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A good friend of mine was offered the first one out of the mold for a ridiculously good price and he couldn't pull the trigger, he owns half of a wake board boat w his BIL and they don't want to sell it.
 

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A brand-new, somewhat optioned Hallett 210 is around $140k.

Times have changed, and the custom boat industry no longer caters to middle-class, first-time buyers. With rising costs and labor shortages, it just doesn’t make sense for them to target this market anymore. Most people aren’t willing to spend six figures on an entry-level boat, so manufacturers are focusing on the higher-end buyers instead.

If you’re looking for a more affordable new boat, your best options are likely brands like Chaparral, Yamaha, Crownline, etc. These companies dominate the "entry-level" market, and custom builders simply can’t compete with them in that space.

It is what it is now—don’t get stuck in the past.

Buy nice or buy twice
 

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wondering: since boat costs are so high these days, would taking older hulls that everyone knows performs, redoing the interior and maybe gel (wrap), refresh the engine and getting them on market be a viable way to get people on the water in performance boats? im not trying to make this a business, but this thread gave me pause as to how pricing out a lot of people may make our sport dwindle in numbers.
The problem comes in financing. At the end of the day, a 2001 Eliminator Daytona is still a 2001 and banks don’t care that it’s had a bunch of money thrown into it.
 

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The open bows are huge!


So is this confirmed it’s a legit 240 with something changed on the back?


 

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Teaser!

Says it will be at the Havasu boat show in April though, that's right around the corner
 

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My son wanted it for the deal offered to my buddy, no deal for him.
I was told big power is going in it and should be capable of 100mph!
That would make a BIG introduction.
Looking forward to the intro.
We'll see.
 

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I think @J DUNN had one of the fastest 240’s and it was low to mid 90’s if I remember correctly. And one, if not the nicest!

Yeah, I agree with @RiverDave 100mph out of a 240 would be hard to accomplish.
Maybe a closed bow with same motor/drive package as mine but completely stripped interior and lightened as MUCH as possible, then MAYBE.

It was 92 on GPS but that’s no radar gun and it was at Lake Powell heading toward the dam, strong current, you know.😜

And I would venture to say that when I owned it, WHEN I OWNED it, it WAS the nicest 240. But I don’t own it now so I’ll hold my comments.
 

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Yeah, I agree with @RiverDave 100mph out of a 240 would be hard to accomplish.
Maybe a closed bow with same motor/drive package as mine but completely stripped interior and lightened as MUCH as possible, then MAYBE.

It was 92 on GPS but that’s no radar gun and it was at Lake Powell heading toward the dam, strong current, you know.😜

And I would venture to say that when I owned it, WHEN I OWNED it, it WAS the nicest 240. But I don’t own it now so I’ll hold my comments.
I wanted to buy it sooo bad. One day my kids will be out of private school and done with sports. On that day I’ll start paying for college and I’m sure grand kids after that 😂😂 but maybe one day
 

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Capable of 100 better be a well built trailer and a good truck pulling it at that speed. You would need over 1000hp and would still be a stretch. I am a die hard Hallett fan and have a 255 so it is not try talking trash, just knowing it takes a lot to get that bottom to get to the tripple digit club. That bottom is an amazing handling bottom and takes chop like a much larger boat, but high mph numbers is not its strong suit.
 
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Capable of 100 better be a well built trailer and a good truck pulling it at that speed. You would need over 1000hp and would still be a stretch. I am a die hard Hallett fan and have a 255 so it is not try talking trash, just knowing it takes a lot to get that bottom to get to the tripple digit club. That bottom is an amazing handling bottom and takes chop like a much larger boat, but high mph numbers is not its strong suit.
I had 914 and didn’t get there
 

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Teague 1200 would get one there no problem.
So with that said, how much money do you throw at a hull that isn't made for top speed to see what you can get out of it?
Teague 1200 would get one there no problem.
Would love to see it, and not being sarcastic. Like I said, Hallett fan here.
 

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So with that said, how much money do you throw at a hull that isn't made for top speed to see what you can get out of it?

Would love to see it, and not being sarcastic. Like I said, Hallett fan here.
Haha honestly I think a 100mph 240/255 makes more sense than a lot of 120+ mph boats.

The platform still allows a family to hangout, move a lot of people, good for water sports, easy around docks/for one person to handle and fits in storage easy.

It’s like a suburban with a super charger.
 

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I don't understand why there is so much excitement from you guys for a company reviving a 30 year old hull design. A Howard 25 bullet, Nordic 25 rage or Hallett 255 will out perform the 240 in every aspect by a lot. I know you guys are hoping for a v bottom at a lot lower price point, but I bet it ends up to be close in price to a Nordic, Hallett or a Howard.
 

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I'm no expert, but I'd imagine with a classic V-bottom hull, no pad and no steps, it would be REALLY hard to get that hull into triple digits.....and then do it safely. The reason it handles chop and rough water so well, is because of the deadrise and the sharp entry. Like stated above, it does a LOT of things really well, but chasing triple digits in a hull not designed for all out speed may not be wise.

You'd need a pretty advanced V-bottom hull design like a Fountain, Hustler, Outer limits, etc. to see those speeds.
 

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I don't understand why there is so much excitement from you guys for a company reviving a 30 year old hull design. A Howard 25 bullet, Nordic 25 rage or Hallett 255 will out perform the 240 in every aspect by a lot. I know you guys are hoping for a v bottom at a lot lower price point, but I bet it ends up to be close in price to a Nordic, Hallett or a Howard.

The 210 and 270 are just as old. Hallett has built both in the last 3-4 years. The 255 is a 240 with a different top, same bottom.

Personally I don’t think the 240 should have ever gone away.

If performance = top speed hull efficiency, then absolutely there are other hulls that will beat it. But I’m not sure there’s anything out there that is directly comparable.

A Nordic rage or 28 Bullet will darn near fit inside of the 240/255. It’s a big boat.
 

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I'm no expert, but I'd imagine with a classic V-bottom hull, no pad and no steps, it would be REALLY hard to get that hull into triple digits.....and then do it safely. The reason it handles chop and rough water so well, is because of the deadrise and the sharp entry. Like stated above, it does a LOT of things really well, but chasing triple digits in a hull not designed for all out speed may not be wise.

You'd need a pretty advanced V-bottom hull design like a Fountain, Hustler, Outer limits, etc. to see those speeds.

24 Schiadas do it all the time. Just takes big power lol.
 

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24 Schiadas do it all the time. Just takes big power lol.
V-drives with big power, yes. Big Mercruiser with an outdrive, probably not.

I don't work for Barron but I doubt his first rendition of this new throwback model will utilize a V-drive power train. I've been wrong many times before, so there's always that. 🤣👍
 
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V-drives with big power, yes. Big Mercruiser with an outdrive, probably not.

I don't work for Barron but I doubt his first rendition of this new throwback model will utilize a V-drives power train. I've been wrong many times before, so there's always that. 🤣👍


 

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Has there ever been a 24' or bigger 100mph Hallett?
Yes there has. Oddly enough it was a Hallett AC 260 Limited (a collaboration between Nick and Art Carlson) which was not a popular model. Powerboat Magazine was having a 100+ mph shootout at Parker (about 2008-2009) for an article about west coast performance boats. Nick put a big engine (I believe it was a Paul Pfaff motor) in a 260 and wanted to give it a try. Nick had me test drive it at Lake Elsinore to make sure it would do 100+ mph before going to the shootout. After a couple of prop changes I got it to 101 mph on radar with just me and a passenger on board (light on fuel). I believe Bob Teague drove it at Parker for the magazine evaluation and the article at around 101-102mph. The hull was an unusual air-slot bottom design.
 

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The 210 and 270 are just as old. Hallett has built both in the last 3-4 years. The 255 is a 240 with a different top, same bottom.

Personally I don’t think the 240 should have ever gone away.

If performance = top speed hull efficiency, then absolutely there are other hulls that will beat it. But I’m not sure there’s anything out there that is directly comparable.

A Nordic rage or 28 Bullet will darn near fit inside of the 240/255. It’s a big boat.
I was under the impression that new Hallett's are using Nordic bottoms. I agree 240's are big boat's, but in reality they are only slightly bigger interior size wise on a wtob boat.
 

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I was under the impression that new Hallett's are using Nordic bottoms. I agree 240's are big boat's, but in reality they are only slightly bigger interior size wise on a wtob boat.

The Hallett 275 is a Nordic bottom. And Nordic did work to the 400 (and maybe the 290). Other than that they’re laying up OG Hallett molds from Irwindale.
 

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See?? I'm wrong once again! 🤣👍

(Nice job linking that beautiful unicorn that OD1 has for sale) 😉
 

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I'm no expert, but I'd imagine with a classic V-bottom hull, no pad and no steps, it would be REALLY hard to get that hull into triple digits.....and then do it safely. The reason it handles chop and rough water so well, is because of the deadrise and the sharp entry. Like stated above, it does a LOT of things really well, but chasing triple digits in a hull not designed for all out speed may not be wise.

You'd need a pretty advanced V-bottom hull design like a Fountain, Hustler, Outer limits, etc. to see those speeds.
No one buys a 240 for performance. It’s like a Cadillac on water. Want to ride on top, buy a Nordic, Howard
 

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I hope they sell the hell out of this boat. Will be interesting to see where engine/drive packages go with the new sales. If you look at most of the 240/255 boats, and 500, 520, 525, or 540 was considered an amazing upgrade. Most buyers weren't looking for power upgrades, just a good old family boat. You don't see a lot with blue motors, Phaff, Teague, or GT motors out of the factory.
 

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I hope they sell the hell out of this boat. Will be interesting to see where engine/drive packages go with the new sales. If you look at most of the 240/255 boats, and 500, 520, 525, or 540 was considered an amazing upgrade. Most buyers weren't looking for power upgrades, just a good old family boat. You don't see a lot with blue motors, Phaff, Teague, or GT motors out of the factory.
Small block and a Jet be too tame to love a family around?
 

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Small block and a Jet be too tame to love a family around?
Well I hope they aren't doing a jet in that hull.

I think you missed my point of my comment, this thread has turned into performance and pricing, as well as where the market is now. My point was to say, with where we are in the market I wonder what they will see for motor selections as historicaly this niche of the market for the old 240/255 was base or one step up on power.
 

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Well I hope they aren't doing a jet in that hull.

I think you missed my point of my comment, this thread has turned into performance and pricing, as well as where the market is now. My point was to say, with where we are in the market I wonder what they will see for motor selections as historicaly this niche of the market for the old 240/255 was base or one step up on power.
In that case, base power will be a 8.2 Mag 380HP/B3 but Most people will upgrade to a 520/B1 XR/SM
 

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In that case, base power will be a 8.2 Mag 380HP/B3 but Most people will upgrade to a 520/B1 XR/SM
There would actually be the HO from the mag. When we built our boat the HO was the next step up that most people chose due to the upgrade being in 5k range if i remeber correctly. When you stepped into the blue motors is where there was a big jump.

I was wondering it they would step up more since the comment above my original post was I would take one with a Teague 825. Got me thinking what would the current market drive in selections.
 
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