Prayers going out to fellow boaters in loto

[Orange Juice]

^^^
Only person will be blamed/charged in this scenario is the driver. By maritime law, the captain/operator of a vessel is responsible for his/her passengers [ most are ignorant or what could happen while going fast in a boat ] safety, trusted their operator that he's competent. In the past, captains had a few drinks while operating their slow poke cruisers/yachts. I've been on Jimmy Dorsey's fantail yacht with a bar with taps for hard liquor bottles known to man. Now a days, the smallest amount of alcohol is a recipe to be charged and insurance waived by policy carrier on land and water.

Liability of medical will be on the owner of the boat?

 

[n2otoofast4u]

I wonder if Alex Pratt is related to Ron Pratt?

I assumed that to be Alex Pratt of GBV?

 

[Orange Juice]

I wonder if Alex Pratt is related to Ron Pratt?

I know he has a brother that flys.

 

[Kachina26]

Hopefully Mr. Ramirez is loaded to pay out all these people for their suffering. Prolly should do some jail time as well. 6 months should it. Maybe he will come back a different asshole lol

Gonna print that one out and keep it in a Mason jar in the freezer for later.

 

[Singleton]

Liability of medical will be on the owner of the boat?

Yes, after the lawsuits are filed by each persons injured medical insurance provider

 

[dread Pirate]

I wonder if Alex Pratt is related to Ron Pratt?

Is this the same Alex Pratt of Good Boy Vodka and the race team?

 

[boatpi]

Just google Adam rameriz he was arrested for DUI big-time he’s got problems he was the driver

 

[H20 Toie]

Is this the same Alex Pratt of Good Boy Vodka and the race team?

Yes

 

[HST4ME]

So it's bad boy vodka? ........ too soon?

 

[sirbob]

I just saw some pictures yesterday from the captains Instagram of the dinner they were coming from. Two very good friends were at the table in that picture and chose to take a different way home than in his boat.

Thank heavens!

 

[rivrrts429]

“Hello, State Farm…. My roof got damaged…by a boat.”

What are you wearing, khaki’s?

 

[Todd Mohr]

Hey, your roof scratched my boat

 

[El Rojo]

The old timers that taught me the ways of the river would always say not to go out at night on the water unless there was a full moon, not sure that advice pertains here, but the idea was it gave you some light to see what was in front of you....

 

[Orange Juice]

The old timers that taught me the ways of the river would always say not to go out at night on the water unless there was a full moon, not sure that advice pertains here, but the idea was it gave you some light to see what was in front of you....

Depth perception is difficult after a few beers at night.

I’ve boated a lot at night, but I built up to it, and only on two lakes I know very well , and can locate buoys, with only star lights. And monitor water levels for reefs. I still don’t go much more that planning speed( 15-20mph), and it’s always heading back to the boat ramp.

 

[RiverDave]

Then let's be honest about it. That expensive boat with four large outboards belongs to someone known to the performance boaters on this forum, as were some of the passengers. There are some replies in this thread offering best wishes for the injured along with those condemning the outrageous behavior of the driver, impaired by alcohol, running a boat full of people at obviously high speed onto a rocky shore and hitting a house.

I get the feeling from this there might be an effort to minimize the criminal behavior of the driver by the posts with the flavor of "I hope everyone will be OK, at least no one was killed."

I don't live in the world of expensive fast boats, and know nothing about them. I haven't ever commented much on the deaths of those that participate, only offering my sympathies.

In this case, perhaps I was remiss in not reacting more strongly to the idiocy of the driver and condemning him for his actions. Those in the boat also bear some responsibility for what happened. Social pressure outweighed their self preservation instincts, and if a couple of them, who have experience and knew fully well the dangers, had spoken up during the ride, the crash almost certainly would not have occurred.

So there ya go. I expect to be criticized for jumping to conclusions and claiming facts without any evidence. That's OK with me. I don't need to be an expert or know what was going on in the boat when it happened to state the obvious, the driver is a fool and it's fortunate there weren't dead people strewn across that nicely manicured lawn.

My reply to @460 2.0 wasn't meant to chastise his comment, it was because I absolutely agreed with it.

So saying I hope everyone is ok and prayers for a speedy recovery is minimizing the situation?

So if ya don’t immediately jump on the soap box and immediately demand this guy get strung up by his nuts.. and just wish the passengers and everyone else involved a speedy recovery some how makes that person complicit..

That is a crazy extrapolation on any front.

RD

 

[RiverDave]

If the guy was in a $50k boat and people here didn’t know him, you’d get the typical RDP hyperbole saying he should be dead, or how they would kill him if they were one of the ones affected.

Funny how the softballs get lobbed when it’s an expensive boat and/or the operator is someone people know, or are a degree or two of separation from.

Bullshit.. also a crazy extrapolation.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Bullshit.. also a crazy extrapolation.

Sorry… but it’s not.

We could do without the hyperbole from a soapbox after most incidents.

 

[Singleton]

Bullshit.. also a crazy extrapolation.

RD, I don’t agree with @LargeOrangeFont often, but he is accurate.
If no one knew who it was the comments would not be so soft towards the driver. The majority would be calling him out. Since some folks know who, the comments are not as harsh as normal. The clicks on RDP are strong and you can tell some folks are limiting what they post to avoid upsetting the clicks.

 

[hallett21]

Sorry… but it’s not.

We could do without the hyperbole from a soapbox after most incidents.

RD, I don’t agree with @LargeOrangeFont often, but he is accurate.
If no one knew who it was the comments would not be so soft towards the driver. The majority would be calling him out. Since some folks know who, the comments are not as harsh as normal. The clicks on RDP are strong and you can tell some folks are limiting what they post to avoid upsetting the clicks.

Yep

 

[DILLIGAF]

Always been that way and always will be that way

 

[PRIMO]

Regardless of which side of the Fence your on as far as who gets special treatment on the Boards,
Missouri State Troopers will investigate and file affadavits ( Bar Taps / Video Surveillance ) etc.....
Big City Boy from the OC / Havasu Regular !
They are Going to Castrate the Driver......

 

[Deltarat]

I assumed that to be Alex Pratt of GBV?

correct

 

[bilz]

I think when people are known to RDP members, it does get toned down. Hopefully for the sake of the injured. Let the people heal in peace. The rest will play out, regardless of any opinions here.

 

[lakemadness]

Sorry… but it’s not.

We could do without the hyperbole from a soapbox after most incidents.

100%

 

[RandyH]

Nice Location. Needs a lighthouse.

453 Big Bear Dr, Lake Ozark, MO 65049 | Zillow

453 Big Bear Dr, Lake Ozark MO, is a Single Family home that contains 2630 sq ft and was built in 2001.It contains 3 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $1,703,400, which has increased by $27,648 in the last 30 days.The Rent Zestimate for this Single Family is...

www.zillow.com

 

[attitude]

Nice Location. Needs a lighthouse.

453 Big Bear Dr, Lake Ozark, MO 65049 | Zillow

453 Big Bear Dr, Lake Ozark MO, is a Single Family home that contains 2630 sq ft and was built in 2001.It contains 3 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $1,703,400, which has increased by $27,648 in the last 30 days.The Rent Zestimate for this Single Family is...

www.zillow.com

That’s a bad ass property.

 

[coolchange]

First off that house is off the hook. You could buy that place or a big house in Northridge in the San Fernando Valley. Looking at the aerial of the property and the house, that boat had some hang time! Holy shit.

 

[Lotoguy]

Regardless of which side of the Fence your on as far as who gets special treatment on the Boards,
Missouri State Troopers will investigate and file affadavits ( Bar Taps / Video Surveillance ) etc.....
Big City Boy from the OC / Havasu Regular !
They are Going to Castrate the Driver......

I wouldn't bet on it.

Crime Revealed By Tragedy: Boater Sentenced For BWI In Fatal Crash, But Family Is Outraged

CAMDEN COUNTY, Mo. — Shouts of outrage rang through the courtroom at the sentencing of John Dallas Bennett on Tuesday, May 23. But in this case, prosecutors and the judge

www.lakeexpo.com

 

[RiverDave]

RD, I don’t agree with @LargeOrangeFont often, but he is accurate.
If no one knew who it was the comments would not be so soft towards the driver. The majority would be calling him out. Since some folks know who, the comments are not as harsh as normal. The clicks on RDP are strong and you can tell some folks are limiting what they post to avoid upsetting the clicks.

I don’t think by saying prayers for those involved it’s somehow being soft or overtly limiting.. honestly it’s about the only appropriate comment in these situations.

RD

 

[RiverDave]

Sorry… but it’s not.

We could do without the hyperbole from a soapbox after most incidents.

That isn’t what ya wrote.. that part I’d agree with. You wrote that the type of boat affects the outcome of the thread.

 

[Bpracing1127]

I don’t think by saying prayers for those involved it’s somehow being soft or overtly limiting.. honestly it’s about the only appropriate comment in these situations.

RD

Yes it is the only appropriate comment. However the RDP way is to lynch the driver for injuring his passengers. Being that this is someone some people know. They are asking for forgiveness vs lynching.

To LOF point, 100000% wouldn’t happen if knowing knew who this was.

I wish all a speedy recovery including the driver and good health. From that point on the emotional road will take place with insurance co, lawsuits, and criminal proceedings. Recovery from the wounds is minor compared to the entire journey

 

[Singleton]

I don’t think by saying prayers for those involved it’s somehow being soft or overtly limiting.. honestly it’s about the only appropriate comment in these situations.

RD

That is where we disagree.
Prayers for those hurt, we are on the same page.

However, based on what I read. The operator ‘captain of the vessel’ was 100% irresponsible and deserves to be held accountable for putting 7 lives at risk! I have zero sympathy for drunk drivers/operators!

My only hope is no one passes due to complications from a 100% avoidable accident!

 

[RiverDave]

That is where we disagree.
Prayers for those hurt, we are on the same page.

However, based on what I read. The operator ‘captain of the vessel’ was 100% irresponsible and deserves to be held accountable for putting 7 lives at risk! I have zero sympathy for drunk drivers/operators!

My only hope is no one passes due to complications from a 100% avoidable accident!

100% avoidable by slowing down. I’m not gonna quarter back the guy he made his choices and he’s gonna live with them, and the future is dim. I guess the only upside is nobody was killed.

speaking only for myself I drove drive faster at night than I’m prepared to hit something.. usually dragging white wash or slowest maintainable plane for me. If I’m in a boat and I’m uncomfortable for whatever reason I’m not shy about “let me out”.

RD

 

[Socalx09]

So sad. Prayers for all involved.

 

[RiverDave]

Yes it is the only appropriate comment. However the RDP way is to lynch the driver for injuring his passengers. Being that this is someone some people know. They are asking for forgiveness vs lynching.

To LOF point, 100000% wouldn’t happen if knowing knew who this was.

I wish all a speedy recovery including the driver and good health. From that point on the emotional road will take place with insurance co, lawsuits, and criminal proceedings. Recovery from the wounds is minor compared to the entire journey

Not sure I see the need for the soapbox. the guy is screwed.. as soon as he got bui / oui etc his insurance is gonna deny the claim. He’s responsible for the boat the house everyone’s injuries (depending on if they want him to be I suppose).. none of this is gonna be covered by insurance. He’s gonna goto jail and basically start life over in a seriously negative financial and mental set….

Had he been going 15-20 mph instead of whatever he was doing.. (which I’m guessing was stupid fast). we wouldn’t even have heard about it.

I get the modern mindset of drinking is the devil.. personally I could care less if people drink so long as they do it safely.

 

[Singleton]

100% avoidable by slowing down.

BS. 100% avoidable by NOT drinking then operating a vessel!
Is it that simple!

As stated, I have ZERO sympathy for intoxicated drivers/operators.

Ok to have 1 maybe 2 drinks while out on the boat all day, but know your limits!

Driver is facing 8 counts of DUI w/injury.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

I wouldn't bet on it.

Crime Revealed By Tragedy: Boater Sentenced For BWI In Fatal Crash, But Family Is Outraged

CAMDEN COUNTY, Mo. — Shouts of outrage rang through the courtroom at the sentencing of John Dallas Bennett on Tuesday, May 23. But in this case, prosecutors and the judge

www.lakeexpo.com

Well there you go. That's pretty crazy.

 

[Icky]

Not sure I see the need for the soapbox. the guy is screwed.. as soon as he got bui / oui etc his insurance is gonna deny the claim.

Interesting, I never knew that.

 

[NicPaus]

How do you know He didn't just have 2 drinks or none? Was anyone on here there to confirm that?

They didn't use a breathalyzer . So how would they confirm it at the scene that he was in fact intoxicated?

You guys are ready to hang him but toxicology reports have not even been released. I don't know if he was drinking or not either. So jumping to conclusions is not warranted. Hopefully everyone will be OK. Lots of members here are friends with the occupants and there kids, family and friends are reading this.

 

[RiverDave]

BS. 100% avoidable by NOT drinking then operating a vessel!
Is it that simple!

As stated, I have ZERO sympathy for intoxicated drivers/operators.

Ok to have 1 maybe 2 drinks while out on the boat all day, but know your limits!

Driver is facing 8 counts of DUI w/injury.

Had he been going 5-10 mph what would we be talking about?

 

[RiverDave]

Interesting, I never knew that.

Read your policy..

 

[NicPaus]

Interesting, I never knew that.

I know in a DUI you are covered by insurance. Have not seen any fine print in my boat insurance saying you would not be covered with a oui.

 

[RiverDave]

I know in a DUI you are covered by insurance. Have not seen any fine print in my boat insurance saying you would not be covered with a oui.

That depends on your policy. It’s my understanding most policies nowadays deny if you are DUI / OUI.

We can ask some of the insurance guys on the board

 

[Icky]

Read your policy..

That's my wife's job

 

[Todd Mohr]

Based on the info so far, it looks like speed was much more a factor than intoxication. I'm not condoning being intoxicated, but the decision to boat at that speed at night was possibly the worst decision. There was not a full moon last weekend, I was out past dark on Saturday and visibility was tough. No way I would've been going fast under those conditions. The boat that went up on the shore at Havasu was most likely the same issue, too fast for conditions.

 

[Lotoguy]

TikTok - Make Your Day

Here's a drone video of the boat. Notice in the end it shows where the driver ended up.

 

[rrrr]

So saying I hope everyone is ok and prayers for a speedy recovery is minimizing the situation?

So if ya don’t immediately jump on the soap box and immediately demand this guy get strung up by his nuts.. and just wish the passengers and everyone else involved a speedy recovery some how makes that person complicit..

That is a crazy extrapolation on any front.

RD

I'm just pointing out the obvious double standard that's in play. It's an incredible miracle the passengers survived. Maybe someone has to be killed before the conversation discusses the actual facts of an incident.

Boat accident on Sunday

I saw this on FB...... Does anyone know anything about boat accident at buckskin today after the bend at about 4pm. A white and yellow boat ran ashore and ran over a little girl playing on the beach. Lots of people were helping them, but we didn’t see or hear a life flight helicopter. Does...

www.riverdavesplace.com

You said in another post you aren't shy about saying "Let me out" if the situation is unsafe. I take that to mean you agree with my criticism of the passengers that knew without a doubt the driver was endangering everyone in the boat but apparently didn't try to stop it.

I don't claim any special place to pontificate about other people's behavior. I have, however, seen firsthand the irresponsible actions of others that produced dead bodies. When you're looking at a couple of people who are no longer breathing and their open eyes are already turning the cloudy grey of the dead, it tends to leave an impression that stays with you.

 

[Member: 71]

TikTok - Make Your Day

Here's a drone video of the boat. Notice in the end it shows where the driver ended up.

Damn.. He launched that thing, that drone video, gives it a very impressive perspective.


yikes....this isn't going help.

 

[H20 Toie]

As some of you might be aware
I have been known to partake in a beer ( or 10)

Actually you can ask Dave he has ridden on my boat few times
On key west trip or loto
I did not drink while driving
Now the second it was parked it was on like donkey con
It’s not that hard
Passengers are more important than drinking

( oh shit did I say that )

I will admit that years ago that wasn’t the case but I also wasn’t driving a boat that could do 100+

I just hope everyone recovers
Stuff happens
Not everyone makes good decisions every day of their life

Again praying for all of them

 

[draggin904]

Can you define “geriatric” please?

I’m getting old and I’d like to know

Me too.