New Office and Shed

[530RL]

Here you go Bobby. More sprinkler stuff…..

 

[530RL]

 

[rivermobster]

As Bobby states it is a slab they pour the 10 inch wall on. Once the walls are completed, cured and lifted in place they scrape up the slabs and off to the dump they go.

The wood pieces in the middle are openings in the walls. Next comes the rebar guys. Once all formed up and filled with steel they will hopefully be poured late next week with 485 yards of concrete.

My wife refers to this shed as my “final resting place”.

Let’s hope after I get it done.

Wait up...

So they throw away all that concrete???

 

[Riverryder]

Wait up...

So they throw away all that concrete???

Rdp balling

 

[v6toy4x]

Pad is completed, tested and certified.

Start digging footings early next week.

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I didnt see any compactors smooth or sheepfoot, wheel rolled with scrapers??

 

[rivermobster]

Rdp balling

I had no idea...

When I remodeled my house, the most expensive part was my new concrete driveway!

Can't believe they throw that away...

 

[v6toy4x]

Depends. Sometimes the UG plans are approved before the OH plans are approved. They have a 1 piece riser now with no fittings that goes under the footing. See link. We usually only go thru the wall on retro-fits or when there is a leak below the footing.

IBR - Ames Fire & Waterworks

In-Building Risers (4" - 12")

www.watts.com

Agree UG should be done in concert with all site utilities and submitted on a grading permit. We have use one piece SS risers for years, cross dig set the riser and pour an inside kicker, same thing on elec cross dig and get one section of pipe from inside to outside. All before footings and slab. OR if tilt up and a large enought closer you can do the slab first and circle back with footings and utility stub ins.

 

[530RL]

Wait up...

So they throw away all that concrete???

Yep, if you want to use concrete tilt panels, you need a bottom to the form.

Once the panels are lifted and tilted up, those “waste slabs” will be torn up and hauled away to the dump. Yes a waste of concrete but the way it is done unless one has the space and the willingness to use the finished building slab as a bottom for the tilt up panels. That however requires a perfectly flat slab and will end up making the slab a little chewed and marked up. If you want any slope in the slab for drains or other purposes, or want to leave the slab exposed, building tilt up panels on the slab limits the options and look.

I didnt see any compactors smooth or sheepfoot, wheel rolled with scrapers??

Wheel compacted.

Agree UG should be done in concert with all site utilities and submitted on a grading permit. We have use one piece SS risers for years, cross dig set the riser and pour an inside kicker, same thing on elec cross dig and get one section of pipe from inside to outside. All before footings and slab. OR if tilt up and a large enought closer you can do the slab first and circle back with footings and utility stub ins.

Some building UG was done prior to the pour of the footings if that UG penetrated the footings, and the balance was done subsequent to footing pour.

Outside the building UG is ongoing. The sewer is connected, the fire tap is done, the potable water tap is next. Unfortunately this city demands two separate taps on the potable main, one for fire and one for water, as opposed to one for both. I guess they like double the maintenance for their workers……or double the fees……

Slab will be poured last after panels are up and steel is done as we are attempting to keep it looking as clean as possible for polishing. No closer.

 

[Bobby V]

Yep, if you want to use concrete tilt panels, you need a bottom to the form.

Once the panels are lifted and tilted up, those “waste slabs” will be torn up and hauled away to the dump. Yes a waste of concrete but the way it is done unless one has the space and the willingness to use the finished building slab as a bottom for the tilt up panels. That however requires a perfectly flat slab and will end up making the slab a little chewed and marked up. If you want any slope in the slab for drains or other purposes, or want to leave the slab exposed, building tilt up panels on the slab limits the options and look.




Wheel compacted.




Some building UG was done prior to the pour of the footings if that UG penetrated the footings, and the balance was done subsequent to footing pour.

Outside the building UG is ongoing. The sewer is connected, the fire tap is done, the potable water tap is next. Unfortunately this city demands two separate taps on the potable main, one for fire and one for water, as opposed to one for both. I guess they like double the maintenance for their workers……or double the fees……

Slab will be poured last after panels are up and steel is done as we are attempting to keep it looking as clean as possible for polishing. No closer.

Most cities have 2 separate lines for fire and domestic. Sprinkler water gets nasty after sitting in the black steel pipes over the years without moving like a domestic line. They don’t want the nasty water mixing with the domestic water. That’s why most water companies require the back flows to be tested yearly.

 

[v6toy4x]

Most cities have 2 separate lines for fire and domestic. Sprinkler water gets nasty after sitting in the black steel pipes over the years without moving like a domestic line. They don’t want the nasty water mixing with the domestic water. That’s why most water companies require the back flows to be tested yearly.

Here in most jurisdictions of the bay area we can do one tap to the city main, get behind curb, build a manifold that branches off for a domestic service meter, irrigation service meter and continues onsite with a min 6" for fire service of which runs through a double check w/ FDC and PIV or above grade and an OS&Y. So I guess you could say that is a win for Calif. Of course the cost for the water meter is a different story.

I like how OP is not letting everything out of the bag all at once, makes me hope he has some out of the box stuff coming!!

My other question is this really for a private use shop type building? If so congrats on pulling that one off, way beyond my budget!!

 

[Bobby V]

Here in most jurisdictions of the bay area we can do one tap to the city main, get behind curb, build a manifold that branches off for a domestic service meter, irrigation service meter and continues onsite with a min 6" for fire service of which runs through a double check w/ FDC and PIV or above grade and an OS&Y. So I guess you could say that is a win for Calif. Of course the cost for the water meter is a different story.

I like how OP is not letting everything out of the bag all at once, makes me hope he has some out of the box stuff coming!!

My other question is this really for a private use shop type building? If so congrats on pulling that one off, way beyond my budget!!

Our cost for a 6" back flow is about 6K plus labor, backhoe, plans, permits...

I have a Target store where we installed a new 10" back flow. Within a month the brass meter and back flow trim was stolen. $2,5000 to replace the trim and meter. Putting knox boxes on the valves this time.

 

[v6toy4x]

Yep, if you want to use concrete tilt panels, you need a bottom to the form.

Once the panels are lifted and tilted up, those “waste slabs” will be torn up and hauled away to the dump. Yes a waste of concrete but the way it is done unless one has the space and the willingness to use the finished building slab as a bottom for the tilt up panels. That however requires a perfectly flat slab and will end up making the slab a little chewed and marked up. If you want any slope in the slab for drains or other purposes, or want to leave the slab exposed, building tilt up panels on the slab limits the options and look.





Some building UG was done prior to the pour of the footings if that UG penetrated the footings, and the balance was done subsequent to footing pour.

Outside the building UG is ongoing. The sewer is connected, the fire tap is done, the potable water tap is next. Unfortunately this city demands two separate taps on the potable main, one for fire and one for water, as opposed to one for both. I guess they like double the maintenance for their workers……or double the fees……

Slab will be poured last after panels are up and steel is done as we are attempting to keep it looking as clean as possible for polishing. No closer.

Our cost for a 6" back flow is about 6K plus labor, backhoe, plans, permits...

I have a Target store where we installed a new 10" back flow. Within a month the brass meter and back flow trim was stolen. $2,5000 to replace the trim and meter. Putting knox boxes on the valves this time.

We cage everything irrigation to fire. Couple jurisdictions still have us install fire service in below grade vaults, nice for security but not so nice for service/replacement

 

[530RL]

485 yards……..

 

[v6toy4x]

Nice, is that all of the panels? do you have a lift date scheduled? Last one where is this AZ/CA? Fair amount of steel in pnls and footings makes me think CA, shake, rattle and roll stuff

 

[530RL]

I like how OP is not letting everything out of the bag all at once, makes me hope he has some out of the box stuff coming!!

 

[v6toy4x]

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Floor drain for inside wash down??

Wait, bolt template in the subgrade

 

[530RL]

Nice, is that all of the panels? do you have a lift date scheduled? Last one where is this AZ/CA? Fair amount of steel in pnls and footings makes me think CA, shake, rattle and roll stuff

That is all 17 panels. Lift is scheduled for first week of May. AZ.

The excess steel and other structural stuff is related to sheer issues that shall become more apparent as this goes along.

 

[530RL]

Floor drain for inside wash down??

Wait, bolt template in the subgrade

 

[v6toy4x]

That is all 17 panels. Lift is scheduled for first week of May. AZ.

The excess steel and other structural stuff is related to sheer issues that shall become more apparent as this goes along.

The openings in the walls have had me scratching my head since the start of this, keep it comin!!

Mostly, your comments about not using the bld slab to cast on has me pondering. I have only had to use casting slabs a handful of times regardless of desired panel finish or floor rquirements even sloped to drains, lazer screeded struct slabs can go down every bit as flat and smooth as casting slabs, rat slabs even stacking panels if you have to do more than one pour anyway. On food processing plants we pour structural slab 2-3" below FF and once stood, roof on and braces pulled we pour sloped topping slab to floor sinks on top of struct slab. PITA! My interest is peaked!!

 

[v6toy4x]

This is better than new boat model debut!!

 

[530RL]

The openings in the walls have had me scratching my head since the start of this, keep it comin!!

Mostly, your comments about not using the bld slab to cast on has me pondering. I have only had to use casting slabs a handful of times regardless of desired panel finish or floor rquirements even sloped to drains, lazer screeded struct slabs can go down every bit as flat and smooth as casting slabs, rat slabs even stacking panels if you have to do more than one pour anyway. On food processing plants we pour structural slab 2-3" below FF and once stood, roof on and braces pulled we pour sloped topping slab to floor sinks on top of struct slab. PITA! My interest is peaked!!

Assuming there are no cracks, the waste slab in the building footprint may be left and covered with 3 inches of AB before the final slab for the building is laid down. The building pad was cut down to accommodate leaving that waste slab. However, if there is any question about it, the concrete company will not want the risk of leaving it. The other two waste slabs will go away as one is on the neighbors property and the other is in a parking area.

We talked about using a split slab or topping slab in an attempt to make life easier on the pocketbook and the concrete sub, however structural said negative. The final slab for the building is 8 inches with rebar 8 inches on center both ways.

Beats me, I’m just here to pay and take pictures?

 

[zhandfull]

Could this project be the reason we have a cement shortage in Southern California? Must be shipping it all to Arizona.

 

[Bobby V]

Could this project be the reason we have a cement shortage in Southern California? Must be shipping it all to Arizona.

Ha Ha..We have a couple small projects where we need a few yards of concrete for thrust blocks. Faster to go to HD and mix our own.

 

[v6toy4x]

Assuming there are no cracks, the waste slab in the building footprint may be left and covered with 3 inches of AB before the final slab for the building is laid down. The building pad was cut down to accommodate leaving that waste slab. However, if there is any question about it, the concrete company will not want the risk of leaving it. The other two waste slabs will go away as one is on the neighbors property and the other is in a parking area.

We talked about using a split slab or topping slab in an attempt to make life easier on the pocketbook and the concrete sub, however structural said negative. The final slab for the building is 8 inches with rebar 8 inches on center both ways.

Beats me, I’m just here to pay and take pictures?

Another comment, 8" slab with rebar @ 8" O.C. for a "shop" this is getting more interesting by the minute!

 

[530RL]

Another comment, 8" slab with rebar @ 8" O.C. for a "shop" this is getting more interesting by the minute!

Not “shop”, but “shed”.

 

[v6toy4x]

Not “shop”, but “shed”.

Shed, thats no help at all!
I am going to have to start asking for hints like,
-what is the footprint size,
-more than one "floor"?
-elec service size
-single occupant or multiple
-Can you give us a peak at one of the elevation dwgs?
-qty and ht of rollup doors

feel free to not answer any or all of these its your thread!

 

[530RL]

Shed, thats no help at all!
I am going to have to start asking for hints like,
-what is the footprint size,
-more than one "floor"?
-elec service size
-single occupant or multiple
-Can you give us a peak at one of the elevation dwgs?
-qty and ht of rollup doors

feel free to not answer any or all of these its your thread!

8,800 footprint

Yes

480 volt 600 Amp

Single

Nope

Two roll up doors. One on the outside and one on the inside.

 

[530RL]

Stripping forms for lift next week.

 

[v6toy4x]

8,800 footprint

Yes

480 volt 600 Amp

Single

Nope

Two roll up doors. One on the outside and one on the inside.

600 amps of 480 is a fair amount for 8800ft
Interior roll up door, care to tell me the sizes???

I am still no closer 8800 two story shed out of tilt up with 600 amps of 480 and one outside roll up and one inside and some interesting "window" openings?
with an 8" slab and 8" o.c. rebar, I am guessing something tall needing some overturning capacity in the slab??

A brewery?

 

[530RL]

600 amps of 480 is a fair amount for 8800ft
Interior roll up door, care to tell me the sizes???

I am still no closer 8800 two story shed out of tilt up with 600 amps of 480 and one outside roll up and one inside and some interesting "window" openings?
with an 8" slab and 8" o.c. rebar, I am guessing something tall needing some overturning capacity in the slab??

A brewery?

8800 is the footprint, not the total square footage.

It is 100 percent air conditioned raising power requirements.

Exterior roll up door is 10x10. Interior roll up door is 18x10.

Not a brewery. You will figure it out instantly once the tilt is up.

 

[v6toy4x]

8800 is the footprint, not the total square footage.

It is 100 percent air conditioned raising power requirements.

Exterior roll up door is 10x10. Interior roll up door is 18x10.

Not a brewery. You will figure it out instantly once the tilt is up.

I got the 8800 was just footprint, figured you wouldn't give away total sq ftg!!!!
100% conditioned is interesting with interior roll up door??????
Interior door almost twice as wide as exterior???

Was I close on reason for SOG design being for overturning?

 

[530RL]

Was I close on reason for SOG design being for overturning?

What does this mean in english to an accountant type person?

 

[v6toy4x]

What does this mean in english to an accountant type person?

SOG-slab on grade

most machines, racks etc over 6' tall usually have to have an "overturning" calculation done on the forces needed to be restrained to keep said object from falling over.

It is especially critical in seismic areas, not sure how AZ falls in all that but here in great ole CA it is a huge consideration.
SOG thickness and rebar can sometimes be adjusted accordingly. As an example we used to do 5" thick slabs with NO rebar on 95% compacted 8" section of base rock, they hold up great to even large forklift traffice but don't calc out well for taller racking installations.

I have done tilt up for 30 years and I have only had a need for thicker than 6" slab maybe 20 times out of hundreds of tilts. large machine shop enviroments where the mass of wieght was needed to stop vibration as much as support for the weight of the machine, we have had some taller "silos" for dust abatement, large scale spiral freezers and brewery tanks, racking in excess of 24' tall. Otherwise 6" with #4 at 18" seems to handle most commercial and light industrial stuff.

For an accountant type you have the lingo down pretty good!

 

[530RL]

SOG-slab on grade

most machines, racks etc over 6' tall usually have to have an "overturning" calculation done on the forces needed to be restrained to keep said object from falling over.

It is especially critical in seismic areas, not sure how AZ falls in all that but here in great ole CA it is a huge consideration.
SOG thickness and rebar can sometimes be adjusted accordingly. As an example we used to do 5" thick slabs with NO rebar on 95% compacted 8" section of base rock, they hold up great to even large forklift traffice but don't calc out well for taller racking installations.

I have done tilt up for 30 years and I have only had a need for thicker than 6" slab maybe 20 times out of hundreds of tilts. large machine shop enviroments where the mass of wieght was needed to stop vibration as much as support for the weight of the machine, we have had some taller "silos" for dust abatement, large scale spiral freezers and brewery tanks, racking in excess of 24' tall. Otherwise 6" with #4 at 18" seems to handle most commercial and light industrial stuff.

For an accountant type you have the lingo down pretty good!

Got it.

The slab thickness inside the building as well as on the exterior is solely due to weight bearing requirements. It was just a calculation by the structural engineer.

 

[Bobby V]

SOG-slab on grade

most machines, racks etc over 6' tall usually have to have an "overturning" calculation done on the forces needed to be restrained to keep said object from falling over.

It is especially critical in seismic areas, not sure how AZ falls in all that but here in great ole CA it is a huge consideration.
SOG thickness and rebar can sometimes be adjusted accordingly. As an example we used to do 5" thick slabs with NO rebar on 95% compacted 8" section of base rock, they hold up great to even large forklift traffice but don't calc out well for taller racking installations.

I have done tilt up for 30 years and I have only had a need for thicker than 6" slab maybe 20 times out of hundreds of tilts. large machine shop enviroments where the mass of wieght was needed to stop vibration as much as support for the weight of the machine, we have had some taller "silos" for dust abatement, large scale spiral freezers and brewery tanks, racking in excess of 24' tall. Otherwise 6" with #4 at 18" seems to handle most commercial and light industrial stuff.

For an accountant type you have the lingo down pretty good!

I have a project now in Corona, CA. Brand new building 35' +- to the roof. Thick slab like 530's. Food processing plant. Racks in dry storage and cooler are about 25'. They have a huge 30' high freezer. About 7500 sq. ft. All the of the concrete slab had to come out.

 

[v6toy4x]

I have a project now in Corona, CA. Brand new building 35' +- to the roof. Thick slab like 530's. Food processing plant. Racks in dry storage and cooler are about 25'. They have a huge 30' high freezer. About 7500 sq. ft. All the of the concrete slab had to come out.

Nice, some unique equipment. I liked the food processing plants, we did a few. Lots of differnet challenges and of course a completely un-realistic time line.

 

[530RL]

SOG-slab on grade

most machines, racks etc over 6' tall usually have to have an "overturning" calculation done on the forces needed to be restrained to keep said object from falling over.

It is especially critical in seismic areas, not sure how AZ falls in all that but here in great ole CA it is a huge consideration.
SOG thickness and rebar can sometimes be adjusted accordingly. As an example we used to do 5" thick slabs with NO rebar on 95% compacted 8" section of base rock, they hold up great to even large forklift traffice but don't calc out well for taller racking installations.

I have done tilt up for 30 years and I have only had a need for thicker than 6" slab maybe 20 times out of hundreds of tilts. large machine shop enviroments where the mass of wieght was needed to stop vibration as much as support for the weight of the machine, we have had some taller "silos" for dust abatement, large scale spiral freezers and brewery tanks, racking in excess of 24' tall. Otherwise 6" with #4 at 18" seems to handle most commercial and light industrial stuff.

For an accountant type you have the lingo down pretty good!

This should help you with the look of the building.

 

[v6toy4x]

exterior panel finish, you are going all in!
does the finish have a direct correlation to the use of the building or just the look you are going for.

i can say I have never done a rustic finish, excited to see it.

when is lift day again?

 

[530RL]

exterior panel finish, you are going all in!
does the finish have a direct correlation to the use of the building or just the look you are going for.

i can say I have never done a rustic finish, excited to see it.

when is lift day again?

Next week.

Non-painted. Just sealed.

I have no taste so it is the look the architect chose.

It has no impact on use, just the finished product. Lots of steel to come for inside and outside look.

 

[v6toy4x]

Lots of steel to come for inside and outside look.

 

[530RL]

 

[v6toy4x]

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Tabs for wide flange beams at the roof line?
I don't see a roof ledger?

 

[530RL]

Tabs for wide flange beams at the roof line?
I don't see a roof ledger?

No trusses. They are ugly.

 

[530RL]

 

[v6toy4x]

Looks clean and ready to go good luck, lift day was always a bit intense!
Hopefully they all pic and everything fits!

 

[530RL]

Tabs for wide flange beams at the roof line?
I don't see a roof ledger?

I think I understand your question now.

The tabs are for I-Beams as opposed to trusses as trusses for an 81 foot span are over four feet tall and ugly. I-Beams are only two feet tall and will have a cleaner look.

There is a ledger along the edge for the metal roof.

The ledger will be welded to the in-beds that are seen in picture two of post 91 just above the tabs.

The lower tabs on some panels are for I-Beams where there is the office mezzanine.

What surprises me is the panels rest on those shims as opposed to flat on the foundation. Crazy to set 120,000 pounds of panel on two sets of shims.

 

[v6toy4x]

I think I understand your question now.

The tabs are for I-Beams as opposed to trusses as trusses for an 81 foot span are over four feet tall and ugly. I-Beams are only two feet tall and will have a cleaner look.

There is a ledger along the edge for the metal roof.

The ledger will be welded to the in-beds that are seen in picture two of post 91 just above the tabs.

The lower tabs on some panels are for I-Beams where there is the office mezzanine.

What surprises me is the panels rest on those shims as opposed to flat on the foundation. Crazy to set 120,000 pounds of panel on two sets of shims.

I beam are referred as wide flange as well.

We maintain a minimum 2” on the shim pack and after the panels stand you pour a 6 sack pea gravel grout that is vibrated under the wall panels to make a countinuous bearing, while locking in any rebar dowels from the panel to ftg if required.

Doong the two shims lets the panel “touch down” and the bar guys will move them in and out and side to side with bars once on layout the full wt is set and the panel plumbed and braced.

Good luck with your lift, it will appear to the nieghbors that you built the building in a day!!

 

[SLT Kota]

Do the two doors you mentioned to include the one for the aircraft?

I'm guessing high end VIP hanger with a play area for some big boy toys.

 

[530RL]

 

[530RL]