Bullet train to Vegas: "Construction set to begin"

[Nordie]

Along the median of 15? So the middle?

That's my understanding

 

[riverroyal]

That's my understanding

Gotta be enormous amount of rebar and concrete for this project

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Gotta be enormous amount of rebar and concrete for this project

I wonder how much Nevada is contributing considering it is intended to to boost tourism to Sin City. And what guarantees Nevada has that their money doesn’t get siphoned off for a few more dinners at the French Laundry.

 

[02HoWaRd26]

I can already smell the Sunday trips home after a Raiders game.

Piss, Old English, Nacho’s, and Mickey’s???

 

[Bpracing1127]

Gotta be enormous amount of rebar and concrete for this project

enormous delays is what i am seeing traffic will be bad for 5-7 years!!

 

[hallett21]

Im still scratching my head on why you wouldn’t just fly?

 

[Bpracing1127]

Im still scratching my head on why you wouldn’t just fly?

because trains are the wave of the future, ask japan and europe lmao

 

[Shlbyntro]

Im still scratching my head on why you wouldn’t just fly?

certain persons that are in high concentrations in the southwest can't fly

 

[HNL2LHC]

Im still scratching my head on why you wouldn’t just fly?

You gotz two keep up wiff da times. Planes are not green like trains. Only politicians are going to fly because they are more important then us. And one last thing…….


You are going to like it!!!!

 

[hallett21]

certain persons that are in high concentrations in the southwest can't fly

Forgot about the “real id” part

 

[stephenkatsea]

Italy seems to be doing well with their high speed trains. Many years ago, my parents and their friends loved to take the train from Union Station to Vegas. They were in the Club Car the entire trip. Club Car = A Bar on train tracks. Back when The Flamingo was a new premier hotel/casino.

 

[Nordie]

Gotta be enormous amount of rebar and concrete for this project

Sounds like a lot of precast work. I know that the contractor expects to be doing 10 to 15 structures at a time.

 

[rrrr]

It will have it's own tracks and they're located in the middle of the frwy median

This sounds really stupid. The construction will tie up freeway traffic for years. The width of the median is inadequate to provide room for the roadbed, construction materials, fill materials, and construction equipment. Access points for construction will have to cross freeway traffic lanes every few miles. Not only that, the roadbed requirements for a 200 MPH train are incompatible with freeway construction characteristics. The radius of curves for the track is many times greater than those for the freeway because of the speed. How's that going to be resolved?

@Taboma mentioned the folly of the proposed Dallas-Houston train. In addition to the power requirements, the right of way will necessitate the condemnation of thousands of acres of productive farmland. Grade separation of the track from the hundreds of road crossings will require massive amounts of fill and expensive concrete structures.

The planned station at the end of the line in Houston is miles from the urban center. The footprint of the Dallas site is inadequate for the planned infrastructure. There's no way it makes economic sense. The estimated cost of the system is ridiculously optimistic. Building and maintaining a high speed rail system by charging the stated $250 per trip won't come close to turning a profit.

The backers claim they can build it without government subsidies, but that's a lie. They plan to ease in the dick over time, and politicians won't be able to resist the virtue signaling opportunity.

 

[thmterry]

The rise and fall of Amtrak, which has been losing money since 1971​

The rise and fall of Amtrak, which has been losing money since 1971

The US has long lagged behind other countries when it comes to passenger rail.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Orange Juice]

I can already smell the Sunday trips home after a Raiders game.

I’ve been waiting for this my entire life

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

I used to take the Amtrak train from San Bernardino to Vegas and then through Utah to Colorado.

From Vegas it went up to Salt Lake and from there to Grand Junction and along the 70.

Very pretty and it was a two day trip. Unlike airplanes it is scenic as most of the times the tracks run through wilderness until they need to come into a city or town.

Amtrak quit that service but the tracks are still there, used by the freight trains.

Obviously these existing tracks wont support high speed rail, and like rrr said, the high speed rails need to be placed to minimize turns, grades, etc. and it sure doesn’t seem like they are doing that if the follow the 15.

The median of the 15 should be reserved for expanding the interstate so when the train fails the existing interstate can be expanded instead.

 

[boatpi]

Italy, great ride. This is the San Giovanni station in Lake Como Italy.

 

[boatpi]

Newsom would never expand interstate 15. He finally had to back down and added a right lane at the California line that only goes for 1 mile although was supposed to go for eight. It’s been two lanes at many points into Victorville for 70 years.. if they can make this work like a trains in Europe it’s going to be at 10. I don’t think they’re gonna throw massive amounts of money at this unless the engineers didn’t tell them it was going to work.

 

[Nordie]

I've also heard that brightline wants to do a train from Vegas to Salt Lake.

Also supposedly there is big service station going it at Sloan for the trains.

 

[HNL2LHC]

Italy, great ride. This is the San Giovanni station in Lake Como Italy

As long as you get in the correct cars. I can image the fights that could happen with the clientele that might be using this transportation.

 

[RVR SWPR]

As long as you get in the correct cars. I can image the fights that could happen with the clientele that might be using this transportation.

Plus parking $85k ++ cars & trucks in Victorville several days baking in the sun & minimum “smash & grab”if not stolen.

 

[mjc]

enormous delays is what i am seeing traffic will be bad for 5-7 years!!

They will definitely do that and then tell you going by train will solve that problem.

 

[boatpi]

The train will start in Rancho Cucamonga

 

[rrrr]

I don’t think they’re gonna throw massive amounts of money at this unless the engineers didn’t tell them it was going to work.

I'm sure they did.

In 2008, engineers told California's government the 350 mile bullet train project from San Francisco to LA would cost $33 billion. The Assembly and the governor sold this fantasy to the citizens.

Current estimates to complete the 171 mile long Central Valley partial section now under construction exceed $35 billion, and the latest guess at cost to build the entire route is $128 billion. That's a 388% increase over the original $33 billion number.

Proponents claim the 218 mile long Rancho Cucamonga-Vegas rail line will be built for $12 billion. As I mentioned above, cost to build the 171 mile long Central Valley section is now $35 billion, or $204.7 million per mile. Brightline's $12 billion estimate works out to $55 million per mile. That's 26.8% of the Central Valley per mile cost.

Does anyone really think Brightline's estimate is accurate? It's not the least bit realistic compared to costs of the real world example now being built.

New cost estimate for high-speed rail puts California bullet train $100 billion in the red

The rail authority now says a Central Valley segment could cost $35 billion — more than the original estimate for an LA-to-San Francisco line.

calmatters.org

May 24, 2023

When Gov. Gavin Newsom unveiled his scaled down blueprint for the California bullet train four years ago, he proposed building a 171-mile starter segment in the Central Valley that would begin operating in 2030 and cost $22.8 billion.

Today, the blueprint is fraying — costs now exceed future funding, an official estimate of future ridership has dropped by 25%, and the schedule to start to carry people is slipping. That’s raising fresh concerns about the future of the nation’s largest infrastructure project.

New cost figures issued in an update report from the California High-Speed Rail Authority show that the plan to build the 171-mile initial segment has shot up to a high of $35 billion, exceeding secured funding by $10 billion

What’s worse, that full system cost is set at up to $128 billion in the update, leaving a total funding gap of more than $100 billion for politicians to ponder.

The $128 billion price tag does not include cost updates for two separate segments between Palmdale and Anaheim, because the rail authority in the past has not updated costs until it completes environmental assessments. There could be additional jolts of sticker shock when those costs are added in the future..

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

If all this environmental, EPA, OSHA shit was around 200 years ago, this country would still be living in caves and banging rocks together.

 

[DLC]

If all this environmental, EPA, OSHA shit was around 200 years ago, this country would still be living in caves and banging rocks together.

But we wouldn’t have

wood / dung burning fire’s / cooking
horses
mules
The environment would be pure…. Just think of all the fresh air you could breath

although we would STILL be surrounded by Donkeys - jack asses!

 

[yz450mm]

Plus parking $85k ++ cars & trucks in Victorville several days baking in the sun & minimum “smash & grab”if not stolen.

Drive to our Ranch in Apple Valley, you can leave your car here and it will be as secure as you can ever imagine. We will give you a ride to the train station, which is about 15 minutes away. Text us when you're on the way back and we will pick you up.

If you really want your shit pampered, we can put it in one of the three garages or shops. The cost for that is an extra 30 pack of CL.

And if you really don't want to be inconvenienced, just drive to the train station and we will meet you there and bring your car back home for storage.

I think $100 would be fair? Probably a lot less than your deductible when you leave your car at the Victorville station and have to file a claim 100% of the time.

 

[DRYHEAT]

Wonder how that’s gonna work out since it seems like there’s a big truck or car crashing and rolling in the median just about every day, or maybe it just seems that way. Gonna have to be some big ass dividing walls I guess.

 

[4Waters]

Wonder how that’s gonna work out since it seems like there’s a big truck or car crashing and rolling in the median just about every day, or maybe it just seems that way. Gonna have to be some big ass dividing walls I guess.

Wait until it derails and crashes across the 15

 

[RVR SWPR]

Drive to our Ranch in Apple Valley, you can leave your car here and it will be as secure as you can ever imagine. We will give you a ride to the train station, which is about 15 minutes away. Text us when you're on the way back and we will pick you up.

If you really want your shit pampered, we can put it in one of the three garages or shops. The cost for that is an extra 30 pack of CL.

And if you really don't want to be inconvenienced, just drive to the train station and we will meet you there and bring your car back home for storage.

I think $100 would be fair? Probably a lot less than your deductible when you leave your car at the Victorville station and have to file a claim 100% of the time.

Generous offer No doubt if still this side of the grass when completed will ride that train for the fun of it round trip Vegas to wherever they decide. Right now we enjoy the 2.5hr Vegas drive from the home we totally enjoy @ Havasu Landing 2 min from the launch ramp and the best of everything Lake Havasu has to offer. Again Generous offer.

 

[HALLETT BOY]

I wonder what the Vegas hotels think about losing all the parking fees now ? And who is the demographic this train is being built for ? Vegas has really changed / adjusted its marketing strategy these last few years . With the way Ca is headed , to take this train you will either ride share to the depot, or purposely buy a shit box you can leave overnight , but with the doors , hood and trunk open …and the cat already removed and safely stored at home

 

[Cooter01]

Two colleagues have left good companies to go work for this project, went from making $200k a year to 7 figures they told me. I can't wrap my head around working on this project or dealing with all the red tape, but more power to em I suppose.

 

[Nordie]

I wonder what the Vegas hotels think about losing all the parking fees now ? And who is the demographic this train is being built for ? Vegas has really changed / adjusted its marketing strategy these last few years . With the way Ca is headed , to take this train you will either ride share to the depot, or purposely buy a shit box you can leave overnight , but with the doors , hood and trunk open …and the cat already removed and safely stored at home

They did just fine before charging for parking, I'd be willing to bet that that's really low on the totem pole as far as making money. The garages have already been built and paid for anyhow.

 

[arch stanton]

How big of an impact will a bullet train have on traffic going to Vegas
About 40 million people visit Vegas every year
47,000 cars go between ca and NV every day on average I’ll assume 2 people per car for 94,000 people
140,000 people fly in every day on average

The existing bright line trains hold about 600 people
The Japanese bullet trains hold 1300 people

If you ran 10 round trip trains a day and they were full you move 6000 people or take 3000 cars off of Hwy15 or about 6 % i guess that will help traffic
Now if you need parking for say a average 4 day stay you need 12,000 parking spaces on each end maybe that’s enough
But maybe you won’t take that many cars off the road because some people will use the train instead of the plane
I’m sure it’s good for construction guys not sure it will help traffic at peek commute times

 

[Ultra912]

The train will start in Rancho Cucamonga

Not for many years. Actually it will start in Apple Valley at Dale Evans
Rancho is many years behind. Victor Valley to Vegas already has EIR, permits and right of way. Ranch has nothing but a piece of property to put a future station.

 

[SoCalDave]

Wait until it derails and crashes across the 15

...at 65mph...

 

[Ultra912]

I'm sure they did.

In 2008, engineers told California's government the 350 mile bullet train project from San Francisco to LA would cost $33 billion. The Assembly and the governor sold this fantasy to the citizens.

Current estimates to complete the 171 mile long Central Valley partial section now under construction exceed $35 billion, and the latest guess at cost to build the entire route is $128 billion. That's a 388% increase over the original $33 billion number.

Proponents claim the 218 mile long Rancho Cucamonga-Vegas rail line will be built for $12 billion. As I mentioned above, cost to build the 171 mile long Central Valley section is now $35 billion, or $204.7 million per mile. Brightline's $12 billion estimate works out to $55 million per mile. That's 26.8% of the Central Valley per mile cost.

Does anyone really think Brightline's estimate is accurate? It's not the least bit realistic compared to costs of the real world example now being built.

New cost estimate for high-speed rail puts California bullet train $100 billion in the red

The rail authority now says a Central Valley segment could cost $35 billion — more than the original estimate for an LA-to-San Francisco line.

calmatters.org

May 24, 2023

When Gov. Gavin Newsom unveiled his scaled down blueprint for the California bullet train four years ago, he proposed building a 171-mile starter segment in the Central Valley that would begin operating in 2030 and cost $22.8 billion.

Today, the blueprint is fraying — costs now exceed future funding, an official estimate of future ridership has dropped by 25%, and the schedule to start to carry people is slipping. That’s raising fresh concerns about the future of the nation’s largest infrastructure project.

New cost figures issued in an update report from the California High-Speed Rail Authority show that the plan to build the 171-mile initial segment has shot up to a high of $35 billion, exceeding secured funding by $10 billion

What’s worse, that full system cost is set at up to $128 billion in the update, leaving a total funding gap of more than $100 billion for politicians to ponder.

The $128 billion price tag does not include cost updates for two separate segments between Palmdale and Anaheim, because the rail authority in the past has not updated costs until it completes environmental assessments. There could be additional jolts of sticker shock when those costs are added in the future..

Apples to Oranges. Central Valley train is on private property that must be ascertained by the State at a cost of Billions. VV to Vegas doesn't need that. Their building an already approved right of -way.

 

[Mandelon]

Brightline West:

Construction on the route is expected to begin in 2023 pending result from a $3.75 billion in grant application from Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, and revenue service is planned to begin in 2027.

So taxpayers are indeed going to be on the hook for a big chunk of dough.....

 

[DaveC]

high speed trains….political corruption at its finest


wonder whose pockets are getting lined with this one?

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Proponents claim the 218 mile long Rancho Cucamonga-Vegas rail line will be built for $12 billion.

Shit that's a bargain....it cost that much to build 12 miles of 20mph rail in Honolulu

 

[jesco]

Will there be a quick stop at the Barstow Del Taco?? Asking for a friend....

 

[Orange Juice]

Ford is building a bullet Train too.

Jim Farley Likens Future Three-Row EV SUV to 'Personal Bullet Train'

On Monday's Capital Market Days, Ford offered insight into the next few years of EV plans, including a new electric three-row SUV that looks about the size of the Explorer.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[OC Mike]

It will have it's own tracks and they're located in the middle of the frwy median

Cajon Pass should be interesting...

 

[havasujeeper]

Maybe it was posted beforehand, but where in Rancho is this thing suppose to start?

 

[240Hallett]

Maybe it was posted beforehand, but where in Rancho is this thing suppose to start?

I don’t remember it being mentioned before. However, there is a train station next to Milliken between Arrow and Fourth.

 

[shintoooo]

They're saying that tickets will be $400 roundtrip. That's insane. Why would anyone take a train when you can fly for the same price or less?

Letters to the Editor: $400 for the Brightline train to Las Vegas? We'd rather drive

If Brightline is going to charge $400 for a round-trip ticket to Las Vegas, it should scrap the project now and return any federal money to the government.

www.latimes.com

 

[hallett21]

They're saying that tickets will be $400 roundtrip. That's insane. Why would anyone take a train when you can fly for the same price or less?

Letters to the Editor: $400 for the Brightline train to Las Vegas? We'd rather drive

If Brightline is going to charge $400 for a round-trip ticket to Las Vegas, it should scrap the project now and return any federal money to the government.

www.latimes.com

They got a filet and cocktail waiting for you at that price?

 

[ChumpChange]

They're saying that tickets will be $400 roundtrip. That's insane. Why would anyone take a train when you can fly for the same price or less?

Letters to the Editor: $400 for the Brightline train to Las Vegas? We'd rather drive

If Brightline is going to charge $400 for a round-trip ticket to Las Vegas, it should scrap the project now and return any federal money to the government.

www.latimes.com

Just goes to show that this isn’t about making transportation affordable but putting money in the pocket of companies that will benefit them.

 

[white tortilla]

Only $350 if you get on in Victorville lol

 

[HALLETT BOY]

Only $350 if you get on in Victorville lol

How many people will leave their car parked for a few days in Victorville ?