Prayers going out to fellow boaters in loto

[RiverDave]

I'm just pointing out the obvious double standard that's in play. It's an incredible miracle the passengers survived. Maybe someone has to be killed before the conversation discusses the actual facts of an incident.

Boat accident on Sunday

I saw this on FB...... Does anyone know anything about boat accident at buckskin today after the bend at about 4pm. A white and yellow boat ran ashore and ran over a little girl playing on the beach. Lots of people were helping them, but we didn’t see or hear a life flight helicopter. Does...

www.riverdavesplace.com

You said in another post you aren't shy about saying "Let me out" if the situation is unsafe. I take that to mean you agree with my criticism of the passengers that knew without a doubt the driver was endangering everyone in the boat but apparently didn't try to stop it.

I don't claim any special place to pontificate about other people's behavior. I have, however, seen firsthand the irresponsible actions of others that produced dead bodies. When you're looking at a couple of people who are no longer breathing and their open eyes are already turning the cloudy grey of the dead, it tends to leave an impression that stays with you.

Well there ya go extrapolating again..

I wasn’t there and I don’t know what the passengers were experiencing or not?

I can only say if I feel unsafe I say let me out.. ill
Figure out a way home in my own.


That’s all I was saying

 

[RiverDave]

Damn.. He launched that thing, that drone video, gives it a very impressive perspective.


yikes....this isn't going help.

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You do realize these big CC’s usually have full
Fledged bars in the back of them..

When I goto loto for the shoot out we will
Load a ton of handles / mixers / and probably 3-4 30 packs for the weekend. The new ones have fridges / cold plates / ice chests with cold
Plates etc..

As far as this deal I don’t believe in driving fast at night.. the boat I will be on has giant screens with charts, it even has flir.. I still wouldn’t drive faster than I can see. The odds are extremely high that I most likely won’t be driving it at night.. whoever is driving it we r going slow or I’ll take an Uber home.. lol I don’t make a big deal about it or make a scene.. just drop me off right there I’m good.

I don’t give a shit I have had a ton of friends die in Parker at night over the years, I’m not going out like that.

I personally can give a shit if the captain is drunk or not so long as he’s safe. If he wants to gamble with Johnny law that’s on him. I personally don’t do it because I don’t want to deal with Johnny law.

Pretty obvious from the outcome here the operation wasn’t “safe.”

RD

 

[RiverDave]

If the guy was in a $50k boat and people here didn’t know him, you’d get the typical RDP hyperbole saying he should be dead, or how they would kill him if they were one of the ones affected.

Funny how the softballs get lobbed when it’s an expensive boat and/or the operator is someone people know, or are a degree or two of separation from.

This happened in havasu last weekend. I guess there was a ton of expensive fishing gear in the boat that was all stolen the following morning before the owner got back..

No soap boxes that I saw.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

This happened in havasu last weekend. I guess there was a ton of expensive fishing gear in the boat that was all stolen the following morning before the owner got back..

No soap boxes that I saw.

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I bet there was a lost Mona Lisa and the Channel Croc in there too

No one hurt that anyone knows of, no one around that anyone knows of, No obvious cause, no mention that alcohol was a factor and it didn’t make news.

Many people seem to be in agreement with the observation there are 2 levels of armchair justice here. Random people and people in RDP circles. If you can’t see it, we are telling you it exists.

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

How do you know He didn't just have 2 drinks or none? Was anyone on here there to confirm that?

They didn't use a breathalyzer . So how would they confirm it at the scene that he was in fact intoxicated?

You guys are ready to hang him but toxicology reports have not even been released. I don't know if he was drinking or not either. So jumping to conclusions is not warranted. Hopefully everyone will be OK. Lots of members here are friends with the occupants and there kids, family and friends are reading this.

Vehicle accidents where there is injury toxicology screen is done. Most times on roadside its a breathalyzer but in cases of serious injury the investigating agency will get a judge to sign a warrant to have department certified phlebotomist do a blood draw

 

[hallett21]

Vehicle accidents where there is injury toxicology screen is done. Most times on roadside its a breathalyzer but in cases of serious injury the investigating agency will get a judge to sign a warrant to have department certified phlebotomist do a blood draw

I know timing is everything but how do you argue against that he started drinking after he crashed?

“Your honor I was in shock and just downed a bottle of rum to cope with the stress”.

Obviously bar footage, testimonies from passengers etc could argue that. But if you don’t have proof it sure seems like you can hit a gray area.

Edit:

I imagine EMS response time was 10-30 mins

 

[The Prisoner]

I bet there was a lost Mona Lisa and the Channel Croc in there too

No one hurt that anyone knows of, no one around that anyone knows of, No obvious cause, no mention that alcohol was a factor and it didn’t make news.

Many people seem to be in agreement with the observation there are 2 levels of armchair justice here. Random people and people in RDP circles. If you can’t see it, we are telling you it exists.

Haha. That alligator story disappeared as fast as that guy’s fish gear.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Haha. That alligator story disappeared as fast as that guy’s fish gear.

CUZ IT WAS A BEAVER LMAO

 

[Singleton]

I know timing is everything but how do you argue against that he started drinking after he crashed?

“Your honor I was in shock and just downed a bottle of rum to cope with the stress”.

Obviously bar footage, testimonies from passengers etc could argue that. But if you don’t have proof it sure seems like you can hit a gray area.

Edit:

I imagine EMS response time was 10-30 mins

I know someone who did that In college.
Got into an accident, pulled a 40 out of the groceries and started drinking. cops show up and over time his BAC was going up and not down. His dad hired a big gun lawyer and got him off. For the next 2 years until I graduated, I was his ride, since his dad took the car away.

 

[LuauLounge]

Can you define “geriatric” please?

I’m getting old and I’d like to know

Me too.

If you can spell it correctly, you're there

 

[Member: 71]

You do realize these big CC’s usually have full
Fledged bars in the back of them..

When I goto loto for the shoot out we will
Load a ton of handles / mixers / and probably 3-4 30 packs for the weekend. The new ones have fridges / cold plates / ice chests with cold
Plates etc..

As far as this deal I don’t believe in driving fast at night.. the boat I will be on has giant screens with charts, it even has flir.. I still wouldn’t drive faster than I can see. The odds are extremely high that I most likely won’t be driving it at night.. whoever is driving it we r going slow or I’ll take an Uber home.. lol I don’t make a big deal about it or make a scene.. just drop me off right there I’m good.

I don’t give a shit I have had a ton of friends die in Parker at night over the years, I’m not going out like that.

I personally can give a shit if the captain is drunk or not so long as he’s safe. If he wants to gamble with Johnny law that’s on him. I personally don’t do it because I don’t want to deal with Johnny law.

Pretty obvious from the outcome here the operation wasn’t “safe.”

RD

Yes, I'm not that poor. Very familiar with the layout on a Nor-Tech, been fortunate to ride in 2 or 3 of them in Miami.

As someone else mentioned, Missouri cops are going rake this guy over the coals. Different type of breed out there.
Everything that seems "normal" = Load a ton of handles / mixers / and probably 3-4 30 packs for the weekend..... is going to work against the driver... Big Time.

Regardless, slightly buzzed, sober, this guy was hauling ass, imagine he'd hit a pontoon with family out on the lake leaving dinner? This thread would have 100k views and 100k comments by now.

In the end, not my deal, glad all made it out alive. One thing, this thread does make me think twice on who's behind the wheel while I'm on-board.

 

[4Waters]

CUZ IT WAS A BEAVER LMAO

Funny looking beaver

 

[Outdrive1]

I know timing is everything but how do you argue against that he started drinking after he crashed?

“Your honor I was in shock and just downed a bottle of rum to cope with the stress”.

Obviously bar footage, testimonies from passengers etc could argue that. But if you don’t have proof it sure seems like you can hit a gray area.

Edit:

I imagine EMS response time was 10-30 mins

They probably get enough witnesses, waitresses, bar tenders, footage etc of him drinking, to prove he was drinking, if that’s his defense. Plus with the boat being upside down and him needing skin grafts, I doubt he can prove that he got a bottle out of the boat and drank it

 

[Joker]

You do realize these big CC’s usually have full
Fledged bars in the back of them..

When I goto loto for the shoot out we will
Load a ton of handles / mixers / and probably 3-4 30 packs for the weekend. The new ones have fridges / cold plates / ice chests with cold
Plates etc..

As far as this deal I don’t believe in driving fast at night.. the boat I will be on has giant screens with charts, it even has flir.. I still wouldn’t drive faster than I can see. The odds are extremely high that I most likely won’t be driving it at night.. whoever is driving it we r going slow or I’ll take an Uber home.. lol I don’t make a big deal about it or make a scene.. just drop me off right there I’m good.

I don’t give a shit I have had a ton of friends die in Parker at night over the years, I’m not going out like that.

I personally can give a shit if the captain is drunk or not so long as he’s safe. If he wants to gamble with Johnny law that’s on him. I personally don’t do it because I don’t want to deal with Johnny law.

Pretty obvious from the outcome here the operation wasn’t “safe.”

RD

I’ve never been to that lake but where’s the driver gonna drop you off? It seems as if you have 2 choices, drown or get thrown out after impact.

 

[clarence]

Do we know the operator didn't have a medical issue or the boat didn't suffer a mechanical failure?

Because that'd be a little embarrassing.

 

[RiverDave]

I bet there was a lost Mona Lisa and the Channel Croc in there too

No one hurt that anyone knows of, no one around that anyone knows of, No obvious cause, no mention that alcohol was a factor and it didn’t make news.

Many people seem to be in agreement with the observation there are 2 levels of armchair justice here. Random people and people in RDP circles. If you can’t see it, we are telling you it exists.

How are any of these peoplein “rdp circles”.. because rrrr says so? Lol because you?

 

[rrrr]

Do we know the operator didn't have a medical issue or the boat didn't suffer a mechanical failure?

Because that'd be a little embarrassing.

Physics allow that there could have been a gravitational wave which caused the boat to alter course and strike land. I'll consider your suggestion along with mine.

 

[Spudsbud]

Is it that big a deal for the Operator of any boat, to stay sober ?

 

[clarence]

Physics allow that there could have been a gravitational wave which caused the boat to alter course and strike land. I'll consider your suggestion along with mine.

The odds certainly favor the operator driving too fast for conditions (under the influence or not), sure.

But why suggest anything? Why not just wait a couple days until we know?

 

[MR HARLEY]

 

[rrrr]

The odds certainly favor the operator driving too fast for conditions (under the influence or not), sure.

But why suggest anything? Why not just wait a couple days until we know?

I'm turning into a cynical old bastard.

 

[hallett21]

How are any of these peoplein “rdp circles”.. because rrrr says so? Lol because you?

Well I can speak from experience on pulling people out of the drink with pirate’s buckets, beers and cocktail cups floating around the wreckage. They were friends of members and it all went under the rug. Which no harm no foul since they only hurt themselves.

But you can’t deny the “circles”.

It’s really not an RDP issue. It’s the fact that members have friends on here so they come out swinging to defend their buddies. Which is normal.

Put it this way, if a “member” strapped a rocket to their back to see space and killed themselves 30 people would say how dare you talk ill of Mike. He was an incredible father, businessman, philanthropist etc.

But when the guy who trolled the flat earthers built a rocket and rode it straight to the ground everyone says “what a dumbass”. And laughs at him.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

How are any of these peoplein “rdp circles”.. because rrrr says so? Lol because you?

Look at the people liking the posts that agree.

People protect their friends or people in and around their own network more than random strangers. RDP has cliques. This isn’t even worth arguing about, is it? It is human nature.

For the record I’d rather have the “softball” response mostly shown here than the calls for death, string ups, or whatever else, but especially before all the facts come to light.

Shit happens and sometimes stupid shit happens. Sometimes other people are affected. It sucks but it’s a part of life.

 

[Motoxxxloak]

Is it that big a deal for the Operator of any boat, to stay sober ?

It is extremely hard. I’ve had a strict no drinking rule for myself for many years. Only recently have I opened myself up to having 1-3 for the time I’m on the water. If everyone is drinking heavy, I get FOMO. So I end the day right there. I’ll either stab it in front of kings view and start drinking as heavy as the rest. I’ll take the ticket. Or, I pull it off and we go party at the house or go out.

Only speaking for myself. But again, it gets extremely hard to stay sober when everyone else is having a different level of fun.

 

[hallett21]

Is it that big a deal for the Operator of any boat, to stay sober ?

No, but I hope that anyone who asks that question has always operated a boat with no alcohol in their system

 

[Swain]

I’d say 90 percent of people drink and drive boats. Prof is all over social media. People all talk crap until it’s them getting busted.

 

[Kachina26]

Look at the people liking the posts that agree.

Every once in awhile I’ll like a post and then realize the person with whom I just agreed is a DB in general and I’ll pull my like. I feel better about that behavior now that I know people are looking at the likes.

 

[The Prisoner]

Joe Tacopina is the guy to call when you get in trouble. Probably 2k an hour though.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Every once in awhile I’ll like a post and then realize the person with whom I just agreed is a DB in general and I’ll pull my like. I feel better about that behavior now that I know people are looking at the likes.

Do you ever pull them when some DB also likes a post you like?

 

[Wizard29]

Is it that big a deal for the Operator of any boat, to stay sober ?

Apparently it is impossible or close to impossible for some people. I just don't get it?

 

[hallett21]

Apparently it is impossible or close to impossible for some people. I just don't get it?

Have you ever operated a boat under the influence?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Have you ever operated a boat under the influence?

No he’s never made a single mistake in his entire life. That’s why he’s an RDP member.

 

[Wizard29]

Have you ever operated a boat under the influence?

Nope. Don't drink. Never have.
Do I pass your test for being qualified to judge on this topic now?

 

[Wizard29]

No he’s never made a single mistake in his entire life. That’s why he’s an RDP member.

Oh, I've made mistakes. Just not one as dumb as boating drunk when there's a bombardment of "don't boat drunk" data and consequences out there.

I've never been fired from a volunteer job either.

 

[H20 Toie]

Yes, I'm not that poor. Very familiar with the layout on a Nor-Tech, been fortunate to ride in 2 or 3 of them in Miami.

As someone else mentioned, Missouri cops are going rake this guy over the coals. Different type of breed out there.
Everything that seems "normal" = Load a ton of handles / mixers / and probably 3-4 30 packs for the weekend..... is going to work against the driver... Big Time.

Regardless, slightly buzzed, sober, this guy was hauling ass, imagine he'd hit a pontoon with family out on the lake leaving dinner? This thread would have 100k views and 100k comments by now.

In the end, not my deal, glad all made it out alive. One thing, this thread does make me think twice on who's behind the wheel while I'm on-board.

Not necessarily

Family reacts to charges dropped in deadly Lake of the Ozarks boat crash

CAMDEN COUNTY, Mo. — A Missouri family is seeking justice after their sister was killed in a boat crash caused by a drunk boater at the Lake of the Ozarks. The crash killed 42-year-old Marie Steink…

www.ozarksfirst.com

 

[RiverDave]

Well I can speak from experience on pulling people out of the drink with pirate’s buckets, beers and cocktail cups floating around the wreckage. They were friends of members and it all went under the rug. Which no harm no foul since they only hurt themselves.

But you can’t deny the “circles”.

It’s really not an RDP issue. It’s the fact that members have friends on here so they come out swinging to defend their buddies. Which is normal.

Put it this way, if a “member” strapped a rocket to their back to see space and killed themselves 30 people would say how dare you talk ill of Mike. He was an incredible father, businessman, philanthropist etc.

But when the guy who trolled the flat earthers built a rocket and rode it straight to the ground everyone says “what a dumbass”. And laughs at him.

Firdt I’m hearing of this.. maybe not in my circle? Lol

Look at the people liking the posts that agree.

People protect their friends or people in and around their own network more than random strangers. RDP has cliques. This isn’t even worth arguing about, is it? It is human nature.

For the record I’d rather have the “softball” response mostly shown here than the calls for death, string ups, or whatever else, but especially before all the facts come to light.

Shit happens and sometimes stupid shit happens. Sometimes other people are affected. It sucks but it’s a part of life.

While I have met at least two of the people in this boat.. I don’t “know” them.. whose circles we talking about here? My circle or someone else’s?

 

[RiverDave]

Have you ever operated a boat under the influence?

Spent most of my twenties doing it at a ridiculous level.. ironically the one time I got caught the cop actually fabricated evidence to get the oui.. lol.

I don’t do it anymore.. I’m running a boat that isn’t mine so it isn’t even an option to drink until it’s back on the dock. If I was running my own I wait till the end of the day and have one or two on the way to the launch ramp..

RD

 

[hallett21]

Nope. Don't drink. Never have.
Do I pass your test for being qualified to judge on this topic now?

Lol it’s a legitimate question. I’m not trying to judge anyone one way or the other.

It’s my experience that there are a few camps. Those who drink, those who chose sobriety, those who couldn’t handle drinking and push sobriety on everyone and then everything in between.

But there are a lot of 80’s and 90’s hypocrites who don’t drink and boat but were tearing it up in the day.

They call it a different time. And sure it was…. Because they were younger lol.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Lol it’s a legitimate question. I’m not trying to judge anyone one way or the other.

It’s my experience that there are a few camps. Those who drink, those who chose sobriety, those who couldn’t handle drinking and push sobriety on everyone and then everything in between.

But there are a lot of 80’s and 90’s hypocrites who don’t drink and boat but we’re tearing it up in the day.

They call it a different time. And sure it was…. Because they were younger lol.

The RDP way

 

[hallett21]

Firdt I’m hearing of this.. maybe not in my circle? Lol



While I have met at least two of the people in this boat.. I don’t “know” them.. whose circles we talking about here? My circle or someone else’s?

I can resend the Pms or post the thread lol.

Spent most of my twenties doing it at a ridiculous level.. ironically the one time I got caught the cop actually fabricated evidence to get the oui.. lol.

I don’t do it anymore.. I’m running a boat that isn’t mine so it isn’t even an option to drink until it’s back on the dock. If I was running my own I wait till the end of the day and have one or two on the way to the launch ramp..

RD

I’m not trying to jam anyone up. I’ve never had a problem with a DUI checkpoint.

 

[hallett21]

The RDP way

No one can argue it. They’ll try im
Sure. Unless you don’t drink, then no worries. You walk the walk.

 

[Wizard29]

Lol it’s a legitimate question. I’m not trying to judge anyone one way or the other.

It’s my experience that there are a few camps. Those who drink, those who chose sobriety, those who couldn’t handle drinking and push sobriety on everyone and then everything in between.

But there are a lot of 80’s and 90’s hypocrites who don’t drink and boat but we’re tearing it up in the day.

They call it a different time. And sure it was…. Because they were younger lol.

Fair enough. I'm just messing with you on my judging poke because what you ask is a fair question. People should practice what they preach and all too often they don't.

I don't care if people around me drink (even my wife drinks), but I just don't get why some people have the incessant need to do so when they know they are going to have to operate a vehicle or boat. Why risk the arrest, fines, damage to equipment and (most important) injury to others? I've never understood that concept. Just doesn't seem worth it to me.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Fair enough. I'm just messing with you on my judging poke because what you ask is a fair question. People should practice what they preach and all too often they don't.

I don't care if people around me drink (even my wife drinks), but I just don't get why some people have the incessant need to do so when they know they are going to have to operate a vehicle or boat. Why risk the arrest, fines, damage to equipment and (most important) injury to others? I've never understood that concept. Just doesn't seem worth it to me.

Some people know their limitations. Some don’t.

 

[Kachina26]

Do you ever pull them when some DB also likes a post you like?

No, I figure even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

 

[Outdrive1]

Do you ever pull them when some DB also likes a post you like?

Daytona Babe?

 

[Wizard29]

Some people know their limitations. Some don’t.

True. Unfortunate what some people choose to put themselves and others through because of that though...

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Some people know their limitations. Some don’t.

Which is exactly why I quit, long ago. I’m like Wizard, my wife drinks, my friends (both of em) drink. He’ll, my trophy room has a gigantic bar in it with 12 stools, that I built. It’s just something I decided I’m not good at doing responsibly.

Fast boats, any boats, cars and airplanes all of em. They require constant and complete concentration to safely operate.

And LOF, stop making sense and good arguments, I’m having a hard time disliking you

 

[riverroyal]

I cant wait for winter. So much banter.

Anyone got their speed thing yet ?

 

[MR HARLEY]

Y'all crazy

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I cant wait for winter. So much banter.

Anyone got their speed thing yet ?

It’s winter all the time in the minds of many members .