OUI Checkpoint yesterday

[PVHCA]

Hahahaha... I pay your salary... your mom must be proud??? You people really need to come up with some new lines.

I am very respectfull of LEO's and have many LEO's that I consider close friends.

My comment was that I contribute to your salary as do you T & Y. That line never gets old IMO because it works, LOL!!

Like I always say, " I give respect to everyone until I see no respect in return."

 

[shintoooo]

Cops....






























Still Suck

 

[OCMerrill]

Just my .02 but really never had any bad issues with the cops on the river. Had many safety inspections before and seemed like if your shit was in order they worked off that. Kids always rolled away with either a free shirt or toy. The one time that we slipped and got caught, LEO checked my wife for OUI and let her drive the boat/ guys home. :thumbsup

I never have either. We were lit up and pulled over in front of the Roadrunner two years ago for nothing more then a life vest check and to give the kids Frisbees and stickers for wearing their PFD's. No issues over the 45 years boating parker (remembering back to kid hood with Dad and still nothing) and we went to the river every weekend in the summer at Echo from 1966 to 1979.

Now the Orange County Sheriff / Harbor Patrol is a different story. They have never once been rude and we have yet to see a citation but in the two years the Ocean Cat has been in Dana we have been side tied 4x and it's mostly Lobster hoop netting related and one time it was a total life vest count. The nice thing is they come over the radio and give instructions and this helps with the frustration.

Every time we use the dingy (Zodiac) we get hassled for something. As of a week ago I think were in the clear with the things they look for but who knows. We have been ticketed on that.

 

[Lavey5150]

Respect is earned, period. If and when I get harrassed by the "safety-check" mob,(honestly, I don't see the legality in stopping folks in open water without due cause, I will research this) it's going to be a true test of this. I'll give them the benefit, if they start disrespecting my rig, it's not going to go well, I have nothing to hide, I don't drink while operating the vessel. Wasting MY time for their revenue generating bid, doesn't sit well, I know I'm not alone in this mindset. Keep your POS patrol boat off my gel,period, that's all I ask. I don't beach my boat, why should doing this for revenuecop be the exception? I don't need cops unless I'm being rushed by 10 gangbangers, my .45 has 8 plus 1 chambered that leaves 1 more shot needed, do the math Thanks cop.

 

[Guest]

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[Fltplan]

Telling a cop u pay his salary is never going to end well.. Lol

RD

It never gets to that point unless they are the typical jerks. I'm always respectful of everyone to start. Just don't waste my time blowing sunshine up their ass.

Give them something to remember me by. Oh yes, you are one of em!

 

[Not So Fast]

Can anyone point the finger at the abusing agency, if there was one in particular. Since there were no less that 7 agencies involved it would clarify things a little.
I have my suspicions about a couple of them and just wondered if one stood out, thanks.
NSF

 

[PaPaG]

RD: I'd be far more concerned with inexperienced drivers, bad hull designs, and bad judgement, then an experienced person at a .08, or truthfully even much higher then a .08. Check Points are NOT doing anything to make the water safer when you really get to the grit of it.

WOW, much higher than a .08 concerns you less than hull design WOW

Endorsing checkpoints is neither level headed or responsible IMO.

You are wrong but that is OK we all have our opinions and then there are facts...I follow the facts.
You can't garuantee that, because if you could, it would be zero tolerance.

Did not say "I can Guarantee it" I said "I can ALMOST guarantee it"...not the same degree.

 

[Wicky]

You are wrong but that is OK we all have our opinions and then there are facts...I follow the facts.
You can't garuantee that, because if you could, it would be zero tolerance.

If checkpoints were all about saving lives, it would be .00 BAC with zero tolerance. When the bac was lowered to .08, DUIs became all about the money.

 

[LowRiver2]

All about the money is the. 04 level I have to be held to for my commercial license. I like the money I make, therefore I drive 00, besides the never ending doubt that is placed on anyone in a collision who has any BAC, and I'm talking about litigation, what I DON'T need, ever

 

[PaPaG]

Take that talented driver that has had 6 or 7 drinks and I can 100% guarantee they are not as responsive and as sharp as they would be without the alcohol, it's just facts.

We grew up in the same era. Not sure how much boating you actually did but we used to go out almost every weekend during the boating season and once in a while in the off season. We have been hit 2 times and almost had a passenger killed another time on Havi back in the 80's and 90's. All three times the other boat operator was under the influence. Thankfully no injuries in either boats but did a few K damage to the boats we were in.

Even using your "Special Skill Set Drivers" I can guarantee anyone drinking 6 or 7 beers is not going to be as responsive as he or she would be if they had zero beers...Your special skill set drivers would not be as sharp and their reaction time would be effected...

It is also not an arbitrary limit that big brother has set. They have done hundreds of tests on sober vs under the influenced drivers even using your " Different skilled set drivers from a different era" in these tests and the FACT is that people under the influence do not respond at the same sharp level as they would if they were sober and as the drink # increases the responses get worse and worse....

If done correctly and at the active and crowded locations where needed the safety IE drunk driver checks would work.....when a citizen threatens or endangers the life of other citizens there should be checks and controls in place to take care of the problem and the citizens should be dealt with accordingly..

I hate big gov, but I hate drunk drivers more so I would gladly give up 5 minutes of my time to go through these checks...I have been stopped multiple times in these checks and the LEO's were nothing but polite and helpful and when I would ask "Would it be ok if I secure my boat so it does not get damaged" Never had one say NO or treat us like crap. Give respect and usually get respect back.

 

[franky]

we all have a good and bad times with the cops i believe,

for example sunday in the channel we were partying pretty hard and one of the songs that came on was pretty offensive with foul language and other stuff cop comes up asks whos boat i say mine he ask me if i can change the song, yes sir not a problem. Got to talking with him for a few minutes and he was telling me how they have been alot more leanent this year and they love seeing the same boats day n and day out, and if some other officers would have heard those songs at the volume we would have been cited or arrested for disturbing the peace he was a great guy

but i have been on the other side of the field and watched people get hammered by the cops for not asking permission to wipe there ass

i guess it all depends on the officer and if he got some the night before

Really, you had to have a cop tell you to turn that shit off?

 

[bunkrepair]

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jbb is WINNING!

 

[RandyH]

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excellent try Brian. I would motorboat those for sure.

 

[That Guy]

Really, you had to have a cop tell you to turn that shit off?

 

[Rvrluvr]

All about the money is the. 04 level I have to be held to for my commercial license. I like the money I make, therefore I drive 00, besides the never ending doubt that is placed on anyone in a collision who has any BAC, and I'm talking about litigation, what I DON'T need, ever

Im in sAme boat ( no pun intended). I Also have a shitty attituxe and run my mouth. So i figure i better b sober period.. I save the drinkin for night time at house

 

[Racey]

PaPaG, i don't think you understand my post, The "Special Skill Set Driver" may not be as good after 6 or 7 beers as he is with zero, but he is still leaps and bounds better than the average idiot who boats twice a year and has a hard enough time putting his boat on the trailer on a calm day. Yet one is free to roam the lake and be a danger to everyone, and the other is soon to be made an example of via arrest and OUI

 

[bunkrepair]

Really, you had to have a cop tell you to turn that shit off?

yep sure did! and he didnt ask us to turn if off just go to the next song, haha.. hey the chicks like to shake there ass's and i do what i got to do make them shake um! does this make me a bad person?

 

[Guest]

Dave said this thread is getting repetitive....

 

[RiverDave]

Dave said this thread is getting repetitive....

That's the understatement of the year..

RD

 

[Duffster]

Maybe instead of calling it a safety inspection which is bull shit and be up front and say we what to look in your cooler and search your boat for anything we can find. This is just about as fucked up as taking off your shoes and getting jerked around at the airport for doing nothing.

 

[slowride]

if i were a cop id get fired for letting people have a life and a good time, i would take people who deserved to takin, and let the people living there lives live it,

i cant stand dudes who beat chicks, child abuse, drug issues, and other reall issues but 10 over stopped but getting a warning 20 over your getting a ticket for 10 over, but id never be a cop

Damn... one more time... in English.

 

[PaPaG]

PaPaG, i don't think you understand my post, The "Special Skill Set Driver" may not be as good after 6 or 7 beers as he is with zero, but he is still leaps and bounds better than the average idiot who boats twice a year and has a hard enough time putting his boat on the trailer on a calm day. Yet one is free to roam the lake and be a danger to everyone, and the other is soon to be made an example of via arrest and OUI

Understood, but I still think the 6 or 7 drink boater is still very dangerous and should not be on the water.

 

[Guest]

What about them Royals....

 

[Lavey5150]

if i were a cop id get fired for letting people have a life and a good time, i would take people who deserved to takin, and let the people living there lives live it,

i cant stand dudes who beat chicks, child abuse, drug issues, and other reall issues but 10 over stopped but getting a warning 20 over your getting a ticket for 10 over, but id never be a cop

 

[PaPaG]

Dave said this thread is getting repetitive....

That's the understatement of the year..

RD

You crack me up.....you must not read much of the posts on your own site if this thread deserves the "Repetitive post Understatement of the year award comment"..:smackhead

 

[bunkrepair]

Damn... one more time... in English.

fixed my jiberish sorry

 

[WTDecker]

yep sure did! and he didnt ask us to turn if off just go to the next song, haha.. hey the chicks like to shake there ass's and i do what i got to do make them shake um! does this make me a bad person?

No it does not make you a bad person, but when the whole Channel has to listen to your gangster rap is a lack of respect to the other boaters.

 

[Not So Fast]

Once more, can anyone point to the offending agency?????????????? I think it important to not lump every agency that was involved in the "Asshole" catagory.
I absolutlely think there are a few standouts from personal previous encounters, thanks
NSF

 

[bunkrepair]

Once more, can anyone point to the offending agency?????????????? I think it important to not lump every agency that was involved in the "Asshole" catagory.
I absolutlely think there are a few standouts from personal previous encounters, thanks
NSF

I believe game and fish were the ones heading most of this thing this time, last year it was the sheriff, correct me if I am wrong

 

[LowRiver2]

Simple equation to this repetitive thread,
60% of RDP posters hate cops
30% of RDP posters understand the job of the po po,whether agreeing with a said incident or not
10% of RDP POSTERS are cops

That said, the productive thing to do on this one is those involved on Sat. Make a call down to fish and game and advise of the issues of maintaining one's boat from damage, and any bad atittudes that came with the encounter. Bet a call or meet with the local media might rearrange policy on contacting boats /not damaging personal property.
Maybe nothing changes, but an attempt at fixing a problem is better than a circle jerk bitch session where the status quo prevails

......ah fuggit, F the man!

 

[Tom Brown]

60% of RDP posters hate cops
10% of RDP POSTERS are cops

It's a beautiful thing.

 

[sergeantmike]

Well said... let's put a fork in this one... I think its done.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

I dont have issue with the stops, they just need to use better judgement in setting them up. The location was bad, it was exposed to the wind on an open part of the lake and the conditions for docking your boat was shitty, especially up against docks that had no padding. Many people were struggling with getting their boats in. I would think someone would have made the judgement call to make some changes to the set up based on the conditions in order to avoid potential liabilities.

The female officer who handled my interview was pleasant but I just got a negative vibe from all of the other onlooker officers that refused to bend over and help. I just felt like their viewpoint was, screw this guy, he's got a nice boat, 6 women on it, and I have to stand here all day at work, I aint bending over to keep his boat from banging into the docks.

Once it was confirmed that I had all of my safety gear in order, six PFD's one for each person on the boat, they had to request that each person hold one up? Why? So you could get a better view of their tits?

And then some information that leaving PFD's in the plastic bags is bad. And lastly just as we were about to pull off, someone says "he doesnt have a current registration sticker on his boat". I point out that the state that the boat is registered in only issues one, its on the other side of the boat.

And then to yell at someone in their boat to stay seated instead of jumping to the back of their boat to help fend off a collision with my boat just doesn't make any sense.

Bottom line, as we drove away, the group discussion on the boat was centered around, "WTF was up with them, they all had sticks up their asses". Thats the unfortunate part that our group left with that perspective on the officers who otherwise are trying to do a good thing.

 

[nelsonlaptop]

If the test is so inacurate, can't a lawyer easily get it thrown out in court? What if you tell them "NO" to the Blow test and ask for a blood test? Will they take you to the station, or get an EMT down there?

 

[Skankersore]

I dated a (small-dicked) fireman from Havasu a few years ago. He warned me of the old brass at the PD who pledged to 'clean up' Havasu. Sure as shit, this cantankerous, crusty bastard with fat fucking ankles boarded my boat in the Channel and demanded we quit holding up white board messages. No foul language was used (shocking, I know) - just fun with passing boaters. (ie "The Bigger the Boat, the smaller the....")

Well, me being the mouthy Skank that I am, I argued my right to hold up a fucking white board. He got in my face and threatened to take me to jail. When I chuckled in his face, he saw a single, glass beer bottle in a cup holder and told me he'd haul my ass to jail for having glass in the Channel.

I knew some of the younger guys from the PD and they came over on their quads when they saw the cankled dick board my boat. They came to my defense and told him we were "cool" and weren't causing any trouble. This pissed him off and as he was backing down he saw a girl on my boat with pasties and threatened to take her to jail. We argued they were legal and he looked at me and said, "Not to me they aint!"

I've been boating on Havasu for a ga'gillion years. I had NEVER seen such a dick'ish stance with the popo there. I'd like to find that fat bastard now and go take a shit on his gravel lawn.

 

[Mandelon]

IMO stops without probable cause are unjustified, and a violation of my rights.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

[K25DAYTONA]

What if you just refused to pull your boat into a dock like that and take the chance of F$#king it all up. Then what they arrest you? I dont believe
I would pull my boat into that situation and take the chance of damaging my ride. If they wanna check me bring your boat out here in open water leo and check all you want. But to deliberatley have us pull our boat into a fucked up situation is BS!!

 

[NicPaus]

If the test is so inacurate, can't a lawyer easily get it thrown out in court? What if you tell them "NO" to the Blow test and ask for a blood test? Will they take you to the station, or get an EMT down there?

The yprobably had emt on site for blood tests. This is reason I quit going to Havasu. Its been about 8 years but they use to have a barge sitting at copper canyon everyone leaving if you made eye contact they signaled you over and would do a safety check. if you refused breathalizer they had a nurse on board doing blood tests on the barge. They had a whole line of people waitng for there turn to get blood drawn.

 

[RiverDave]

You crack me up.....you must not read much of the posts on your own site if this thread deserves the "Repetitive post Understatement of the year award comment"..:smackhead

LOL...

Simple equation to this repetitive thread,
60% of RDP posters hate cops
30% of RDP posters understand the job of the po po,whether agreeing with a said incident or not
10% of RDP POSTERS are cops

That said, the productive thing to do on this one is those involved on Sat. Make a call down to fish and game and advise of the issues of maintaining one's boat from damage, and any bad atittudes that came with the encounter. Bet a call or meet with the local media might rearrange policy on contacting boats /not damaging personal property.
Maybe nothing changes, but an attempt at fixing a problem is better than a circle jerk bitch session where the status quo prevails

......ah fuggit, F the man!

Well said LowRiver.. I'd wager we have more cops on here then you think though.. I know San Bernadino is on here, La Paz is still on here, Fish and Game is on here, and some coasties..

We get a lot of cop traffic.. Hopefully these threads, while repetitive and often negative in nature, are also educational to the other side?

We are people, usually hard working people, on vacation.. Not criminals. There's no reason for the attitude that is given in a lot of the circumstances.. Just be cool? Why is that so hard?

RD

 

[nelsonlaptop]

Here is a quick read regarding Breathalyzer Accuracy.

http://www.alcoholalert.com/breathalyzer-accuracy.html

 

[CoolCruzin]

What if you just refused to pull your boat into a dock like that and take the chance of F$#king it all up. Then what they arrest you? I dont believe
I would pull my boat into that situation and take the chance of damaging my ride. If they wanna check me bring your boat out here in open water leo and check all you want. But to deliberatley have us pull our boat into a fucked up situation is BS!!

X2
I wouldn't do it .
What could they do shoot at you. Arrest you . I don't think so.
Throw an anchor out in open water and have them board.
BUT if you had drink I wouldn't do the above .

 

[Brian B]

There is no way I would attempt backing into a slip with a vdrive! What about direct drives and vdrives?

 

[RiverDave]

There is no way I would attempt backing into a slip with a vdrive! What about direct drives and vdrives?

If you have skills you can do it.. Hell I could even do it with a couple of beers in me..

RD

 

[Brian B]

If you have skills you can do it.. Hell I could even do it with a couple of beers in me..

RD

Oh I could certainly do it Dave, it would just make me look drunk as it's a lot of work!

 

[Duffster]

This is topic is getting better day by day

 

[RiverDave]

Oh I could certainly do it Dave, it would just make me look drunk as it's a lot of work!

Well you gotta have a couple of beers to relax first.. then things become easier.

RD

 

[Duffster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ywdk9-nPjM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[RogerThat99]

Luckily, the LEO's where we boat have a good attitude!! He was polite enough to let me snap a pic. LOL.

 

[Rvrluvr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ywdk9-nPjM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I love it when white stuff comes out of my machine

Scarry to think .... Thats our future