Obamagate -Spy Gate, Obama accused of wiretapping Trump Tower

[500bbc]

Yes, that's how it's legally done.
You're assuming that there are no other ways to do things besides following the letter of the thaw.

We can mind-fuck this thing to death, but no one has any idea how this will ultimately play out.
Time will tell...

Legally, not politically.


If true, nothing about this is the least bit legal.

The Tards would have shown a light on it before the COTUS self immolated.

 

[500bbc]

These Tards are so dumb, and so easily played it's becoming laughable.

Trump has a history of purposely doing things like mispelling words so that these rube journalist still have to play the message he wants, while they get to believe they are getting an easy attack on him by covering the typographical errors. At the end of the day they cover the story he wants, and the media looks like fools for missing the big picture to focus on mis-spelling.

He's been using this same tactic for what, 18 months now, and these idiots still haven't caught on.

Beyond that as to the actual wire taps, These dumbasses will all be chewing soap when the facts come out. By Trump requesting a full investigation he knows that not only will the authorization of the types be scrutinized, so will the entirety of the content within them, forcing the Dems to publicly acknowledge that there is zero link between him and Russia, in a very objective way. Because if there was a shred of proof they would already have leaked it, and Trump would not want any investigation. By not releasing any proof now, he has also played the anti-Trump media to run with the story that these are unsubstantiated accusations, no proof, blah blah blah, even though they ran with Russian hacking the election stories, with no proof, Russian ties to Trump, with no proof, Sexual abuse allegations, with no proof, etc, etc, etc. One again further exposing their inherent bias against him. He will continue waiting out while hack morons like John Oliver crack jokes from their believed high horses, and will chop them down when he does disclose the warrants and extent of the tapping.

Like i said a few days ago, this whole thing is the missing puzzle piece for the Russia narrative, as they used that accusation to (finally) get the FISA warrant in the first place, which multiple prior warrant requests were shot down it appears.

They had to keep pushing the Russia story hoping and praying that something would materialize that would vindicate them for issuing the warrants in the first place, it hasn't, and the warrants will prove to be a complete abuse of executive power that quite frankly is in direct parallel with McCarthyism, using the power of the state to attack your political opponents.

Every day watching these attacks on Trump will continue galvanizing his base, it keeps pulling back the curtains on who has really been pulling the strings in Washington for the last several decades. Finally there is someone with the balls to take on this battle. Every day what used to be consider far fetched conspiracy theories keep looking more and more plausible to more of the mainstream population.

You're divisive!

 

[Old Texan]

Someone is gonna get whacked.

Ohhhhhh, you betcha.....:yikes

It's gonna be big decision time for a lot of the players on cutting a deal, or keeping their mouths shut. On one hand they know how embedded the "system" is and Federal Witness Protection is a leaky vessel. Whacked in bumfuck nowheresville is a real concern. On the other hand the same system isn't trusting and silent or not, getting whacked is highly likely for those with the most dirt to sell.

Utopia has turned to hell for those who got caught up in the big league game.:skull

 

[530RL]

Did you miss my Clapper post? :rules

Nope.

Trump accused Obama of engaging in wire tapping of his phones. The simple solution is for Trump to release his proof. Trump did not say he suspects it, he flat out said Obama did it.

Release the evidence so this can be resolved.

 

[regor]

Nope.

Trump accused Obama of engaging in wire tapping of his phones. The simple solution is for Trump to release his proof. Trump did not say he suspects it, he flat out said Obama did it.

Release the evidence so this can be resolved.

Due time boy, due time and I'll tell you this, Big Bird, Flapper and Lorenzo Neal have problems.

Obama will skate, but history will cement his fate as the worst ever. :thumbsup

With that said, you still didn't answer why you included a link to a lying piece of shit, that we all know is lying again. :hmm

Are your handlers McStain & The Flake safe?

 

[Racey]

If Trump's accusation is true that Obama personally ordered, and individuals acting on their own or some branch of government under Obama's instructions, specifically "tapped" Trump's phones in his personal office and residence at the Trump Tower as alleged, a lot of people are going to jail as there is no FISA granted authority and as such, this alleged crime by Obama would be as big or bigger than Watergate. Congress would be tied up for a year in hearings over this matter like Watergate was on every day in the 70's on live national TV.

This is not the typical type of Trump allegation, this is a very serious allegation that will be investigated and if the Democrats truly believe it is false, they will want a very detailed investigation. The knife could cut either way with this allegation.

But at the end of the day, I do not understand how Trump's "strategy" is gonna help him move his aggressive agenda through Congress and achieve measurable results for his base with all this side stuff burning time and resources?

[video=youtube;jBpOCsG1r54]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBpOCsG1r54[/video]

They will hide behind the FISA, and Patriot act, this is the entire reason they made such a big deal of the Russia accusations, they used them as the justification under FISA to get the warrants, to get a FISA warrant all you need is to accuse someone of working with foreign agents, there have only been a handful of FISA warrants denied out of the thousands upon thousands requested over the last 30 years, it's a rubber stamp system for the most part, and runs completely hidden from scrutiny and oversight for the most part....

This is a prime example of over-reaching and abused legislation.

 

[regor]

This is a prime example of over-reaching and abused legislation.

And a prime example of the Deep State Shadow Government.


Conspiracy Theorist!!!!!!! :yikes

 

[530RL]

Are your handlers McStain & The Flake safe?

McCain was just re-elected so he is fine for 6 years.

Flake is going to have stress from the Alt-right in the Primary. If he loses the primary, most local money will move to Kyrsten Sinema if she runs but no one knows if she is gonna give up her safe house seat.

They will hide behind the FISA, and Patriot act, this is the entire reason they made such a big deal of the Russia accusations, they used them as the justification under FISA to get the warrants, to get a FISA warrant all you need is to accuse someone of working with foreign agents, there have only been a handful of FISA warrants denied out of the thousands upon thousands requested over the last 30 years, it's a rubber stamp system for the most part, and runs completely hidden from scrutiny and oversight for the most part....

This is a prime example of over-reaching and abused legislation.

Well then he should present the facts and evidence as it will allow him to make the argument to legislatively over-turn many of these over-reaching laws and it will lead to greater protection of personal privacy.

 

[regor]

McCain was just re-elected so he is fine for 6 years.

Flake is going to have stress from the Alt-right in the Primary. If he loses the primary, most local money will move to Kyrsten Sinema if she runs but no one knows if she is gonna give up her safe house seat.

And you say you're not a tard! Handcuffs boy, handcuffs!!!!

Well then he should present the facts and evidence as it will allow him to make the argument to legislatively over-turn many of these over-reaching laws and it will lead to greater protection of personal privacy.

Play by the rules, play by the rules! :loser:

Thank God Trump came along and you nevertrumpers were exposed for the traitors you are!! You and your ilk would have loved a Satan presidency and the destruction that would have ensued. :thumbsdown

 

[HotRod82]

Just an FYI for everyone following this story, Rush Limbaugh (whom I typically don't care for) laid out a very informative timeline and sequence of events leading up to where we are. I'm sure you can find it online but in a nutshell he reported there were 2 completely different warrants. One was a criminal (FBI) investigation into Trump and others for banking connections with the Russians, this was a non FISA warrant. They found NOTHING under this warrant and it expired. After they found nothing criminal, the Obama justice department made Trump a national security case which can be ordered and controlled by the president unlike the criminal probe which the president technically has no control over. They petitioned the FISA court and were rejected twice, the third petition was accepted and they were granted a warrant to wiretap although the details are classified. IMO, if there are no indictments resulting from the criminal or FISA warrants, the Obama justice department has some serious explaining to do.

Trump as President should be able to declassify the warrants correct?

 

[530RL]

Just an FYI for everyone following this story, Rush Limbaugh (whom I typically don't care for) laid out a very informative timeline and sequence of events leading up to where we are. I'm sure you can find it online but in a nutshell he reported there were 2 completely different warrants. One was a criminal (FBI) investigation into Trump and others for banking connections with the Russians, this was a non FISA warrant. They found NOTHING under this warrant and it expired. After they found nothing criminal, the Obama justice department made Trump a national security case which can be ordered and controlled by the president unlike the criminal probe which the president technically has no control over. They petitioned the FISA court and were rejected twice, the third petition was accepted and they were granted a warrant to wiretap although the details are classified. IMO, if there are no indictments resulting from the criminal or FISA warrants, the Obama justice department has some serious explaining to do.

Trump as President should be able to declassify the warrants correct?

Correct. He is President so he can do so.

Let's see the evidence as opposed to the Tweets. If it is as Rush has outlined, Trump should release it and make his point with full credibility.

 

[500bbc]

The last admin is the most crooked in our country's history, without a doubt the Talking Turd's fingerprints are all over this.

He will slip by though, the propaganda hordes at his finger tips will protect him to the end.

Without the press Watergate would have been a two bit burglary.

Pretzel boy, drop him a line and tell him you MUST know what he knows STAT!:lmao

 

[500bbc]

Nothing to see here...nothing at all...


Drawing on sources including the New York Times and the Washington Post, Levin described the case against Obama so far, based on what is already publicly known. The following is an expanded version of that case, including events that Levin did not mention specifically but are important to the overall timeline.


1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

2. July: Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton?s own missing emails, joking: ?Russia, if you?re listening, I hope you?re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.? That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.

3. October: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.

4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found ? but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.
5. January 2017: Buzzfeed/CNN dossier. Buzzfeed releases, and CNN reports, a supposed intelligence ?dossier? compiled by a foreign former spy. It purports to show continuous contact between Russia and the Trump campaign, and says that the Russians have compromising information about Trump. None of the allegations can be verified and some are proven false. Several media outlets claim that they had been aware of the dossier for months and that it had been circulating in Washington.

6. January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration ?expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government?s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.? The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.

7. January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies ? the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties. Other news outlets also report the exisentence of ?a multiagency working group to coordinate investigations across the government,? though it is unclear how they found out, since the investigations would have been secret and involved classified information.

8. February: Mike Flynn scandal. Reports emerge that the FBI intercepted a conversation in 2016 between future National Security Adviser Michael Flynn ? then a private citizen ? and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The intercept supposedly was part of routine spying on the ambassador, not monitoring of the Trump campaign. The FBI transcripts reportedly show the two discussing Obama?s newly-imposed sanctions on Russia, though Flynn earlier denied discussing them. Sally Yates, whom Trump would later fire as acting Attorney General for insubordination, is involved in the investigation. In the end, Flynn resigns over having misled Vice President Mike Pence (perhaps inadvertently) about the content of the conversation.

9. February: Times claims extensive Russian contacts. The New York Times cites ?four current and former American officials? in reporting that the Trump campaign had ?repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials. The Trump campaign denies the claims ? and the Times admits that there is ?no evidence? of coordination between the campaign and the Russians. The White House and some congressional Republicans begin to raise questions about illegal intelligence leaks.

10. March: the Washington Post targets Jeff Sessions. The Washington Post reports that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had contact twice with the Russian ambassador during the campaign ? once at a Heritage Foundation event and once at a meeting in Sessions?s Senate office. The Post suggests that the two meetings contradict Sessions?s testimony at his confirmation hearings that he had no contacts with the Russians, though in context (not presented by the Post) it was clear he meant in his capacity as a campaign surrogate, and that he was responding to claims in the ?dossier? of ongoing contacts. The New York Times, in covering the story, adds that the Obama White House ?rushed to preserve? intelligence related to alleged Russian links with the Trump campaign. By ?preserve? it really means ?disseminate?: officials spread evidence throughout other government agencies ?to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators? and perhaps the media as well.


Just nonsense, the democrats are much too honest and honorable to engage in such activities.

 

[Hullbilly]

Whichever tard was shooting off about a donation, don't delay... log in here http://www.greenberetfoundation.org/ and donate that $1,000. The rats are scurrying....

 

[500bbc]

Bodies are gonna drop....

This is fucking YUGE.

 

[spectra3279]

[video=youtube_https;04F4xlWSFh0]https://youtu.be/04F4xlWSFh0[/video]

 

[530RL]

4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found ? but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services..

Since this all "public" according to your post, the President should produce a copy of this request and proof of the wiretaps. He is the President, he has the power to do so if they happened.

I am not arguing that they did or did not, I am arguing that if this is true, his evidence should be made available to the citizens.

Enough with innuendo and suspicion. Let's see the facts and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[500bbc]

Since this all "public" according to your post, the President should produce a copy of this request and proof of the wiretaps. He is the President, he has the power to do so if they happened.

I am not arguing that they did or did not, I am arguing that if this is true, his evidence should be made available to the citizens.

Enough with innuendo and suspicion. Let's see the facts and let the chips fall where they may.

Can you get the Talking Turd to come clean on Fast and Furious, IRS, Benghazi, running guns to ISIS and his bathhouse escapades at the same time?

 

[Grandpa mac]

Mighty cocky considering your posting on blind faith...you know nothing more about it than anyone else here including myself.
The difference is you fail to allow yourself to imagine a scenario where O would operate outside of the law, where as others consider it his primary MO...considering his entire life and existence consists of lies based on lies.

No, not blind faith. Also the word of the director of the FBI Comey, the former Director of National Intelligence Clapper, Trey Gowdey, John McCain, Paul Ryan and all the others saying this appears to be BS. And that list includes the Heat Street columnist cited by Trump who says her article DOES NOT support Trump's claim. He and Mark Levin have flat out fabricated this BS and it is going to blow up in their faces- not that any of you die hard Trump supporters will care or even admit remembering this when the White House stops talking about the latest embarrassment.

 

[Grandpa mac]

Don't take that bet WTG! We all know that the ONLY way PaPa here will accept being proven wrong is with a conviction. Cause if someone isn't convicted, they didn't do it. OJ is his biggest supporter!

Trump is alleging an illegal wiretap, so yeah a conviction would be a good piece of vidence supporting that claim. And since his party controls all three branches of the Federal government I don't think that is an unreasonably high bar. But guess what, even the Republicans in Congress are largely saying WTF about these crazy allegations. This will not convince anybody other than Trump, Mark Levin, the hacks at Breitbart, and the good folks at RDP who hated Hillary enough to accept a deal with the Devil.

 

[Grandpa mac]

Didn't the Obama administration get into hot water for listening/tapping into Angela Merkel's phone conversation just a little while ago? What say you, GrandPa?

Yep- Germany does not enjoy any 4th Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure. Every US citizen including Trump does. If one of our intelligence agencies got a warrant (which they would need to get the phone companies cooperation), they got it by giving a judge probable cause that somebody in Trumps circle broke a pretty serious law.

 

[Grandpa mac]

Trump offers the rope and the Dems, backed by their media buddies, tie it into the noose with which they hang themselves, out in the open, with the public following along to the last chapter.

The irony to the scenario Racey points out, is Sessions will be cleared and in charge of prosecution. It's gonna be a bitch to escape without DOJ support in the back pocket. In fact Loretta may even get to sit with her lawyer to do some "splainin'".....This could get really really good.:skull

The one thing that tells us this wiretapping deal is real is, the lack of the media piling on the stories. Even the resident tards are less than their pushy selves. We're seeing too much calm before the storm for there not to be worries in Tardsville......:yikes

And when the dam breaks, how many involved are gonna sit and take the medicine? Deals will be cut for the rank and file.

Dude, I promise I am absolutely gleeful over this story. Trump has shown his party he is completely unhinged. His FBI director has asked Justice to publicly repudiate him. Conservative darlings like Trey Gowdy are saying this is BS. Yeah, it's gonna get VERY entertaining and I am peeing my pants with excitement as Trump embarrasses himself over this nonsense!

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Trump is alleging an illegal wiretap, so yeah a conviction would be a good piece of vidence supporting that claim. And since his party controls all three branches of the Federal government I don't think that is an unreasonably high bar. But guess what, even the Republicans in Congress are largely saying WTF about these crazy allegations. This will not convince anybody other than Trump, Mark Levin, the hacks at Breitbart, and the good folks at RDP who hated Hillary enough to accept a deal with the Devil.

No you old fart, we voted in Trump to AVOID a deal with the Devil.

 

[Grandpa mac]

Correct. He is President so he can do so.

Let's see the evidence as opposed to the Tweets. If it is as Rush has outlined, Trump should release it and make his point with full credibility.

Bingo.

 

[Grandpa mac]

For those of you who get all their fake news from Levin, Limbaugh, and Breitbart, here is what Gowdy, Chaffetz, Cotton and other conservatives are saying about Trump's latest fantasy.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-wiretapping-republicans-congress-235740

 

[was thatguy]

Dude, I promise I am absolutely gleeful over this story. Trump has shown his party he is completely unhinged. His FBI director has asked Justice to publicly repudiate him. Conservative darlings like Trey Gowdy are saying this is BS. Yeah, it's gonna get VERY entertaining and I am peeing my pants with excitement as Trump embarrasses himself over this nonsense!

Nonsense...noted.

I have a feeling you'll be eating crow before this is all over...much like Nov. 9th.

 

[HST4ME]

The race was.the demotards to lose. They pulled out every filthy trick in the book and then some. Resorted to the race card, sexism card,homo card, bullshit card, inane fucking idiot media card, hysteria card and still lost. Fuck you idiots and your shit hole obama. Cheeto FTW.:bowdown:

 

[pronstar]

The race was.the demotards to lose. They pulled out every filthy trick in the book and then some. Resorted to the race card, sexism card,homo card, bullshit card, inane fucking idiot media card, hysteria card and still lost. Fuck you idiots and your shit hole obama. Cheeto FTW.:bowdown:

The crazy thing is, a black and white photo of JFK taped to lifeless mannequin would have beaten Trump.

Yet here we are.

 

[78Southwind]

[video=youtube;KcJFVVPUiVA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcJFVVPUiVA[/video]

 

[Grandpa mac]

Nonsense...noted.

I have a feeling you'll be eating crow before this is all over...much like Nov. 9th.

Well if so, I'll share it with Marco Rubio, Trey Gowdy, John McCain, John Thune, Tom Cotton, Paul Ryan and all the others who are shaking their heads in sheer bewilderment that Trump would assert something like this without offering one shred of evidence. But then why should he? This guy road birtherism straight to the White House.

 

[was thatguy]

Well if so, I'll share it with Marco Rubio, Trey Gowdy, John McCain, John Thune, Tom Cotton, Paul Ryan and all the others who are shaking their heads in sheer bewilderment that Trump would assert something like this without offering one shred of evidence. But then why should he? This guy road birtherism straight to the White House.

Is that your list of "serious Republicans"?

News flash Mac Daddy...none of those names put Trump in the WH...
He is a threat to both sides...which is really one side.
That's why I voted for him.

You seem to place a LOT of your opinion and conclusions on what other people think.

Please define "birtherism".

BTW, You misused the word "road"...it should be "rode".
Can I expect these types of grammatical errors in your book?

 

[regor]

Since this all "public" according to your post, the President should produce a copy of this request and proof of the wiretaps. He is the President, he has the power to do so if they happened.

I am not arguing that they did or did not, I am arguing that if this is true, his evidence should be made available to the citizens.

Enough with innuendo and suspicion. Let's see the facts and let the chips fall where they may.

It will come out one way or another with due time. Where did the bullshit Sessions story go?:headscratch:

 

[Outdrive1]

Please define "birtherism".

BTW, You misuded the word "road"...it should be "rode".
Can I expect these types of grammatical errors in your book?

No way did he "misuded" a word. Lmao.

 

[RitcheyRch]

Wikileaks Vault 7 at 0900am this morning....I have a feeling all hell is about to break loose..

 

[regor]

Wikileaks Vault 7 at 0900am this morning....I have a feeling all hell is about to break loose..

Pizza, pizza

 

[Grandpa mac]

Is that your list of "serious Republicans"?

News flash Mac Daddy...none of those names put Trump in the WH...
He is a threat to both sides...which is really one side.
That's why I voted for him.

You seem to place a LOT of your opinion and conclusions on what other people think.

Please define "birtherism".

BTW, You misuded the word "road"...it should be "rode".
Can I expect these types of grammatical errors in your book?

Even Trey Gowdy who lead the investigation into Benghazi and Tom Cotton? Regardless, Trump can't govern alone- he kneads allies in Congress too pass an agenda. Won by won he's showing them he's to crazy too partner with and that puts his/your agenda at risk. I appreciate you're editing my typos- dam iPhones often due what they want. Gave ewe a treasure hunt of gnu typos two find. For teen plus.

Birtherism = https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/birtherism

 

[500bbc]

Since this all "public" according to your post, the President should produce a copy of this request and proof of the wiretaps. He is the President, he has the power to do so if they happened.

I am not arguing that they did or did not, I am arguing that if this is true, his evidence should be made available to the citizens.

Enough with innuendo and suspicion. Let's see the facts and let the chips fall where they may.

I thought you were an attorney?

 

[Sandlord]

[video]https://www.facebook.com/myiannopoulos/videos/860989884038908/[/video]

 

[rivrrts429]

I have no idea how accurate Trumps recent statement is and don't have an opinion either way until we learn more.

What I do find interesting is the amount of people who completely deny any possibility of Trumps allegation having any credibility.

The previous administration is one that tried to cover up the Benghazi debacle to the American citizen by blaming a YouTube video. Going so far as to brainstorm a set of bullet points that the talking heads were to adhere to so all didn't waiver in their statements. This is also an administration that was running guns across the U.S. and Mexico border which resulted in the death of a federal officer.

There are other examples but these are extreme ways to go out of their way to mislead the average citizen. On both examples they utilized their media allies to play their narrative over and over hoping it would stick and go away.

With all rumors there is a level of truth buried within. I'm not going to be quick to poke holes in Trumps statement. Every time I think he's lost his mind he seems to back it up at some level. Time will tell...

 

[was thatguy]

No way did he "misuded" a word. Lmao.

Son of a bitch...:grumble:

 

[regor]

I have no idea how accurate Trumps recent statement is and don't have an opinion either way until we learn more.

What I do find interesting is the amount of people who completely deny any possibility of Trumps allegation having any credibility.

The previous administration is one that tried to cover up the Benghazi debacle to the American citizen by blaming a YouTube video. Going so far as to brainstorm a set of bullet points that the talking heads were to adhere to so all didn't waiver in their statements. This is also an administration that was running guns across the U.S. and Mexico border which resulted in the death of a federal officer.

There are other examples but these are extreme ways to go out of their way to mislead the average citizen. On both examples they utilized their media allies to play their narrative over and over hoping it would stick and go away.

With all rumors there is a level of truth buried within. I'm not going to be quick to poke holes in Trumps statement. Every time I think he's lost his mind he seems to back it up at some level. Time will tell...

What, are you un-American?!!!!

The police state would NEVER spy on their own citizens and if someone made a claim to that effect, I DEMAND proof immediately!!!






In other news, today Wikileaks exposed how the police state errrrrrrrrr:grumble: CIA spies on all of us. :thumbsup


And all the pretzels scream...........................YEAH!!! :drnkfr

 

[was thatguy]

Even Trey Gowdy who lead the investigation into Benghazi and Tom Cotton? Regardless, Trump can't govern alone- he kneads allies in Congress too pass an agenda. Won by won he's showing them he's to crazy too partner with and that puts his/your agenda at risk. I appreciate you're editing my typos- dam iPhones often due what they want. Gave ewe a treasure hunt of gnu typos two find. For teen plus.

Birtherism = https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/birtherism

Can't argue about the Iphone, drives me crazy when it keeps changing my words.:grumble:

Birtherism... So in 10 years I have never once claimed that O was born anywhere else but where his photoshopped BC says he was born.

Most of the people I know of that recognize the official document as a hacked out, multi-layered piece of garbage (with more errors on it than yours or mine worst Iphone posts) do not actually question the State of Birth as Hawaii.
I feel that has been promoted as a diversion from the actual reason for the chop, which is the disguising of his birth father.
So...why do I get called a birther?

 

[DILLIGAF]

This is all fascinating to me as it rolls out in real time.

Just when you think Trump is going off on the deep end he pulls it
Off.

Maybe its time to recognize he actually has a "Method to the Madness".

I believe tapping was done, is done on us all and it is now easier for other gov agencies to share this info. This was done by Obama as he left office.

I also believe that Trump should not provide proof himself. Let the investigation take its
Course so it is a consensus on what happened.

Makes me sick to see the Lynch video. Its nothing more than a rallying call to disrupt. Isnt inciting riots against the law?

Thats how I see all of this.

 

[was thatguy]

 

[Outdrive1]

My guess is that the Russian ambassador was being tapped and he talked to someone from inside trump tower. So technically Trump and his campaign weren't the targets of a wire tap yet they were taped on a call. That's his evidence and it's the reason he won't release his evidence. He's always been the master of spin and diversion.

Technically he didn't lie in this situation but there was no wrong doing on Obamas part either. Trump will use it to his advantage however.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Gonna be a good ride. Very interesting issues at play.


Is it reasonable to investigate someone suspected of colluding with a foreign power to sway or influence a US election?

What if there is proof of collusion with a foreign entity (Russia) ?

What if there was no collusion but there was communication and proof of it leading to perjury ?

Would a legal or illegal wiretapping be worse or better than collusion with the Russians or "almost" enough but not quite enough to call it collusion?

What if a legal and allowable wiretap showed nothing?


Lot of twists and turns to this road, going to follow it closely.

UD

 

[Old Texan]

Gonna be a good ride. Very interesting issues at play.


Is it reasonable to investigate someone suspected of colluding with a foreign power to sway or influence a US election?

What if there is proof of collusion with a foreign entity (Russia) ?

What if there was no collusion but there was communication and proof of it leading to perjury ?

Would a legal or illegal wiretapping be worse or better than collusion with the Russians or "almost" enough but not quite enough to call it collusion?

What if a legal and allowable wiretap showed nothing?


Lot of twists and turns to this road, going to follow it closely.

UD

What I can't get a firm grip upon, is how it's been determined the Russians even posed any kind of threat to the US election. The emails leaked by Wiki were at least in part hacked by the Russians or someone. But they were hacked from unsecured servers. Content was damaging to HRC's actions and those of the DNC and others. But all it was at the end of the day, more information among so much else.

True interference in the election at the polls never happened. It's all more media blather at the end of the day.

And then the fact Soros groups have spread far more derogatory information against any Dem opponent is just glossed over. The Dems are raising this ridiculous shitstrom because it's working and they can get away with it.

Now the wire tapping and misuse of government resources is a whole different issue and this will be and should be the legal focus into wrongdoing which can be proven to some extent. This will be the Watergate of this century and should be taken seriously.

Trump gets all the blame and negative press, but this whole deal is on the Dems from the beginning. It's what has turned their party upside down and yet so many of them can't see the facts of it being that way. The evidence shows how the Bern was removed from contention, then bought off. Yet where are the cries from his supporters? Too busy bad mouthing Trump when it was the DNC and HRC that fucked the Bern.

To me Trump is allowing the whole thing to come to light while he keeps some distance. If it happens this way, the nation will see just where the corruption originates and maybe some of the blind on the left will even wake up to the fact of who is actually screwing them......But who knows as it's well proven, you just cannot fix stupid.

 

[spectras only]

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/07/technology/wikileaks-cia-hacking/

CIA frames other hackers: The CIA rules say that its hackers must use cyberweapons in a way that can't get traced back to the "CIA, U.S. government, or its witting partner companies," according to WikiLeaks.

 

[regor]

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/07/technology/wikileaks-cia-hacking/

CIA frames other hackers: The CIA rules say that its hackers must use cyberweapons in a way that can't get traced back to the "CIA, U.S. government, or its witting partner companies," according to WikiLeaks.

The moral of the story.............you can't trust a damn thing that comes out of the IC.

Trump owns them now!!!!!!!!! :skull

 

[Grandpa mac]

I have no idea how accurate Trumps recent statement is and don't have an opinion either way until we learn more.

What I do find interesting is the amount of people who completely deny any possibility of Trumps allegation having any credibility.

The previous administration is one that tried to cover up the Benghazi debacle to the American citizen by blaming a YouTube video. Going so far as to brainstorm a set of bullet points that the talking heads were to adhere to so all didn't waiver in their statements. This is also an administration that was running guns across the U.S. and Mexico border which resulted in the death of a federal officer.

There are other examples but these are extreme ways to go out of their way to mislead the average citizen. On both examples they utilized their media allies to play their narrative over and over hoping it would stick and go away.

With all rumors there is a level of truth buried within. I'm not going to be quick to poke holes in Trumps statement. Every time I think he's lost his mind he seems to back it up at some level. Time will tell...

You know the ATF started "walking" guns during the Bush Administration, right? Obviously the death of that agent is tragic, but I've never understood the criticism of ATFs tactics. The DEA and other have used similar tactics (sell contraband and then follow it up the food chain) for years. It's how that get the guys calling the shots rather than just the street level thugs. Here's a book recommendation if you want to read some crazy shit- "No Angel" by ATF agent Jay Dobyns. You bastards are all crazy, but you've got nothing on this guy. At least read the summary on Amazon.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal