DOES ANYONE ELSE KNOW IT'S AGAINT THE LAW TO DRIVE YOUR BOAT IF YOU HAVE BEEN DRINKIN

[2FORCEFULL]

that basically would have been my response..

Steve if you have a point to the thread why not just make the point instead of making us go around in circles five times and then saying "you missed the point."

and your right the no wake zone at Topock is much larger now, and I think the one at Devils elbow is larger too! someone is expanding those areas and I don't know why.

I just followed the thread,...the train is coming down the track....no one can see the light yet though...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

two questions...who said they could put the bouys at devils elbow and second... who said they could put the buoys at topoc....the river has run through there for a billion years according to scientist ....

The dinosaurs put them there, what are you talking about?

 

[Heylam]

two questions...who said they could put the bouys at devils elbow and second... who said they could put the buoys at topoc....the river has run through there for a billion years according to scientist ....

Third question....Who said they could put up dams and create lakes along the river...lol

 

[Flying_Lavey]

You can't be driving your boat and drinking at the same time. There can be open containers and others can be drinking, but not the driver. So yea, dont do that.

Yes, legally you can. So long as you are not legally imparred.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Yes, legally you can. So long as you are not legally imparred.

as asked.... please post a law quote where it says that....

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Third question....Who said they could put up dams and create lakes along the river...lol

"they"

 

[2FORCEFULL]

The dinosaurs put them there, what are you talking about?

probley the same dinosaurs my teacher tried to tell me oil came from....I was the only one in class that called bullshit....:rolleyes

 

[Flying_Lavey]

as asked.... please post a law quote where it says that....

Again Steve, that's not how the law works. It comes back to a free society where things that are not specifically outlawed are legal to do. Since there is no law on the books stating it is illegal to consume alcohol while driving, you can legally do so. It obviously opens you up to being stopped and grilled but as long as you are not impaired, there was no written law broken.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Again Steve, that's not how the law works. It comes back to a free society where things that are not specifically outlawed are legal to do. Since there is no law on the books stating it is illegal to consume alcohol while driving, you can legally do so. It obviously opens you up to being stopped and grilled but as long as you are not impaired, there was no written law broken.

lol.... couldn't find such a law..... but I found one that says you can't be impared to the slightest degree...interesting....

 

[t&y]

as asked.... please post a law quote where it says that....

Steve, the glaringly obvious thing you are missing is this; If you can not detect the impairment, you can not arrest for it:thumbsup. That is how our legal system works regardless of printed words you might find regarding "any" level of impariment.

 

[BHC Vic]

Yes, legally you can. So long as you are not legally imparred.

I was always taught the way orange explained it. Now in confused as all hell but it really doesn't matter at all because I don't drink [emoji41]

 

[BHC Vic]

Steve, the glaringly obvious thing you are missing is this; If you can not detect the impairment, you can not arrest for it:thumbsup. That is how our legal system works regardless of printed words you might find regarding "any" level of impariment.

So you say you can be drinking while driving the boat? I think I'm going to ask advantage 1 if he can email some people and get an answer.

 

[Old Texan]

probley the same dinosaurs my teacher tried to tell me oil came from....I was the only one in class that called bullshit....:rolleyes

Long long ago, before the infamous teacher's nightmare, "Lil' Johnny" came along.......There was "Lil' Steve" :yikes

 

[Flying_Lavey]

So you say you can be drinking while driving the boat? I think I'm going to ask advantage 1 if he can email some people and get an answer.

Why not just PM boatcop?

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Long long ago, before the infamous teacher's nightmare, "Lil' Johnny" came along.......There was "Lil' Steve" :yikes

the old now you see it.... now you don't....the verbage of the law is changed.."THEY" deleted the word consume....same as the buoys are moved....how can bouys move up stream on their own,,

the buoys used to be at vagina rock.... now they are 300 yards up stream..."THEY moved them

it pisses me off that all rights that are common sense, are stripped away because of dumb fucs that think it's ok to do what ever they want. when ever
there's no written law, so it must be ok...then " THEY " comes along and changes the law....while the sheep are sleeping the fence is moved in closer and closer


so again I ask.... who is "THEY".... and who gives them the power to put into law , laws that are written to mold me to their beliefs

 

[Old Texan]

the old now you see it.... now you don't....the verbage of the law is changed.."THEY" deleted the word consume....same as the buoys are moved....how can bouys move up stream on their own,,

the buoys used to be at vagina rock.... now they are 300 yards up stream..."THEY moved them

I have no idea as I have never been to the Havasu area......I was just just visualizing you as a young lad in gradeschool.

 

[SRice]

Does this same group only monitor no wake zones or do they also Mark and monitor shallow / dangerous under water areas ?

Believe Havasu Marine Association tends all hazard buoys.

 

[SRice]

So you say you can be drinking while driving the boat? I think I'm going to ask advantage 1 if he can email some people and get an answer.

As has been noted countless times in this thread, the "letter of the law" states you cannot be impaired to the slightest degree. However, the reality is that no sobriety test will detect impairment at extremely low BACs. Every local agency routinely contacts individuals who admit they have been drinking and have an open beverage in their cup holder. But they are not going to be arrested for OUI unless we observe and articulate facts beyond mere presence of alcohol which will convince a judge that they were impaired. The legislatures and courts have created a legal presumption that you are impaired at .08. Below that level it gets progressively harder to the point of impossible by .02 for me or any other officer to make that case in the field. If you are going to make the responsible choice to abstain completely, I commend you but nobody is getting arrested for OUIs after one drink.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

As has been noted countless times in this thread, the "letter of the law" states you cannot be impaired to the slightest degree. However, the reality is that no sobriety test will detect impairment at extremely low BACs. Every local agency routinely contacts individuals who admit they have been drinking and have an open beverage in their cup holder. But they are not going to be arrested for OUI unless we observe and articulate facts beyond mere presence of alcohol which will convince a judge that they were impaired. The legislatures and courts have created a legal presumption that you are impaired at .08. Below that level it gets progressively harder to the point of impossible by .02 for me or any other officer to make that case in the field. If you are going to make the responsible choice to abstain completely, I commend you but nobody is getting arrested for OUIs after one drink.

Thank you. This is precisely what I have been referring to.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

As has been noted countless times in this thread, the "letter of the law" states you cannot be impaired to the slightest degree. However, the reality is that no sobriety test will detect impairment at extremely low BACs. Every local agency routinely contacts individuals who admit they have been drinking and have an open beverage in their cup holder. But they are not going to be arrested for OUI unless we observe and articulate facts beyond mere presence of alcohol which will convince a judge that they were impaired. The legislatures and courts have created a legal presumption that you are impaired at .08. Below that level it gets progressively harder to the point of impossible by .02 for me or any other officer to make that case in the field. If you are going to make the responsible choice to abstain completely, I commend you but nobody is getting arrested for OUIs after one drink.

Thank you. This should have been post #3.

 

[BHC Vic]

So a beer in a couple holder isn't probable cause for impairment but a medical marijuana card is probable cause of purchasing an illegal substance. Crazy [emoji4]

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Thank you. This should have been post #3.

that's redundant...it was in post #1

 

[Ziggy]

In all seriousness, why would anyone care about post count? In my experience, the ones with highest post count have the least credibility. Just a bigger pile of horse shit.....
I highly doubt 2FF is concerned with his numbers.

Ya know, DryHeat put 4 big smilies with his comment..........pretty sure he was kidding :rolleyes No...... really.......... It was a joke, honest. :yikes:smackhead
.
Guess me having 14k or however many posts make me a bigger pile of horse shit.:fingers:
.
As highlighted, you knew the answer but still felt it necessary to throw out unsubstantiated derogatory comments:thumbsdown based off a joke.
Talk about someone making horseshit posts....:rolleyes

 

[2FORCEFULL]

here's another does any body "KNOW"

tests have studies have been going on about DD's and intoxicated passengers...although the same tests and studies have proven it to be a value to automobiles... the exzact opposte is the result with water craft...even though the driver was 100 substace free .. the result was that over 40% of passengers died from being impaired....

so you ask, why are they even doing such a study??? because they are moving forward to make it illegal to have booze on the boat... not a choice... but law...

there are already area's that have law that you can not have alcohol on board of a vessel unless it has a closed sleeping area, with a bathroom and cooking area...



looks like cabin cruisers will be the new pontoon....

the verbage that was changed to...states you cannot be "impaired to the slightest degree."...is a new block in the wall..
as stated ....

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

that's redundant...it was in post #1

Reading comprehension owns you again Steve.

Law Enforcement cannot enforce or prove the letter of the law you keep quoting and questioning etc.

Law Enforcement enforces the spirit of the law based on a set of subjective and objective standards.

I am sure at some point you illegally tampered with a pollution control device at your shop whether you knew it was illegal or not. The car may still pass smog, yet it was illegally tampered with. No one is going to come after you because no one will ever really know or prove that you broke a law.

And you did break the letter of the law if you ever removed emission control devices from a production car.. even one that was unregistered for public roads.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Reading comprehension owns you again Steve.

Law Enforcement cannot enforce or prove the letter of the law you keep quoting and questioning etc.

Law Enforcement enforces the spirit of the law based on a set of subjective and objective standards.

ok, i'm a dumb ass..., but when I don't understand something, I ask questions... so help me out know it all... what does this mean..

" you cannot be impaired to the slightest degree".

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

ok, i'm a dumb ass..., but when I don't understand something, I ask questions... so help me out know it all... what does this mean..

" you cannot be impaired to the slightest degree".

Then don't drink ever Steve.

How can you prove slight degrees of impairment?.. You cant.

 

[Ziggy]

ok, i'm a dumb ass..., but when I don't understand something, I ask questions... so help me out know it all... what does this mean..

" you cannot be impaired to the slightest degree".

The cops will do the FST to determine if you are impaired, even to the slightest degree....whether you've had a drink or not isn't the basis of an arrest.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Reading comprehension owns you again Steve.

Law Enforcement cannot enforce or prove the letter of the law you keep quoting and questioning etc.

Law Enforcement enforces the spirit of the law based on a set of subjective and objective standards.

I am sure at some point you illegally tampered with a pollution control device at your shop whether you knew it was illegal or not. The car may still pass smog, yet it was illegally tampered with. No one is going to come after you because no one will ever really know or prove that you broke a law.

I do not tamper or remove a pollution control devise at my shop.... I make 100 times more money repairing and replacing such devise's...

that and I'm enjoying the blue sky we have in vegas again...

you throw that out there like a stone to a sinner....that means you have no sins of your own...Welcome back Jesus, we missed you

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I do not tamper or remove a pollution control devise at my shop.... I make 100 times more money repairing and replacing such devise's...

that and I'm enjoying the blue sky we have in vegas again...

you throw that out there like a stone to a sinner....that means you have to sins of your own...Welcome back Jesus, we missed you

I break plenty of laws. I try to break only one at a time.

You have never put an off road exhaust on an race car?

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Then don't drink ever Steve.

How can you prove slight degrees of impairment?.. You cant.

I don't drink on my boat, and don't even like it when someone that has been drinking gets on my boat..I don't put alcohol on my boat, and don't like it when it's broght on board..

nothing worse than having a drunk on board that you have to baby sit... I made the choice to not drink one ounce for over 30 years... and then made the choice to drink with friends, but only after boating, ofroading and such was done for the day...

I have slowly slid back to the not at all .. and avoid the drinkfest activitys..again... nother worse than sharing time with a drunk... and worse if you are sober...

Sue and I have learned the hardest lesson , how to have fun with out drinking, and enjoy our times and memory's

but again... we chose that...didn't need a law.... and I know where all my props are

 

[MSum661]

I break plenty of laws. I try to break only one at a time.

You have never put an off road exhaust on an race car?

I was guilty of zippin up and down around the neighborhood's on a Taco Mini Bike when I was a little Kid. It was fun as Hell.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I break plenty of laws. I try to break only one at a time.

You have never put an off road exhaust on an race car?

that is legal , and such cars have the VIN removed...

 

[Ziggy]

I don't drink on my boat, and don't even like it when someone that has been drinking gets on my boat..I don't put alcohol on my boat, and don't like it when it's broght on board..

nothing worse than having a drunk on board that you have to baby sit... I made the choice to not drink one ounce for over 30 years... and then made the choice to drink with friends, but only after boating, ofroading and such was done for the day...

I have slowly slid back to the not at all .. and avoid the drinkfest activitys..again... nother worse than sharing time with a drunk... and worse if you are sober...

Sue and I have learned the hardest lesson , how to have fun with out drinking, and enjoy our times and memory's

but again... we chose that...didn't need a law.... and I know where all my props are

You make it sound like you're the only one who does this.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

again,,... the verbage,,that you can consume alcohol in a vessel on the water ways, was replaced with.... you cannot be impaired to the slightest degree.

and as most have stated ... hard to inforce....so more verbage will be added...it's not a block wall when the footings are dug..... but just wait.....

 

[2FORCEFULL]

You make it sound like you're the only one who does this.

I ment Sue and I ...sorry........

 

[Ziggy]

again,,... the verbage,,that you can consume alcohol in a vessel on the water ways, was replaced with.... you cannot be impaired to the slightest degree.

and as most have stated ... hard to inforce....so more verbage will be added...it's not a block wall when the footings are dug..... but just wait.....

Ya know Steve, maybe it would be safer if you didn't drink anything when you're boating.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I don't drink on my boat, and don't even like it when someone that has been drinking gets on my boat..I don't put alcohol on my boat, and don't like it when it's broght on board..

nothing worse than having a drunk on board that you have to baby sit... I made the choice to not drink one ounce for over 30 years... and then made the choice to drink with friends, but only after boating, ofroading and such was done for the day...

I have slowly slid back to the not at all .. and avoid the drinkfest activitys..again... nother worse than sharing time with a drunk... and worse if you are sober...

Sue and I have learned the hardest lesson , how to have fun with out drinking, and enjoy our times and memory's

but again... we chose that...didn't need a law.... and I know where all my props are

Well that is your prerogative. I choose to let guests and myself sometimes enjoy alcohol in moderation responsibly on my boat.

 

[Ziggy]

I ment Sue and I ...sorry........

LOL, that one made me laugh out loud.........ment

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

that is legal , and such cars have the VIN removed...

The federal law states an emissions controlled device cannot be removed from a production car.... it gives no other stipulations.

Just saying.

The VIN removal just insures the car cant be registered for public roads any longer. The car is still a production car.

 

[BHC Vic]

I don't drink on my boat, and don't even like it when someone that has been drinking gets on my boat..I don't put alcohol on my boat, and don't like it when it's broght on board..

nothing worse than having a drunk on board that you have to baby sit... I made the choice to not drink one ounce for over 30 years... and then made the choice to drink with friends, but only after boating, ofroading and such was done for the day...

I have slowly slid back to the not at all .. and avoid the drinkfest activitys..again... nother worse than sharing time with a drunk... and worse if you are sober...

Sue and I have learned the hardest lesson , how to have fun with out drinking, and enjoy our times and memory's

but again... we chose that...didn't need a law.... and I know where all my props are

lol I know all about baby sitting drinks and you're right nothing worse if you're sober. Speaking of props sell me a 26p. Also do you have any more box anchors. I really need one

 

[max930]

Lots of things are "illegal" but have grey areas that police can sometimes tolerate you breaking it under certain conditions. On those ask police how they enforce the law. Its really that simple.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Well that is your prerogative. I choose to let guests and myself sometimes enjoy alcohol in moderation responsibly on my boat.

isn't great to have the freedom to make the choice...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

lol I know all about baby sitting drinks and you're right nothing worse if you're sober. Speaking of props sell me a 26p. Also do you have any more box anchors. I really need one

what are you running now?

 

[BHC Vic]

isn't great to have the freedom to make the choice...

I'm on probation. I'm zero tolerance. Now that I think about it I can probably get in a lot of trouble letting people drink on the boat. Maybe not? Now I need to find out

 

[BHC Vic]

what are you running now?

A 24p. "They" tried a labbed 24 and picked up speed but hit the limiter. I want to have a labbed 26 might be a good prop for the dam run?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

isn't great to have the freedom to make the choice...

Yes, but this thread has revealed no new information on the subject..

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

A 24p. "They" tried a labbed 24 and picked up speed but hit the limiter. I want to have a labbed 26 might be a good prop for the dam run?

I urge you to try it.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Ya know Steve, maybe it would be safer if you didn't drink anything when you're boating.

you are correct..and I try not to...one time I had an ice tea in a foam cup fly out of the drink holder.. tea every where... new rule.... finish all drinks before we take off. and put every thing away...

not many like my boating rules... if you notice.... most all the time..... it's just sue and I

 

[Flying_Lavey]

isn't great to have the freedom to make the choice...

That it is. But arguing with others on a public forum that there should be no alcohol consumed at all before or during operating a vessel just gives ammunition to those that wish to further legislate us and remove our freedoms to make those choices.