DCB M-29 with Merc 400's!

vegasnordic · Feb 25, 2015

RiverDave said:
They are going to run it next week.

RD

Dave, it hasn't been on the water? I was told yesterday that it had been, I will wait till some pictures and speeds surface.

RiverDave · Feb 25, 2015

You were told wrong.. Lol

vegasnordic · Feb 25, 2015

RiverDave said:
You were told wrong.. Lol

HAHA, figures.

graygoose · Mar 1, 2015

Any new info????

G. Faulk · Mar 1, 2015

graygoose said:
Any new info????

I have not Gaygoose, but I bet if you run with him you'll get super familiar with the transom of that boat. Go Go Verados

graygoose · Mar 1, 2015

G. Faulk said:
I have not Gaygoose, but I bet if you run with him you'll get super familiar with the transom of that boat. Go Go Verados

Hate to admit you are right about that one.
I think mercury has hit it out of the park with these.
May be the death of the two strokes.

RiverDave · Mar 2, 2015

graygoose said:
Any new info????

I will hit up Tony tomorrow and see how it ran.

Not Allways A Deck · Mar 2, 2015

graygoose said:
Hate to admit you are right about that one.
I think mercury has hit it out of the park with these.
May be the death of the two strokes.

I thought you were dead? I know your Double Cheese Burger is growing weeds in it. Just sell it! What is the salvage cost of it?:finger

Boatfloating · Mar 3, 2015

So a 31' Skater estimate with 2 400s 115-120mph so it will be interesting what this DCB runs.

http://speedonthewater.com/new-boat...-outboard-skater-catamaran-under-construction

RiverDave · Mar 3, 2015

Boatfloating said:
So a 31' Skater estimate with 2 400s 115-200mph so it will be interesting what this DCB runs.

http://speedonthewater.com/new-boat...-outboard-skater-catamaran-under-construction

I don't think anyone was thinking 200 MPH... LOL

DCB was expecting 113-116 with this boat. 107'ish with the props they had. It will be interesting, but they are different boats. That DCB has got a lot more weight in the interior and finish, then a Skater would. The skaters are light weight race boats.

I would imagine the Skater would be faster in the end, but the DCB would be one that I wouldn't mind spending a day on the lake in. Now going offshore?

RD

Boatfloating · Mar 3, 2015

Sorry Dave, my typo meant 120 mph per article.

Stainless · Mar 3, 2015

RiverDave said:
I don't think anyone was thinking 200 MPH... LOL

DCB was expecting 113-116 with this boat. 107'ish with the props they had. It will be interesting, but they are different boats. That DCB has got a lot more weight in the interior and finish, then a Skater would. The skaters are light weight race boats.

I would imagine the Skater would be faster in the end, but the DCB would be one that I wouldn't mind spending a day on the lake in. Now going offshore?

RD

Thinking the same thing, Skater's the business boat while the DCB's the bling. Not capping on either as I would be grin'n to own either. [emoji6]

SoCalXFactor · Mar 3, 2015

Any numbers on this boat yet?

RiverDave · Mar 3, 2015

SoCalXFactor said:
Any numbers on this boat yet?

Not yet. Will have tomorrow.

77charger · Mar 4, 2015

I know a reason outboards worked well was due to the lightweight of the 2 stroke engines but with most now being 4 strokes the weight has to have increases greatly and at this point i dont see a real advantage anymore.

What is the weight of the 400s i thought i read something that they would be too heavy for smaller boats so they must weigh a good amount.

Boatfloating · Mar 4, 2015

77charger said:
I know a reason outboards worked well was due to the lightweight of the 2 stroke engines but with most now being 4 strokes the weight has to have increases greatly and at this point i dont see a real advantage anymore.

What is the weight of the 400s i thought i read something that they would be too heavy for smaller boats so they must weigh a good amount.

300xs 960 lbs(pair) 400 1336 lbs

Stainless · Mar 4, 2015

Boatfloating said:
300xs 960 lbs(pair) 400 1336 lbs

Not one to run around and correct people but actually the 300's are 504 lbs each plus you have to add a little more weight for external steering so it's closer to the HP to weight ratio of the 400R's. The 400 has a crank case so you would have to add in a little weight for motor oil. The one question I have asked and don't know the answer to yet is what pumps if any are required to operate the steering and trim on the 400?

Boatfloating · Mar 4, 2015

Stainless said:
Not one to run around and correct people but actually the 300's are 504 lbs each plus you have to add a little more weight for external steering so it's closer to the HP to weight ratio of the 400R's. The 400 has a crank case so you would have to add in a little weight for motor oil. The one question I have asked and don't know the answer to yet is what pumps if any are required to operate the steering and trim on the 400?

Pull the 300xs weight of website but who knows.

dntnosht · Mar 4, 2015

Whats up with the boat???? Everyone knows it went in the water yesterday so where's the numbers?? If it was the home run like everyone said it was going to be they would be all over. Did it lay an egg or what????

RiverDave · Mar 5, 2015

dntnosht said:
Whats up with the boat???? Everyone knows it went in the water yesterday so where's the numbers?? If it was the home run like everyone said it was going to be they would be all over. Did it lay an egg or what????

Honestly I have been so busy today I haven't had a chance to Call Tony and see whats up. He's gone for the day now so I won't have any answers until tomorrow at the earliest.

Outboards aren't a plug and play deal though.. Generally the first time they go in the water they run some #, then they play with props and motor heights etc.. and squeeze some # that's 8 - 10 mph faster out of them in a few trips..

RD

dntnosht · Mar 5, 2015

RiverDave said:
Honestly I have been so busy today I haven't had a chance to Call Tony and see whats up. He's gone for the day now so I won't have any answers until tomorrow at the earliest.

Outboards aren't a plug and play deal though.. Generally the first time they go in the water they run some #, then they play with props and motor heights etc.. and squeeze some # that's 8 - 10 mph faster out of them in a few trips..

RD

Dave, I would say if it were any other builder then I might agree with you. But, there's nobody on the west coast that has more experience with twin whacker setups than Tony. X dimension is X dimension and I'm sure they have that dialed in after all the years of doing this setup. Just because it's a different engine really means nothing. You still are going to run the same height "X" and it's still a "bravo style" prop. Should be the same setup as a pair of 300 XS's

Stainless · Mar 5, 2015

dntnosht said:
Dave, I would say if it were any other builder then I might agree with you. But, there's nobody on the west coast that has more experience with twin whacker setups than Tony. X dimension is X dimension and I'm sure they have that dialed in after all the years of doing this setup. Just because it's a different engine really means nothing. You still are going to run the same height "X" and it's still a "bravo style" prop. Should be the same setup as a pair of 300 XS's

Wouldn't 326 lbs of additional engine weight affect the X dimension?

dntnosht · Mar 5, 2015

Stainless said:
Wouldn't 326 lbs of additional engine weight affect the X dimension?

do you change the "X" when you fill it with fuel? Or when you put 2 people in it? NOPE

HavaToon · Mar 5, 2015

Details from the OB Church, they had someone who went for a ride during testing.

War Canoe said:
I think I can say safely that it went over a 100 mph and mileage was good. Bully was hesitant to discuss due to the fact many changes were being made during testing...prop rotation, lower units and such. He didn't want to spill the beans until the optimal numbers were obtained.

So we have to wait a bit for final numbers. :bangmyhead:

RiverDave · Mar 5, 2015

Boat ran 108 yesterday.. They are still playing with props.

Stainless · Mar 5, 2015

RiverDave said:
Boat ran 108 yesterday.. They are still playing with props.

Hope they send you some in-water pics, anxious to see its static posture.

plaster dave · Mar 5, 2015

RiverDave said:
Boat ran 108 yesterday.. They are still playing with props.

That's a pretty good number.

HavaToon · Mar 5, 2015

RiverDave said:
Boat ran 108 yesterday.. They are still playing with props.

That's 10+mph better than the M29 with twin 300xs.

TOBTEK · Mar 8, 2015

Where's the flipping In-water pics? Better yet VIDEO :thumbup:

NicPaus · Mar 8, 2015

Have they put a 1350 in a M-29? What would the difference in cost be? What about top speed.

plaster dave · Mar 8, 2015

NicPaus said:
Have they put a 1350 in a M-29? What would the difference in cost be? What about top speed.

Yes. It's already for sale. I think it's 2012. It's red white and yellow. I want to say they said 140+mph. I would guess an extra 75k.
Here's the link http://www.powerboatlistings.com/view/32919

rvrrat350 · Mar 9, 2015

plaster dave said:
Yes. It's already for sale. I think it's 2012. It's red white and yellow. I want to say they said 140+mph. I would guess an extra 75k.
Here's the link http://www.powerboatlistings.com/view/32919

Thats a F 29
there is a couple M29s with a single 1350
i think a red one and i think the all white one they had at the LA boat show in 2014 had a single 1350
I do remember the 140+mph

plaster dave · Mar 9, 2015

rvrrat350 said:
Thats a F 29
there is a couple M29s with a single 1350
i think a red one and i think the all white one they had at the LA boat show in 2014 had a single 1350
I do remember the 140+mph

I thought the all white had Merc 565's. The red one I don't remember it.

NicPaus · Mar 9, 2015

So is it cheaper to go inboard power if you are going for top speed? What would it take to go 108 mph with inboard power? Imagine longevity and fuel consumption is the reason to go outboards.

rvrrat350 · Mar 9, 2015

plaster dave said:
I thought the all white had Merc 565's. The red one I don't remember it.

Ok i looked on FB
the white one has twins so your prob right about the 565s
heres a few pics of the red one
pretty sure its a single

BMABITY · Mar 9, 2015

NicPaus said:
So is it cheaper to go inboard power if you are going for top speed? What would it take to go 108 mph with inboard power? Imagine longevity and fuel consumption is the reason to go outboards.

My F29 (2009) did 107 with a Merc 700 and whipple stage 3 upgrade (820 hp). Im confident it would have ran 110 with some prop tuning and better conditions.

I would have to figure that this M29 has more in it, im thinking 112-115 when done.

TOBTEK · Mar 9, 2015

NicPaus said:
So is it cheaper to go inboard power if you are going for top speed? What would it take to go 108 mph with inboard power? Imagine longevity and fuel consumption is the reason to go outboards.

Cheaper with inboard power ? hmmm. wouldn't think so if one's thinking twins. Even more so if OEM Merc power. Huge $$ for these 1100 and 1350 packages. Isn't a 1350/8 drive Apx $250,000 alone ? 400OB's are what 35K each, plus the extra brackets Etc. The OB's make Sen$e if your OK with around a 100mph boat. 140MPH is gonna COST YA on a new build!
On a side note, has anyone noticed how cheap a used 36 Nortech is now. ALMOST makes sense. Bad Arse boats for the same or Less then a lot of new builds.

TOBTEK · Mar 9, 2015

lOl......heard I was way off on the 1350 packages. Their only around $150K each. My bad.

RiverDave · Mar 9, 2015

Some water pics

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Stainless · Mar 9, 2015

Nice stance! It doesn't mind the extra weight at all.

Lunatic Fringe · Mar 9, 2015

TOBTEK said:
lOl......heard I was way off on the 1350 packages. Their only around $150K each. My bad.

Only...

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Dylan · Mar 9, 2015

Is that el capitan reservoir?

Hope you obeyed the 35 mph speed limit

Trash · Mar 9, 2015

Dylan said:
Is that el capitan reservoir?

Hope you obeyed the 35 mph speed limit

Yeah, that's El Cap. I'd wager there isn't enough room to run it out on the big end regardless of the 'speed limit'.

Patyacht · Mar 9, 2015

Retail vs ????. http://www.proboats.com/pre_owned_detail.asp?veh=1560984

Patyacht · Mar 9, 2015

I wonder if they had to add any weight up front for CG issues. Do you know RD?

RiverDave · Mar 9, 2015

Patyacht said:
I wonder if they had to add any weight up front for CG issues. Do you know RD?

I don't, but I wouldn't think you would need it on a 29

Patyacht · Mar 10, 2015

Really RD? http://microship.com/resources/cg-weight-study.html
I think it could be an issue if not evaluated.

dread Pirate · Mar 10, 2015

Patyacht said:
Really RD? http://microship.com/resources/cg-weight-study.html
I think it could be an issue if not evaluated.

My 10yr old son just did a science experiment moving weight around on a milk carton boat he built. Had an electric motor out of a broken r/c car strapped to 2 D-cell batteries and a Lego propeller on the axle shaft. Wish I had this to show him and use on his board.

HitIt · Mar 10, 2015

NicPaus said:
So is it cheaper to go inboard power if you are going for top speed?

Cheaper for the first 25 hours or cheaper for the first 300 hours?

plaster dave · Mar 10, 2015

Patyacht said:
I wonder if they had to add any weight up front for CG issues. Do you know RD?

They have built way more with twin I/O setups and thats a lot more weight.

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