DCB M35 Rollover... THE TRUTH!!!!

[RiverDave]

What are we gonna do with the truth?

We want rampant speculation followed by summary judgement

Summary is if you drive a big boat like a small outboard sooner or later you are gonna get bit.

These big ass boats don't like a lot of positive trim.. You cross a wake and lift the bow up and then fill it up from the prop wash of the boat in front of you and you are going up and over.. This boat didn't actually blow over. It went up, stood on the tail came back down and then started walking. It actually settled down for a half a second but he never got out of the throttles and it went back up again and ended up sideways and eventually upside down.

Cold hard truth is it was nothing but driver error. Too much trim and then when it all went sideways he never got out of it. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to throw the guy under the bus, I actually like the guy from my limited experience with him. But he made a mistake, shit happened. Nobody got hurt so it all ended up ok. There's always next year.

RD

 

[milkmoney]

Summary is if you drive a big boat like a small outboard sooner or later you are gonna get bit.

These big ass boats don't like a lot of positive trim.. You cross a wake and lift the bow up and then fill it up from the prop wash of the boat in front of you and you are going up and over.. This boat didn't actually blow over. It went up, stood on the tail came back down and then started walking. It actually settled down for a half a second but he never got out of the throttles and it went back up again and ended up sideways and eventually upside down.



maybe by not getting out of the throttles, might be due to the fact that he was out of the seat, or hangin on?????

 

[DaveC]

Lol

I was trying to make a funny. Not being serious.

I stop trying to make sense of events that I have no first hand knowledge of years ago. there is nothing to learn from second, third and fourth hand knowledge. Lol

I'm just glad the passengers are OK and hope this incident doesn't give the poker run a black eye in the future so it can continue being a fun event for everyone

Summary is if you drive a big boat like a small outboard sooner or later you are gonna get bit.

These big ass boats don't like a lot of positive trim.. You cross a wake and lift the bow up and then fill it up from the prop wash of the boat in front of you and you are going up and over.. This boat didn't actually blow over. It went up, stood on the tail came back down and then started walking. It actually settled down for a half a second but he never got out of the throttles and it went back up again and ended up sideways and eventually upside down.

Cold hard truth is it was nothing but driver error. Too much trim and then when it all went sideways he never got out of it. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to throw the guy under the bus, I actually like the guy from my limited experience with him. But he made a mistake, shit happened. Nobody got hurt so it all ended up ok. There's always next year.

RD

 

[tkrrox]

here it is being taken out of the water. Is was helping get the bags off it and pulling the plugs. If this is where it was remedied and it didn't get moved by anyone from the time of recovery to the ramp I would definitely say it was trimmed to the moon

 

[tkrrox]

I will say its hard to tell but in the pic when it's in the air it doesn't looked trimmed this high

 

[Singleton]

View attachment 266846 here it is being taken out of the water. Is was helping get the bags off it and pulling the plugs. If this is where it was remedied and it didn't get moved by anyone from the time of recovery to the ramp I would definitely say it was trimmed to the moon

Once water gets into the electronic I would say they are not moving. Those are at the position they were at when it went over. Way too much trim and if you are in trouble you trim down and throttle off.

Not to spread rumors, but I will. I heard this same driver had issues at the Lake Cumberland run last year and was fined for reckless driving and blackballed from future events.

 

[hallett21]

View attachment 266846 here it is being taken out of the water. Is was helping get the bags off it and pulling the plugs. If this is where it was remedied and it didn't get moved by anyone from the time of recovery to the ramp I would definitely say it was trimmed to the moon

It's almost hard to believe that the props could get a good bite on the water trimmed that high.

 

[tkrrox]

It's almost hard to believe that the props could get a good bite on the water trimmed that high.

That's what I would think. Maybe he saw wave and trimmed up instead of down on accident. Purely speculation though as I have no idea what went down. I'm glad they are alright and this doesn't effect future events.

 

[eddie]

Summary is if you drive a big boat like a small outboard sooner or later you are gonna get bit.

These big ass boats don't like a lot of positive trim..

Cold hard truth is it was nothing but driver error. Too much trim and then when it all went sideways he never got out of it. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to throw the guy under the bus, I actually like the guy from my limited experience with him. But he made a mistake, shit happened. Nobody got hurt so it all ended up ok. There's always next year.

RD

2007 Lake Cumberland PR I was throttling a 35 Baja with 700/NXT running next to a cat 96 GPS went over a 330 Formula SS wake stood boat on end. I was pitched into cuddy had life jacket and kill switches on. Very humbling experience, same issues: skill level, speed and trim.

Glad all are ok.

 

[Tom Brown]

Glad all are ok.

Me too but it sounds like one of the occupants had a badly broken arm? Does anyone have an update?

 

[Blubyu]

This wan't the only M35 to have issues this weekend either.. There was one up at Pirates that was taking on water like a mofo.

 

[BDMar]

I'm not getting into any speculation on the accident, but I can tell you that boat was not driven with the drives at that trim angle.

 

[CHAD1]

Once water gets into the electronic I would say they are not moving. Those are at the position they were at when it went over. Way too much trim and if you are in trouble you trim down and throttle off.

Not to spread rumors, but I will. I heard this same driver had issues at the Lake Cumberland run last year and was fined for reckless driving and blackballed from future events.

Not true. Boat has never been to Lake C

 

[TBI]

here is what actually happened from my perspective

:rolleyes

 

[Havasu Hangin']

I'm not getting into any speculation on the accident, but I can tell you that boat was not driven with the drives at that trim angle.

That would be some trick...lol.

 

[RiverDave]

Heres another angle that Stainless took, after the accident. Drives were way up.


View attachment 266847

No way they were trimmed liked that under power..

 

[shintoooo]

I know the truth!! Someone told me at the after party.

 

[DaveC]

You can't handle the tooth.... :cool

I know the truth!! Someone told me at the after party.

 

[Patyacht]

Guessing they raised the drives to keep the air bags from slipping out and keeping props away from air bags when they floated the boat.

 

[Tom Brown]

That was my guess too Pat. Is there a way to rise the drives after the boat was under water? Assuming the switches to rise the drives wouldn't work?

Yeah. Batteries and DC electrical systems will work for quite a while after being submerged.

Maybe someone trimmed the drives before loading the hull onto the trailer?

 

[Outdrive1]

View attachment 266846 here it is being taken out of the water. Is was helping get the bags off it and pulling the plugs. If this is where it was remedied and it didn't get moved by anyone from the time of recovery to the ramp I would definitely say it was trimmed to the moon

That boat should never run that kind of trim. That's insane. Unless its shallow and your at idle avoiding grounding a prop.

 

[Outdrive1]

Here's another thought though. The drivers hand could have been holding the throttles and trim button during the crash. He could have just been holding on for the ride and squeezing the switch.

 

[Deano]

No way they were trimmed liked that under power..

You didn't hear that armchair quarterbacks can drive a surface prop above the surface and completely out of the water?

 

[Tom Brown]

Here's another thought though. The drivers hand could have been holding the throttles and trim button during the crash. He could have just been holding on for the ride and squeezing the switch.

... or maybe one of the zip ties was too tight, shorting the up trim controls, and caused the whole thing with excessive rigging excellence.

 

[ChumpChange]

Not true. Boat has never been to Lake C

His post references the driver, not the boat.

 

[Cajun]

Not true. Boat has never been to Lake C

He said DRIVER, not boat.

 

[stokernick]

I'll stay on, awaiting y'all's solution to this event!:eek

 

[Cajun]

View attachment 266846 here it is being taken out of the water. Is was helping get the bags off it and pulling the plugs. If this is where it was remedied and it didn't get moved by anyone from the time of recovery to the ramp I would definitely say it was trimmed to the moon

If the boat is aired out, nearly vertical at say 70mph and the first thing that touches the water are a pair of drives, could the water have enough force to rip the drives into that position?

 

[Stainless]

Here's another thought though. The drivers hand could have been holding the throttles and trim button during the crash. He could have just been holding on for the ride and squeezing the switch.

Yes

 

[throttle]

I'm not getting into any speculation on the accident, but I can tell you that boat was not driven with the drives at that trim angle.

And if it had been, the blades of the prop would have been tossed.

 

[throttle]

Btw, where is the original thread. It had some good educational reading in it!

 

[Duffster]

Wonder if insurance is going to cover the damage to a now very used F35. I'm pretty sure that's why none of the video footage has not been posted. Got to keep that shit on the down low.

Also the owner of the boat and DCB should be thanking their lucky stars that no one got killed. I know first hand how those court trials go.

 

[timewarp]

http://raylarengineering.com/news.html

 

[renodaytona]

http://raylarengineering.com/news.html

That video although missing some of the footage just before most should be able to figure out what happened.

 

[Singleton]

The question I have, is why were they on that side of the lake. Maybe the photos and videos are making the angle bad, but both Bob and Jim stressed multiple times, stay on the Cali side when heading south and the Az side when going north.
If you followed those rules, why were all the big boys running on the Az side and not taking that turn wider.

 

[FreeBird236]

If the boat is aired out, nearly vertical at say 70mph and the first thing that touches the water are a pair of drives, could the water have enough force to rip the drives into that position?

I don't know, but I was thinking the same thing. On my boat which is not a cat, the only way the drives are getting that high is with trailer trim..

 

[Cajun]

That video although missing some of the footage just before most should be able to figure out what happened.

That was very neat seeing how most everyone turned around for help.

 

[milkmoney]

That was very neat seeing how most everyone turned around for help.

how many cats have you driven and have they had jets or outdrives...?...................................bnaglol

 

[Havasu Hangin']

The question I have, is why were they on that side of the lake. Maybe the photos and videos are making the angle bad, but both Bob and Jim stressed multiple times, stay on the Cali side when heading south and the Az side when going north.
If you followed those rules, why were all the big boys running on the Az side and not taking that turn wider.

Staying to left is the shortest way around the lake. It's illegal...but the shortest way around that turn.

 

[skav]

Guessing they raised the drives to keep the air bags from slipping out and keeping props away from air bags when they floated the boat.

The salvage crew stated that they killed power first thing and never touched anything. That was made very clear.

 

[Stainless]

The salvage crew stated that they killed power first thing and never touched anything. That was made very clear.

So that would make OD1's theory plausible.

 

[Cajun]

how many cats have you driven and have they had jets or outdrives...?...................................bnaglol

What does your question have to do with the kudos I gave about the helicopter video showing everyone turning around that you quoted me on?

 

[Go Big]

The salvage crew stated that they killed power first thing and never touched anything. That was made very clear.

Guys, Lets get off the trim question. There is no way that boat was operating at that trim level. Its a boat not an airplane. The props need to be in the water.

 

[milkmoney]

What does your question have to do with the kudos I gave about the helicopter video showing everyone turning around that you quoted me on?

it didnt, i jus quoted you so you knew i was jabbin at ya.....

 

[Cajun]

it didnt, i jus quoted you so you knew i was jabbin at ya.....

Ya, because my phone goes "ding", I look at the message box and it reads
"Milkmoney has quoted you..." And I get about that far and I think, oh hell.

 

[milkmoney]

Ya, because my phone goes "ding", I look at the message box and it reads
"Milkmoney has quoted you..." And I get about that far and I think, oh hell.

i would too...lol

 

[Cajun]

i would too...lol

And to answer your question, none and neither because they are way outclassed for a driver's wages.

 

[Go Big]

Summary is if you drive a big boat like a small outboard sooner or later you are gonna get bit.

These big ass boats don't like a lot of positive trim.. You cross a wake and lift the bow up and then fill it up from the prop wash of the boat in front of you and you are going up and over.. This boat didn't actually blow over. It went up, stood on the tail came back down and then started walking. It actually settled down for a half a second but he never got out of the throttles and it went back up again and ended up sideways and eventually upside down.



maybe by not getting out of the throttles, might be due to the fact that he was out of the seat, or hangin on?????

Are you kidding me?? At no point was that boat back in control. When it came down it hit the right side of of the sponson digging in and causing it to roll. It practicly landed sidways and continued over.

 

[hp1050]

If the drives were at that angle which is way past the max angle for an SSM VI there would have been no drive the universals would have been smashed to pieces.

 

[RiverDave]

Are you kidding me?? At no point was that boat back in control. When it came down it hit the right side of of the sponson digging in and causing it to roll. It practicly landed sidways and continued over.

I never said it was under control. I said it settled down for a half a second.. Implying that if the guy was on his A game he might've been able to save it.

RD