New Home/RV Garage Build

[FROGMAN524]

Looking good! Sucks some d bag stole your ice maker! Any cameras or anything?

No power or network so no cameras yet. Once I’m in, the place will be Fort Knox.

 

[ChrisV]

Hope you moved in with sucess. Any updates on the build? Beautiful place man!

 

[DBO]

We have decided on the builder and have the 3rd rendition of the drawing but now we have to kind of start over with the drawings. We went to the property with the builder and started pulling a tape and it just didn’t lay out correctly. So now we are detaching the RV garage and turning the house 90 deg. Still shooting on a fall start date. Home should be complete by summer of 25

 

[DBO]

Sorry, my response was for a different post, my apologies.

 

[FROGMAN524]

Hope you moved in with sucess. Any updates on the build? Beautiful place man!

Man I forgot about this thread until just now! The house is “done” but had to wait 7 months for the wall permits due to a wash in my yard complicating the G&D design. Got the 8816 wall built and now on to the pool.

Also adding a 14x16’ rear door on the RV garage for a full pull through along with a second 8’ tall service door accessible from the back yard.

Pool design is done and the permit is in resubmitted matter county sent red lines a few weeks ago.

Pool equipment ordered yesterday before quarterly price increase from Pentair.

Here is equipment list but with the ultra temp heat pump rather than the 400K BTU heater.

 

[v6toy4x]

Man I forgot about this thread until just now! The house is “done” but had to wait 7 months for the wall permits due to a wash in my yard complicating the G&D design. Got the 8816 wall built and now on to the pool.

Also adding a 14x16’ rear door on the RV garage for a full pull through along with a second 8’ tall service door accessible from the back yard.

Pool design is done and the permit is in resubmitted matter county sent red lines a few weeks ago.

Pool equipment ordered yesterday before quarterly price increase from Pentair.

Here is equipment list but with the ultra temp heat pump rather than the 400K BTU heater.

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PICS or it didn't happen

 

[FROGMAN524]

PICS or it didn't happen

 

[FROGMAN524]

Finally got my pool and Ramada permit last week. Layout is done and digging starts tomorrow.

Does anybody have ideas for temporary fencing to keep kids and dogs from fall in the hole?

 

[adam909]

Finally got my pool and Ramada permit last week. Layout is done and digging starts tomorrow.

Does anybody have ideas for temporary fencing to keep kids and dogs from fall in the hole?

you can rent temporary fence in phoenix simple and easy.

 

[FROGMAN524]

you can rent temporary fence in phoenix simple and easy.

I got some of that orange temp fencing and a million of those 4’ u stakes to cordon off the area. Will supervise kids and dogs around it until it’s done and we have actual poop fencing in place.

Dig started today and we hit caliche 2’ in or less. Going to be a long hammering.

 

[FROGMAN524]

And the hole gets bigger, day by day. Still about 2/3rd done.

Can almost work at night with how bright the full moon is.

 

[BHC Vic]

I remember when they dug the Pool at my parents. No fence. My younger brother and I would go into the hole and box. we had a great childhood

 

[FROGMAN524]

I remember when they dug the Pool at my parents. No fence. My younger brother and I would go into the hole and box. we had a great childhood

Boys will be boys as they say. Mine love messing around in the construction zone.

 

[FROGMAN524]

They be working this morning despite some early rain. Nice to watch them in my cameras while I work.

 

[v6toy4x]

Exciting stuff, happy for you and yours!

 

[FROGMAN524]

Big hole! They finished digging yesterday and will finish grading tomorrow.

 

[FROGMAN524]

Plumbing started today and to be finished tomorrow.

 

[FROGMAN524]

That’s a lot of pipe!
Plumbing done, rebar starts Tuesday or Wednesday next week.

 

[ChrisV]

That’s wild. Thanks for the updates!

 

[Eliminator21vdrive]

What is all that goodness in the floor for?

 

[FROGMAN524]

What is all that goodness in the floor for?

Those are the 47 in-floor cleaner heads. Also, we’ve got 3 LED water sheers, 8 deck jets, 3 LED bubblers in the Baja shelf, spa jets, grotto water fall, grotto water slide, 2 skimmers and 2 vacuum ports. Also you’ve got several returns as well and 3 floor drains and a Ramada sump pump.

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[joecfd1]

Those are the 47 in-floor cleaner heads. Also, we’ve got 3 LED water sheers, 8 deck jets, 3 LED bubblers in the Baja shelf, spa jets, grotto water fall, grotto water slide, 2 skimmers and 2 vacuum ports. Also you’ve got several returns as well and 3 floor drains and a Ramada sump pump.

PV3 Automatic Pool Cleaning System - Paramount Pool & Spa Systems

The PV3 automatic pool cleaning system built into the pool floor cleans your pool while you relax. Guaranteed to be 99% clean.

www.1paramount.com

Holy crap! 47 popups... I thought we had a lot at 18...

 

[DLC]

That’s going to be an Experience just swimming around the pool !!

You’ve got all the hot rod do dads…

Can’t wait to see it all done!

 

[FROGMAN524]

Rebar is just about done

 

[steamin rice]

Looking good - That's a big pool! If you haven't already done so, take lots of photos and videos of your plumbing end to end - You never know what may happen a few years down the road, and it might be helpful to be able to see where the pipes go if you have any issues.

 

[RVR SWPR]

Sand backfill?

 

[FROGMAN524]

Sand backfill?

They brought in soft clean fill dirt for the pipes but the rest of it is mostly solid caliche

 

[MooreMoney]

Thats a lagoon not a pool! Looks massive!!

 

[FROGMAN524]

Anybody here have experience with pebble sheen? Is it fairly smooth on your feet?

 

[NicPaus]

Anybody here have experience with pebble sheen? Is it fairly smooth on your feet?

@Melloyellovector is who I would ask.

 

[Riverhound 2.0]

Anybody here have experience with pebble sheen? Is it fairly smooth on your feet?

We had it in our last pool, and although it's not as skin-friendly as plaster, it was relatively smooth. I'd do it again, for sure.

 

[MooreMoney]

Anybody here have experience with pebble sheen? Is it fairly smooth on your feet?

I had it on a pool about 5 years ago. My wife hated it but it looked really good when no ones in the pool.

When we moved and had a new build we went to plaster. My wife's reason was we had kids now and they are going to be playing in the pool more and they will complain about the bottom pebbles.

 

[Melloyellovector]

Pebble sheen is equal to mini pebble. Yes, yes, and yes
Really depends on installer and acid wash process. Lighter color pebble finishes typically don’t need much exposure, so surface stays smoother. Darker colors, like midnight and black tend to need strong acid mix and or multiple washes to get consistent color / pebble exposure ( leaves rougher finish )
It is by far the most common finish in pools and lasts well over 20 years
Note: installer can diamond polish / sand steps, benches, shallow ends at addl cost. Makin it as smooth as you want

current regular plaster materials have expected life of 5 years if you get 10 count your blessings and your savings account, because it will need to be replaced soon

Another option is micro pebble, it’s larger then quartz smaller then mini pebble. The draw back is potential for modeling, similar to color plaster and quartz since there is still a lot of plaster material exposed.

 

[FROGMAN524]

Pebble sheen is equal to mini pebble. Yes, yes, and yes
Really depends on installer and acid wash process. Lighter color pebble finishes typically don’t need much exposure, so surface stays smoother. Darker colors, like midnight and black tend to need strong acid mix and or multiple washes to get consistent color / pebble exposure ( leaves rougher finish )
It is by far the most common finish in pools and lasts well over 20 years
Note: installer can diamond polish / sand steps, benches, shallow ends at addl cost. Makin it as smooth as you want

current regular plaster materials have expected life of 5 years if you get 10 count your blessings and your savings account, because it will need to be replaced soon

Another option is micro pebble, it’s larger then quartz smaller then mini pebble. The draw back is potential for modeling, similar to color plaster and quartz since there is still a lot of plaster material exposed.

Ok the neighbor just built a new pool with Pebble Sheen and it's still too rough for doing much of any water sports or other activities. Can I still get the pebble look with smooth finish in Pebble Breeze? Is pebble fina just regular plaster?

 

[Melloyellovector]

Ok the neighbor just built a new pool with Pebble Sheen and it's still too rough for doing much of any water sports or other activities. Can I still get the pebble look with smooth finish in Pebble Breeze? Is pebble fina just regular plaster?

They likely didn’t use pebblesheen, probably used import material, it’s crushed rock ( sharp edges ) not tumbled smooth pebbles, or installer over exposed

pebble sheen original process was diamond sand entire pool. Other installers didn’t do, and cut install prices 1/3 making pebbletec lose market share. So all virtually stopped diamond sanding in favor of getting jobs based off of price.
For about 1000-3000 range more they can diamond sand/polish the pebble smooth. They can do light and take off sharps, they can do medium where you barely feel voids and nothing sticking up, or they can polish til it’s smooth as glass. All depends how smooth you want it and where your wallet says it’s good.

jewelscapes all glass is another option, very expensive. How ever the water color in unreal. And the texture with no polish is similar to walking on wet bbs. No sharp nothing.

another option is hydrazzo, very expensive, and final process is diamond sand to glass finish. Smoother then plaster by far. Similar look as pebble

note:
pebble breeze - is mini pebble with glass added- npt touch of glass. Only thing added is the diamond polish. But you can polish any finish
pebblefina is basically small quartz finish, expensive. Lifespan: lasts longer than plaster, not as long as pebble. Stains will still show same as they do w plaster

 

[FROGMAN524]

They likely didn’t use pebblesheen, probably used import material, it’s crushed rock ( sharp edges ) not tumbled smooth pebbles, or installer over exposed

pebble sheen original process was diamond sand entire pool. Other installers didn’t do, and cut install prices 1/3 making pebbletec lose market share. So all virtually stopped diamond sanding in favor of getting jobs based off of price.
For about 1000-3000 range more they can diamond sand/polish the pebble smooth. They can do light and take off sharps, they can do medium where you barely feel voids and nothing sticking up, or they can polish til it’s smooth as glass. All depends how smooth you want it and where your wallet says it’s good.

jewelscapes all glass is another option, very expensive. How ever the water color in unreal. And the texture with no polish is similar to walking on wet bbs. No sharp nothing.

another option is hydrazzo, very expensive, and final process is diamond sand to glass finish. Smoother then plaster by far. Similar look as pebble

note:
pebble breeze - is mini pebble with glass added- npt touch of glass. Only thing added is the diamond polish. But you can polish any finish
pebblefina is basically small quartz finish, expensive. Lifespan: lasts longer than plaster, not as long as pebble. Stains will still show same as they do w plaster

All great info. My guy is a certified Pebble Tec installer and says he will do it the right way with the original pebble sheen product. Everything will be diamond polished if I go that way and he does all the presidential pools in Arizona, which is close to 2000 a year.

And correction, neighbor didn’t use pebble sheen, he used this knock off product:

 

[Melloyellovector]

All great info. My guy is a certified Pebble Tec installer and says he will do it the right way with the original pebble sheen product. Everything will be diamond polished if I go that way and he does all the presidential pools in Arizona, which is close to 2000 a year.

And correction, neighbor didn’t use pebble sheen, he used this knock off product:

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stonescapes is the largest supplier of pebble material in the US. Not exactly a “knock off” lol
warranty and product is equal to pebbletec

how ever, like I mentioned many guys will show samples of pebbletec or stone scapes, then use crushed rock material from other suppliers.
Those tend to be the pools that people feel and say it’s rough.

note: even crushed rock ( pebble ) can be diamond polished smooth as glass

since your sub is well versed on install and materials, there’s no reason to even entertain other finishes

edit; re looking at pics, neighbor needs to call builder back on that shitty paver work before pebble concerns lol
and the spillway on spa, hard to tell from pic angle, but I’d bet money water is dumping on his coping when pump on

 

[FROGMAN524]

stonescapes is the largest supplier of pebble material in the US. Not exactly a “knock off” lol
warranty and product is equal to pebbletec

how ever, like I mentioned many guys will show samples of pebbletec or stone scapes, then use crushed rock material from other suppliers.
Those tend to be the pools that people feel and say it’s rough.

note: even crushed rock ( pebble ) can be diamond polished smooth as glass

since your sub is well versed on install and materials, there’s no reason to even entertain other finishes

edit; re looking at pics, neighbor needs to call builder back on that shitty paver work before pebble concerns lol
and the spillway on spa, hard to tell from pic angle, but I’d bet money water is dumping on his coping when pump on

I’m thinking PebbleSheen in ocean blue or turtle bay. Any preference?

 

[Melloyellovector]

I’m thinking PebbleSheen in ocean blue or turtle bay. Any preference?

No preference, colors are personal opinions, you could literally do any color and look good, except bordeaux ( purple ) to me is a lame color

 

[FROGMAN524]

No preference, colors are personal opinions, you could literally do any color and look good, except bordeaux ( purple ) to me is a lame color

My guy says if you go darker, as it wears down over time, the plaster behind the pebble that falls out will be different color and it’ll get blotchy. Sounds unusual to me.

 

[Melloyellovector]

My guy says if you go darker, as it wears down over time, the plaster behind the pebble that falls out will be different color and it’ll get blotchy. Sounds unusual to me.

Darker the color the higher the chance for blotchiness.
‘colors you selected above aren’t dark.
pebbles can fall out, but not enough to worry about color variations over time.

biggest chance of color change over time in dark pools is from salt. You will get light salt coating years later, simple drain light acid wash and new again

your doing your homework, but don’t get lost in the what if’s

 

[FROGMAN524]

Darker the color the higher the chance for blotchiness.
‘colors you selected above aren’t dark.
pebbles can fall out, but not enough to worry about color variations over time.

biggest chance of color change over time in dark pools is from salt. You will get light salt coating years later, simple drain light acid wash and new again

your doing your homework, but don’t get lost in the what if’s

I am a picky dude. I usually research everything and anything before I buy. Thanks to your guidance, and others here, I am now sold on Pebble Sheen. I did confirm with my neighbor that his pebble plaster was not polished and thus explains how "rough" I think it is. Diamond polishing is a must for me and my guy says that's included with the installation price.

PGI inspection is today. Shotcrete should be this week or next if we pass today.

 

[FROGMAN524]

Ok new question, on the grotto build, concrete slide vs fiberglass slide like this? Please opine

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[skifaster]

Ok new question, on the grotto build, concrete slide vs fiberglass slide like this? Please opine

Garden Ride Series™

Garden Ride Landscape Slides are designed to be built into custom pool side landscapes with limited space.

www.srsmith.com

My .02. 20 years ago we built a pool with the concrete/rock slide. After a short time (less than a year), it was not very slippery at all and kind of sucked. We moved 3 years after the pool was built, so I have no idea what it is like now. My Sister's pool has the same issue. Maybe there are ways to do it better now. It looked awesome, and better than the fiberglass slide, but if I had to do it over again I probably would've preferred the fiberglass slide. I'm sure a little $$$ can make a fiberglass slide match better than just a stock color.

 

[FROGMAN524]

Shotcrete is done and grotto build starts Monday.