Low flow toilets, WTF

[whiteworks]

These new low flow toilets need to be flushed 2-3 times to move the load down the line. So last round it was 1.6 gallons, now it’s 1.28 gallons per flush which equals 2.56 gallons or 3.84 gallons for double or triple flush. Sometimes things were originally designed a certain way because that’s what fucking works LOL

Maybe @RiverDave will chime in as he knows more than the average bear about this stuff.

Long story short I’m thinking about starting a smuggling outfit that brings contraband like high flow toilets, incandescent light bulbs, non spill proof gas cans, washing machines that work from free America into the peoples republic of California

What other things could be smuggled in?

 

[attitude]

Do toilets not claim how many golf balls they could flush anymore lol?

 

[RiverDave]

These new low flow toilets need to be flushed 2-3 times to move the load down the line. So last round it was 1.6 gallons, now it’s 1.28 gallons per flush which equals 2.56 gallons or 3.84 gallons for double or triple flush. Sometimes things were originally designed a certain way because that’s what fucking works LOL

Maybe @RiverDave will chime in as he knows more than the average bear about this stuff.

Long story short I’m thinking about starting a smuggling outfit that brings contraband like high flow toilets, incandescent light bulbs, non spill proof gas cans, washing machines that work from free America into the peoples republic of California

What other things could be smuggled in?

Apparently ammo.. lol

 

[whiteworks]

Do toilets not claim how many golf balls they could flush anymore lol?

They seem to have them able to clear the bowl with low flow, but it’s not enough water to carry the load down the line. The term shit flows down hill isn’t entirely true, water flows down hill and carries shit with it LOL

Fucking nanny state. I’m optimistic that the smartest man in the world can and will fix the stupidity, but I’m “NOT SURE”.

 

[RiverDave]

Do toilets not claim how many golf balls they could flush anymore lol?

When I used to test them there were several media tests.. from traditional napkins to golf balls, smaller media etc.. I’m not sure what they would use to test now.. generally speaking though things like golf balls and other floating small balls are pretty useless on a media test

 

[whiteworks]

Apparently ammo.. lol

That sounds like trouble, I’m thinking more like chewing gum with sugar and dumb shit like that.

 

[whiteworks]

When I used to test them there were several media tests.. from traditional napkins to golf balls, smaller media etc.. I’m not sure what they would use to test now.. generally speaking though things like golf balls and other floating small balls are pretty useless on a media test

Was the metric to just clear the bowl or was it about moving the load down the line also? How many gallons were you pushing through your valves?

 

[TimeBandit]

Water heaters, lawn equipment, lead wheel weights, lacquer... So many things I have forgotten what regulations have effected.

 

[whiteworks]

Water heaters, lawn equipment, lead wheel weights, lacquer... So many things I have forgotten what regulations have effected.

How did they fuck up water heaters?

 

[attitude]

When I used to test them there were several media tests.. from traditional napkins to golf balls, smaller media etc.. I’m not sure what they would use to test now.. generally speaking though things like golf balls and other floating small balls are pretty useless on a media test

No idea you used to test toilets.

I just remember my step dad replacing the toilet in his bathroom and bragging how many golf balls it could flush

 

[TimeBandit]

How did they fuck up water heaters?

California now has emissions controls laws that apply to water heaters. They want everyone to have electric.

Starting January 1, 2027, new natural gas-powered standard tank water heaters cannot be sold or installed. Existing gas water heaters can be repaired, but once they can no longer be operated, they must be replaced with an electric or heat-pump powered water heater.

 

[rmarion]

diesel trucks

 

[RiverDave]

That sounds like trouble, I’m thinking more like chewing gum with sugar and dumb shit like that.

Menthol cigs and flavored vapes, generators you name it.. all kinds of shit

RD

 

[whiteworks]

California now has emissions controls laws that apply to water heaters. They want everyone to have electric.

Starting January 1, 2027, new natural gas-powered standard tank water heaters cannot be sold or installed. Existing gas water heaters can be repaired, but once they can no longer be operated, they must be replaced with an electric or heat-pump powered water heater.

Seems like a warehouse full of real water heaters may be a solid investment right now.

 

[Gelcoater]

These new low flow toilets need to be flushed 2-3 times to move the load down the line. So last round it was 1.6 gallons, now it’s 1.28 gallons per flush which equals 2.56 gallons or 3.84 gallons for double or triple flush. Sometimes things were originally designed a certain way because that’s what fucking works LOL

Maybe @RiverDave will chime in as he knows more than the average bear about this stuff.

Long story short I’m thinking about starting a smuggling outfit that brings contraband like high flow toilets, incandescent light bulbs, non spill proof gas cans, washing machines that work from free America into the peoples republic of California

What other things could be smuggled in?

Bring me some Dimethylaniline.
DMA for short.

 

[badgas]

Menthol cigs and flavored vapes, generators you name it.. all kinds of shit

RD

You forget they have also banned common sense

 

[whiteworks]

 

[Gelcoater]

Menthol cigs and flavored vapes, generators you name it.. all kinds of shit

RD

I saw generators at Harbor Frieght last week!

 

[RiverDave]

No idea you used to test toilets.

I just remember my step dad replacing the toilet in his bathroom and bragging how many golf balls it could flush

My dad designed a few of the toilet valves that are still on the market today.. at one point they designed a few actuall toilets to work in conjunction with the valves etc.. so when I was a kid I did a lot of testing with toilets..

Pretty much anything to do with the control of gasses and liquids is what he specialized in..

Roll seal valve / axial flow valve / toilet valves / chicken feeders all kinds of shit.. lol

He actually designed the hydraulic flap actuators for the SR71..

When he passed one of his friends did a light search and printed out a binder and gave it to us as a present.. it had 115 of his patents.

Dwight N. Johnson Inventions, Patents and Patent Applications - Justia Patents Search

USPTO patent applications submitted by and patents granted to Dwight N. Johnson

patents.justia.com

 

[ChumpChange]

@whiteworks I’m a buyer! Make it happen. We were thinking about this on our last road trip and if we could stuff a couple in the Moho.

I smuggle BlueBell ice cream every time I leave the state.

 

[attitude]

My dad designed a few of the toilet valves that are still on the market today.. at one point they designed a few actuall toilets to work in conjunction with the valves etc.. so when I was a kid I did a lot of testing with toilets..

Pretty much anything to do with the control of gasses and liquids is what he specialized in..

Roll seal valve / axial flow valve / toilet valves / chicken feeders all kinds of shit.. lol

He actually designed the hydraulic flap actuators for the SR71..

When he passed one of his friends did a light search and printed out a binder and gave it to us as a present.. it had 115 of his patents.

Dwight N. Johnson Inventions, Patents and Patent Applications - Justia Patents Search

USPTO patent applications submitted by and patents granted to Dwight N. Johnson

patents.justia.com

That’s really damn cool, 115 patents including SR71s parts is one hell of a legacy.

 

[TimeBandit]

Seems like a warehouse full of real water heaters may be a solid investment right now.

I missed buying a Honda pro lawn mower last year. now they quit making them mostly due to California I suspect.

I will be buying a few water heaters.

On that subject what's the route around the agricultural station?

 

[4Waters]

All 4 of us take 2 and sometimes 3 shits a day, everyone of those shits has to get a double flush

 

[attitude]

Add shower heads, faucets, and oil based paints to your list of potential items.

 

[77charger]

i should be importing from az to ca since i ususally go 2 times a month for work to ca.might have to get a trailer and take orders for items and drop off along the way.LOL

already take some things for friends here and there.

 

[Gelcoater]

based paints to your list of potential items.

And turpentine!

 

[NicPaus]

Quality toilets are in demand! I went to Costco last night to grab a Kohler smart toilet. Was there Friday and they had a shit load of them. Customer gave me the go ahead Saturday. None left. He checked the system they were sold out by Saturday. Never expected a $1600 toilet to sell so well just before the holidays. They do have a nice Toto in its place for only $350.

 

[whiteworks]

i should be importing from az to ca since i ususally go 2 times a month for work to ca.might have to get a trailer and take orders for items and drop off along the way.LOL

already take some things for friends here and there.

I’m sure we could set up a whole armada of “importers” just with the RDP commuters LOL

 

[whiteworks]

Quality toilets are in demand! I went to Costco last night to grab a Kohler smart toilet. Was there Friday and they had a shit load of them. Customer gave me the go ahead Saturday. None left. He checked the system they were sold out by Saturday. Never expected a $1600 toilet to sell so well just before the holidays. They do have a nice Toto in its place for only $350.

Just picked up a nice Toto at hirschfor $250.00 they also have a popular Gerber for just under $400.00 both of these toilets are there best sellers right now with actual plumbers.

 

[185EZ]

Auto start stop on cars drives me nuts

I deactivated the DFM, digital fuel management , where it deactivates cylinders to save gas,
My MPG literally went up.

Funniest one is CA requires battery operated garage door openers in case of electric blackout?
I thought pulling the rope was a good idea.

 

[hallett21]

No idea you used to test toilets.

I just remember my step dad replacing the toilet in his bathroom and bragging how many golf balls it could flush

lol American Standard uses that metric. And I think it’s 10 golf balls?

I’ll say we rarely if ever have a clogged toilet.

 

[attitude]

lol American Standard uses that metric. And I think it’s 10 golf balls?

I’ll say we rarely if ever have a clogged toilet.

This was about 15 years ago but I want to say around 100 golf balls was the claim.

The toilets in our current house suck, my 5 year old has even clogged the toilet multiple times.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Water heaters
Gas stoves
Generators
Gas powered vehicles
Ammo
Toilets
Lead anything
Toy guns (airsoft)
Garage door openers
Magazines for guns
Guns
Any performance car part including tuners

What else am I missing

 

[Gelcoater]

What else am I missing

A new governor
Freedom

 

[RiverDave]

That’s really damn cool, 115 patents including SR71s parts is one hell of a legacy.

There is a lot more stuff out there.. that’s just what he found.

The fountain at the bellagio in Vegas is controlled by roll seal valves.. he designed those back in the 70’s..

He would mostly design something start a biz sell the biz design something else..

RD

 

[Mandelon]

Just hold the handle down til the tank empties.

 

[NicPaus]

Just picked up a nice Toto at hirschfor $250.00 they also have a popular Gerber for just under $400.00 both of these toilets are there best sellers right now with actual plumbers.

They have the Toto Drake with seat supply line and wax ring for $350. If I recall it's $380 my price at Hirsch. Without the install kit.

I have 2 Gerbers almost ready to install in my project house. I got them from Costco a while ago for $99 each on clearance. I have the same 1 in my house. Dual flush button. The Gerber Viper is the go to for rentals. Supposedly the best flush. This Gerber is good no issues.
I still double or triple flush it when I shit just to get it to the main.

The Toto washlet is back to $350 it was $300 until the 20th. It's like $380 at Hirsch. But I don't like the side controls.

 

[DRYHEAT]

Who knew, Dave really knows his shit about shit.

 

[Gelcoater]

Who knew, Dave really knows his shit about shit.

I’m not sure. Is it coincidence or irony considering the China Buffet experience?

 

[DWC]

California now has emissions controls laws that apply to water heaters. They want everyone to have electric.

Starting January 1, 2027, new natural gas-powered standard tank water heaters cannot be sold or installed. Existing gas water heaters can be repaired, but once they can no longer be operated, they must be replaced with an electric or heat-pump powered water heater.

Just sat through a class on heat pump water heaters. If you’re replacing an electric water heater, (small % of CA), the payback is fairly quick. If you’re replacing a gas heater, it’s just plain expensive. Very expensive. It will work on 120v but not well and a much slower refresh. Good luck running new electrical to it to make it work right.

 

[DRYHEAT]

I’m not sure. Is it coincidence or irony considering the China Buffet experience?

That article did cross my mind when I wrote my reply, still one of the funniest things I’ve ever read on here.

 

[DWC]

When I used to test them there were several media tests.. from traditional napkins to golf balls, smaller media etc.. I’m not sure what they would use to test now.. generally speaking though things like golf balls and other floating small balls are pretty useless on a media test

They do golf balls somewhat as a gimmick. The real testing is artificial poo. Pretty gross stuff but accurate.

PS. If anyone is looking the American Standard Champion series is the best flush for the buck. High end toilets look nice but worry more about looks than getting rid of a big deuce. Put on in the kids bathroom when we had a full house. Stopped having to constantly plunge the old one.

 

[NicPaus]

Just sat through a class on heat pump water heaters. If you’re replacing an electric water heater, (small % of CA), the payback is fairly quick. If you’re replacing a gas heater, it’s just plain expensive. Very expensive. It will work on 120v but not well and a much slower refresh. Good luck running new electrical to it to make it work right.

I need to buy one this week. Almost 2k otd. Problem is they take a lot longer to heat up. That's why the smaller one is 50 gallons. Regular electric one is $500 in comparison. It's required on my title 24 page for that job.

Have not heard what a swap out is but imagine $4500-5000. Average gas water heater with swap out is $2200. And electric $1600

 

[whiteworks]

They have the Toto Drake with seat supply line and wax ring for $350. If I recall it's $380 my price at Hirsch. Without the install kit.

I have 2 Gerbers almost ready to install in my project house. I got them from Costco a while ago for $99 each on clearance. I have the same 1 in my house. Dual flush button. The Gerber Viper is the go to for rentals. Supposedly the best flush. This Gerber is good no issues.
I still double or triple flush it when I shit just to get it to the main.

The Toto washlet is back to $350 it was $300 until the 20th. It's like $380 at Hirsch. But I don't like the side controls.

Counter guy told me the Toto was on sale. I was at $250.00 out the door with wax ring, and tube of caulk. Purchased a seat and supply line, and filler valve separately as I was rebuilding the old toilet until I noticed the tank was cracked and had a pinhole leak

 

[ChiliPepperGarage]

One of my pet peeves is low water pressure in a shower. I encounter this in hotels when I travel so now I always carry a cordless drill and tools. I'll disassemble the shower head and either remove the little plastic restrictor or drill a larger hole in it. I don't think any hotel management ever knows but I'm sure guests staying in the room after me appreciate it!

 

[DWC]

I need to buy one this week. Almost 2k otd. Problem is they take a lot longer to heat up. That's why the smaller one is 50 gallons. Regular electric one is $500 in comparison. It's required on my title 24 page for that job.

Have not heard what a swap out is but imagine $4500-5000. Average gas water heater with swap out is $2200. And electric $1600

Here’s the info we were given. 110V will take a while to warm up. (They wouldn’t even talk about it). They’re damn expensive units even with rebates.

 

[wallnutz]

One of my pet peeves is low water pressure in a shower. I encounter this in hotels when I travel so now I always carry a cordless drill and tools. I'll disassemble the shower head and either remove the little plastic restrictor or drill a larger hole in it. I don't think any hotel management ever knows but I'm sure guests staying in the room after me appreciate it!

When we raced in Primm for years, I would always drill out the shower heads at Buffalo Bills. There was at least 20 rooms that had good showers.

 

[DWC]

Water heaters
Gas stoves
Generators
Gas powered vehicles
Ammo
Toilets
Lead anything
Toy guns (airsoft)
Garage door openers
Magazines for guns
Guns
Any performance car part including tuners

What else am I missing

Fluorescent tubes. Grab them while you can. They’re not phasing out on this one. No “sell while you have old supply” like on everything else.

 

[Backlash]

Add to the list....

Wood stoves
Anything two-stroke

Newscum, CARB, AQMD and others are all a bunch of fucksticks. They should be hauled out and dropped off at the train station.

 

[NicPaus]

Here’s the info we were given. 110V will take a while to warm up. (They wouldn’t even talk about it). They’re damn expensive units even with rebates.

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They must be paying way more for natural gas than I am. My gas bill avg is $15 a month with a gas water heater. Using the stove a few times only.