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Consider liability only and self insure hull.

My liability is about 6k year. The hull would be over 120,000.00. If I wad it up, I’ll probably be dead so hull becomes less material as I will not need a replacement.

I might end up going that route when the time comes, but in the meantime I am just concluding that I need more time and practice. I might buy a slow fixed gear “popular priced” plane and do my time in it until I build up proficiency…

Basically the insurance underwriters are telling me (new low time pilot): We are charging you for your first gear up starting with your first installment.
 

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I might end up going that route when the time comes, but in the meantime I am just concluding that I need more time and practice. I might buy a slow fixed gear “popular priced” plane and do my time in it until I build up proficiency…

Basically the insurance underwriters are telling me (new low time pilot): We are charging you for your first gear up starting with your first installment.
Been looking at different types of insurance. I haven't gone the route of getting a quote yet because I don't want the spam bullshit that will come with it.

For those Pilots on here that are insured, any recommendations on what insurance agencies to go with?
 

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Consider liability only and self insure hull.

My liability is about 6k year. The hull would be over 120,000.00. If I wad it up, I’ll probably be dead so hull becomes less material as I will not need a replacement.

It depends a lot on the # of seats.
4-6 place aircraft insurance gets steep. Toss on top retractable gear, FBO location, hangar, etc….

When I sold my 1979 c-172 in 2018, my insurance was $635 a year with a million liability, snd $50k hull coverage.
My RV-7A is $2700 with $115k hull coverage. Knowing my luck, I’d wad it up while I was sleeping in a tent at Air Ventures, during a thunderstorm. 😞
 

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Playing around with some social media content concepts, shot this time lapse to showcase the motion platform. The Instagram reel seems to be getting a little traction, who knows LOL
 

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We’re fully operational, I have two multi configurations ordered so we will have both a B-58 and DA-42 with G-1000 online soon. Currently I have 172 steam with 530/430 and 172 with G-1000. Also have GPS setup on both that you can use fore flight and other apps via Bluetooth. As well I have one sim online with a third party app that offers live ATC, second sim will be online with live ATC soon as well.

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Bring your own CFI if you want to log time👍
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Flight school ground test... Done!
Head CFI pre-solo check ride... Done!
First SOLO... Done!

Trying to time it for potentially getting the PPL by end of January. Going to be doing my cross country's over the next few weeks. Just need to schedule the official FAA ground test and get that behind me.
 

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Ripped around SoCal muni airports a bit yesterday. The runway at Cable was nice, even, and perfectly flat😅 Everybody seemed to be lined up to take off at that exact time we were there for a little pattern work. CFI told me it was a bit of practice in being ahead of the plane as I barely had time to get ATIS and approach info prior to radio contacts or announcements for each one.

Headed today for some solo pattern work, then a little break, then back for a night flight. Good times.
 

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Ripped around SoCal muni airports a bit yesterday. The runway at Cable was nice, even, and perfectly flat😅 Everybody seemed to be lined up to take off at that exact time we were there for a little pattern work. CFI told me it was a bit of practice in being ahead of the plane as I barely had time to get ATIS and approach info prior to radio contacts or announcements for each one.

Headed today for some solo pattern work, then a little break, then back for a night flight. Good times.
Stop by, I’m here today, and every day 😂
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Can you set your Simms for fixed pitch prop? I haven't flown anything with constant speed yet. Going to bring up you deal with my CFI today.
Not currently, but it’s possible to do I just have to pony up for the configuration. My next configuration is a multi setup B58 with G-1000 is on order, new panel, new multi throttle and new dual mag switches. I’d like to put an A-36 configuration online, but it’s not a priority right now.

Just for reference to set up an sr22 is $18K 😮 so there is some buy in on my part for each configuration and I need to be able to justify it. Bring your CFI in and I’ll show you guys what we have going on👍
 

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We live in amazing times, december 17th marked the 120 year anniversary of the wright brothers flight. Sunday a guy I know was by in one badass king air, it’s a hot rod with big engines and one of the fastest 20 king airs in the world. I watched in awe as he took off, by the time he was up and crossing midfield he was at 4000’, by 3 1/2 minutes in they were at 11,000’ and clearing the mountains in the background. I went to an event last night at March air museum, they have a replica of the wright brothers craft, by looking at it I would never guess it was meant for flight. Absolutely amazing how far aviation has come for humanity in such a short time, I can only imagine what it will consist of in another 100 years. Maybe I’m too optimistic for humanity and we’ll still see cessna 172’s in play 😂
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We live in amazing times, december 17th marked the 120 year anniversary of the wright brothers flight. Sunday a guy I know was by in one badass king air, it’s a hot rod with big engines and one of the fastest 20 king airs in the world. I watched in awe as he took off, by the time he was up and crossing midfield he was at 4000’, by 3 1/2 minutes in they were at 11,000’ and clearing the mountains in the background. I went to an event last night at March air museum, they have a replica of the wright brothers craft, by looking at it I would never guess it was meant for flight. Absolutely amazing how far aviation has come for humanity in such a short time, I can only imagine what it will consist of in another 100 years. Maybe I’m too optimistic for humanity and we’ll still see cessna 172’s in play 😂 View attachment 1314346 View attachment 1314347 View attachment 1314348
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How is "The Bent Prop" these days. Always a fun breakfast run.
 

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How is "The Bent Prop" these days. Always a fun breakfast run.

The resturant is pretty much the same it has been for years. Pretty cheap breakfast burritos, less than 10 bucks. My wife and I flew down last week also, because the skydiving is really busy right now. Every 20 minutes they drop another load of adrenaline junky’s!

I had both of my close encounters with traffic on those trips. A Baron twin took off on rwy 2 while I was turning right base on 20, I was calling out all my locations, so I asked him if he saw me. He told me he did and was going to fly under me! lol…

The sky diving plane made his first call as a 3 mile final on 20 while I was departing 2, plenty of separation and I just turned slight north a bit sooner than I like at about 300 AGL.

It’s all just new to me in uncontrolled after doing 98% of my training in class D.
 

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Yeah, that sounds like Eloy. I had one of the jump planes announce departing runway 2 as. was just rolling out of my base turn to final for runway 20 once. I did a 360 at about 400 feet AGL while he departed...

And you need to watch when the twotters call a high base.... They are a thousand feet or more above TPA and coming down like a bag of bricks.

If you need other destinations Marana always had OK food, and the diner at Ryan was always on point, though it's been through a couple of owners since I was there. Still a nice flight though.
 
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Did you make your night landings there? I drove to both apple valley and the old hesperia airports to check them out, I have some family there and we plan on flying in this year sometime
Yeah just one last night on 26. I have all the required night landings covered already, just needed to add the night cross country to the list. The runway was not bad at all. Taxi ways are about 1 billion times better lit that at Chino 🤣. On departure we flew direct to Lenwood and with the headwind at one point our ground speed was 51 knots while air speed on climb out was 87 - 90 mph indicated. Safe to say we hit a little headwind. Crabbed over Stoddard Valley OHV area watching all the night ridding going on. Going up over Cajon was a bit bumpy but fun. Good times.
 

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Ummmm excuse me there good sir, please don't lump us normal Apple Valley folk in with the hoodlums from across the river in Victorville. 😁😁

KAPV is actually a great airport, nice long Runway and no residential on either end if something was to go wrong.

KVCV in Victorville is also your best option if you have an issue and have to land long, I think the north-south runway is about 10,500 ft.
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Yeah just one last night on 26. I have all the required night landings covered already, just needed to add the night cross country to the list. The runway was not bad at all. Taxi ways are about 1 billion times better lit that at Chino 🤣. On departure we flew direct to Lenwood and with the headwind at one point our ground speed was 51 knots while air speed on climb out was 87 - 90 mph indicated. Safe to say we hit a little headwind. Crabbed over Stoddard Valley OHV area watching all the night ridding going on. Going up over Cajon was a bit bumpy but fun. Good times.
That's cool! Making some serious progress on your quest. I would think every city would look better at night and from the air.

One of my brother's friends is a commercial airline pilot. Big stuff now, but had done "puddle jumpers" for the sister company for years. One of his routes took him into Tucson on Friday and Saturday nights years back. He and his co-pilot played a game on approach. First person to see PD lights won, other bought dinner 🤣
 

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That's cool! Making some serious progress on your quest. I would think every city would look better at night and from the air.

One of my brother's friends is a commercial airline pilot. Big stuff now, but had done "puddle jumpers" for the sister company for years. One of his routes took him into Tucson on Friday and Saturday nights years back. He and his co-pilot played a game on approach. First person to see PD lights won, other bought dinner 🤣
Yeah I'm at the end of the Private Pilot madness. Had some scheduling conflicts along the way which extended it a bit. But in reality, for my goal I need hours regardless so it's all good. Been a blast every time I've flown so far.
 

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Yeah I'm at the end of the Private Pilot madness. Had some scheduling conflicts along the way which extended it a bit. But in reality, for my goal I need hours regardless so it's all good. Been a blast every time I've flown so far.

So you passed the written and are waiting on a checkride? Good luck!
 

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So you passed the written and are waiting on a checkride? Good luck!
Actually, haven't taken it. I've passed several of the online practice tests from multiple sites well above the required 70%. Timing of real life is screwing that up. But I'm guessing over the next couple weeks that will be knocked out as well as all the required solo cross country's. I plan on doing (actually already have) far more flying than required. Just not one of those in a hurry considering my plans are beyond simple PPL. All the hours and things I'm doing count regardless.
 

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Actually, haven't taken it. I've passed several of the online practice tests from multiple sites well above the required 70%. Timing of real life is screwing that up. But I'm guessing over the next couple weeks that will be knocked out as well as all the required solo cross country's. I plan on doing (actually already have) far more flying than required. Just not one of those in a hurry considering my plans are beyond simple PPL. All the hours and things I'm doing count regardless.

My CFI signed off on my check ride and I did an additional 30 hours of practice until I took my checkride waiting on a DPE. In retrospect those additional hours really helped. I got through the oral and practical within minutes of the minimum requirement. Good luck!
 

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Took a nice little flight down to San Diego.
This is coming back up somewhere near Dana Point looking into the O.C.
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And one of those sunsets that you just don't get to see without elevation.
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Took a nice little flight down to San Diego.
This is coming back up somewhere near Dana Point looking into the O.C.
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And one of those sunsets that you just don't get to see without elevation.
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A little more information on what’s going on in the second pic above the clouds for us low hour VFR pilots please?!

As an Arizona trained pilot I have only read about that kinda of situation, I run from anything that looks like a cloud miles away…. Lol
 

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A little more information on what’s going on in the second pic above the clouds for us low hour VFR pilots please?!

As an Arizona trained pilot I have only read about that kinda of situation, I run from anything that looks like a cloud miles away…. Lol
Easy stuff. That's just a little coastal rolling in at sunset. We were at 5500 in that picture headed south just outside of Los Alamitos. There were some very light misty rain patches off the coast but as soon as you hit solid land it was clear. Flight was out and clear of Camp Pendelton over the ocean. Crazy thing was from there looking south you could already see all the lights on the San Diego coast line. Picture makes it look way brighter out that it actually was.
 

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Easy stuff. That's just a little coastal rolling in at sunset. We were at 5500 in that picture headed south just outside of Los Alamitos. There were some very light misty rain patches off the coast but as soon as you hit solid land it was clear. Flight was out and clear of Camp Pendelton. Crazy thing was from there looking south you could already see all the lights on the San Diego coast line. Picture makes it look way brighter out that it actually was.

That’s cool! I am planning some coastal trips this summer and I wish I had some exposure to these conditions. Even the I.E. valley clouds and fog conditions are going to potentially derail me until I get IFR.
 

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That’s cool! I am planning some coastal trips this summer and I wish I had some exposure to these conditions. Even the I.E. valley clouds and fog conditions are going to potentially derail me until I get IFR.
By then I plan on being into IFR and going between actual flight and Whiteworks set up to get the required hours. For sure hit me up and we can try and go fly around a bit.
 

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Starting my first flight lesson tomorrow, going to put in a few hours tonight in MS Flight Simulator in a 172 to familiarize myself with its instruments and procedures.

I'm super excited, this has been a lifelong goal and I finally said it's time to get going as I'm not getting any younger.

I'll have to read back through the whole thread, lots of good advice in here.
 

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Not to brag boys, but I just picked this baby up. Now, it’s gonna take a few bucks to get running, but when it lights off, it’ll smoke every one of your cute little planes. I’m just gonna need a pilot. Oh, and about 10 mil to get it going.
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By then I plan on being into IFR and going between actual flight and Whiteworks set up to get the required hours. For sure hit me up and we can try and go fly around a bit.
Definitely try to get as much actual as you can with your cfii. 👍

The feeling of flying into clouds takes a few times to get used to. The nice part is on the coast it’s usually pretty easy to time it so you can get actual, even if it’s just a thin fog layer.
 
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I had a kid come down from Santa Barbra this week, walked in and threw down his $490.00 for 25 hours in a 30 day period. Took him through the onboarding and green lighted his his after hours access. He then proceeded to schedule 3 and 4 hour blocks of time, multiple times a day and burned through every available CFI he could line up knocking out 25 hours logged towards his commercial rating over a 5 day period. Figure his cost between CFI’s and sims was $1500. vs $6500 it would have cost him to do in Santa Barbra where he does his training for $180.00 and hour wet for a clapped out cessna and $80.00 and hour with his CFI. He did it all n the g-1000 set up and said it was a great way to time build and become more proficient on a glass panel which he’d only had limited exposure to before this. It was super cool to see this scenario play out, my challenge right now is creating awareness that we are here, marketing and advertising. Our business model is disruptive to the status quo, that’s a good thing.
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That looks incredible!

I've never flown behind a glass panel, unless my ipad counts?
 
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I had a kid come down from Santa Barbra this week, walked in and threw down his $490.00 for 25 hours in a 30 day period. Took him through the onboarding and green lighted his his after hours access. He then proceeded to schedule 3 and 4 hour blocks of time, multiple times a day and burned through every available CFI he could line up knocking out 25 hours logged towards his commercial rating over a 5 day period. Figure his cost between CFI’s and sims was $1500. vs $6500 it would have cost him to do in Santa Barbra where he does his training for $180.00 and hour wet for a clapped out cessna and $80.00 and hour with his CFI. He did it all n the g-1000 set up and said it was a great way to time build and become more proficient on a glass panel which he’d only had limited exposure to before this. It was super cool to see this scenario play out, my challenge right now is creating awareness that we are here, marketing and advertising. Our business model is disruptive to the status quo, that’s a good thing. View attachment 1332882
If you have CFI's on board with this it will be much smoother. My current CFI is too close to his ATP required hours and told me if the boss ever found out he was moonlighting somewhere he'd be fired immediately. I don't blame him at all, that company has kept him pretty busy all this time, and honestly I don't know if he has the time outside of his regular stuff to help out.

So.... Do you have CFI's lined up for students?
 

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Definitely try to get as much actual as you can with your cfii. 👍

The feeling of flying into clouds takes a few times to get used to. The nice part is on the coast it’s usually pretty easy to time it so you can get actual, even if it’s just a thin fog layer.
Yeah, I'm trying to get as much actual seat time with him as I can before I'm signed off and test (already well beyond minimums). Pretty much stuck to 2 hours out and back (So 4 hours blocks) due to time restrictions from the flight school. But I plan on hitting most airports in the SoCal area with him on board so at least I'm familiar with them. The night flight into Palomar was pretty funny. Everything was on track, and I knew where we were flying, but I couldn't see the strip until about a mile out as it blended into everything around it coming in from the north. An approach from inland would have been extremely obvious as their runway approach lighting is legit! My CFI just laughed and told me not to feel bad, their beacon is horrible and even he couldn't see it. He'd been there a ton, so he knew what was up, and kept giving my corrections, but still let me figure it out which is exactly why we get along. His teaching style is just enough input and corrections, but lets you experience things so you can learn.

Next flights are a solo to Camarillo (KCMA), then a dual down to Gillespie (KSEE). I'll be planning a flight to Palm Desert, then south to Salt n Sea (not sure where we are stopping along the way yet), then back to the cost and up again. Should be a fun little flight, just need the weather to play nice for a bit.
 
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