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Did you resolve the issues with the glass wall?
Yes,

We removed a glass door downstairs the went to the hangar as the shortage is 3 hour fireproof frames.

We replaced the 3 hour fireproof aluminum metal frames with 1/4 inch painted steel frames that will look like our exterior building window frames. Those steel frames will meet the 3 hour requirement.

Your sprinkler guys start Monday.
 

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Interior / Exterior updates???
Just boring MPE stuff. Set the six AC units on top of the roof.

Your sprinklers are getting put up as well.

Hangar Door comes in two weeks and drywall and insulation for the entire building. That will be more interesting as the door comes in pieces and is welded on site.

They are drilling two dry wells so we can deposit hydrocarbons directly into the ground water. City code that I don’t get. 🤷🤷 Not enough drillers so that has been a big wait.

Nothing to really see in this stuff.
 
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Just boring MPE stuff. Set the six AC units on top of the roof.

Your sprinklers are getting put up as well.

Hangar Door comes in two weeks and drywall and insulation for the entire building. That will be more interesting as the door comes in pieces and is welded on site.

They are drilling two dry wells so we can deposit hydrocarbons directly into the ground water. City code that I don’t get. 🤷🤷 Not enough drillers so that has been a big wait.

Nothing to really see in this stuff.
What was that 10 x 100' corrugated galv tank for ?
 

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My guess would be a Underground Storage Tank. (UST). Something like this. 🤷‍♂️

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I know the UG Jet Fuel storage tanks @ Miramar for the JE test cells required we install monitored cathodic protection. I guess what stumped me about this tank was his initial pic with what appeared to be an unshaded direct buried drain line. So I thought maybe it was for wash down or building drains that had to be collected rather than allowed to spilling into the storm water system ??
Just guessing
 

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I know the UG Jet Fuel storage tanks @ Miramar for the JE test cells required we install monitored cathodic protection. I guess what stumped me about this tank was his initial pic with what appeared to be an unshaded direct buried drain line. So I thought maybe it was for wash down or building drains that had to be collected rather than allowed to spilling into the storm water system ??
Just guessing
That makes more sense due to the type of material used. Dan will let us know..;)
 

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What was that 10 x 100' corrugated galv tank for ?
Water retention during a rain event. They probably covered up too much ground for water to percolate into during a rain event. So they install a tank to offset that. When it rains, site rain water will drain into the tank vs. flowing out onto the street. Think of it as temporary water storage. Over time, like a week, that water in the tank will percolate into the ground to replenish the ground water.
 

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What was that 10 x 100' corrugated galv tank for ?
Your ad here is correct.

There are four inlets spread around the site and a bunch of plumbing to the tank with inlets near the top of both sides. Then plumbing out of the bottom of the tank to the 100 foot wells. (see pic 1)

Given land is 85 dollars a foot, it is cheaper to dig and bury water retention that it is to buy more land to have onsite retention.

Interesting, turbine engines are very inefficient and drop hydrocarbons onto the pavement. Then the rain comes and washes the hydrocarbons down into the tank and down into 100 foot wells dropping them into the ground water. I don't get it but I guess that is the city rules.....
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Here are some of Bobby's fire lines. Interestingly they put a line right down where one of the fans attaches to the ceiling......so now they have to spend a bunch of time and move it. 🤦‍♂️

The Hangar AC's are set and plumbed.

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Here are some of Bobby's fire lines. Interestingly they put a line right down where one of the fans attaches to the ceiling......so now they have to spend a bunch of time and move it. 🤦‍♂️

The Hangar AC's are set and plumbed.

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Is the fan one of the "Big Ass Fans"? Moving a branch line could possibly make them add more sprinklers. Hard to tell. I see the pipes but I don't see the fire sprinklers attached. Maybe they will drill them later. The mains look like 6". I thought the UG fire main was 4" :oops:
 

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Is the fan one of the "Big Ass Fans"? Moving a branch line could possibly make them add more sprinklers. Hard to tell. I see the pipes but I don't see the fire sprinklers attached. Maybe they will drill them later. The mains look like 6". I thought the UG fire main was 4" :oops:
Four to six. Beats me it is what the city wanted. The FDC is six?

They do drill them later. Seems silly to stand 30 feet up and drill but I just pay the bills. 🤷🤷
 

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I know the UG Jet Fuel storage tanks @ Miramar for the JE test cells required we install monitored cathodic protection. I guess what stumped me about this tank was his initial pic with what appeared to be an unshaded direct buried drain line. So I thought maybe it was for wash down or building drains that had to be collected rather than allowed to spilling into the storm water system ??
Just guessing
Three systems.

One for the storm water which goes into the tank and then is flushed into the ground water with dry wells.

One for sanitary sewer where the brown trout go to die from the building as well as a service out in the staging area to service aircraft lavatories where the smurf blood and brown trout go.

Then a third from floor drains in the hangar that goes to a separator for oil/sand and then connects to the sanitary sewer.

And people wonder why hangars are 750 a foot. 😳😳

Not putting a fuel station in although it is wired for it and the space is marked off in the staging area. I will explain the economics if anyone cares.
 

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Four to six. Beats me it is what the city wanted. The FDC is six?

They do drill them later. Seems silly to stand 30 feet up and drill but I just pay the bills. 🤷🤷
This company sure does things different then most. We pre fab / weld most of the pipes in the shop. Cheaper to pay a shop guy then a fitter in the field.
 

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what does someone have to do for a living to be able to afford to build something like this....
Work for forty years with long hours on planes around the world doing things others do not want to do that are not fun, get really lucky, take a lot of risk and live long enough to get old.

It would be much more useful when I was thirty or forty but youth is wasted on the young. ☹️
 

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Work for forty years with long hours on planes around the world doing things others do not want to do that are not fun, get really lucky, take a lot of risk and live long enough to get old.

It would be much more useful when I was thirty or forty but youth is wasted on the young. ☹️
thanks for responding and sharing this with us! cant wait to see what goes in it.
 

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That wasn’t very nice, at least cut him some slack in his own thread this isn’t the dungeon.😂😂😂
I actually thought it was very nice. I know plenty just like him, even have some family in the business. Cool building, just keeping it real.
 

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I still don't get the 4" UG to 6" OH. 🤷‍♂️ Is the 6" T above the back flow for the FDC. Now all they need is a drain valve, PSI gauge and a Flow Switch to go with the tamper switches to be tied into the fire panel.
The FDC is 6 inch.

I guess the pressure is very high so 4 supply works until the OH and then they want six for volume at lower PSI. Beats me.

The FDC was moved to the street from the side of the building. I guess no one wants a nice paint job near a fire?

With respect to the other stuff, all I know is 20 bucks a month plus 120 annually for the inspection. 😬
 

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The FDC is 6 inch.

I guess the pressure is very high so 4 supply works until the OH and then they want six for volume at lower PSI. Beats me.

The FDC was moved to the street from the side of the building. I guess no one wants a nice paint job near a fire?

With respect to the other stuff, all I know is 20 bucks a month plus 120 annually for the inspection. 😬
Some cities require the FDC to be a certain distance away from the building. Fireman don't like hooking their hoses to the FDC if the walls fall after the roof fails. :oops:.

Edit…Forgot you have a steel roof. Not a wood roof.
 
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Wait a minute… you have twin shitters!
how May people do you plan having on the job site? Is this shed going to be fast tracked? Elbows and assholes?


lol
One for the boss and his wife. 😉
 
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Gone for a month on vacation and you're on the home stretch! Looking great!
If no onsite fueling, you have a mobile service?
 

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Some cities require the FDC to be a certain distance away from the building. Fireman don't like hooking their hoses to the FDC if the walls fall after the roof fails. :oops:.

Edit…Forgot you have a steel roof. Not a wood roof.
most jurisdictions in the bay area want FDC curbside
 

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As much as I'm quite comfy sitting in the nose bleed section and just enjoying the show. I do occasionally see something that's apparently done in AZ that certainly we couldn't didn't, wouldn't, or couldn't in San Diego. Of course for a lot of years, we were Qualcomm's golden haired child, and if you could make them happy, you'd desire an award and standing ovation.
So I'll just leave this here, not saying there's anything out of sorts, just well, different. ;)😁

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Rather than edit my prior post alerting Dan to possible code violations, I'll state my retraction in this post.
After learning the purpose of that conduit, which serves as both a raceway and means of physical protection for the building fiber network cable, there is no code violation. The sections noted above only apply to supporting from electrical conduit and raceways, not data. 👍
 

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As much as I'm quite comfy sitting in the nose bleed section and just enjoying the show. I do occasionally see something that's apparently done in AZ that certainly we couldn't didn't, wouldn't, or couldn't in San Diego. Of course for a lot of years, we were Qualcomm's golden haired child, and if you could make them happy, you'd desire an award and standing ovation.
So I'll just leave this here, not saying there's anything out of sorts, just well, different. ;)😁

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Rather than edit my prior post alerting Dan to possible code violations, I'll state my retraction in this post.
After learning the purpose of that conduit, which serves as both a raceway and means of physical protection for the building fiber network cable, there is no code violation. The sections noted above only apply to supporting from electrical conduit and raceways, not data. 👍
No worries. Observations from those with experience are always welcomed.
 

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Gone for a month on vacation and you're on the home stretch! Looking great!
If no onsite fueling, you have a mobile service?
There are three FBO's that will send a truck and sell fuel at a deep discount for onsite fueling. Plus a city run dispenser.

A fuel farm only makes sense if you are burning 4 or 5 thousand gallons a month from home base. Which means you are burning 12 to 15 thousand gallons a month in total as a majority of fuel is bought at other places. A trip to Monterey and back in a Latitude is about 4,500 pounds or about 662 gallons. A 500 burns about 25 gallons an hour and a 530F burns about 30.

You need to do a lot of flying to burn that much fuel or have a large facility with multiple planes. You can not share a fuel farm unless it is a condo association. So each building needs it's own. The cost of a compliant fuel farm is about 450 grand. It makes little economic sense.
 
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