End of days. Doom and gloom. 😉

[jetboatperformance]

Y’all live around way too many people.

LOL Yup , my castle on high ground and have a 1000 ft + view in every direction , "Wise man builds his house upon a rock"

 

[propcheck]

I was going to say, you guys better just stay put because the Havasu militia will be on patrol keeping the riffraff out.

If it is the same group keeping out the snowbirds and RV homeless i would say getting in will not be a problem

 

[Cole Trickle]

I feel much better about my current situation as i am literally a mile from the dirt with endless possibilities wilderness wise.

When in Socal I think you are pretty fucked due to the freeways and population. It's going to be anarchy pretty quick. In Socal I would probably head the opposite way to the harbor and steal a big enough sail boat that has solar , Fishing gear and a water desalinizer. Couple competent and skilled friends and i feel like you could wait out the zombies for a little bit.

Tsunami ruins that plan pretty quick....lol

Anyone with young kids you are screwed unless you are a bad ass and raised the kids accordingly. Anyone trying to protect the elderly you are screwed as they can't move or pull there weight but use up supplies.

 

[500bbc]

Unless it’s the big one. Like the Alaskan one. That’ll shake out all of LA

Big one is predicted on the Newport/Inglewood fault. The surrounding demographics may come into play.

 

[500bbc]

Zombies attacking

They're already here...

 

[monkeyswrench]

When taking cars to socal, I have a specific "go bag". Grungy oversize Levi's, and a beat up southwest gas heavy carhart. Inside pockets loaded with "lifestraw", some SOS rations and my compass. Put them on, ditch the car, look homeless. Carry 2 .40's and mags roading anyway.
I'd make it home. A week or two, but I could. Not gonna give up.

If home, here. Wait for calls, or people at my gate. If you have my address, I must trust you. If not, well, you aren't staying long.

 

[C-Ya]

Move to Florida……. I guarantee, one day you will be living in a disaster zone.

Its Doom & Gloom here……. 4 months a year. For good reason too!

There’s only 1 direction for those driving, to escape…….. North.

For me…….. I am approximately 2 miles from the local executive airport. That’s how I am leaving when the hurricane roulette wheel finally lands directly on my city…….. and 1 day, IT WILL.

Oh too……. It sucks ass to own a boat when a named storm is coming. You can’t just bug out and leave. You have a boat to deal with…….

 

[Gonefishin5555]

I will say if I owned a yacht goodbye!!!!

My friend has his boat systems running on solar he wants to leave it at Catalina all summer and taxi back and forth to the mainland in his RIB. The last thing he is working on is the pumps that run the water maker still require the generator. Last I talked to him he was looking for some 12v pumps to swap in that would solve the problem. gas for the rib would be a problem but at some point you just start fishing from the kayak I guess. This past fall we took the rib out and trolled up about 15 assorted fish bass Bonita barracuda etc in about an hour so we got dinner and some lobster bait. You could easily be living off lobster while 30 miles away everyone is living in mass hysteria. Makes you wonder how many boaters would actually try to get out there and what would happen to the resources. I’d probably go get me a few abalone 1st thing.

 

[Member: 71]

I've been thinking about this subject for several months. If it gets to that point.... I'm staying put, and going after the weak to survive. Thats the reality.





By weak, I mean...yuppie, hipster, mask wearing, non 2A, biden supporter - that has been hoarding good coffee and enough Costco water, for the next pandemic. All I had to do was walk around the block and look into their garages on the weekend.

 

[Gonefishin5555]

I feel much better about my current situation as i am literally a mile from the dirt with endless possibilities wilderness wise.

When in Socal I think you are pretty fucked due to the freeways and population. It's going to be anarchy pretty quick. In Socal I would probably head the opposite way to the harbor and steal a big enough sail boat that has solar , Fishing gear and a water desalinizer. Couple competent and skilled friends and i feel like you could wait out the zombies for a little bit.

Tsunami ruins that plan pretty quick....lol

Anyone with young kids you are screwed unless you are a bad ass and raised the kids accordingly. Anyone trying to protect the elderly you are screwed as they can't move or pull there weight but use up supplies.

the hole in that plan is finding the right boat to steal won’t be easy.

 

[Cole Trickle]

the hole in that plan is finding the right boat to steal won’t be easy.

I’ve been watching YouTube sailing videos for years…lol

You want a boat capable of crossing oceans as I imagine those would be the ones outfitted accordingly.

Perhaps a lagoon 440

You will be able to spot the solar panels what size typically have water makers?

 

[angiebaby]

Eureka has no power except for a few shops on generators. My wife said people are walking around like zombies. No idea what to do etc,,, She had to go into work, but that was short lived and she just got back home.

Zombies walking around is pretty typical for Eureka unless things have changed in the past 2-3 years. Glad your wife is home safe, and I hope power gets restored soon.

 

[RiverDave]

I've been thinking about this subject for several months. If it gets to that point.... I'm staying put, and going after the weak to survive. Thats the reality.





By weak, I mean...yuppie, hipster, mask wearing, non 2A, biden supporter - that has been hoarding good coffee and enough Costco water, for the next pandemic. All I had to do was walk around the block and look into their garages on the weekend.

Someone honest.. lol

 

[W.O.T]

stay put for a solid month or so. If things are still bad... pack up and head out.

I'm one of those people that is somewhat prepared for this situation. I really think this is probably one of the best options depending on the type of disaster. First get everyone home. Stay where your at, protect your property and use all of your resources and stuff you have at home. Traffic trying to go anywhere is going to be ridiculous. After a week or two has passed, people will be out of people and supplies and the looting and theft will be out of control. This is when i'd try to leave.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

You can use this story however you like. Hopefully, this helps someone.

In 2015 ( I think), we lived in Reno, Nevada. If I recall correctly, it was around this time of the year, New Year. The mountains had a decent snowpack, but a warm storm was predicted to come through the area. The last event like that was terrible for Reno when the Truckee river swept over the banks and flooded the city. We tend to take things like this seriously, so we started prepping. It was pretty cold, and friends from the high ground came to help us.

We had a 40-foot shipping container we used for storage. I was doing things fast and carelessly because we were in a stressful situation. Long story short, I stomped down on the lock for the storage, and you could hear the bone break. I became a liability to my family and could not work, walk or contribute. We originally planned to stay at the house to discourage any looters, but That changed in seconds. I could not even stay at the house as I had to go to the hospital.

I grew up in an area with wildfires; we always had an escape plan; Angie is good at preparing for situations. We did not have a plan for me to be injured and unable to contribute.

No matter how prepared you are, shit can go sideways.

Angie and I have spent more than a decade discussing how to survive situations we hope never happen. Whatever you think you know, toss that.

My advice, think less about gadgets, toys, maps, and weapons. Think more about your personal health, skills, and strength. Heart attacks, infections, stroke, and sickness will be significant threats in almost all disaster situations. Buy a compass if you want to buy gadgets.

The house was spared the flood, BTW, but we gained a valuable lesson. Your disaster plan needs a disaster plan.

 

[Member: 71]

I’ve been watching YouTube sailing videos for years…lol

You want a boat capable of crossing oceans as I imagine those would be the ones outfitted accordingly.

Perhaps a lagoon 440

You will be able to spot the solar panels what size typically have water makers?

I thought about that and watched videos, until I seen all the cracked bulkheads on the Lagoon 420/440/440

 

[Sportin' Wood]

My friend has his boat systems running on solar he wants to leave it at Catalina all summer and taxi back and forth to the mainland in his RIB. The last thing he is working on is the pumps that run the water maker still require the generator. Last I talked to him he was looking for some 12v pumps to swap in that would solve the problem. gas for the rib would be a problem but at some point you just start fishing from the kayak I guess. This past fall we took the rib out and trolled up about 15 assorted fish bass Bonita barracuda etc in about an hour so we got dinner and some lobster bait. You could easily be living off lobster while 30 miles away everyone is living in mass hysteria. Makes you wonder how many boaters would actually try to get out there and what would happen to the resources. I’d probably go get me a few abalone 1st thing.

No matter what people say, Garibaldi is good to eat.

 

[Canuck 1]

I will give my .02................... One is none, two is one

You put all your supplies in one spot you are fucked.

 

[EmpirE231]

I think trying to get out during a earthquake or fire right away and you’ll be stuck on the road somewhere. Unless you were able to leave within the first 30 minutes.

My area isn’t really threatened by fire… so earthquake would be the big one. We have plenty of food and water to stay put. Have a 50k + gallon pool. Couple neighbors have wells incase we somehow run out of water. We’re on propane so we don’t have to worry about natural gas being shut off. We have a generator. Also Motorhome is always full of 150 gal of diesel and water etc

So staying put will be the best option until people start roaming around trying to take what they need. Then they get shot lol. And after that we strategize on where to go. I think it would take 7-10 days for people to start turning on each other. If you’re in a packed city like LA, then all bets are off.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

When taking cars to socal, I have a specific "go bag". Grungy oversize Levi's, and a beat up southwest gas heavy carhart. Inside pockets loaded with "lifestraw", some SOS rations and my compass. Put them on, ditch the car, look homeless. Carry 2 .40's and mags roading anyway.
I'd make it home. A week or two, but I could. Not gonna give up.

If home, here. Wait for calls, or people at my gate. If you have my address, I must trust you. If not, well, you aren't staying long.

Solid plan. I hate visiting my Mom and Grandma in SoCa because I know my escape options get limited quickly. The odds don't favor me. Yours is a pretty stellar strategy. I try and limit my stay to 24 hours or less.

 

[Gonefishin5555]

No matter what people say, Garibaldi is good to eat.

That’s what I’m wondering people would just catch and eat everything until it was gone.

I’ve been watching YouTube sailing videos for years…lol

You want a boat capable of crossing oceans as I imagine those would be the ones outfitted accordingly.

Perhaps a lagoon 440

You will be able to spot the solar panels what size typically have water makers?

I’d imagine they are pretty common on 35-40ft or bigger. The newer more expensive the boat the better the odds. older boats you have a good chance the watermaker won’t last long or is in need of maintenance. grabbing some random boat and expecting to use it to survive just sounds dicey. Next time I go out I’m going to eyeball some of the boats

 

[angiebaby]

Some good reading material to give you some perspective

"One Second After" -William Forstchen (this was a life-altering book for me)
"77 Days in September"- Ray Gorham
"Lights Out" -David Crawford (There is also a non-fiction book by Ted Koppel of the same title that is excellent as well)
"Patriots" -James Wesley Rawles (other titles by Rawles are good also)

There are some others that I have read, but these are some of my favorites. The Rawles book, in particular, offered a lot of "how to" material for a fictional work; for example, how they made soap, how they set up the perimeter, etc. There is also a good index in the appendix. The Gorham book was about someone trying to get home from a business trip several states away @monkeyswrench you might like this one.

There are a lot of different situations to prepare for. I feel that if you are thinking about it, you are ahead of the game. If you live in SoCal, you are probably ahead of 75% of the population. If you live in Montana, 75% of the people are thinking like you.

I realize @hallett21 envisioned a small regional situation, and other people have different imaginations of disaster. These threads tend to go sideways quickly. LOL

It is good to prepare for a bug-out situation with an earthquake, fire, flood, etc. Prepare for your first and possibly second route of exit to be blocked by either the disaster itself (roads impassible) or people who want to hurt you and take your stuff. Have a backup plan or three. Have a bag ready for every member of your family at all times. Make it a New Years Resolution

I have seen whole threads on what to put in bug-out bags. Others on what to put in get-home bags. Yes, there is a difference, though there are similarities. My get-home bag goes in every vehicle I ride in and has for over a decade.

So, will you bug out or stay put in a local disaster? That is your first decision and you need to prepare for that.

If it's something bigger, like civil unrest, invasion, nuclear strike, EMP, then what?

Some questions to ask yourself:
1-Where would you go and how will you get there? What challenges could you possibly face on your journey?
2-What will you take? Who will gather what? Do you have a list?
3-How will you communicate with those you love? Do they know how that will work and where you will go? Are those communication methods charged at all times?
4-If and when you get to your bugout location, do you have supplies there? Water? Food? Medical? Fuel? How will you stay warm?
5-Not the least important by any means, how will you protect your supplies and loved ones? Will you be up 24/7? When was the last time you fired your weapon? Do you have any tactical training? Does your spouse? Your kids?
6-Do you have a relationship with your neighbors? Do you trust them? You will absolutely need a community of like-minded people. Do your neighbors have skills? Do you? Can you fix things that are broken? How do you handle stress?
7-What shape is your physical health in? Can you walk 20 miles? Can you run more than 1? Can you carry a tired or injured child (or adult)?
8-Do you know how to garden? Someone earlier mentioned moving somewhere and growing a garden. Do you have seeds? Are they heirloom seeds? Do you know how to save seeds for next year? Do you know how to fertilize naturally and how to keep pests away? Do you have water for your garden?
9-Do you know how to get rid of bodily waste without creating a major health hazard?


Just some thoughts. I'm sure there is more to add to the above list. Hopefully, it helps some of you who think about SHTF scenarios. Some of you have probably already thought of all of these things, but I'm guessing there are many who have not.

Ideally, I hope to have a place to bug-in and not have to bug-out. Being a gypsy right now causes me some anxiety, but I try not to dwell on the "what-ifs" and just take each day as it comes.

 

[500bbc]

I think trying to get out during a earthquake or fire right away and you’ll be stuck on the road somewhere. Unless you were able to leave within the first 30 minutes.

My area isn’t really threatened by fire… so earthquake would be the big one. We have plenty of food and water to stay put. Have a 50k + gallon pool. Couple neighbors have wells incase we somehow run out of water. We’re on propane so we don’t have to worry about natural gas being shut off. We have a generator. Also Motorhome is always full of 150 gal of diesel and water etc

So staying put will be the best option until people start roaming around trying to take what they need. Then they get shot lol. And after that we strategize on where to go. I think it would take 7-10 days for people to start turning on each other. If you’re in a packed city like LA, then all bets are off.

Unless EMP like disaster the govt will do what they did during the RK riots. Isolate the primitives until they burn themselves out.

 

[River Runnin]

Some good reading material to give you some perspective

"One Second After" -William Forstchen (this was a life-altering book for me)
"77 Days in September"- Ray Gorham
"Lights Out" -David Crawford (There is also a non-fiction book by Ted Koppel of the same title that is excellent as well)
"Patriots" -James Wesley Rawles (other titles by Rawles are good also)

There are some others that I have read, but these are some of my favorites. The Rawles book, in particular, offered a lot of "how to" material for a fictional work; for example, how they made soap, how they set up the perimeter, etc. There is also a good index in the appendix. The Gorham book was about someone trying to get home from a business trip several states away @monkeyswrench you might like this one.

There are a lot of different situations to prepare for. I feel that if you are thinking about it, you are ahead of the game. If you live in SoCal, you are probably ahead of 75% of the population. If you live in Montana, 75% of the people are thinking like you.

I realize @hallett21 envisioned a small regional situation, and other people have different imaginations of disaster. These threads tend to go sideways quickly. LOL

It is good to prepare for a bug-out situation with an earthquake, fire, flood, etc. Prepare for your first and possibly second route of exit to be blocked by either the disaster itself (roads impassible) or people who want to hurt you and take your stuff. Have a backup plan or three. Have a bag ready for every member of your family at all times. Make it a New Years Resolution

I have seen whole threads on what to put in bug-out bags. Others on what to put in get-home bags. Yes, there is a difference, though there are similarities. My get-home bag goes in every vehicle I ride in and has for over a decade.

So, will you bug out or stay put in a local disaster? That is your first decision and you need to prepare for that.

If it's something bigger, like civil unrest, invasion, nuclear strike, EMP, then what?

Some questions to ask yourself:
1-Where would you go and how will you get there? What challenges could you possibly face on your journey?
2-What will you take? Who will gather what? Do you have a list?
3-How will you communicate with those you love? Do they know how that will work and where you will go? Are those communication methods charged at all times?
4-If and when you get to your bugout location, do you have supplies there? Water? Food? Medical? Fuel? How will you stay warm?
5-Not the least important by any means, how will you protect your supplies and loved ones? Will you be up 24/7? When was the last time you fired your weapon? Do you have any tactical training? Does your spouse? Your kids?
6-Do you have a relationship with your neighbors? Do you trust them? You will absolutely need a community of like-minded people. Do your neighbors have skills? Do you? Can you fix things that are broken? How do you handle stress?
7-What shape is your physical health in? Can you walk 20 miles? Can you run more than 1? Can you carry a tired or injured child (or adult)?
8-Do you know how to garden? Someone earlier mentioned moving somewhere and growing a garden. Do you have seeds? Are they heirloom seeds? Do you know how to save seeds for next year? Do you know how to fertilize naturally and how to keep pests away? Do you have water for your garden?
9-Do you know how to get rid of bodily waste without creating a major health hazard?


Just some thoughts. I'm sure there is more to add to the above list. Hopefully, it helps some of you who think about SHTF scenarios. Some of you have probably already thought of all of these things, but I'm guessing there are many who have not.

Ideally, I hope to have a place to bug-in and not have to bug-out. Being a gypsy right now causes me some anxiety, but I try not to dwell on the "what-ifs" and just take each day as it comes.

Could you please make a video so I don't have to read all this?

 

[Sportin' Wood]

That’s what I’m wondering people would just catch and eat everything until it was gone.

I've also eaten Bat Ray. You cut the wings into rounds and fry them in butter with garlic. It will trick you into thinking they are scallops. I'm guessing most would not know that. You'll need a Hawaiin sling to get them.

The whole steal a sailboat to me seems a stretch if you don't know how to sail or navigate a boat. There must be many people headed down to the docks to get those limited number of boats. The marina would be a shit show with broken and half-sunk shit everywhere.

Kind of like raiding the guide service and stealing a horse if you can't saddle it. Damn, trail horse would be confused if you left the route he had been walking the last 10 years. Fawk we are back at the barn, Damnit.

 

[angiebaby]

Could you please make a video so I don't have to read all this?

You are free to skip over it.

 

[SixD9R]

Listen to you amateurs getting all spun up about an earthquake

How about a nuclear attack on the US? With the dumb fuck in the whitehouse projecting American weakness all over the world you just never know when it could happen.

 

[angiebaby]

Listen to you amateurs getting all spun up about an earthquake

How about a nuclear attack on the US? With the dumb fuck in the whitehouse projecting American weakness all over the world you just never know when it could happen.

How many major earthquakes have we had and how many times have we had a nuclear attack? Which is more likely? While I don't disagree that it could happen, I don't think we need to turn this thread into a political one. Most of the ideas people are sharing would work for a nuclear attack also.

 

[just_floatin]

I've been thinking about this subject for several months. If it gets to that point.... I'm staying put, and going after the weak to survive. Thats the reality.





By weak, I mean...yuppie, hipster, mask wearing, non 2A, biden supporter - that has been hoarding good coffee and enough Costco water, for the next pandemic. All I had to do was walk around the block and look into their garages on the weekend.

So True

 

[CLdrinker]

Cash on hand is another one. We try to keep $XXX in cash on hand just in case

When people are trying survive nobody will give a shit about your cash. Just kill you and take it.

 

[RogerThat99]

In this scenario, I wonder if people with an F-150 will faire better than people with all those other "Lesser" trucks??

 

[CLdrinker]

Lol my point of the thread was to talk about good ideas for families in the event of a disaster.

Now I need to throw the AR on the dash

WTF you got this far in the thread and hadn’t realized an AR would be useful?

I didn’t say I was heading to a place with a view for no reason.
Bolt gun to stop them far out. Semi auto for multiple targets inside 500yrds.

 

[CLdrinker]

Holy shit....one localized earthquake and all of RDP is killing everything that moves....lol

Nah we will use the fuck around and find out scale although it will be a steep curve

 

[RogerThat99]

WTF can you do! Drive 300 miles or until you run out of fuel?

Correct. When there is no power, there is no fuel available, other than what you have on hand. When they had the massive PG&E power shut downs for several days in Northern California, you couldn't get fuel anywhere. All the gas stations were shut down. I don't think people realize this.

 

[Go-Fly]

First thing I'm going to do is go kill that asshole that lives down the street. I'll sleep better that night with that task completed.

 

[RogerThat99]

Just wait until you see all the skinny tire assholes passing everyone stuck in traffic on the 10, and smacking mirrors and shaking fists as they ride by.

 

[DRYHEAT]

“ most things I worry about never happen anyway”. - Tom Petty.

 

[was thatguy]

and I think that’s the false sense of security with havasu. You think AR10s don’t travel from CA as well?

What if you worked your way through the desert/ havasu heights or the south side of the 40?

Also are they checking for friend or fo? Or do the 95 security just kill everyone?

Why would you be fighting your way INTO Havasu?
What’s the goal?

 

[Cdog]

Totally scenario dependent. Imagine the 101 being blockaded in Ventura, the 5 at the trucking split before the 14, the 405/22/605 the 5 at San Onofre, the 91 at green river, the 15 at Cajon Pass at the 138 split & the 10 & 210 around the 57 & the 10 again at the 111 & Indio & SD locked in at the 8 & 15 N.

Because that’s going to be the reality. If you’re in LA county you’re likely fucked. Bug in harden your defenses.

If you’re in OC, particularly in the elevated areas from Brea, yorba Linda, AH & follow down to HB you’re probably going to be okay. Still harden up & team up with like minded folks.

 

[CoolCruzin]

Just hope I will be home and the family.
Leaving is no option .
Family members know to meet at the house
I have everything I need and can get more .
And defend the castle

 

[Crazyhippy]

Have 2-3 trees to cut down, and access is severely hampered. Water is more open, but great long distance sightlines too. Have 500-1000 gal of propane on hand, and 50-75 gallons of fresh gas. Deer across the street, rabbit and squirrels everywhere, and crappie will practically jump onto the grill.

Not going anywhere, neighborhood already has a plan in place, and we will be just fine for 60ish days before going hunting or fishing.

Fresh water is essentially unlimited (but will need boiled for safety). Will REALLY miss hot showers though!

 

[HTTP404]

Lots of good reading on this subject is available. Might I suggest a practice session? You might be surprised at the time required to gather your stuff.

Thankfully my financial advisor, travel agent, and emergency response consultant, AKA the wife, have this stuff under control.

You might take a look at escape routes offroad.

I've played SHTF out in my head; I don't think it will be as easy as people think to make it to the destinations they have in mind. I'll be hiking the last many 100 miles after ditching various forms of transportation to get home to Montana from LHC. Crossing rivers will be challenging. I suspect bridges will be occupied.

Yeah. I need to get to Missoula.

 

[RiverDave]

You are free to skip over it.

He’s a redneck he was joking. Lol

 

[monkeyswrench]

@Sportin' Wood , I usually carried that same outfit to use as clothing to work under the trucks if needed. Even in summer, it would keep me off the asphalt a bit at lava temps, and protect my arms. In 2012/2013, I was spending a lot of weekends out here by myself, wife and kids in Cali. Lots of miles to think about absolute necessities. In that case, it would have been a fight into the hellhole to get to them. I could start heavy, and shed stuff getting near society.

Then I went the other way. Roll of duct tape down to 60" folded, smaller than a wallet. Minimalist trauma kit, Celox, suture kit, tourniquet, alcohol swabs and dressing packs. 2 cigarette lighters, a hotel sewing kit and some pain pills (shoved in large plastic straws, ends pinched and melted shut)...all that fits in the lining of the jacket with 2 "Lifestraws". I usually have 2 Shield's in 40. Single stacks, so they don't print through the heavy coat. Make for redundancy, as I can swap mags and parts to keep on "running". Sized up pants are kept up with rope, but big enough pockets to keep hand out of sight but easily removed. 60" length of rope and paracord through belt loops, then down inside of pants (these are worn over other pants). That length of rope can be for a lot of things, but mainly for rolling the outfit up into a "bedroll" in the truck, and when out of "society" after use.

Like a lot of things in life, it's trying to appear as if you're not a high value target. Big or maybe crazy enough to hurt someone, but nothing to gain by trying. I know first aid fairly well, and I've always made it a point to know what's edible in the areas I travel. Pretty decent with steel and firearms, but really don't want to use either on someone just trying to survive.

Saw some pics from NASA of Ukraine at night...no power in a country, blacked out. That's pretty unreal for 2022.

 

[Big B Hova]

I wonder how many of the younger guys are wondering what a Thomas guide is.

 

[SixD9R]

How many major earthquakes have we had and how many times have we had a nuclear attack? Which is more likely?

That’s exactly my point. We have had and mostly survived earthquakes in the past. A nuclear attack on a major population center would be an entirely different matter.

There are at least three countries that have nuclear weapons and hate the United States right now. In a few years Iran, whose leaders are openly saying death to America, will be the fourth.

I pray that it never happens but I think we would be foolish to think it never will.

 

[monkeyswrench]

That’s exactly my point. We have had and mostly survived earthquakes in the past. A nuclear attack on a major population center would be an entirely different matter.

There are at least three countries that have nuclear weapons and hate the United States right now. In a few years Iran, whose leaders are openly saying death to America, will be the fourth.

I pray that it never happens but I think we would be foolish to think it never will.

And it was also heavily thought that the Iranians helped the NoKo's with the rocket portion of their project. In a few early test videos they released there were his Big Hat military, and s few man-dress bearded guys.

 

[CLdrinker]

Have 2-3 trees to cut down, and access is severely hampered. Water is more open, but great long distance sightlines too. Have 500-1000 gal of propane on hand, and 50-75 gallons of fresh gas. Deer across the street, rabbit and squirrels everywhere, and crappie will practically jump onto the grill.

Not going anywhere, neighborhood already has a plan in place, and we will be just fine for 60ish days before going hunting or fishing.

Fresh water is essentially unlimited (but will need boiled for safety). Will REALLY miss hot showers though!

Correct. When there is no power, there is no fuel available, other than what you have on hand. When they had the massive PG&E power shut downs for several days in Northern California, you couldn't get fuel anywhere. All the gas stations were shut down. I don't think people realize this.

You have it made. Couple long distance shooters and you are set.

 

[wash11]

I have some unsettling news for those planning to head to rural areas to live off the land. Please start by having a destination AND an invitation. The people living the rural life have been expecting you for years and are Masters of Supply Management. The math is easy once you understand it and it doesn't favor hordes of people bugging out.
Wildlife within any reasonable distance of socal is not abundant enough to cover the number of people that think they will become hunter/gatherers overnight. The families salty enough to live the rural life in the first place are salty enough to protect that way of life with little to no delays at the trigger finger. Flush with backhoes or hungry pigs that recently ran out of bagged feed from Tractor Supply- rural pursuits might not always have a happy ending.
Best bet is to stay in place if possible. Your home is stocked (or should be) and easily defendable compared to a car on the open but congested highway. You know where everything is on a short run and muscle memory guides your movements as needed. Home is also very comforting in stressful times, especially for a family looking to you for guidance and comfort.
Over the last decade, I've sat in on several community "what if" discussions with our rural neighbors. There's always a few loud mouths that beat their chests (typically the newer property owners)- whatever....... The calm and cool conversations the seasoned folks have about this or worse, the deafening silence from the longtime residents that rarely do more than nod in agreement leaves me no doubt that heading to these areas should be a last resort.

 

[River Runnin]

I have some unsettling news for those planning to head to rural areas to live off the land. Please start by having a destination AND an invitation. The people living the rural life have been expecting you for years and are Masters of Supply Management. The math is easy once you understand it and it doesn't favor hordes of people bugging out.
Wildlife within any reasonable distance of socal is not abundant enough to cover the number of people that think they will become hunter/gatherers overnight. The families salty enough to live the rural life in the first place are salty enough to protect that way of life with little to no delays at the trigger finger. Flush with backhoes or hungry pigs that recently ran out of bagged feed from Tractor Supply- rural pursuits might not always have a happy ending.
Best bet is to stay in place if possible. Your home is stocked (or should be) and easily defendable compared to a car on the open but congested highway. You know where everything is on a short run and muscle memory guides your movements as needed. Home is also very comforting in stressful times, especially for a family looking to you for guidance and comfort.
Over the last decade, I've sat in on several community "what if" discussions with our rural neighbors. There's always a few loud mouths that beat their chests (typically the newer property owners)- whatever....... The calm and cool conversations the seasoned folks have about this or worse, the deafening silence from the longtime residents that rarely do more than nod in agreement leaves me no doubt that heading to these areas should be a last resort.

The only beef I got with you is! Where's my invite?

Got me some strong roots!