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Having been passenger in high speed boat accident I can assure you that the drivers problems are just beginning. The accident that I was involved in the driver was sober and no charges were filed. If the driver was in fact intoxicated he has to deal with the legal system and that’s just the beginning of his problems. He is going to get sued by every passenger on the boat. He’s going to have to retain a lawyer for the foreseeable future. He might be home eating dinner but his nightmare is only just beginning. In the immortal words of Joe Exotic ~

“I Am Never Gonna Financially Recover From This”​

This exact scenario happened to one of my buddies. After all of the insurance was exhausted the hurt passengers went for criminal charges even though the DA dropped the charges. He’s still paying for the lawsuits and he will for the next 10+ years. He blew a .08 which is like three beers but over the limit is over the limit. There is no excuse when you’re the one behind the wheel.
 

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That looks like the 39 sport (because of the dive door) capable of doing almost 90 with a set of 450s. I would say that boat was probably around a 70 mph boat. Depending on options they weigh 12000 poundish. They are built to withstand offshore boating so they have a very strong hull as evidenced by the fact that thing hit that house while being airborne maybe 3 feet. When I was there I don't remember building any without GPS systems and I built a number of them with FLIR. Judging by the fact that these were 300's I'm assuming this was more of a "budget" build so they probably didn't have a FLIR system.
That seems to be a very strong hull design. For 12,000lbs to hit the rocks and not turn to powder is impressive...for it to hit with enough energy to carry it 40+ feet and 20 up to the house, thing is built really stout.
 

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A bit of history, the land that house sits on is only a few feet above the lake and very flat. In 1983 & 84 (before the house was built) there were Unlimited Hydroplane races at LOTO, that is where the cranes were that lifted the boats off the trailers and set them in the water.
 

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Too much trust the nav at night. Your eyes won't missguide you. If you can't see where you are,or where you're going. You are going too fast.

All things I learned the ez way 50 years ago.
Too many lights on too I bet as well


Everyone wants too many lights that impede night vision

Transom lights
Whips
Light bars
Speaker lights
Cup holder lights
Interior lights
20” screens
Ect..

None of those hep night vision
 

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Home owner has serious concern and response thru his Insurance for that crane to show up Monday am. Possibly it was Sunday.
 

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You guys are brutal. Boating is fun and can be dangerous. Most people here chase that magical 100mph performance mark - kinda dangerous itself. Most people drink on the water, it's almost a tradition, it doesn't mean anyone was "hammered" or incapable. Nightime makes everything dicey when there is a shoreline near. I had a friend involved in something similar in LHC years ago. Have some sympathy, help with the boat, and learn from your experience. If you want to be REALLY safe, stay at home.
Really? Most people here drink while boating and push for 100 MPH?

Should we engage in conversation about the incident and its implications for our personal boating, or just shrug our shoulders and carry on?
 

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Only person will be blamed/charged in this scenario is the driver. By maritime law, the captain/operator of a vessel is responsible for his/her passengers [ most are ignorant or what could happen while going fast in a boat ] safety, trusted their operator that he's competent. In the past, captains had a few drinks while operating their slow poke cruisers/yachts. I've been on Jimmy Dorsey's fantail yacht with a bar with taps for hard liquor bottles known to man. ;) Now a days, the smallest amount of alcohol is a recipe to be charged and insurance waived by policy carrier on land and water.
 

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Only person will be blamed/charged in this scenario is the driver. By maritime law, the captain/operator of a vessel is responsible for his/her passengers [ most are ignorant or what could happen while going fast in a boat ] safety, trusted their operator that he's competent. In the past, captains had a few drinks while operating their slow poke cruisers/yachts. I've been on Jimmy Dorsey's fantail yacht with a bar with taps for hard liquor bottles known to man. ;) Now a days, the smallest amount of alcohol is a recipe to be charged and insurance waived by policy carrier on land and water.
Great post, right over the target. There is a guy on here, can't remember who, called my boat a "White Buffalo". His assessment was due to me stating that I rarely hit triple digits in my boat. First off, I have a responsibility to a disabled son who can't really protect himself in a bad situation, should one arise. Secondly, my wife has a comfort zone of ~85, which I respect.

My problem driving it at 85 is this; it is just past the hop and packing air. The boat is starting to feel good and is getting aired out. If I point it into the wind, it will just accelerate and take off. It will be at high 90's in seconds, with no additional throttle. I get the stare and pull some power. Now it drops to under 85 and it gets into the 70-80 MPH hop. So, back and forth we go.

I normally will drive it at 65, which is slow. Boat feels heavy and sluggish. BUT...

On Havasu and most other lakes, even at 65, I am passing almost ever boat on that lake. Every time I pass, I am putting my family, myself and everyone in the boat I'm overtaking at risk. People in boats being overtaken, are completely unaware of my presence. If they turn into me, It's my fault. having that awareness and acting on it are crucial.

The danger of making a high speed pass literally scares the shit out of me. I think back, every time to all the wrecks and crashes we read about and do everything within my control to mitigate those potential trap doors.

If I'm driving a "White Buffalo" around on Havasu, fine. I'm a safe and responsible White Buffalo.

Now that I'm retired, crowds mean less and I can pick and choose my water. I'll go out early on weekdays and have my fun, alone. Boat collisions are damn serious stuff.

And as you stated, the Captain is at fault, no matter what
 
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Dont mind me, just making a place holder for my popcorn emoji.


Glad everyone is ok
 

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I don't know what that is?

I know the GPS was inactive on her phone when we were out hiking. 🤷‍♂️
 

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Nice app. 👍🏼

No clue why her native apps didn't work. Typical iPhone witchcraft.
 

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Great post, right over the target. There is a guy on here, can't remember who, called my boat a "White Buffalo". His assessment was due to me stating that I rarely hit triple digits in my boat. First off, I have a responsibility to a disabled son who can't really protect himself in a bad situation, should one arise. Secondly, my wife has a comfort zone of ~85, which I respect.

My problem driving it at 85 is this; it is just past the hop and packing air. The boat is starting to feel good and is getting aired out. If I point it into the wind, it will just accelerate and take off. It will be at high 90's in seconds, with no additional throttle. I get the stare and pull some power. Now it drops to under 85 and it gets into the 70-80 MPH hop. So, back and forth we go.

I normally will drive it at 65, which is slow. Boat feels heavy and sluggish. BUT...

On Havasu and most other lakes, even at 65, I am passing almost ever boat on that lake. Every time I pass, I am putting my family, myself and everyone in the boat I'm overtaking at risk. People in boats being overtaken, are completely unaware of my presence. If they turn into me, It's my fault. having that awareness and acting on it are crucial.

The danger of making a high speed pass literally scares the shit out of me. I think back, every time to all the wrecks and crashes we read about and do everything within my control to mitigate those potential trap doors.

If I'm driving a "White Buffalo" around on Havasu, fine. I'm a safe and responsible White Buffalo.

Now that I'm retired, crowds mean less and I can pick and choose my water. I'll go out early on weekdays and have my fun, alone. Boat collisions are damn serious stuff.

And as you stated, the Captain is at fault, no matter what
I never meant to strike a nerve with the “Great white Buffalo” comment. It’s a joke from the movie Hot Tub Time Machine, about finding the most incredible woman that got away.

And I respect how you run your program. But you have to admit most Skaters with your kind of power are running 90+ on Havasu.

The white Buffalo reference lol

 
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I never meant to strike a nerve with the “Great white Buffalo” comment. It’s a joke from the movie Hot Tub Time Machine, about finding the most incredible woman that got away.

And I respect how you run your program. But you have to admit most Skaters with your kind of power are running 90+ on Havasu.
No problem brother. I think it’s funny. And you’re right about the typical speed.

But in their defense, that’s where they just begin to drive right and mine is no exception. 95-100 is where the boat is super happy.
 

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You guys are brutal. Boating is fun and can be dangerous. Most people here chase that magical 100mph performance mark - kinda dangerous itself. Most people drink on the water, it's almost a tradition, it doesn't mean anyone was "hammered" or incapable. Nightime makes everything dicey when there is a shoreline near. I had a friend involved in something similar in LHC years ago. Have some sympathy, help with the boat, and learn from your experience. If you want to be REALLY safe, stay at home.
Yup, Staying in ocean helps save me. Less to contend with, lol... of course there is the occasional tanker in fog.
 

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I never meant to strike a nerve with the “Great white Buffalo” comment. It’s a joke from the movie Hot Tub Time Machine, about finding the most incredible woman that got away.

And I respect how you run your program. But you have to admit most Skaters with your kind of power are running 90+ on Havasu.

The white Buffalo reference lol

Great song too!
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Great post, right over the target. There is a guy on here, can't remember who, called my boat a "White Buffalo". His assessment was due to me stating that I rarely hit triple digits in my boat. First off, I have a responsibility to a disabled son who can't really protect himself in a bad situation, should one arise. Secondly, my wife has a comfort zone of ~85, which I respect.

My problem driving it at 85 is this; it is just past the hop and packing air. The boat is starting to feel good and is getting aired out. If I point it into the wind, it will just accelerate and take off. It will be at high 90's in seconds, with no additional throttle. I get the stare and pull some power. Now it drops to under 85 and it gets into the 70-80 MPH hop. So, back and forth we go.

I normally will drive it at 65, which is slow. Boat feels heavy and sluggish. BUT...

On Havasu and most other lakes, even at 65, I am passing almost ever boat on that lake. Every time I pass, I am putting my family, myself and everyone in the boat I'm overtaking at risk. People in boats being overtaken, are completely unaware of my presence. If they turn into me, It's my fault. having that awareness and acting on it are crucial.

The danger of making a high speed pass literally scares the shit out of me. I think back, every time to all the wrecks and crashes we read about and do everything within my control to mitigate those potential trap doors.

If I'm driving a "White Buffalo" around on Havasu, fine. I'm a safe and responsible White Buffalo.

Now that I'm retired, crowds mean less and I can pick and choose my water. I'll go out early on weekdays and have my fun, alone. Boat collisions are damn serious stuff.

And as you stated, the Captain is at fault, no matter what
Great post ole sport.... loved your graphic description of how your boat handles at speeds having never done that style vessel. And boy is it true about finding the less crowded water now in retirement. Awesome. I see that beast as more of a daddys gonna wake up early mid week and run solo a bit... see you guys for lunch kinda boat.
 

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Or whale
One of those fuckers almost ruined my life years ago

They come out of nowhere and are huge
Thankfully haven't run across them in that way yet lol.... but you and those crazy boats are running 60-80 and I'm a happy 35-45 guy so get to see the spouts way before hellos :p
 

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You guys are brutal. Boating is fun and can be dangerous. Most people here chase that magical 100mph performance mark - kinda dangerous itself. Most people drink on the water, it's almost a tradition, it doesn't mean anyone was "hammered" or incapable. Nightime makes everything dicey when there is a shoreline near. I had a friend involved in something similar in LHC years ago. Have some sympathy, help with the boat, and learn from your experience. If you want to be REALLY safe, stay at home.
Really?
Tell that to the people who were IN THEIR OWN HOUSE when that boat took out a wall and even fucked up the roof. How many times does that happen?
Thank God it was apparently a glancing blow.
Can you imagine the home owners insurance adjuster?
“You’re telling me a boat tore off part of your roof?”
Even without the alcohol factor, doing that speed at night with 8 souls on board is stupid.
The results speak for themselves.
I do hope everyone heals up, no one wants to see people get fucked up while boating, including me.
But I’ll save my prayers and sympathy for sick kids and others.
Frankly, I don’t have enough prayers left to hand out for bad choices.

How no one got killed is a miracle, so there is that good thing.
 

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Really?
Tell that to the people who were IN THEIR OWN HOUSE when that boat took out a wall and even fucked up the roof. How many times does that happen?
Thank God it was apparently a glancing blow.
Can you imagine the home owners insurance adjuster?
“You’re telling me a boat tore off part of your roof?”
Even without the alcohol factor, doing that speed at night with 8 souls on board is stupid.
The results speak for themselves.
I do hope everyone heals up, no one wants to see people get fucked up while boating, including me.
But I’ll save my prayers and sympathy for sick kids and others.
Frankly, I don’t have enough prayers left to hand out for bad choices.

How no one got killed is a miracle, so there is that good thing.
“Hello, State Farm…. My roof got damaged…by a boat.” 😳
 

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Really?
Tell that to the people who were IN THEIR OWN HOUSE when that boat took out a wall and even fucked up the roof. How many times does that happen?
Thank God it was apparently a glancing blow.
Can you imagine the home owners insurance adjuster?
“You’re telling me a boat tore off part of your roof?”
Even without the alcohol factor, doing that speed at night with 8 souls on board is stupid.
The results speak for themselves.
I do hope everyone heals up, no one wants to see people get fucked up while boating, including me.
But I’ll save my prayers and sympathy for sick kids and others.
Frankly, I don’t have enough prayers left to hand out for bad choices.

How no one got killed is a miracle, so there is that good thing.
I mean that poor guy in Parker north of Foxes has had his dock ridden by 5-6 boats over the last 10 years lol.
 

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Too many lights on too I bet as well


Everyone wants too many lights that impede night vision

Transom lights
Whips
Light bars
Speaker lights
Cup holder lights
Interior lights
20” screens
Ect..

None of those hep night vision
In the Army you learn about the importance of protecting your Rhodopsin, AKA Visual Purple. Light destroys it and it's slow to recover. Once established it's amazing how well you can see in the dark.
 

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In the Army you learn about the importance of protecting your Rhodopsin, AKA Visual Purple. Light destroys it and it's slow to recover. Once established it's amazing how well you can see in the dark.
We learned a lot about the eye, Scanning techniques, Light inside the cockpit and exposure to light prior to flight during our night certification phase. I use these techniques on the boat at night. I tape up interior lights on the boat anytime we are out at night. It's amazing how well the Army drilled that stuff into my head.
 

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That dudes roof looks to be a little ways from the boat, and even further from the shoreline.
I’m no engineer but I bet one of the smart guys on here could calculate what sort of energy is required to launch a 12,000 pound boat high enough in the air to rip that gutter and roof edge apart…then end up that far away upside down.
Can you imagine the thousands of tiny details that all had to line up in a row in a matter of seconds for no one to be killed?
It’s truly mind blowing.

Zoom in on the house. That corner is brick and is blown out, it looks like the entire structure is compromised. Not even getting to the deck and other stuff.
That’s some major damage.
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That dudes roof looks to be a little ways from the boat, and even further from the shoreline.
I’m no engineer but I bet one of the smart guys on here could calculate what sort of energy is required to launch a 12,000 pound boat high enough in the air to rip that gutter and roof edge apart…then end up that far away upside down.
Can you imagine the thousands of tiny details that all had to line up in a row in a matter of seconds for no one to be killed?
It’s truly mind blowing.

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No kidding. God was busy that evening.
 

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No kidding. God was busy that evening.
That ain’t no shit.
It’s one thing for 1 or 2 people to escape alive, but for 8 people to survive that impact is remarkable. (Not counting home owners)
If you could examine just one persons flight path I’d bet there’s hundreds of milliseconds where just one centimeter this way or that (from debris and every other thing) would have changed the outcome.
Now times that by 8.
 

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I’ll jump in on what I do at night…….

Sure, I could manually dim my screens, but that doesn’t dim all the gauges and switches.

When it is imperative that I have no light pollution whatsoever from my dash, I put a towel over the dash. I can quickly lift towel, if I need to check anything (mainly my radar), but sometimes, even the slightest light coming from the interior of the boat, you are driving, can be a distraction.
 

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I don't know what that is?

I know the GPS was inactive on her phone when we were out hiking. 🤷‍♂️

The gps works, but without data you cannot load any maps to view your position on.

Not sure about crapple but on Android you can preselect download and cache areas ahead of time so they will display even if you have no cell signal
 

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In the Army you learn about the importance of protecting your Rhodopsin, AKA Visual Purple. Light destroys it and it's slow to recover. Once established it's amazing how well you can see in the dark.
Yep, friend who was in the army and ranger school taught be about night vision
 

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I wonder if Alex Pratt is related to Ron Pratt?
 

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Some of you guys have too much time to argue.

I’m glad I quit drinking before I started boating. Shitty situation but glad everyone is alive. Crazy that one min you’re having fun and the next you’re sueing your friend. The American way.
 

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No problem brother. I think it’s funny. And you’re right about the typical speed.

But in their defense, that’s where they just begin to drive right and mine is no exception. 95-100 is where the boat is super happy.
I spent quite a bit a time in a 388 that really began to work at 120 and felt even better at 150. The captain blipped it into the 170’s a lot but never sustained. The only thing that gives you a sensation of those speeds are other boats and their unpredictable maneuvers which is understandable, it’s not easy to judge a boat coming at you at those speeds. Your caution is very much appreciated and your boat is beyond bitchin.
 

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We learned a lot about the eye, Scanning techniques, Light inside the cockpit and exposure to light prior to flight during our night certification phase. I use these techniques on the boat at night. I tape up interior lights on the boat anytime we are out at night. It's amazing how well the Army drilled that stuff into my head.
Almost like your life might be dependent on it :oops: ;)
 

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Hopefully Mr. Ramirez is loaded to pay out all these people for their suffering. Prolly should do some jail time as well. 6 months should it. Maybe he will come back a different asshole lol
 
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