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There’s sooo much wrong gonna happen now as a result of this rain. Those rigs are gonna be there for a month. Unless it’s 100 degrees this week.

A lot of the rvs that are rented are usually rented without saying they’re going to BM.
Since the rental places charge like $3-5k cleaning deposits. That dust shit sticks to everything. Smart burners tape up the exterior
Storage doors and even window frames.

Matt’s off-road recovery could make ton$$.

So could Diesel brothers!

Those rented rvs normally returned this week are now gonna be $$$. Or worse. Could you imagine the call: hey, the rv is stuck in Nevada.
We had to bail. Go get it yourself.
That’s the sad part with some of these renters mentality. Many will do that with no shame.
 

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We respect Mudder erf.
Lots of money is spent to put this hippie fest on, close to 50 mil. I've read. Some day I'll attend. :)
 

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He's not fat, he's just big boned... And big bellied, and big cankled.
He’s got a thyroid!! Lol

The wife and I say that as a joke whenever we see big one.
 

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With a little engineering, they could use all that water, to magically turn the Playa into a real lake.
With every city, they needed flood control plan, and better roads. 😜
 

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OK Fokkers. I was there. Monday to Saturday. We made it out Saturday afternoon about 4:00. I will post photos and. Details once I get home.

It was pretty fun, but seriously tempered by the weather. Right now it's a mess, We're fighting traffic on the 215 now. Super windy on the 395 all day.
 

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OK Fokkers. I was there. Monday to Saturday. We made it out Saturday afternoon about 4:00. I will post photos and. Details once I get home.

It was pretty fun, but seriously tempered by the weather. Right now it's a mess, We're fighting traffic on the 215 now. Super windy on the 395 all day.

Glad you made it out and look forward to reading your write up about the experience. Safe travels!
 

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I was about ten feet to the right of the guy that filmed the yellow Ram breaking out. I have similar video. I'll work on posting it later today. The truck and trailer in the foreground are stuck. A 25ish foot double axle toyhauler and a 4x4 F-150 but he was rolling street tires. He was hopelessly stuck..right in the middle of ring road. Also blocking the entrance to the exit road from the right side. He had tried carpets and tarps to no avail.

Conditions now are vastly better, the mud does dry out in a day or two. At work we call this oil based mud. It sticks. It doesn't wash off. It clumps and becomes a heavy blob. After watching the TRX guy I was pretty worried about getting out. If the rain was going to continue, conditions would only get worse. We watched and waited to see if things got better. And honestly the did get better, but not much.

Cell service is very limited. I could get a bar or two for a few seconds and then they would be gone. So a text here, a text there was about all that was available. My wife finally got a weather update through and it was for more rain. Potential showers and thunderstorms with lightning. That really helped me choose to go for the escape. With heavy rain, things would deteriorate rapidly out there.

It is not like a refugee camp, it is still a party. Sound camps and honestly other camps were playing music and hosting parties non stop. There's tons of food, water and free drinks literally everywhere. If you didn't have to be back for work or other obligations staying and living it up would be fine. I have a business to run and really wanted to get back. We had food, water, propane, a nice trailer, a generator, plenty of gas. We could have stayed another week.

Deteriorating conditions to me meant the lack of porto service. Once the shitters get full, things go sideways! In my mind I'm thinking there's going to be no delivery of water, no pump service, no supplemental deliveries, etc. If the weather gets worse and colder there will be many unhappy people. So those reasons are why we chanced it out. The yellow truck left at pretty much the soupiest time he could. In hindsight I think we did the right thing. It seems our worst case weather scenario did not pan out. It rained some but not to the apocalyptic worst case I conjured up. Either way, I wanted to leave Saturday anyway. Waiting to leave from the playa even when it is dry sucks. The exodus can take hours.

All those 70,000 people, all the equipment, materials, recreational vehicles, hi lifts, trucks, porto potties and trash haulers all have to leave out of the same two lane driveway. Granted this is done of a course of weeks, but as you can imagine it is like putting sand through an hourglass. It goes through but it takes a long time. And if there's stuck vehicles clogging up the flow it will take even longer.

I tend to try and leave super early in the morning to beat the majority of the crowds out. 5:00 am Sunday would have been our time to go anyway. My friend doesn't have a job to get to, so he was hoping to stay later. The rain threw all that planning off anyway.

More to come...
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That dudes rant was funny. Skewed a bit, still funny.

Where’s Diesel Bro’s? Lol
 

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Apparently this is one of the really fun/cool activities at Burning man...
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...I don't get it
 

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Apparently this is one of the really fun/cool activities at Burning man...
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...I don't get it

I have some videos of that at night. Those are 125 gallon liquid storage tanks in a steel cage. It is a simple structure. They are stacked 8 wide and 8 tall, in a giant cube. Each has multiple LED lights inside so at night it flashes, changes and the lights look pretty cool. It is pretty basic in comparison to the more amazing structures out there.
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I have some videos of that at night. Those are 125 gallon liquid storage tanks in a steel cage. It is a simple structure. They are stacked 8 wide and 8 tall, in a giant cube. Each has multiple LED lights inside so at night it flashes, changes and the lights look pretty cool. It is pretty basic in comparison to the more amazing structures out there. View attachment 1273730
Is lsd and vaccines mandatory at this festival ?
 

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There's all different types of people there. From the dipshit theme camp attendees to the tons of old school camper folks who know how to survive in this environment.

Techs and engineers are out there a month in advance laying out the city streets and systems. They deal with wind, rain dust storms in a very harsh environment annually. Because the weat tutus on Tuesday doesn't make them weak. LOL
 

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Seems like the burners who stuck it out are doing ok. Might as well make the best of it.

 

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get to see some of these adventurous people on hwy 80 coming home every year, the one today boy their cars/trucks/rvs were fkn hammered with that mud you could tell same were in it pretty good even the rims were coated in dry mud.
 

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My brother sent me this. Said “ best burning man I never went to”. He drove up to see what’s up. He’s been DPW and wife been kitchen. Burners for a long time at Gigsville. Thinks he’s pretty much over it.
 

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The man is burning!
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There's all different types of people there. From the dipshit theme camp attendees to the tons of old school camper folks who know how to survive in this environment.

Techs and engineers are out there a month in advance laying out the city streets and systems. They deal with wind, rain dust storms in a very harsh environment annually. Because the weat tutus on Tuesday doesn't make them weak. LOL
This sums up KOH :)
 

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I remember my first beer. Between the bs highway block. And traffic jam in a flat lake bed. Hippies suck even my Hippie aunts. The old war hardened grandparents had way better stories than these pussies. Both my grandparents served In ww2. They are pissing rain on these dumbasses
 

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Isn't Black Rock where the rocks will slide across the lake bed? When it rains the clay gets so viscous and the wind will blow hard enough that large rocks get pushed along. Then it dries and there are these weird tracks left that lead to the rocks.

Anyway, this reminds me of back home, the local reservoir would drop well below high water by fall. Anything below high water line was open travel so kids would go wheeling around the lake (there were roads into/in the bottom since the lake flooded an old townsite and such). Every year someone would break through the crust and it was like being stuck in pudding. Wet lake bed silt is impossible and sticks to everything. The only hope was a winch with enough cable to get to solid ground.
 
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I've seen worse mud at KOH. Some of the interviews are telling of the strength (lack) of the burner community. When we lived in Reno the week after BM was the worst. The Burners left a massive mess in Reno, sure they dragged it out of the desert, but they piled it up in Reno. I will never forget staying at GSR the week after BM and watching the pool turn into a swamp as the hobbits tried to return to civilian life.

Seems like many Burners just need an excuse to become someone else for a week and do all the shit they can't do as regular citizens.

I have no interest in attending, but good for them to gather a group of like-minded individuals together. That mud is gonna be the gift that keeps on giving. The first thing that came to my mind was the mix of swamp water with fecal matter and waste. Any open wounds on the feet are going to present a little post-BM excitement.
 

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I've seen worse mud at KOH. Some of the interviews are telling of the strength (lack) of the burner community. When we lived in Reno the week after BM was the worst. The Burners left a massive mess in Reno, sure they dragged it out of the desert, but they piled it up in Reno. I will never forget staying at GSR the week after BM and watching the pool turn into a swamp as the hobbits tried to return to civilian life.

Seems like many Burners just need an excuse to become someone else for a week and do all the shit they can't do as regular citizens.

I have no interest in attending, but good for them to gather a group of like-minded individuals together. That mud is gonna be the gift that keeps on giving. The first thing that came to my mind was the mix of swamp water with fecal matter and waste. Any open wounds on the feet are going to present a little post-BM excitement.


That still happens every year :mad:. Currently the GSR parking lot is full of RV's and U-hauls from burning man. Lot's of mud covered vehicles pouring into town yesterday.
 

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Conditions now are vastly better, the mud does dry out in a day or two. At work we call this oil based mud. It sticks. It doesn't wash off. It clumps and becomes a heavy blob. After watching the TRX guy I was pretty worried about getting out. If the rain was going to continue, conditions would only get worse. We watched and waited to see if things got better. And honestly the did get better, but not much.

We call it Sierra Cement. Going to sunny with increasing temps over the next two weeks so it should dry up pretty quickly.
 

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The truth will set you free. ...then again LSD will do the same only with less commitment.
I‘m pretty sure mushrooms is what all the independent thinking non-conformists hipsters are doing these days to be unique.
 

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My brother sent me this. Said “ best burning man I never went to”. He drove up to see what’s up. He’s been DPW and wife been kitchen. Burners for a long time at Gigsville. Thinks he’s pretty much over it.
By buddy,his wife and his neighbor and his wife were long time Gigsville Burners…they stopped going 5 or so years ago after going for like 10 years…said it became to “corporate “. I just remember the “Playa Dust” was forever stuck on anything they took out there.
 

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A friend of mine got two tickets and a parking pass last minute. I found a rental trailer and we went. This was my third time attending. We used his truck which is a very capable 2016 Toyota Landcruiser. It has not only 4x4 but some very sophisticated driving modes for sand and mud. We didn't need them, but apparently the truck can literally drive itself out of a sticky situation.

We arrived up there on Monday about noon. It is an eleven hour drive from San Diego. We overnighted at a place called Wilson Canyon Rest Area, a gravelly parking lot next to the little river. Empty, quiet and free. From there we made it the rest of the way. Entering was easy, hardly a few cars in front of us.

We passed through "Gate." They check your ticket, read you some rules and check your rig for stowaways and unapproved items. No fireworks, guns, anything that will leave a mess behind. They have to return the playa lake bed back to how they found it. So every bit of trash is picked up and removed. The soil where fires where is removed, and holes, lumps and ruts are graded away. The BLM is very strict with them on this and they take it very seriously. I chatted with a guy who had to spend an hour peeling glue on fur from his bicycle. LOL

The city is laid out like a clockface. The streets radiate outwards and are named after the hours on a clock. Perpendicular streets are alphabetical. We camped around 6:00 and J street. The camps closer to the center are typically a theme camp, a sound camp or a placed camp. The outer rings are for folks like us, in RV's or tents. They call the outer areas the suburbs.

There are all kind of people there. Tons of families, lots of weirdos, all ages, all varieties. There's plenty of hot skinny chicks in tiny outfits, the instagram influencer types looking for photo ops. They like tall boots and sparkly captain hats. The drug scene is pretty blatant too. I watched a fellow in yellow speedo wander around and brush his teeth for 30 minutes straight. He just paced and brushed. LOL. I put him in the weirdo/drug category.

Our camp neighbors were a software geek from the Bay Area in a Mercedes sprinter van. He comes out to the desert there to launch rockets. The other folks close by were a younger couple. She's a wedding photographer and her husband. Totally normal sensible folks. Although they did dress up in furry animal outfits one day. LOL

The wind wasn't bad on our first day. We got set up and hopped on our bikes to ride around. The draws out there are the art, the people watching and the music. There are literally hundreds of themed camps to visit. Most are offering free coffee, or fresh pizza, or baked focachia bread or noodles, or grilled sandwiches, etc. There are no food vendors. All you can buy is ice. But all these camps give away their wares all day and night. They have their entertainment zone with chairs or tables or cushions and pillows and you can go hang out and meet them. The entertainment is limitless. One camp sets up a roller rink. The skates are free to use and you can roll around to the bumping disco music all day and all night.

There's lot of propane and fire stuff going on. El Pulpo Mechanico was out, and other creations too. Wings of Glory is a giant flying horse sculpture that moves and blows fire. There's tons of cool Mutant Vehicles and crazy cars out there. I noted multiple flying carpets made out of a converted golf cart. The washing machine on the mobility scooter was hilarious.


The wind was a bit much on day two so we spent a lot that day just hanging in the RV. In the afternoon we rode around more. My camping partner got a nice flogging from a hot italian girl in a red teddy. The evenings were similar, ride around visit some camps and enjoy the scenery.

The problem was later in the week on Thursday when the rain started. We all thought it would just a little bit and it would keep the dust down. But it rained all night. A lot. The dust was gone alright but was any hope of traction. We spent the next day just hunkering down. The mud is so sticky that it just clumps on your shoes. I figured out just wearing socks was the key. The Burning Man Radio station just kept telling everyone to wait. To stay put, it will get better. But it rained again. LOL They told us the roads were closed and driving was prohibited. But I watched some vehicles getting out. I temped an ATV full of BRC rangers over with a box of donuts and asked them about getting out. They admitted if you could get to the gate no on was going to keep you from leaving.

Cell service out there is crap. Maybe you can get one bar and eke out a text message every 45 minutes. Spotty service at best. I was able to get a weather report from my wife that showed weather on Saturday night was calling for more rain, and possible showers and thunderstorms on Sunday. With more water coming, and no sun or wind to dry out the mud I figured it would be getting worse. They can't pump the portopotties, they can't bring in more ice, water or pump RV tanks.... I didn't want to stay four more days.
 
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So after two days in disgusting mud and being mostly housebound we had decided to go. I chatted with a guy from Grass Valley. He had a big F250 with a lift and big Toyos. His wife and her sister were ready to leave as well. We walked the exit routes and made the decision to chance it. If the rain kept on, the delay would only get longer. At the entrance to the exit lanes there were several stuck vehicles to get around. If you have mud experience you know making a tight turn is not wise. Add towing a rv trailer to the equation and it is harder.

At 3:00 Saturday we got packed and made our attempt. The Mercedes Sprinter van had tried to pull out. He made it about 20 yards and got stuck. That wasn't looking good. The two Chinese girls Mimi and Milly had a rented 4x4 F 150 but it was on street tires. The truck didn't move on 2 wheel drive. It just sat there while the back wheels spun. Once she figured out the 4x4 mode she was able to maneuver. But the street tires didn't get much bite.

Once were were hooked up, I backed up onto our road and made the turn onto 6:00 street. The problem was another vehicle had come along and gotten bogged down since I had prewalked the route. I couldn't quite make the turn and got caught in his deep wheel ruts. I was thinking this might be the end of our escape...but the Landcruiser in 4 Low was able to back us up and we hit it again. Still didn't get out of the rut. I backed up again. A small crowd was there. The jeering started..... it was like Site 6 in Havasu. I rolled down my window and played along.

The third try got us over the mud hump, out of the rut and into less molested disgusting muddy soup. I gave the crowd a "whaaaaaaaat?" as we passed them. The jeers turned to cheers and we slogged on through the slop towards escape. We threaded the needle between the road sign, a ranger in a Ranger and the U-Haul truck that had been blocking the middle of the lane for two days. But we were not home free, there was still 3 miles of mud to get through.

The Toyota was in 4 Low and Mud Mode. We got a little sideways here and there through the deepest of it, and would hit less molested areas as the road widened out. We passed dozens of people walking, riding, and stuck vehicles. I didn't see Chris Rock or I might have stopped, LOL. We didn't have any room in the car anyway, and if we stopped we might have just gotten stuck again. As we got closer to the main street we could see two streams running in front of us. I noticed the subaru with a Uhaul that I saw leave earlier in the day were stuck there. As I was pondering my route an old 70s Ford pickup passed us towing a portable light pole and generator. I figured he must be working there and wisely decided to follow him.

He had a pretty simple plan. Bash through the stream and stay on the gas. LOL. We did the same. The poor travel trailer bounced a lot, but stayed attached. Ka-boosh through the stream, muddy water splashing over the hood an obscuring all visibility. The washers worked well and cleared the view quickly. I didn't want to run up onto the light pole guy. The second stream was easier, but the water carried forward by previous vehicles made the mud extra sloppy.

It was about 10 minutes of white knuckled driving but we hit the gravel driveway, dropped out of 4x4 mode and hit the pavement. We pulled over a couple miles down the road to take a look at the mud, we cleaned the headlights and turn signals and made sure the trailer was fit to travel. As we did that ,the F-250 and his wife showed up for a round of high fives.

The radio and rangers did warn everyone who chanced it: If you get stuck we are not coming to help you.

My neighbor works at the airport. There were dozens of airplanes on site, about 25 passengers and six pilots. They were all stuck at the airport.
When a plane gets stuck they pull em out with 4x4 Rzrs. He shared blankets, pillows and jackets with the stranded for a couple days. Since the event closed the gates early lots of folks who were going to fly in for the weekend were not allowed to enter. That would be a sad financial hit to pay for plane fare and tickets and just get boned.


Yesterday the air port opened and a plane left every 10 minutes. He was released from airport duty and is now on the road in his 90s era RV.
 

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By buddy,his wife and his neighbor and his wife were long time Gigsville Burners…they stopped going 5 or so years ago after going for like 10 years…said it became to “corporate “. I just remember the “Playa Dust” was forever stuck on anything they took out there.
Skillet is my brother. Then Paula Paula Paula, jet, justifier, tack it, fish, and on…
 

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The Port O Potties overflowing isn’t exclusive to this Burning Man event/rain. When I went years ago, we decided we were only going #1 in the trailer.

The Port O Potties were a disaster…you had to find one that you could actually use because they were over the top of the toilet seat. 💩
 

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A friend of mine got two tickets and a parking pass last minute. I found a rental trailer and we went. This was my third time attending. We used his truck which is a very capable 2016 Toyota Landcruiser. It has not only 4x4 but some very sophisticated driving modes for sand and mud. We didn't need them, but apparently the truck can literally drive itself out of a sticky situation.

We arrived up there on Monday about noon. It is an eleven hour drive from San Diego. We overnighted at a place called Wilson Canyon Rest Area, a gravelly parking lot next to the little river. Empty, quiet and free. From there we made it the rest of the way. Entering was easy, hardly a few cars in front of us.

We passed through "Gate." They check your ticket, read you some rules and check your rig for stowaways and unapproved items. No fireworks, guns, anything that will leave a mess behind. They have to return the playa lake bed back to how they found it. So every bit of trash is picked up and removed. The soil where fires where is removed, and holes, lumps and ruts are graded away. The BLM is very strict with them on this and they take it very seriously. I chatted with a guy who had to spend an hour peeling glue on fur from his bicycle. LOL

The city is laid out like a clockface. The streets radiate outwards and are named after the hours on a clock. Perpendicular streets are alphabetical. We camped around 6:00 and J street. The camps closer to the center are typically a theme camp, a sound camp or a placed camp. The outer rings are for folks like us, in RV's or tents. They call the outer areas the suburbs.

There are all kind of people there. Tons of families, lots of weirdos, all ages, all varieties. There's plenty of hot skinny chicks in tiny outfits, the instagram influencer types looking for photo ops. They like tall boots and sparkly captain hats. The drug scene is pretty blatant too. I watched a fellow in yellow speedo wander around and brush his teeth for 30 minutes straight. He just paced and brushed. LOL. I put him in the weirdo/drug category.

Our camp neighbors were a software geek from the Bay Area in a Mercedes sprinter van. He comes out to the desert there to launch rockets. The other folks close by were a younger couple. She's a wedding photographer and her husband. Totally normal sensible folks. Although they did dress up in furry animal outfits one day. LOL

The wind wasn't bad on our first day. We got set up and hopped on our bikes to ride around. The draws out there are the art, the people watching and the music. There are literally hundreds of themed camps to visit. Most are offering free coffee, or fresh pizza, or baked focachia bread or noodles, or grilled sandwiches, etc. There are no food vendors. All you can buy is ice. But all these camps give away their wares all day and night. They have their entertainment zone with chairs or tables or cushions and pillows and you can go hang out and meet them. The entertainment is limitless. One camp sets up a roller rink. The skates are free to use and you can roll around to the bumping disco music all day and all night.

There's lot of propane and fire stuff going on. El Pulpo Mechanico was out, and other creations too. Wings of Glory is a giant flying horse sculpture that moves and blows fire. There's tons of cool Mutant Vehicles and crazy cars out there. I noted multiple flying carpets made out of a converted golf cart. The washing machine on the mobility scooter was hilarious.


The wind was a bit much on day two so we spent a lot that day just hanging in the RV. In the afternoon we rode around more. My camping partner got a nice flogging from a hot italian girl in a red teddy. The evenings were similar, ride around visit some camps and enjoy the scenery.

The problem was later in the week on Thursday when the rain started. We all thought it would just a little bit and it would keep the dust down. But it rained all night. A lot. The dust was gone alright but was any hope of traction. We spent the next day just hunkering down. The mud is so sticky that it just clumps on your shoes. I figured out just wearing socks was the key. The Burning Man Radio station just kept telling everyone to wait. To stay put, it will get better. But it rained again. LOL They told us the roads were closed and driving was prohibited. But I watched some vehicles getting out. I temped an ATV full of BRC rangers over with a box of donuts and asked them about getting out. They admitted if you could get to the gate no on was going to keep you from leaving.

Cell service out there is crap. Maybe you can get one bar and eke out a text message every 45 minutes. Spotty service at best. I was able to get a weather report from my wife that showed weather on Saturday night was calling for more rain, and possible showers and thunderstorms on Sunday. With more water coming, and no sun or wind to dry out the mud I figured it would be getting worse. They can't pump the portopotties, they can't bring in more ice, water or pump RV tanks.... I didn't want to stay four more days.
thanks for a great and objective write up. I had some curiosity about doing a BM and you have quenched that. The “no guns” is a non sequitur for me but beyond that, the more I read, the more it is a hard pass. I do love the irony of how it started off as a bunch of disestablishmentarinists who now make a rather comfortable living with their BM corporation. Proves that capitalism will prevail.
 

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Skillet is my brother. Then Paula Paula Paula, jet, justifier, tack it, fish, and on…
Haha…that’s awesome! Scott and Paula are amazing people! I use to Best Boy for Damon…having Scott on our crew is a god send…enjoy going up to his place in Grass Valley and hanging out. This reminds me that I give Scott a call today!
 

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BTW Scott’s bar car and the stories from the Butn are legendary!
 

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We overnighted at a place called Wilson Canyon Rest Area, a gravelly parking lot next to the little river. Empty, quiet and free.

Wilson Canyon is the pass between Smith Valley where I live and Yerington. It follows the Walker River. We get called out for car wrecks there frequently. Lots of people camp out there.

This happened last winter though. Was closed down for a few months. :oops:

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