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I passed the K's towing this thing toward LA......somebody is going to be looking at it....
 

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The water breaks just past the open bow. It can't carry the nose. I'd say the x is way high. They tried a three inch spacer and it's still too high.
If the X is to high and they used a 3 inch spacer and it's not enough do they make a bigger spacer and if they don't do they have fill all the holes and re-rig the motor and the drive? :eek
 

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If the X is to high and they used a 3 inch spacer and it's not enough do they make a bigger spacer and if they don't do they have fill all the holes and re-rig the motor and the drive? :eek

I think that would be a good place to start.
 

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How about taking an imco 12" setback / 3" up and flipping it over or around, doing a little fab on it to get the steering hardware to mount?

http://www.cpperformance.com/p-1390...line-and-3-raised-inner-transom-assembly.aspx

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Em over because of the transom angle in the front of the box. That being said I am not sure what's on it but I believe the box is not neutral.. Imco may make different boxes, maybe even one with some drop?

Sure would be easier to solve the x with a different box then a rerig..
 

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Not sure you can flip
Em over because of the transom angle in the front of the box. That being said I am not sure what's on it but I believe the box is not neutral.. Imco may make different boxes, maybe even one with some drop?

Sure would be easier to solve the x with a different box then a rerig..
I sure hope they figure it out the boat looks bad ass it sucks that the owner has to go thru this! The pictures of the boat are awesome!!!
 

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Not that I'm an expert, just spit ballin here.. Wouldn't adding steps make the boat want to ride nose heavy with the belly tanks throwing off the CG too much.
It's a shame seeing that boat look so bad ass and not perform. Reminds me of that crazy daytona with the Arneson. Probably be money ahead if you just flipped it over and matched the proven straight bottom.
 

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My resolution would be drop the boat off at GT Performance and have them figure it out. It's their motor and their mods to bottom and should be their priority since money has already been spent. Why a boat would be delivered with such problems seems odd to me. I'm sure they have enough business ethic to make a wrong right. Especially since they are such a large name in the boating industry and wouldn't want this boat and all of it's problems mar their reputation for handling great customers. This boat should have been a game changer for them. Not something for them to walk away from. Why would a customer be left with the responsibility of solving the problem?

This kind of goes to the argument in the Cheetah thread. The boat manufacturer is Hallett. They should be helping with the situation as well. Customer's pay the experts to build these things because they themselves as "Customers" are not experts. I don't give a shit if it's a one off, new technology, hasn't been tried before boat. The customer should never be left with something that flat out didn't work and have to fix it. Number one it's dangerous and number two what a fuckin' rip off!! Would this have been handled in the same manner if someone outside of these companies built this boat for a customer?

Did neither Hallett or GT even test it? This boat should be at Desert Storm pulling ooohs and ahhs with the boat and engine builders names plastered on the side. Instead it's sitting on a trailer with the owner and a bunch of non expert arm chair quarter back boaters figuring out the problem. If one of our members comes up with a resolution before GT or Hallett, I'd have to say shame on both of these brands.
 

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No doubt GT should make it right, but it's fun to speculate and arm chair this thing until I figure out the fix first. :D
 

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I agree with the above. Who ever did the modification to the bottom of the hull [ also configured where the CG should be ] should take care of the problem.
1300HP and can't push this barge past bow plowing:rolleyes. Friend of mine who designed his boats with a naval architect's aide had a problem with his first step placement on his 24 Adriatic that he had to change to make it work. So what's the problem, why can't the owner get the builders involved to find out why the boat can't carry the bow:rolleyes
 

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The boat is back at GT now, and it will stay there until it's fixed and or the power is removed and put in something else. Won't have any updates for awhile.


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This is a one off custom boat.....

I don't think hallet should have anything to do with the fix unless thay had something to do with the bottom work.

Why did they modify the bottom?

Seems like a huge gamble and I don't care what anyone says even a genius in boat/Step design could fuck this program up 8 out of 10 times.

Gt deffinatley needs to step up if they desined the bottom and handled the work. Smart $$ is almost doing what someone else suggested and just do the standard 27 bottom.
 

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The boat is back at GT now, and it will stay there until it's fixed and or the power is removed and put in something else. Won't have any updates for awhile.


RD

I hope the owner doesn't go outside and figure out its the beginning of boating season lol

Hard to speculate or point the finger if we're not privy to what the customer and builder agreed to.

I hope they get it figured out before the end of the prime boating season.
 

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I hope it gets sorted out...beautiful boat and a great owner.

I do know that the step bottom 270s have been challenging to make work well in the past.
 

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The boat is back at GT now, and it will stay there until it's fixed and or the power is removed and put in something else. Won't have any updates for awhile.


RD

AWESOME :thumbup::thumbup:
A huge thumbs up to GT Performance for stepping up and being a great company :thumbsup
 

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I hope the owner doesn't go outside and figure out its the beginning of boating season lol

Hard to speculate or point the finger if we're not privy to what the customer and builder agreed to.

I hope they get it figured out before the end of the prime boating season.

Luckily the owner has another boat to use this boating season if need be ;)
 

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I hope it gets sorted out...beautiful boat and a great owner.

I do know that the step bottom 270s have been challenging to make work well in the past.
What are the problems with 27 step bottoms or step bottoms in general? I have a 25 Howard and it's a step bottom it handles great but I've only been in the 80s with it!!
 

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So saddle tanks, new box, longer lower unit? Lol. If you're going to change the box, just fill the holes and get the proper x from Hallett. Once the motor and transom are out it's just fiberglass work.
 

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The boat is coming back this weekend with a new prop and a spacer in the lower. Looks like one last try is coming.
 

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What are the problems with 27 step bottoms or step bottoms in general? I have a 25 Howard and it's a step bottom it handles great but I've only been in the 80s with it!!

Was only referring to the 270. I'm not saying this was done but a lot of manufacturers will arbitrarily throw steps in without doing all of the work to make sure they are in the right place are using the best number of steps don't make them too deep or too long. I'm no expert but I would say there is a ton of engineering and r & d to get it right.
 

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The boat is coming back this weekend with a new prop and a spacer in the lower. Looks like one last try is coming.

Sounds like a half-assed "band-aid" fix to a much bigger problem.
 

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Spacer, tabs higher, and a hydro "x" five blade should do it:thumbup:
 

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The boat is coming back this weekend with a new prop and a spacer in the lower. Looks like one last try is coming.

After reading through the thread, I'm baffled as to why it's going back to the river for one last try. It should be either A) The boat is fixed and tested by us, come pick it up and have fun or B) It's not done yet.
 

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Sounds Like GT really stepped up as they are offering to let this owner use a 30' while the bugs are being worked out :thumbsup
 

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Sounds Like GT really stepped up as they are offering to let this owner use a 30' while the bugs are being worked out :thumbsup

As they should. Glad to hear they are stepping up.
 

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This is a one off custom boat.....

I don't think hallet should have anything to do with the fix unless thay had something to do with the bottom work.

Why did they modify the bottom?

Seems like a huge gamble and I don't care what anyone says even a genius in boat/Step design could fuck this program up 8 out of 10 times.

Gt deffinatley needs to step up if they desined the bottom and handled the work. Smart $$ is almost doing what someone else suggested and just do the standard 27 bottom.

Well upon closer examination there is some question on whether the bottom was modified or not. I never got a chance to look at them side by side to another single step, but I do not believe (now) that it was modified.

AWESOME :thumbup::thumbup:
A huge thumbs up to GT Performance for stepping up and being a great company :thumbsup

I hope they get it worked out..

RD
 

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Back to the boat. Belly tank right ? 100 gallon tank ?

Has it been ran with very little gas in it to see if it will carry the nose better, or not plow ?

We had an issue in the 240 years ago.

The boat felt REALLY heavy and plowed. Didn't matter what you did. Couldn't figure it out, it always ran fine with no issues for years. I pulled the floors out of the boat and realized that water was getting trapped between the rear engine bay bulkhead and the front bulkhead(belly tank area) under the floorboards. There was no drain hole or plug to let the water out from that area, except for the outside corners of the bulkhead. I drilled a hole in the bottom of the bulkhead on the engine bay side and the water was able to drain out. Now I put a drain plug in that hole and pull it out when we are done boating. Never figured out where the water came from. Only thing we could figure out is it was from a rain storm we got caught in at mead and we took probably a dozen swells over the front of the boat a season or two before and possibly people getting in soaking wet over the last 10+ years of owning the boat.

Any how, it fixed the problem. So maybe the new bottom won't work with all the weight of a belly tank ?
 

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Back to the boat. Belly tank right ? 100 gallon tank ?

Has it been ran with very little gas in it to see if it will carry the nose better, or not plow ?

We had an issue in the 240 years ago.

There was no drain hole or plug to let the water out from that area, except for the outside corners of the bulkhead. I drilled a hole in the bottom of the bulkhead on the engine bay side and the water was able to drain out. Now I put a drain plug in that hole and pull it out when we are done boating.
Any how, it fixed the problem. So maybe the new bottom won't work with all the weight of a belly tank ?

CG definitely will shift if excessive water builds up in the hull where it shouldn't.:rolleyes I'm surprised that Halletts didn't have drain tubes installed in every bulkhead. I have a drain tube in the cabin bulkhead with removable plug in case water got in the cabin with door or deck hatches left open in a downpour.
 

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CG definitely will shift if excessive water builds up in the hull where it shouldn't.:rolleyes I'm surprised that Halletts didn't have drain tubes installed in every bulkhead. I have a drain tube in the cabin bulkhead with removable plug in case water got in the cabin with door or deck hatches left open in a downpour.

Funny you say that. My Eliminator got rained on once and the front ski locker loaded up with water. The ski locker travels all the way to the center of the boat. It took me forever to get all the water out with a shop vac. It can't be drained any other way. Kind of a lack of thought by the boat builder IMO.
 

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Here on the wetcoast you wouldn't want a boat without drain holes through the bulkheads all the way to the bilge where the auto bilge pump could take care of such event.Matter of fact there are usually two bilge pumps just in case one fries:D
 

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CG definitely will shift if excessive water builds up in the hull where it shouldn't.:rolleyes I'm surprised that Halletts didn't have drain tubes installed in every bulkhead. I have a drain tube in the cabin bulkhead with removable plug in case water got in the cabin with door or deck hatches left open in a downpour.

Well. Me too, they may have them in the newer models, can't be certain though. Ours is a 1990. I should've taken pictures, I was working on it over the weekend. In the cabin area of a closed bow there isn't a floor per SE , I can lift up the bed cushions and visually see the bottom of the boat(the carpet anyway) if it filled up with water in the cabin area I'd see it when I looked or the carpet would be wet just in front of the cabin bulkhead. That's what made me pull the teak floors up. Fixed the issue though. :thumbup: :) . I was proud of myself ! :D
 

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Here on the wetcoast you wouldn't want a boat without drain holes through the bulkheads all the way to the bilge where the auto bilge pump could take care of such event.Matter of fact there are usually two bilge pumps just in case one fries:D

If I ever build a new 24' plus V It will have a hole in Every bulkhead or a continuos tube that runs along the keel and into the engine bay, or bilge pump In between every bulkhead, or both ! Lol
 

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The boat is back at GT now, and it will stay there until it's fixed and or the power is removed and put in something else. Won't have any updates for awhile.


RD

Good luck with that "Making it Right" deal... I'll save my smart ass comments and reference the motor build post Mitch should be doing soon fixing all the crap wrong with my motor.... :monkeypee
 

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I saw it on the river Saturday. Did everything get worked out?
 

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Better or worse?

I thought I saw Gary in it, but I'm going blind.

Couldn't tell you, it was my first time in it. We all had an absolute blast though!

Edit: it was my second time in it... Don't remember the first time :D
 

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Couldn't tell you, it was my first time in it. We all had an absolute blast though!

Edit: it was my second time in it... Don't remember the first time :D

I passed you (maybe) at Devils elbow you northbound, me southbound. I started to turn around, but I wasn't sure if Gary was onboard, and didn't want it to be awkward.

I'd love to check it out on the water.
 

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I passed you (maybe) at Devils elbow you northbound, me southbound. I started to turn around, but I wasn't sure if Gary was onboard, and didn't want it to be awkward.

I'd love to check it out on the water.

It's a beautiful boat for sure!
 

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That's a good question. The short answer is No.
 

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I haven't talked to the owner in sometime, but I heard that GT was forced to take the boat back, Owner got his $$ back, and now they are going to put a mild motor in it (525'ish?) and sell it to another buddy of mine. The boat will be fine with a mild motor, just won't work for big top end speeds.

RD
 

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I haven't talked to the owner in sometime, but I heard that GT was forced to take the boat back, Owner got his $$ back, and now they are going to put a mild motor in it (525'ish?) and sell it to another buddy of mine. The boat will be fine with a mild motor, just won't work for big top end speeds.

RD

Too bad it didn't work out, your buddy picking it up tho is getting a super nice boat, pics just don't do it justice.
 
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