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Why would I care about the Clintons?
Never voted for them and they are not in office, but as usual, nice try by you when you don’t have anything!
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You are right...there is no criminal action here. And this happened 10 years ago before Trump was in office. The NDA was signed before Trump was in office.

Tell us why anyone should care?
 

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You are right...there is no criminal action here. And this happened 10 years ago before Trump was in office. The NDA was signed before Trump was in office.

Tell us why anyone should care?

There will be if it’s proved Trump broke a campaign finance law.
Give it some time, it’s in its infancy. These things take a long time to get to the bottom of, especially when you’re dealing with liars and deceptionists.

In the meantime use google and ask if this hush money paid to Stormy can be considered a violation of campaign finance laws rather than show your ignorance of the subject matter.
 

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There will be if it’s proved Trump broke a campaign finance law.
Give it some time, it’s in its infancy. These things take a long time to get to the bottom of, especially when you’re dealing with liars and deceptionists.

In the meantime use google and ask if this hush money paid to Stormy can be considered a violation of campaign finance laws rather than show your ignorance of the subject matter.
Good luck trying to change anybody's mind.

Kennedy cheated. Clinton cheated. We know trump cheated on his 1st wife and probably his 3rd wife. Its all good. :D
 

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And this happened 10 years ago before Trump was in office. The NDA was signed before Trump was in office.

I didn’t thoroughly address your remarks.
Yes, Trump was allegedly fucking Stormy in ‘06 while Melania was home preggers with lil Barron, nothing illegal about that.
If we’re talking about the same document, David Dennison (Trump) did not sign the hush document in Oct 2016 at the time Cohen took out a home equity line of credit to keep Stormy quiet. Stormy says the hush agreement is null and void because Trump (aka David Dennison) did not execute it. So Stormy will be able to blackmail David Dennison (aka Trump) for more money IMO. [emoji106][emoji106]
 

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Good luck trying to change anybody's mind.

Kennedy cheated. Clinton cheated. We know trump cheated on his 1st wife and probably his 3rd wife. Its all good. :D

I’m having fun with the Trump cultists, they’d defend him if he shot someone in the middle of 5th ave.
I’m surprised they haven’t dug up something about Hillary cheating on Bill. [emoji3]
 

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Here is what i never understood.
Who gives a fuck on who ( even POTUS )
Has or had an affair. As long as it doesn't effect you personally. [emoji202]

Another stupid thread that has meaningless post

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I didn’t thoroughly address your remarks.
Yes, Trump was allegedly fucking Stormy in ‘06 while Melania was home preggers with lil Barron, nothing illegal about that.
If we’re talking about the same document, David Dennison (Trump) did not sign the hush document in Oct 2016 at the time Cohen took out a home equity line of credit to keep Stormy quiet. Stormy says the hush agreement is null and void because Trump (aka David Dennison) did not execute it. So Stormy will be able to blackmail David Dennison (aka Trump) for more money IMO. [emoji106][emoji106]

Stormy is just attention whoring. Payment is going to be taken as her agreement, unless there was something Trumps lawyer was supposed to provide and didn’t. She can’t take the cash and open her trap. She’s gonna get her ass sued for defamation, but she doesn’t care because someone else is bankrolling her legal bills.


Like I asked before, who cares? No one voted for Trump because of his moral character. You made mention earlier that the media said “campaign laws were somehow broken”. Are you backing off that dumb assertion?

I’ll ask again, what are you trying to prove here? That Trump was unfaithful in his marriage? We knew that when he cheated on Ivana decades ago. No one voted him in on his moral fiber.
 

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Stormy is just attention whoring. Payment is going to be taken as her agreement, unless there was something Trumps lawyer was supposed to provide and didn’t. She can’t take the cash and open her trap. She’s gonna get her ass sued for defamation, but she doesn’t care because someone else is bankrolling her legal bills.


Like I asked before, who cares? No one voted for Trump because of his moral character. You made mention earlier that the media said “campaign laws were somehow broken”. Are you backing off that dumb assertion?

I’ll ask again, what are you trying to prove here? That Trump was unfaithful in his marriage? We knew that when he cheated on Ivana decades ago. No one voted him in on his moral fiber.

Nope, not backing off the assertion he broke a campaign law.
As I said earlier you should educate yourself because it appears from your posts you’re ignorant of the situation or trying to bluff your way through at this point and save face.
 

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Nope, not backing off the assertion he broke a campaign law.
As I said earlier you should educate yourself because it appears from your posts you’re ignorant of the situation or trying to bluff your way through at this point and save face.

That’s funny because you can’t even tell us what law was broken.

So who is bluffing who?
 

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Doesn't matter. Even if she was a porn star, she is the classiest 1st lady we have had since Nancy reagan. The best looking we have had since Jacqueline.



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Absolutely.

Besides, just having an actual female 1st lady again is a step in the right direction.
 

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That’s funny because you can’t even tell us what law was broken.

So who is bluffing who?

A campaign finance law. I don’t know the statute but if the payoff came from any campaign related source he broke a law. Does it rise to the level of Impeachment, probably not, but I enjoy see him fry and you cultists defend him.

Btw, you said earlier “if Trumps lawyer didn’t sign the agreement”...that’s when it became apparent you have little knowledge of the subject matter because NO ONE in Trumps camp executed it. That is the centerpiece of her lawsuit, if you knew what you are talking about you would not have bungled that. Nice try! [emoji122]
 

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A campaign finance law. I don’t know the statute but if the payoff came from any campaign related source he broke a law. Does it rise to the level of Impeachment, probably not, but I enjoy see him fry and you cultists defend him.

Btw, you said earlier “if Trumps lawyer didn’t sign the agreement”...that’s when it became apparent you have little knowledge of the subject matter because NO ONE in Trumps camp executed it. That is the centerpiece of her lawsuit, if you knew what you are talking about you would not have bungled that. Nice try! [emoji122]

If he didn’t execute it, how is a law broken?
 

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A campaign finance law. I don’t know the statute but if the payoff came from any campaign related source he broke a law. Does it rise to the level of Impeachment, probably not, but I enjoy see him fry and you cultists defend him.

Btw, you said earlier “if Trumps lawyer didn’t sign the agreement”...that’s when it became apparent you have little knowledge of the subject matter because NO ONE in Trumps camp executed it. That is the centerpiece of her lawsuit, if you knew what you are talking about you would not have bungled that. Nice try! [emoji122]

Wrong. Once again the written word has proven beyond your grasp.

I never said anything about Trumps lawyer signing anything. Go ahead and show me the post #, I’ll walk away laughing like Stormy in your retweet.

I said if Trumps lawyer was to provide anything else as part of the NDA aside from payment, the NDA could be void. Trump’s lawyer provided the money on behalf of his client. If there were other terms that were not met, she might have a leg to stand on.

Read the rest of your own regurgitated article.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/403889002

After the random ambiguous blurb about “campaign finance” lawyers also say Stormy’s is a weak argument. If you cash the check you agree to the terms of the NDA. Unless the other side was supposed to provide something beyond the payment.

If Trump’s campaign didn’t pay for it, no laws were broken. As long as Trump kept a layer of plausible deniability of the situation, this goes nowhere.

Again, the porn star is just trying to get some attention. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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If he didn’t execute it, how is a law broken?

Lol that even works in the pretzel factory.

I guarantee he never signed it for just that reason. He could always claim my lawyer was doing his job trying to protect me and made a mistake paying this woman without my knowledge.
 

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If he didn’t execute it, how is a law broken?

Not sure why I’m bothering responding to this question but it might educate LOF to.
There’s 2 things in play here; First, Trump may have broke a campaign finance law if the $130K that was paid to Stormy came from the campaign rather than out of David Dennison’s (aka Trump’s) pocket.
Second, since Trump(aka David Dennison) did not execute the NDA, Stormy wants it declared null and void so she can sell her story.
So as you can see your boy is getting played good, Stormy got her money and in essence she is sueing to sell her story to the highest bidder who may well be Trump, lol.
 

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Not sure why I’m bothering responding to this question but it might educate LOF to.
There’s 2 things in play here; First, Trump may have broke a campaign finance law if the $130K that was paid to Stormy came from the campaign rather than out of David Dennison’s (aka Trump’s) pocket.
Second, since Trump(aka David Dennison) did not execute the NDA, Stormy wants it declared null and void so she can sell her story.
So as you can see your boy is getting played good, Stormy got her money and in essence she is sueing to sell her story to the highest bidder who may well be Trump, lol.

Dude.. I already said 6 hours ago if they paid with campaign funds it should have been declared. But if the agreement is void, then it becomes an accounting error.

He’s not getting played.. Stormy is going to have her ass opened up bigger than it was in her porn days with the defamation suit. If you cash the check you accept the terms.

What she might be able to do is give the money back since the NDA was never signed at which time, the agreement is void, so again, accounting error. I don’t know if this is an option for her.

What you don’t understand is that whatever damage there was to do has already been done. Trump has nothing to lose now.

Either she’s giving the cash back and getting a defamation suit, or she’s keeping the cash and getting a defamation suit.

Trump has an out because the NDA was never signed, I’m
certain by design. The lawyer will end up taking the fall if this goes south.

Trump is 100% fine unless they can tie the cash to campaign funds that were not his, and that he had knowledge of the payment. But he also largely self funded, so have fun with that.
 

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Wrong. Once again the written word has proven beyond your grasp.

I never said anything about Trumps lawyer signing anything. Go ahead and show me the post #, I’ll walk away laughing like Stormy in your retweet.

I said if Trumps lawyer was to provide anything else as part of the NDA aside from payment, the NDA could be void. Trump’s lawyer provided the money on behalf of his client. If there were other terms that were not met, she might have a leg to stand on.

Read the rest of your own regurgitated article.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/403889002

After the random ambiguous blurb about “campaign finance” lawyers also say Stormy’s is a weak argument. If you cash the check you agree to the terms of the NDA. Unless the other side was supposed to provide something beyond the payment.

If Trump’s campaign didn’t pay for it, no laws were broken. As long as Trump kept a layer of plausible deniability of the situation, this goes nowhere.

Again, the porn star is just trying to get some attention. Nothing more, nothing less.

Dude stay down, you said in post 51 the NDA was signed, throw the shovel down before you smother yourself with more BS!
SMH here, you just keep contradicting yourself! [emoji23][emoji469][emoji122]
 

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Dude stay down, you said in post 51 the NDA was signed, throw the shovel down before you smother yourself with more BS!
SMH here, you just keep contradicting yourself! [emoji23][emoji469][emoji122]

With regard to post 51.. It was signed by the person who got the money, before the election. Those are undisputed facts.

This is what you said, that I said.

Btw, you said earlier “if Trumps lawyer didn’t sign the agreement”..

I’m still waiting for you to show me this one, because I never typed it.

Please tell me your job involves math and not reading or writing. This is getting pathetic.
 

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Lol that even works in the pretzel factory.

I guarantee he never signed it for just that reason. He could always claim my lawyer was doing his job trying to protect me and made a mistake paying this woman without my knowledge.

It was an honest question.
To be clear, I don’t like cheaters. It’s a concept that always seemed bizarre and stupid. Ive been in marriages that went south, I got divorced then went all hound dog. I’ve never understood saying “I do” then spend your time looking for something else.
It’s stupid to me, why the fuck get married just to fuck around?
Now, I’ve been told that powerful rich men covet their hookups as conquests and trophy’s. I can certainly believe that with Trump.
He is a gigantic asshole and has always been an egomaniac.
As has been pointed out in this thread, he certainly is not the first President to fuck around...but what I find baffling is that his haters continue to underestimate him.
I agree, he did not sign that on purpose. Not as Donald Trump, Dennison, Dirk Diggler or the King of Siam.

I find it curious that the haters like the OP have hoisted the porn star into their shoulders and anointed her as “the one”, but refuse to consider for one split second that ANY of the murdered prostitutes and hookups concerning Obama were telling the truth.
Stormy Daniels is their darling, but anyone else is a liar and conspiracy theorist.
 

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With regard to post 51.. It was signed by the person who got the money, before the election. Those are undisputed facts.

This is what you said, that I said.



I’m still waiting for you to show me this one, because I never typed it.

Please tell me your job involves math and not reading or writing. This is getting pathetic.

Go read post 51 again and again, eventually you’ll realize...you said it was signed. I’m here to tell you it never was signed by anyone, on Trumps side which is why Stormy is sueing to get out of it. Again, you either need to slow your roll or go educate yourself about this before running your BS bluff at me.
 

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Lol that even works in the pretzel factory.

I guarantee he never signed it for just that reason. He could always claim my lawyer was doing his job trying to protect me and made a mistake paying this woman without my knowledge.

It was an honest question.
To be clear, I don’t like cheaters. It’s a concept that always seemed bizarre and stupid. Ive been in marriages that went south, I got divorced then went all hound dog. I’ve never understood saying “I do” then spend your time looking for something else.
It’s stupid to me, why the fuck get married just to fuck around?
Now, I’ve been told that powerful rich men covet their hookups as conquests and trophy’s. I can certainly believe that with Trump.
He is a gigantic asshole and has always been an egomaniac.
As has been pointed out in this thread, he certainly is not the first President to fuck around...but what I find baffling is that his haters continue to underestimate him.
I agree, he did not sign that on purpose. Not as Donald Trump, Dennison, Dirk Diggler or the King of Siam.

I find it curious that the haters like the OP have hoisted the porn star into their shoulders and anointed her as “the one”, but refuse to consider for one split second that ANY of the murdered prostitutes and hookups concerning Obama were telling the truth.
Stormy Daniels is their darling, but anyone else is a liar and conspiracy theorist.
Not sure why I’m bothering responding to this question but it might educate LOF to.
There’s 2 things in play here; First, Trump may have broke a campaign finance law if the $130K that was paid to Stormy came from the campaign rather than out of David Dennison’s (aka Trump’s) pocket.
Second, since Trump(aka David Dennison) did not execute the NDA, Stormy wants it declared null and void so she can sell her story.
So as you can see your boy is getting played good, Stormy got her money and in essence she is sueing to sell her story to the highest bidder who may well be Trump, lol.

Played? He’s already won.
You yourself said the lawyer leveraged property for the money.
Who knows if it’s true but like they say, it isn’t what you know it’s what you can prove.
Nowhere anywhere is a sig from Trump.
You think he gives a fuck about about a few hundred G’s?
If he did he would have just had her killed like the penny pinching greed monger Clinton’s.
Played... that’s fucking funny.

Nowhere in your response is there anything that would lead anywhere as far as culpability.

We’ve have learned nothing we didn’t already know.
1) Trump is a philanderer
2) he can afford to bang only the hottest quif.
3) He knows how to maintain separation from culpability.
4) Your nose is buried in his shit.
 

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Go read post 51 again and again, eventually you’ll realize...you said it was signed. I’m here to tell you it never was signed by anyone, on Trumps side which is why Stormy is sueing to get out of it. Again, you either need to slow your roll or go educate yourself about this before running your BS bluff at me.


At you? It is apparent to anyone reading this thread that you have been run over, out witted, and appear to not even comprehend what you read or even type.

I never said anyone from Trumps side ever signed it. I’ve asked you to show me where I did and you keep mumbling on like Rain Man about signatures a lawyers.

The document was signed, the picture of the doc with signatures dated before the election is above. Here is the article from CBS.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...hush-agreement-nda-non-disclosure-california/
 

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Here is what i never understood.
Who gives a fuck on who ( even POTUS )
Has or had an affair. As long as it doesn't effect you personally. [emoji202]

Another stupid thread that has meaningless post
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No doubt about it "another Stupid Thread".But,Really looks like RD is on to something here.The P&G could easily become PPV starring Stainless.This guy just did 8 hours of stand up comedy with totally no support whatsoever and absolutely no content of any relevance to current events.The Narrative comes nowhere near reality.Amasing Stainless,you walk in here every day knowing at least 75% think you are a moron and it does not bother you,in fact enjoy.It is possible i suppose you do not read the responses to your schtick.Thanks for the Entertainment Stainless,7 years to go. :)
 
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IN RESPONSE TO POST 65 OF THIS THREAD,NO DOUBT ORIGINAL POST 65 DELETED.THE MORON KNOWS THE TRUTH AND CONTINUES TO POST HIS CRAP.If anyone even mentioned this morons family he would be in RD drive way within 5 min.IN HIS vette.

LONDON — The Daily Mail apologized to Melania Trump on Wednesday 4/12/17 and agreed to pay damages of $2.9 million to settle two lawsuits she had filed over an article last year asserting that the professional modeling agency she worked for in the 1990s had also been an escort service.

“We accept that these allegations about Mrs. Trump are not true and we retract and withdraw them,” a lawyer for the British newspaper told a judge, Andrew Nicol, at the Royal Courts of Justice in London. “We apologize to Mrs. Trump for any distress that our publication caused her. To settle Mrs. Trump’s two lawsuits against us, we have agreed to pay her damages and costs.”

The terms of the settlement were not immediately disclosed. She had sought compensatory and punitive damages of at least $150 million, according to the filing.

The Daily Mail published its article on Mrs. Trump on Aug. 20, 2016, quoting from a report in a magazine in Slovenia, where she was born, and a biography of her by a journalist, Bojan Pozar.

In September, Mrs. Trump sued The Daily Mail in Montgomery County in Maryland, as well as in London, and the tabloid quickly published a retraction.
 
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At you? It is apparent to anyone reading this thread that you have been run over, out witted, and appear to not even comprehend what you read or even type.

I never said anyone from Trumps side ever signed it. I’ve asked you to show me where I did and you keep mumbling on like Rain Man about signatures a lawyers.

The document was signed, the picture of the doc with signatures dated before the election is above. Here is the article from CBS.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...hush-agreement-nda-non-disclosure-california/

Can you make up your mind? You said in post 51 “The NDA was signed before Trump was in office”, verbatim what you typed, did you not? I can’t help you if you can’t read and understand what you yourself wrote in post 51, which incidentally is were you showed that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Now in this post you contradict yourself again and start out saying it wasn’t signed and end with saying it was signed, did you not?
To top it off you posted a picture of it not signed. Lmfao!
Get your story straight, you’re all over the place!
I typed it out real simple for CTG in post 77, read it a few times so you know what’s going on.

Lastly Genius, I missed in one of your posts that Trump should sue her for defamation and open her ass up bigger than ????
Do you realize how dumb that statement is? Trump opens himself up to discovery at that point!
 

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Dude.. I already said 6 hours ago if they paid with campaign funds it should have been declared. But if the agreement is void, then it becomes an accounting error.

He’s not getting played.. Stormy is going to have her ass opened up bigger than it was in her porn days with the defamation suit. If you cash the check you accept the terms.

What she might be able to do is give the money back since the NDA was never signed at which time, the agreement is void, so again, accounting error. I don’t know if this is an option for her.

What you don’t understand is that whatever damage there was to do has already been done. Trump has nothing to lose now.

Either she’s giving the cash back and getting a defamation suit, or she’s keeping the cash and getting a defamation suit.

Trump has an out because the NDA was never signed, I’m
certain by design. The lawyer will end up taking the fall if this goes south.

Trump is 100% fine unless they can tie the cash to campaign funds that were not his, and that he had knowledge of the payment. But he also largely self funded, so have fun with that.

Quoted to preserve your defamation comments, lol.
 

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It was an honest question.
To be clear, I don’t like cheaters. It’s a concept that always seemed bizarre and stupid. Ive been in marriages that went south, I got divorced then went all hound dog. I’ve never understood saying “I do” then spend your time looking for something else.
It’s stupid to me, why the fuck get married just to fuck around?
Now, I’ve been told that powerful rich men covet their hookups as conquests and trophy’s. I can certainly believe that with Trump.
He is a gigantic asshole and has always been an egomaniac.
As has been pointed out in this thread, he certainly is not the first President to fuck around...but what I find baffling is that his haters continue to underestimate him.
I agree, he did not sign that on purpose. Not as Donald Trump, Dennison, Dirk Diggler or the King of Siam.

I find it curious that the haters like the OP have hoisted the porn star into their shoulders and anointed her as “the one”, but refuse to consider for one split second that ANY of the murdered prostitutes and hookups concerning Obama were telling the truth.
Stormy Daniels is their darling, but anyone else is a liar and conspiracy theorist.

Stormy does appear to be a shrewd business woman, “Art of the Deal”
MAHA Make America Horny Again
[emoji23][emoji469][emoji122]
 
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Here is what i never understood.
Who gives a fuck on who ( even POTUS )
Has or had an affair. As long as it doesn't effect you personally. [emoji202]

Another stupid thread that has meaningless post

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No doubt about it "another Stupid Thread".But,Really looks like RD is on to something here.The P&G could easily become PPV starring Stainless.This guy just did 8 hours of stand up comedy with totally no support whatsoever and absolutely no content of any relevance to current events.The Narrative comes nowhere near reality.Amasing Stainless,you walk in here every day knowing at least 75% think you are a moron and it does not bother you,in fact enjoy.It is possible i suppose you do not read the responses to your schtick.Thanks for the Entertainment Stainless,7 years to go. :)
Appears you 2 dopes are stupid for posting in a "stupid thread"? Think about that genius's! Lmfao!! :)
 

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Stormy does appear to be a shrewd business woman, “Art of the Deal”
MAHA Make America Horny Again
[emoji23][emoji469][emoji122]

I guess Larry Sinclair just had the wrong lawyer.
 

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Tell you what Stain,no doubt i will get banned on this one.Your way of going in this forum is total mystery to just about all of us.Your Narrative is so far from reality that you have become comedy.I seriously believe and i mean this you should be on a watch list.If for no other reason than you should not be living in this country,much less posting on a premier boating site that has generously given space for political debate,not the hatred you PROMOTE here everyday.Like said if anyone insulted your family or your twin troll family as you guys do Trump,you both would be in Rd driveway within minutes.WTF,now going after Trump 11 year old son.
 
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Tell you what Stain,no doubt i will get banned on this one.Your way of going in this forum is total mystery to just about all of us.Your Narrative is so far from reality that you have become comedy.I seriously believe and i mean this you should be on a watch list.If for no other reason than you should not be living in this country,much less posting on a premier boating site that has generously given space for political debate,not the hatred you PROMOTE here everyday.Like said if anyone insulted your family or your twin troll family as you guys do Trump,you both would be in Rd driveway within minutes.WTF,now going after Trump 11 year old son.
First off someone would actually have to read your dribble to ban you. And why do you keep bringing up RD, why would Stainer be in his driveway? You act like this is the only boating forum on the internet. Ask 2FF about other forums. Lol.

Also you claim that you care about the respect for the Presidential Office, but yet you keep posting pics of trumps pornstar girlfriend. What a fucking hypocrite.

Greatest Election Ever..:rolleyes:
 

RVR SWPR

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:) Relax Buuuby,stick with being a harmless follower.This will all be over soon,about 7 years.
Buuuby would you consider selling some of the " Likes " you always bragging about? :)
 
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Buuuby,are you nodding off again.Let's go here,concentrate Buuuby,it is now your turn to insult me,you know how this works. :)
 

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Saucers gonna hit the roof when he reads this shit.
Poor bastard try’s to take a weekend off and Shameus shits the bed before Saturday cocktail hour.
Bobby’s tryin to mop this shit up before the boss sees it, but even he’s just phoning it in.

Sauce is going to have to clock in, throw a net on shameus, rip Bobby a new one for letting Shameus run untethered, and then TRY to enjoy the rest of his weekend.
I feel sorry for those on the wrong end of a Saucer ass chewing...when he chews ass he LITERALLY chews it!
 

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Jesus. LOF down here beating Shamus down left and right, you might as well give up bro, he does not comprehend English.

He cannot understand that President Trump's lawyer paid the porn star, there was no crime committed. There will never be anything that comes from this, it's just more shit slinging because nothing they have tried has worked yet...old Teflon Don has their number, and it's driving them all insane...:D
 
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