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[BHC Vic]

All these guys getting certified to be welders not a penny out of pocket. Look up the cost of welding schools. All this brand new material, not a penny out of pocket and we burn it up and throw it away. It’s not all bad, but there will always be union haters and that’s fine. Beautiful day that’s for sure

 

[traquer]

That boat sailed 3 pages back sir!

Lol yeah. I'd call you a bunch of seawards for steering the conversation away.. but it's entertainment of a different sort so I'm good with it lol.

I know dick all about unions as a marketing guy, but this stuff is pretty enlightening. I'll has to ask pops about how he got his journeyman electricians license and IBEW stories. Well I know one of em but the story will remain untold here lol. Some of you probably know it or heard of it.

 

[BHC Vic]

And all bullshit aside this training center is badass. I’m extremely proud to be apart of this

 

[BHC Vic]

 

[HullofaTime]

This has to be one of the most epic thread hijacks of all time.

Funny thing is, he’s not even on here, think I’ll have to tell him to create an account

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Funny thing is, he’s not even on here, think I’ll have to tell him to create an account

His bender postings would be a solid competitor for Dan’s decoder postings lol

 

[TeamGreene]

All these guys getting certified to be welders not a penny out of pocket. Look up the cost of welding schools. All this brand new material, not a penny out of pocket and we burn it up and throw it away. It’s not all bad, but there will always be union haters and that’s fine. Beautiful day that’s for sure View attachment 1367421

This right here tells me s lot. " Not a penny out of pocket" Well they may not have brought their materials/supplies with them but they paid for them. And saying that the union paid for it is like saying the government paid for something.

 

[77charger]

I never understood the union mindset. Worked with union guys that all they could dream about was getting credits or whatever it is then they make more money and always treated other union guys that ranked below them like fucking shit. Investing time into a position that gets capped doesn't make sense to me and you're still dependent on someone finding work for you and still have to work 40 hours a week, when work is available. Seems like there's to many rules and handcuffs.

What I dont get is the union workers picketing jobs that don’t use union labor. I mean after all a builder can choose who they want to work and build their buildings.

My impression of some union workers is they want it easy and don’t want to give the extra when needed it’s all about taking the easiest task and getting top dollar. Then you get the strokes where guys can be out of work for weeks while the union boss drives up getting paid and tell guys to stick it out but won’t give them their money.

They ain’t for everyone like bhc says though no beef with him just my opinion

 

[BHC Vic]

This right here tells me s lot. " Not a penny out of pocket" Well they may not have brought their materials/supplies with them but they paid for them. And saying that the union paid for it is like saying the government paid for something.

I made it very clear pages back the every hour they work $.64 goes to the apprenticeship and that’s what pays for this. So the contractor pays it as a part of the total benefit package. So like I said not a penny out of their pocket it goes straight from the contractor to the fund. 48 an hour on the check and the rest fringe benefits.

As far as not getting paid and bosses saying stick it out. That is 100% non union. You will not be a union contractor the second you try that. The union will pull all man power and gc will get a lean

 

[hallett21]

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Can we see who posted that lol?

 

[BHC Vic]

What I dont get is the union workers picketing jobs that don’t use union labor. I mean after all a builder can choose who they want to work and build their buildings.

My impression of some union workers is they want it easy and don’t want to give the extra when needed it’s all about taking the easiest task and getting top dollar. Then you get the strokes where guys can be out of work for weeks while the union boss drives up getting paid and tell guys to stick it out but won’t give them their money.

They ain’t for everyone like bhc says though no beef with him just my opinion

So In my union you get your own work. If I get laid off today tomorrow I’m calling every super I know looking for a spot. I’m not sitting. As far as picketing it’s very rare that we do that. It’s too late at that point. We are bigger on going to city council meetings and talking to planning commissions. That’s how we secure work. Picketing is old school and not efficient

 

[hallett21]

View attachment 1367456 View attachment 1367457 View attachment 1367458 View attachment 1367459 View attachment 1367460 And all bullshit aside this training center is badass. I’m extremely proud to be apart of this

Anyone who argues the quality of training the union provides is smoking some good shit. There’s nothing like it.

 

[BHC Vic]

Can we see who posted that lol?

Looks like some author ???

 

[hallett21]

So In my union you get your own work. If I get laid off today tomorrow I’m calling every super I know looking for a spot. I’m not sitting. As far as picketing it’s very rare that we do that. It’s too late at that point. We are bigger on going to city council meetings and talking to planning commissions. That’s how we secure work. Picketing is old school and not efficient

Put the shovel down

 

[BHC Vic]

Put the shovel down

There’s a reason I was running for city council last year. This year we are very close

 

[hallett21]

There’s a reason I was running for city council last year. This year we are very close

You can see where this starts to run off the rails right?

No different than a politician creating policy to suite their needs/benefits.

 

[BHC Vic]

You can see where this starts to run off the rails right?

No different than a politician creating policy to suite their needs/benefits.

Absolutely… it’s all about that hustle that I know nothing about

 

[Bobby V]

So In my union you get your own work. If I get laid off today tomorrow I’m calling every super I know looking for a spot. I’m not sitting. As far as picketing it’s very rare that we do that. It’s too late at that point. We are bigger on going to city council meetings and talking to planning commissions. That’s how we secure work. Picketing is old school and not efficient

City Council meetings and PLAs. Never picketed in all my years.

 

[BHC Vic]

City Council meetings and PLAs. Never picketed in all my years.

How are those classrooms I built at the hall? That was a fun little project, your reps are cool guys.

 

[Bobby V]

How are those classrooms I built at the hall? That was a fun little project, your reps are cool guys.

They came out great. They are being used to train a lot of the local fire departments and the apprentices. Danny retired the same time I did. Wish I would have made it to the hall when you were there.

 

[RichardMango]

View attachment 1367456 View attachment 1367457 View attachment 1367458 View attachment 1367459 View attachment 1367460 And all bullshit aside this training center is badass. I’m extremely proud to be apart of this

Looks like the interior is unfinished

 

[BHC Vic]

Looks like the interior is unfinished

It’s a slow week. They build walls under the grid and attach to it. Normally there’s projects being built there every week but there’s no interior classes this week and I’m assuming because of the delegate meeting Saturday.

 

[Joker]

Anyone who argues the quality of training the union provides is smoking some good shit. There’s nothing like it.

It's not only the training, it's a fact that a union jobsite will be 10x safer than a non union site. Yeah it takes longer but you'll go home with all your limbs. This is the one reason I as a non union contractor enjoy working union sites.

 

[Bigbore500r]

This right here tells me s lot. " Not a penny out of pocket" Well they may not have brought their materials/supplies with them but they paid for them. And saying that the union paid for it is like saying the governement paid for something

Dont shoot the messenger, but here's some facts:

What Vic is saying is true - the members don't pay much, if at all. Dues are a paltry $20 per month out of the worker's pocket, to be in the Carpenter's Union.
The majority of dues are paid by the companies who employ the workers - they must pay $$$ to multiple categories for each man hour worked.

Here's what a contractor must pay the Union in Northern California for employing union Carpenters - Fringe benefits by man hour:

Aside from that - here's their Hourly income, on the check:
2023 Carpenters wage / rate card (Northern California)

For a career working with their hands and not owning their own business, these guys do just fine . . .

 

[Nordie]

This is entertaining, but my head is kind of spinning at the same time.

Observations/ Questions
Has Fuckstick tried a different prop?
How come the carpenters have a nicer welding shop than the ironworkers?
Have we found the real definition of hustle yet?
I'd be willing to make $100 being an umpire on Sundays.
I don't know if I'm getting richer or poorer being a rodbuster.
Why does anyone really care whom is installing drywall?

 

[Bigbore500r]

Anyone who argues the quality of training the union provides is smoking some good shit. There’s nothing like it.

Except they have guys wearing big ass framer bags operating table saws attempting to do finish carpentry . . .

The UBC does a good job teaching framing, concrete form work, ceilings and welding . . . but teaching finish carpentry has never been a strong point for any of the halls.

 

[Joker]

Dont shoot the messenger, but here's some facts:

What Vic is saying is true - the members don't pay much, if at all. Dues are a paltry $20 per month out of the worker's pocket, to be in the Carpenter's Union.
The majority of dues are paid by the companies who employ the workers - they must pay $$$ to multiple categories for each man hour worked.

Here's what a contractor must pay the Union in Northern California for employing union Carpenters - Fringe benefits by man hour:

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Aside from that - here's their Hourly income, on the check:
2023 Carpenters wage / rate card (Northern California)

For a career working with their hands and not owning their own business, these guys do just fine . . .

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The Apprentice we've got working for us now makes $20.02 per hour. Granted he's a level 1 and in 20 years he will have a pension but how does one survive on $20.00 an hour.

 

[Nordie]

The Apprentice we've got working for us now makes $20.02 per hour. Granted he's a level 1 and in 20 years he will have a pension but how does one survive on $20.00 an hour.

Hustle duh

 

[Bigbore500r]

The Apprentice we've got working for us now makes $20.02 per hour. Granted he's a level 1 and in 20 years he will have a pension but how does one survive on $20.00 an hour.

Yea, but level 1 apprentices often have nothing but a tape measure, an ankle monitor and a dream . . . . .

If he busts ass he can jump up a few periods and start making money.

Plus - $20hr starting wage as entry level ANYTHING was never considered a bad thing, until the McDonalds chick fucking your order up started geting $20 for just showing up..

Now Big Macs are $12, Chineese UTV's are $50k, Pontoon Boats are 500k . . . . .

 

[Bobby V]

Dont shoot the messenger, but here's some facts:

What Vic is saying is true - the members don't pay much, if at all. Dues are a paltry $20 per month out of the worker's pocket, to be in the Carpenter's Union.
The majority of dues are paid by the companies who employ the workers - they must pay $$$ to multiple categories for each man hour worked.

Here's what a contractor must pay the Union in Northern California for employing union Carpenters - Fringe benefits by man hour:

View attachment 1367539

Aside from that - here's their Hourly income, on the check:
2023 Carpenters wage / rate card (Northern California)

For a career working with their hands and not owning their own business, these guys do just fine . . .

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Does the contractors set the amount of the benefits or does the UNION as part of the CBA. My UNION will set the bennies and let the contractors know how much to take out of our total package.

 

[BHC Vic]

Except they have guys wearing big ass framer bags operating table saws attempting to do finish carpentry . . .

The UBC does a good job teaching framing, concrete form work, ceilings and welding . . . but teaching finish carpentry has never been a strong point for any of the halls.

Not since John sator left and they shut down the finish program in Whittier. We hired Adam and Art from isec so it’s making a comeback but will take time. All the finish carpenter apprentices say that all the bad ass real finish carpenters are starting to retire. They are a dying breed. Disneyland especially

 

[77charger]

So In my union you get your own work. If I get laid off today tomorrow I’m calling every super I know looking for a spot. I’m not sitting. As far as picketing it’s very rare that we do that. It’s too late at that point. We are bigger on going to city council meetings and talking to planning commissions. That’s how we secure work. Picketing is old school and not efficient

Like I said I do t know how they work but seen them picket shea homes and others. Guy I know was a super for shea he just said their mad they didn’t get the work. He personally said he would not rather deal with union workers

 

[Bigbore500r]

Does the contractors set the amount of the benefits or does the UNION as part of the CBA. My UNION will set the bennies and let the contractors know how much to take out of our total package.

The Union negotiates with the contractors and they are set as part of the approved contract.
Every time the contract comes due for expiration, they are re-negotiated.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Like I said I do t know how they work but seen them picket shea homes and others. Guy I know was a super for shea he just said their mad they didn’t get the work. He personally said he would not rather deal with union workers

What state are you in? Union residential wood framing is all but dead ....has been since the 90's

 

[BHC Vic]

Like I said I do t know how they work but seen them picket shea homes and others. Guy I know was a super for shea he just said their mad they didn’t get the work. He personally said he would not rather deal with union workers

In my area we don’t have much residential market share. AB some bullshit was supposed to help us but I don’t know where we are at with that.

 

[Joker]

Yea, but level 1 apprentices often have nothing but a tape measure, an ankle monitor and a dream . . . . .

If he busts ass he can jump up a few periods and start making money.

Plus - $20hr starting wage as entry level ANYTHING was never considered a bad thing, until the McDonalds chick fucking your order up started geting $20 for just showing up..

Now Big Macs are $12, Chineese UTV's are $50k, Pontoon Boats are 500k . . . . .

Agreed, my experience with any apprentice we are assigned is that they immediately file for unemployment once the job is over. Essentially, the Local is dispersing the ones who aren't worth a damn to the non union contractors and have us deal with them.

 

[BHC Vic]

Agreed, my experience with any apprentice we are assigned is that they immediately file for unemployment once the job is over. Essentially, the Local is dispersing the ones who aren't worth a damn to the non union contractors and have us deal with them.

Honestly all guys sitting on the out of work list are kind of there for a reason. I used the hall to man the Disney job I was running. What a nightmare. I laid the same guy off 3 times and let any rep that would listen to me have it. If your not able to hustle your own work there’s usually a reason

 

[Bobby V]

Like I said I do t know how they work but seen them picket shea homes and others. Guy I know was a super for shea he just said their mad they didn’t get the work. He personally said he would not rather deal with union workers

Residential homes have been dead for years. Residential high rise multi use apartments or condos still have some UNIONs involved.

 

[angiebaby]

All these guys getting certified to be welders not a penny out of pocket. Look up the cost of welding schools. All this brand new material, not a penny out of pocket and we burn it up and throw it away. It’s not all bad, but there will always be union haters and that’s fine. Beautiful day that’s for sure

Our son went to welding school at Lincoln Electric in Cleveland for 9 or 10 months. It wasn't cheap. However, he's not beholden to the union and can work wherever he wants worldwide. There are pros and cons to both routes, for sure. To be certified and trained by the union without money out of pocket is certainly not a bad deal. I wish more young people would look into trades instead of getting funneled into universities. They weren't intended to be for everyone. Trades should be celebrated more in our society.

 

[BHC Vic]

Our son went to welding school at Lincoln Electric in Cleveland for 9 or 10 months. It wasn't cheap. However, he's not beholden to the union and can work wherever he wants worldwide. There are pros and cons to both routes, for sure. To be certified and trained by the union without money out of pocket is certainly not a bad deal. I wish more young people would look into trades instead of getting funneled into universities. They weren't intended to be for everyone. Trades should be celebrated more in our society.

Once our members are certified that’s theirs and no one can ever take that away. We hope they wouldn’t leave the union but it happens. Some guys go work pipeline others go fabricate. I’m an aws Cwi so I could take that anywhere around the world but I’m loyal to the union because they’ve given me everything I have. I got into the union by luck, on accident, selling weed out of my parents garage. To be where I am today is honestly mind boggling to me. I hope my boys do better than me and would love for them to be company owners. I’m trying to give them every opportunity I can

 

[RiverDave]

It's not only the training, it's a fact that a union jobsite will be 10x safer than a non union site. Yeah it takes longer but you'll go home with all your limbs. This is the one reason I as a non union contractor enjoy working union sites.

Your deleted post is far more interesting than this one. lol

 

[dread Pirate]

Our son went to welding school at Lincoln Electric in Cleveland for 9 or 10 months. It wasn't cheap. However, he's not beholden to the union and can work wherever he wants worldwide. There are pros and cons to both routes, for sure. To be certified and trained by the union without money out of pocket is certainly not a bad deal. I wish more young people would look into trades instead of getting funneled into universities. They weren't intended to be for everyone. Trades should be celebrated more in our society.

My son has been taking classes at our community college which fortunately has an excellent welding program. His plan is still Western Welding Academy in Wyoming, but wants to be able to test in midway up the scale to save $. After a year and half he's already landing grants. Bought a brand new Lincoln with some of it and will save for tuition or expenses.

 

[Backlash]

Holy thread derail!!! This one had the chance to turn into something "Good," but no such luck. Hell, even @ChrisV tried to right the ship a few times with no luck.

 

[SJP]

Holy thread derail!!! This one had the chance to turn into something "Good," but no such luck. Hell, even @ChrisV tried to right the ship a few times with no luck.

I mean the least someone could do would be to post an updated picture of Dannae - for the sake of the thread of course.

 

[Nordie]

Holy thread derail!!! This one had the chance to turn into something "Good," but no such luck. Hell, even @ChrisV tried to right the ship a few times with no luck.

You're not union, you'll never understand, or you are union and you'll never understand.

Have you tried a different prop?

 

[GreenEnergy28]

Lets get back on track shal we!

 

[crzy2bealive]

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Lets get back on track shal we!

Is she in the porn union?

 

[GreenEnergy28]

Is she in the porn union?

I wonder what their training facility looks like...

 

[crzy2bealive]

I wonder what their training facility looks like...

You think she has to work 2000 hours a year?

 

[Backlash]

Good grief she's a trainwreck, but fun to look at!