On the Mexico and Canada Tariffs

[evantwheeler]

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Growing up in the PNW, I am surprised I have never seen this. Nice.

 

[Canuck 1]

Growing up in the PNW, I am surprised I have never seen this. Nice.

That is an old thing from many years ago

 

[just_floatin]

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[regor]

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Ontario suspends 25% electricity surcharge for US customers after Trump ups aluminum, steel tariff

In a statement on X, Ford said he had a “productive conversation” with Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick.

nypost.com

 

[t&y]

Ontario suspends 25% electricity surcharge for US customers after Trump ups aluminum, steel tariff

In a statement on X, Ford said he had a “productive conversation” with Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick.

nypost.com

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Lol... Is anyone really surprised by Canada folding here?

 

[PlanB]

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What if we don't want Canada?

 

[rmarion]

 

[regor]

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain will not impose retaliatory trade tariffs in response to U.S. duties on all steel and aluminium imports which are due to come into force on Wednesday, a British government official said on Tuesday.

While the European Union plans to hit back against the 25% US tariffs on imports of the metals, the official - who asked not to be identified - said Britain would continue to engage with the U.S. in an attempt to secure an exemption.

Euro’s, you want some?

 

[Canuck 1]

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The anti-dumping tariffs that Trumpy signed with the free trade agreement that only apply after certain levels are hit? If you are going to post BS at least make it entertaining

 

[rmarion]

The anti-dumping tariffs that Trumpy signed with the free trade agreement that only apply after certain levels are hit? If you are going to post BS at least make it entertaining

I'm not excited about fact checking....

here's some info before Trump took office in 2025...

have at it...

Just the Facts: Canadian Tariffs

The Fulcrum strives to approach news stories with an open mind and skepticism, striving to present our readers with a broad spectrum of viewpoints through diligent research and critical thinking. As best we can, remove personal bias from our reporting and seek a variety of perspectives in both...

thefulcrum.us

 

[Ultra...Good]

I'm not excited about fact checking....

here's some info before Trump tool office in 2025...

have at it...

Just the Facts: Canadian Tariffs

The Fulcrum strives to approach news stories with an open mind and skepticism, striving to present our readers with a broad spectrum of viewpoints through diligent research and critical thinking. As best we can, remove personal bias from our reporting and seek a variety of perspectives in both...

thefulcrum.us

And then there is this:

 

[Canuck 1]

I'm not excited about fact checking....

here's some info before Trump took office in 2025...

have at it...

Just the Facts: Canadian Tariffs

The Fulcrum strives to approach news stories with an open mind and skepticism, striving to present our readers with a broad spectrum of viewpoints through diligent research and critical thinking. As best we can, remove personal bias from our reporting and seek a variety of perspectives in both...

thefulcrum.us

Trumpy forgot to mention that the dairy/product taxes only apply when a certain level is achieved, aka dumping taxes, the free trade numbers haven't been hit or been close to hit

BTW If you remove oil the trade deficit goes the other way, the US bought more oil. As it is Alberta subsidizes the US by 39 billion+/- per year and eastern canada by 26 billion+/- per year just with oil discounts and taxes

 

[j21black]

Ross, the same shit gets said up here, and some of those "canadian" companies are American, it is a diversion/distraction from the truth. The forestry industry is dead on both sides of the border from what it was 40 years ago. Retarded liberals/leaf lickers have had their feet on the neck of anyone and anything that they deem bad for the environment. We have 4 mills, 3 are specialty ones where we had 30+ years ago, as someone else said; you seldom see logging trucks around anymore.

The biggest problem with this whole deal is that our two countries have been so integrated for so long that separating them will cause excessive pain to both, not that I care about the east at all, they deserve it.

In central Alabama I can throw a rock in any direction and hit 5 log trucks loaded with timber - All pine though...

 

[530RL]

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LONDON (Reuters) - Britain will not impose retaliatory trade tariffs in response to U.S. duties on all steel and aluminium imports which are due to come into force on Wednesday, a British government official said on Tuesday.

While the European Union plans to hit back against the 25% US tariffs on imports of the metals, the official - who asked not to be identified - said Britain would continue to engage with the U.S. in an attempt to secure an exemption.

Euro’s, you want some?

Yes they do.

Canada, Europe hit back after US metals tariffs kick in

The European Union and Canada announced retaliatory tariffs on Wednesday after the Trump administration's metals duties went into effect, broadening a trade war with several of America's top trading partners. The U.S. at midnight began imposing 25% tariffs on all steel and aluminum imports from...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Angler]

Yes they do.

Canada, Europe hit back after US metals tariffs kick in

The European Union and Canada announced retaliatory tariffs on Wednesday after the Trump administration's metals duties went into effect, broadening a trade war with several of America's top trading partners. The U.S. at midnight began imposing 25% tariffs on all steel and aluminum imports from...

www.yahoo.com

Hope Trump adds an additional 25% to the current tariffs.

 

[530RL]

Hope Trump adds an additional 25% to the current tariffs.

Me too.

We have loaded up on inventory and with every tariff our price rises equally, all of it additional profit.

And even better our customer is the government. You can’t make this stuff up. They are massively raising costs on themselves making spending, debt and deficits even higher.

It’s just laughable, but at the same time, windfall profits.

 

[regor]

Me too.

We have loaded up on inventory and with every tariff our price rises equally, all of it additional profit.

And even better our customer is the government. You can’t make this stuff up. They are massively raising costs on themselves making spending, debt and deficits even higher.

It’s just laughable, but at the same time, windfall profits.

Good for you.

What are your thoughts about Trump slashing government, since yore a "small government" guy who always claimed Trump was a big government guy?

Find yore lil balls in the purse, you can do it!!!

 

[530RL]

Good for you.

What are your thoughts about Trump slashing government, since yore a "small government" guy who always claimed Trump was a big government guy?

Find yore lil balls in the purse, you can do it!!!

His proposed budget is an increase in government debt and deficits not a decrease.

Regulations are being increased. Think of the paperwork now to import a component from a global supply chain for a US manufacturer, or to now export a product if one is a US manufacturer. The increased regulations are a nightmare that we are all having to hire clerical staff to meet let alone the accounting for assemblers like an automobile manufacturer.

Then consider that he has unilaterally ripped up a legally binding agreement, one that he himself negotiated and stated was the best trade agreement in the history of trade agreements. Think about all the regulatory nightmares that come with ripping up that agreement and all the increased compliance costs without a binding trade agreement.

It’s crazy, but I guess what people wanted. More regulation, higher costs, less economic growth and lower standards of living let alone bigger debts.

 

[Sandlord]

His proposed budget is an increase in government debt and deficits not a decrease.

Regulations are being increased. Think of the paperwork now to import a component from a global supply chain for a US manufacturer, or to now export a product if one is a US manufacturer. The increased regulations are a nightmare that we are all having to hire clerical staff to meet let alone the accounting for assemblers like an automobile manufacturer.

Then consider that he has unilaterally ripped up a legally binding agreement, one that he himself negotiated and stated was the best trade agreement in the history of trade agreements. Think about all the regulatory nightmares that come with ripping up that agreement and all the increased compliance costs without a binding trade agreement.

It’s crazy, but I guess what people wanted. More regulation, higher costs, less economic growth and lower standards of living let alone bigger debts.

You’re just making up shit because you hate Trump, as usual.

Trump Regulation Impact 2025​

President Donald Trump's administration is focused on decreasing federal regulations. On January 31, 2025, Trump issued an executive order titled "Unleashing Prosperity Through Deregulation," which aims to reduce federal regulation to alleviate the significant costs and complexities on American citizens and businesses that hinder economic growth, innovation, and global competitiveness.
The executive order includes measures such as the "10 for 1" rule, which requires agencies to identify at least 10 existing regulations for repeal when proposing a new regulation. This directive is more stringent than the "2 for 1" rule from the first Trump administration. Additionally, the order directs agencies to ensure that the total incremental cost of all new regulations being finalized in fiscal year 2025 must be "significantly less than zero," indicating a more aggressive effort to reduce regulatory costs.
These actions demonstrate that the Trump administration is actively working to decrease, rather than increase, federal regulations.

 

[Angler]

529.4's hate for Trump is comical.

 

[530RL]

You’re just making up shit because you hate Trump, as usual.

Trump Regulation Impact 2025​

President Donald Trump's administration is focused on decreasing federal regulations. On January 31, 2025, Trump issued an executive order titled "Unleashing Prosperity Through Deregulation," which aims to reduce federal regulation to alleviate the significant costs and complexities on American citizens and businesses that hinder economic growth, innovation, and global competitiveness.
The executive order includes measures such as the "10 for 1" rule, which requires agencies to identify at least 10 existing regulations for repeal when proposing a new regulation. This directive is more stringent than the "2 for 1" rule from the first Trump administration. Additionally, the order directs agencies to ensure that the total incremental cost of all new regulations being finalized in fiscal year 2025 must be "significantly less than zero," indicating a more aggressive effort to reduce regulatory costs.
These actions demonstrate that the Trump administration is actively working to decrease, rather than increase, federal regulations.

Unfortunately the fact is none of this has been complied with or accomplished. It is an inspirational statement with no teeth or even plans for implementation.

It is a hell of a marketing pitch to his followers.

 

[spectras only]

• 2024: U.S. exports to Canada were around $349.4 billion, and imports from Canada reached $412.7 billion, resulting in a trade deficit of $63.3 billion.
• So, we're splitting hairs over 63B that seems like drop in a bucket compared to what Biden spent on Ukraine!

You guys make uuuge profit on cheap oil from Canada, that you can resell. Our cdn dollar is worthless for me to travel to your country and spend it there. Better off to visit some shithole country like Cuba , to feel like a king, spending my worthless cdn money there haha

 

[530RL]

• 2024: U.S. exports to Canada were around $349.4 billion, and imports from Canada reached $412.7 billion, resulting in a trade deficit of $63.3 billion.
• So, we're splitting hairs over 63B that seems like drop in a bucket compared to what Biden spent on Ukraine!

You guys make uuuge profit on cheap oil from Canada, that you can resell. Our cdn dollar is worthless for me to travel to your country and spend it there. Better off to visit some shithole country like Cuba , to feel like a king, spending my worthless cdn money there haha

America no longer wants the Canadian tourist and their money. This administration loves more regulations…….

US to require Canadians visiting for over 30 days to have fingerprints taken, register with authorities

A new Department of Homeland Security rule will require Canadians entering the U.S. for over 30 days to get fingerprinted and registered starting April 11.

www.foxnews.com

 

[spectras only]

I call it BS, but what ever, will see on April 11th. I think Fox just needed more clickbait
Was planning to come to DS in April, didn't plan on staying 30 day, so it won't affect me, what so ever. I may still come, depends on schedules on my tracking events.

 

[530RL]

I call it BS, but what ever, will see on April 11th. I think Fox just needed more clickbait

It is one of a bunch new regulations already submitted to the Federal Register.

Federal Register :: Request Access

 

[Sandlord]

529.4's hate for Trump is comical.

Yeah, he reminds me of someone almost as smart as Stainless was, but with spellcheck.

 

[regor]

His proposed budget is an increase in government debt and deficits not a decrease.

Regulations are being increased. Think of the paperwork now to import a component from a global supply chain for a US manufacturer, or to now export a product if one is a US manufacturer. The increased regulations are a nightmare that we are all having to hire clerical staff to meet let alone the accounting for assemblers like an automobile manufacturer.

Then consider that he has unilaterally ripped up a legally binding agreement, one that he himself negotiated and stated was the best trade agreement in the history of trade agreements. Think about all the regulatory nightmares that come with ripping up that agreement and all the increased compliance costs without a binding trade agreement.

It’s crazy, but I guess what people wanted. More regulation, higher costs, less economic growth and lower standards of living let alone bigger debts.

You butt hurt scumbags handed him a shit sandwich. You know it, we ALL know it. I’ll give him a year at yore RINO spending levels, but NO ONE is believing yore bullshit lil liar!!!

 

[530RL]

You butt hurt scumbags handed him a shit sandwich. You know it, we ALL know it. I’ll give him a year at yore RINO spending levels, but NO ONE is believing yore bullshit lil liar!!!

The market is.

 

[regor]

The market is.

Another lie from yore sorry ass.

The market is coming to the realization that the free cheese is no longer available from yore faggot friends at the Fed.

We’re going to FUCK the entire world!!!

 

[530RL]

Another lie from yore sorry ass.

The market is coming to the realization that the free cheese is no longer available from yore faggot friends at the Fed.

We’re going to FUCK the entire world!!!

You just keep believing.

 

[regor]

You just keep believing.

Just like I told you we were taking yore party from you corrupt scumbags, like that?

 

[Sportin' Wood]

The messaging on these tariffs could use a marketing spin. Rather than just playing the equality card and tit for tat, I think an opportunity is missed.

In my feeble mind, these tariffs are a consumption tax.

Anything that can shift my personal tax burden away from my income to my consumption seems attractive to me. I can choose if I wish to buy these products impacted. If Trump continues to keep his promises, Tariffs should relieve my tax burden in other areas. I'm totally down with that. In all fairness Montana does not have a sales tax.

Lets not forget the currency exchange in these discussions. I still believe even with tariffs MX is an attractive manufacturing option. Canada not so much. Canada, you are not a bargain. The Midwest of America has you beat.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see this current pressure point having a negative impact on my life. In the short term Lumber, but I have a lumber mill 2 miles away and I use them when I can as the prices are great. Plywood might go back to COVID pricing? I would love to see our Montana mills fire back up and put Americans to work in my state.

I recognize I'm odd, I love seeing this chaos. This is an anarchists dream. I so hate bureaucrats I accept any negative consequences for my vote in favor of this agenda. Which includes a significant reduction in my household income. We are able bodied, we can figure out a crafty way to replace it. We are prepared for chaos.

Burn it all.

Back to nature, the only truth.

 

[530RL]

The messaging on these tariffs could use a marketing spin. Rather than just playing the equality card and tit for tat, I think an opportunity is missed.

In my feeble mind, these tariffs are a consumption tax.

Anything that can shift my personal tax burden away from my income to my consumption seems attractive to me. I can choose if I wish to buy these products impacted. If Trump continues to keep his promises, Tariffs should relieve my tax burden in other areas. I'm totally down with that. In all fairness Montana does not have a sales tax.

Lets not forget the currency exchange in these discussions. I still believe even with tariffs MX is an attractive manufacturing option. Canada not so much. Canada, you are not a bargain. The Midwest of America has you beat.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see this current pressure point having a negative impact on my life. In the short term Lumber, but I have a lumber mill 2 miles away and I use them when I can as the prices are great. Plywood might go back to COVID pricing? I would love to see our Montana mills fire back up and put Americans to work in my state.

I recognize I'm odd, I love seeing this chaos. This is an anarchists dream. I so hate bureaucrats I accept any negative consequences for my vote in favor of this agenda. Which includes a significant reduction in my household income. We are able bodied, we can figure out a crafty way to replace it. We are prepared for chaos.

Burn it all.

Back to nature, the only truth.

Something to consider is that when Canadian lumber goes up due to tariffs, your local mill two miles away will also raise his prices to the new higher market price. He is no fool, he is going to to raise prices to the market price.

I do agree with you that those that are clever, will find a way to profit off this chaos and improve their lives to make even more money. And so that is what we focus on. Every man for themselves.

If someone gets fucked, that is on them. They failed to improvise and overcome. Capitalism at its finest.

 

[Ultra...Good]

Something to consider is that when Canadian lumber goes up due to tariffs, your local mill two miles away will also raise his prices to the new higher market price. He is no fool, he is going to to raise prices to the market price.

I do agree with you that those that are clever, will find a way to profit off this chaos and improve their lives to make even more money. And so that is what we focus on. Every man for themselves.

If someone gets fucked, that is on them. They failed to improvise and overcome. Capitalism at its finest.

So you agree with government intervention when you can line your pockets. About time you finally admit it.

But......the mills will pay US citizens to produce that lumber so profits will not go up. Lumber mill jobs will be brought back where they belong for what we consume.

And we all know how this will effect your bottom line with your supply chains.

Just admit it, your not going to be able to rely on cheap labor anymore and you don't like it. We already knew that.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Something to consider is that when Canadian lumber goes up due to tariffs, your local mill two miles away will also raise his prices to the new higher market price. He is no fool, he is going to to raise prices to the market price.

If the "local mill" does so, they are absolute fools for missing the golden opportunity to grow their business by multiples....and provide "prosper" to their owners and employees..... not all business owners/managers are as selfish and self serving as you may think.

 

[530RL]

So you agree with government intervention when you can line your pockets. About time you finally admit it.

But......the mills will pay US citizens to produce that lumber so profits will not go up. Lumber mill jobs will be brought back where they belong for what we consume.

And we all know how this will effect your bottom line with your supply chains.

Just admit it, your not going to be able to rely on cheap labor anymore and you don't like it. We already knew that.

No, I think government intervention in markets is bad.

But if they are dumb enough to do it, and citizens are dumb enough to think government is the solution, conservatives understand they are on their own and need to succeed.

And they will.

 

[530RL]

If the "local mill" does so, they are absolute fools for missing the golden opportunity to grow their business by multiples....and provide "prosper" to their owners and employees..... not all business owners/managers are as selfish and self serving as you may think.

A fool is one who gives his product away for well below the market price.

Those people end up having multiple bankruptcies. Ironically.

 

[Ultra...Good]

No, I think government intervention in markets is bad.

But if they are dumb enough to do it, and citizens are dumb enough to think government is the solution, conservatives understand they are on their own and need to succeed.

And they will.

No, you are all for it when it benefits you.

Call yourself whatever you want, but if you consider yourself dumb because you do it, that's on you.

Will they (you) ?

 

[regor]

If the "local mill" does so, they are absolute fools for missing the golden opportunity to grow their business by multiples....and provide "prosper" to their owners and employees..... not all business owners/managers are as selfish and self serving as you may think.

He cares not for humanity, only his pockets.

A true venture capitalist system pig, who relies on free cheese from his friends in government.

 

[Ultra...Good]

He cares not for humanity, only his pockets.

A true venture capitalist system pig, who relies on free cheese from his friends in government.

And watching his slices of cheese getting thinner is making him nervous.

 

[SNiC Jet]

A fool is one who gives his product away for well below the market price.

Those people end up having multiple bankruptcies. Ironically.

I agree, but that is not what you said:
your local mill two miles away will also raise his prices to the new higher market price.

Why do you fabricate this "Well Below market price " BS?

 

[530RL]

No, you are all for it when it benefits you.

Call yourself whatever you want, but if you consider yourself dumb because you do it, that's on you.

Will they (you) ?

Lol

I’m the one arguing against tariffs and government intervention. You and your fellow MAGA guys are arguing for more. I’m simply responding to your preferred government policies to win.

Are you bipolar?

 

[530RL]

He cares not for humanity, only his pockets.

A true venture capitalist system pig, who relies on free cheese from his friends in government.

It’s called capitalism. Maybe we can get you a hammer and sickle.

 

[Ultra...Good]

Lol

I’m the one arguing against tariffs and government intervention. You and your fellow MAGA guys are arguing for more.

Are you bipolar?

I'm not arguing for or against anything, just pointing out your blatent lies and inconsistency.

Why do you try to draw me into your petty nonsense?

Are you schizophrenic?

 

[Smitty7]

I'm not arguing for or against anything, just pointing out your blatent lies and inconsistency.

Why do you try to draw me into your petty nonsense?

Are you schizophrenic?

Nooooo . He's bi . He hasn't seen a democrat yet that he wouldn't have sex with . I'd mention Stacey but I don't want to get him all flustered . Have you seen that gay whirly bird picture Regor keeps posting ?

 

[530RL]

I'm not arguing for or against anything, just pointing out your blatent lies and inconsistency.

Why do you try to draw me into your petty nonsense?

Are you schizophrenic?

There is no inconsistency here. Let me be clear.

I’m for less government and a market based economy. But if you or whomever supports greater government control over markets through regulation and higher taxes (tariffs), I will do whatever it takes to win.

It’s that simple. Deliver results and economically win. The consistent goal.

 

[530RL]

Nooooo . He's bi . He hasn't seen a democrat yet that he wouldn't have sex with . I'd mention Stacey but I don't want to get him all flustered .

This is what I love about the P&G and guys like you Regor SNIC and Racey. When you can’t come up with logical rational arguments to defend your support for big government and liberal policies, you resort to these types of comments.

It’s by any rational outside viewer winning for me. Thank you.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Something to consider is that when Canadian lumber goes up due to tariffs, your local mill two miles away will also raise his prices to the new higher market price. He is no fool, he is going to to raise prices to the market price.

I do agree with you that those that are clever, will find a way to profit off this chaos and improve their lives to make even more money. And so that is what we focus on. Every man for themselves.

If someone gets fucked, that is on them. They failed to improvise and overcome. Capitalism at its finest.

Generalizations in my experience are a slippery slope.

It might help you to understand that people in Montana seem to hate money. The ones that are not from California and Texas at least.

I hear this argument that everyone will raise prices. I believe that many will raise prices and take advantage, but I don't think it is fair to assume that everyone will raise prices and increase profits to crazy levels. My local mill prices are very attractive. He was last summer well below market price for a superior quality product. Nominal knot free lumber is pure joy to work with. Extra points when you can order whatever you want. Maybe he increases his market share now that people seek an alternative?

I'm fine with the family that runs it making a fair wage for their labor, risk and investments, but I believe that regulations and insurance costs drive them to raise prices, not greed. Greed is what drove the corporations to offshore jobs to developing nations and shutter many of our countries forms of production in favor of more profits for shareholders.

If the lumber prices are more than I want to pay, I won't build that new porch this year, maybe I'll go fishing instead. BTW I can negotiate with him.

Sometimes outside forces need to shock the system and wake people up from the comfortably numb existence they are living. I doubt many Americans had a clue about the Tariffs other countries imposed on our goods, now they know.

I hope we see continued disruption from Trump. You find out who your friends are in times like these and it appears that some of our party are only fair weather friends who like smoking our weed and drinking our booze, but won't stick around to help clean up. I have a German friend who asked me last week why we are being so mean and why we can't just be nice? I asked him to tell me the last nice thing Germany did for us, since after all we were paying to defend them from the Russian bear pushing on their door. He could not think of anything. I then told him we blew up his pipeline, we are fuckers not to be trusted, he agreed.

 

[Smitty7]

This is what I love about the P&G and guys like you Regor SNIC and Racey. When you can’t come up with logical rational arguments to defend your support for big government and liberal policies, you resort to these types of comments.

It’s by any rational outside viewer winning for me. Thank you.

Well as usual numb nuts I have never defended government or liberal policies . Why do you make shit up ? I'll let the outside viewers make up their own mind . If you think you're winning then good for you . I don't know what you're winning . We're just bullshitting here . You actually believe what you say . I know they are all lying mother fuckers that are on the take . I have no illusions about these people . I don't trust these mother fuckers anymore than I would you .

 

[Sportin' Wood]

There is no inconsistency here. Let me be clear.

I’m for less government and a market based economy. But if you or whomever supports greater government control over markets through regulation and higher taxes (tariffs), I will do whatever it takes to win.

It’s that simple. Deliver results and economically win. The consistent goal.

I'm mostly for being an asshole to the rest of the world, however if the other countries stripped away all forms of tax tariff or import duties, I would see little reason to impose our own.

But we also should not influence their governments to provide stable risk free forms of production. If they are gonna be savages, don't try and domesticate them for corporate production.

Yes, @Smitty7 they are all Fawkers. I agree.