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squeezer said:
So, if I'm understanding this correctly: America should have "got out" of Afghanistan like Trump campaigned on and Republicans have been demanding (and also, in fairness, Joe Biden too),
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Yup 👍


but -- BUT! -- America should ALSO have, somehow, maintained control of the country even after we left and essentially continued, again somehow, to keep the Taliban in check, the very SAME Taliban who the Trump Administration via Mike Pompeo negotiated a deal with in Qatar and then Donald Trump himself invited to Camp David on the 2019 anniversary of 911 but later rescinded the invite when the secret meeting become public but STILL made a deal with that same Taliban ANYWAY behind the backs of Americans and the very allied Afghan government and Afghan citizens the Taliban is targeting right now and Americans are all screaming about how we gotta get our friends out but also we don't want them HERE because they are our allies, sure, but also somehow terrorists because basically we spent 20 years, thousands of lives, and trillions of dollars to take Afghanistan away from the Taliban and then ... give it right back to the very same Taliban and anyway even though Republicans and Democrats all hate each other the one thing they and the news media can all agree on is that this is all somehow Joe Biden's fault.
I have that correct? Show me THAT plan. Go ahead. Show me that plan in detail. Show me how the US abandons Afghanistan and turns the Taliban loose BUT somehow magically STILL maintains control over the country. Show me that fucking plan. Show your work.
Let's see it.
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How about you hold your choice for president accountable for not recognizing the shit show he was running and stopping that bullshit, instead of just rolling on through. Or is your excuse that for some reason this was the only thing Trump set up that your side was unable to alter? That is complete bullshit and you know it. Biden owns this thing in total. Any real leader would have seen what was happing and altered course to save our Citizens and friendlies. Not just say fuck it, blame the old guy.

I'm not surprised at the cowardess displayed by Biden or your people in all of this.
 
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Biden cant think that fast on his shakey frail legs. The only thing that pedophile can remember, is what time Dr. Nottadoctor Jill will be serving him his warm pudding. 🙄
 
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Did anybody else catch that the independent fact checkers were from India? Really? No other media platforms looking into this stuff, like BBC...Snopes even?
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Back in the 70's I was stationed in Germany. One of my duties was that of the Base Non-Combatant Evacuation Officer. My responsibility was to keep track of all spouses and family members as well as civilian personal. We didn't have computers back then so I has an index card for every person with their names, home and work addresses, phone numbers, etc. When ever we went on alert I would prepare to mobilize transport to pick up all these personal and transport them to air bases where they would be evacuated. Every base had the same system in place.

With today's technology, there is no reason why a more advanced system was not in place in Afghanistan. Why was it not deployed long before military personnel were evacuated?
 
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ChiliPepperGarage said:
Back in the 70's I was stationed in Germany. One of my duties was that of the Base Non-Combatant Evacuation Officer. My responsibility was to keep track of all spouses and family members as well as civilian personal. We didn't have computers back then so I has an index card for every person with their names, home and work addresses, phone numbers, etc. When ever we went on alert I would prepare to mobilize transport to pick up all these personal and transport them to air bases where they would be evacuated. Every base had the same system in place.

With today's technology, there is no reason why a more advanced system was not in place in Afghanistan. Why was it not deployed long before military personnel were evacuated?
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You have questions that make sense...
The actions taken do not.
 
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Since the day this fiasco went down, these VA Vaggots especially the director are reaching out to the vets they fucked. Here is a example how they are approaching the matter. They know that there a lot of pissed off vets. So many with lost limbs, PTSD/mental/psychological problems, lost so many buddy’s and all for nothing. Scumbags🖕

Veterans, VA is here for you: SecVA - VAntage Point

As the nation watches the military mission end in Afghanistan, VA Secretary Denis McDonough said VA is here for all Veterans who need help.
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ChiliPepperGarage said:
Back in the 70's I was stationed in Germany. One of my duties was that of the Base Non-Combatant Evacuation Officer. My responsibility was to keep track of all spouses and family members as well as civilian personal. We didn't have computers back then so I has an index card for every person with their names, home and work addresses, phone numbers, etc. When ever we went on alert I would prepare to mobilize transport to pick up all these personal and transport them to air bases where they would be evacuated. Every base had the same system in place.

With today's technology, there is no reason why a more advanced system was not in place in Afghanistan. Why was it not deployed long before military personnel were evacuated?
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Um I’m sure it was in place. I’m sure it also wasn’t used or was destroyed.

Plausible deniability.
 
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Well, to go along with the narrative of white supremist being a major threat, DHS is saying that the Taliban "win" could embolden those groups to rise against the government.
Not that people could possibly be pissed the government is failing...
My guess is something's going to happen to turn our attention from Kabul and the beheadings.

White supremacists and anti-government extremists have expressed admiration for what the Taliban accomplished https://t.co/G6s76A1vyz— CNN (@CNN) September 1, 2021
Only one official is mentioned by name, however – John Cohen of the Office of Intelligence and Analysis at the Department of Homeland Security. His concern came from a teleconference call with law enforcement on Friday, which CNN says it obtained, when Cohen said these groups were “framing the activities of the Taliban as a success.”
 
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squeezer said:
So, if I'm understanding this correctly: America should have "got out" of Afghanistan like Trump campaigned on and Republicans have been demanding (and also, in fairness, Joe Biden too), but -- BUT! -- America should ALSO have, somehow, maintained control of the country even after we left and essentially continued, again somehow, to keep the Taliban in check, the very SAME Taliban who the Trump Administration via Mike Pompeo negotiated a deal with in Qatar and then Donald Trump himself invited to Camp David on the 2019 anniversary of 911 but later rescinded the invite when the secret meeting become public but STILL made a deal with that same Taliban ANYWAY behind the backs of Americans and the very allied Afghan government and Afghan citizens the Taliban is targeting right now and Americans are all screaming about how we gotta get our friends out but also we don't want them HERE because they are our allies, sure, but also somehow terrorists because basically we spent 20 years, thousands of lives, and trillions of dollars to take Afghanistan away from the Taliban and then ... give it right back to the very same Taliban and anyway even though Republicans and Democrats all hate each other the one thing they and the news media can all agree on is that this is all somehow Joe Biden's fault.
I have that correct?
Show me THAT plan. Go ahead. Show me that plan in detail. Show me how the US abandons Afghanistan and turns the Taliban loose BUT somehow magically STILL maintains control over the country. Show me that fucking plan. Show your work.
Let's see it.
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ChiliPepperGarage said:
Back in the 70's I was stationed in Germany. One of my duties was that of the Base Non-Combatant Evacuation Officer. My responsibility was to keep track of all spouses and family members as well as civilian personal. We didn't have computers back then so I has an index card for every person with their names, home and work addresses, phone numbers, etc. When ever we went on alert I would prepare to mobilize transport to pick up all these personal and transport them to air bases where they would be evacuated. Every base had the same system in place.

With today's technology, there is no reason why a more advanced system was not in place in Afghanistan. Why was it not deployed long before military personnel were evacuated?
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Were you there for this ?
Had just left a war zone where you couldn't tell Charlie from a villager, and transferred into a terrorist zone, where once again, they could be anybody in a crowd.
The news never reported how many bombs were found in the American Schools following this incident and several others. I was the first person who went in the club, early the next morning, what a mess, and this short clip doesn't begin to tell the whole story.

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Only Biden had the courage to make a hasty exit while leaving citizens and allies behind to fend for themselves.

Only Biden had the guts to make these decisions without consulting allied nations.

Only Biden was brave enough to negotiate with the Taliban to allow our people to leave…even if it wasn’t successful.


Welcome to the great reset.


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squeezer said:
So, if I'm understanding this correctly: America should have "got out" of Afghanistan like Trump campaigned on and Republicans have been demanding (and also, in fairness, Joe Biden too), but -- BUT! -- America should ALSO have, somehow, maintained control of the country even after we left and essentially continued, again somehow, to keep the Taliban in check, the very SAME Taliban who the Trump Administration via Mike Pompeo negotiated a deal with in Qatar and then Donald Trump himself invited to Camp David on the 2019 anniversary of 911 but later rescinded the invite when the secret meeting become public but STILL made a deal with that same Taliban ANYWAY behind the backs of Americans and the very allied Afghan government and Afghan citizens the Taliban is targeting right now and Americans are all screaming about how we gotta get our friends out but also we don't want them HERE because they are our allies, sure, but also somehow terrorists because basically we spent 20 years, thousands of lives, and trillions of dollars to take Afghanistan away from the Taliban and then ... give it right back to the very same Taliban and anyway even though Republicans and Democrats all hate each other the one thing they and the news media can all agree on is that this is all somehow Joe Biden's fault.
I have that correct?
Show me THAT plan. Go ahead. Show me that plan in detail. Show me how the US abandons Afghanistan and turns the Taliban loose BUT somehow magically STILL maintains control over the country. Show me that fucking plan. Show your work.
Let's see it.
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Nope, you do not seem to be understanding correctly. It's that Biden pulled the military personnel out before our citizens & allies were/are left stranded, and also left a trillion dollars worth of military equipment which they are now using.

Good lord, how anybody cannot see a problem with this is beyond me. I really think some people's brains are not above a 3rd grade level & should have their voting & adult cards removed.
 
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jet496 said:
Nope, you do not seem to be understanding correctly. It's that Biden pulled the military personnel out before our citizens & allies were/are left stranded, and also left a trillion dollars worth of military equipment which they are now using.

Good lord, how anybody cannot see a problem with this is beyond me. I really think some people's brains are not above a 3rd grade level & should have their voting & adult cards removed.
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They can't see it because their head is up there ass

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Here you go.


The United States is committed to withdraw from Afghanistan all military forces of the United States, its allies, and Coalition partners, including all non-diplomatic civilian personnel, private security contractors, trainers, advisors, and supporting services personnel within fourteen (14) months following announcement of this agreement, and will take the following measures in this regard:
  1. The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will take the following measures in the first one hundred thirty-five (135) days:
    1. 1) They will reduce the number of U.S. forces in Afghanistan to eight thousand six hundred (8,600) and proportionally bring reduction in the number of its allies and Coalition forces.
    2. 2) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from five (5) military bases.
  2. With the commitment and action on the obligations of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban in Part Two of this agreement, the United States, its allies, and the Coalition will execute the following:
    1. 1) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will complete withdrawal of all remaining forces from Afghanistan within the remaining nine and a half (9.5) months.
    2. 2) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from remaining bases.
  3. The United States is committed to start immediately to work with all relevant sides on a plan to expeditiously release combat and political prisoners as a confidence building measure with the coordination and approval of all relevant sides. Up to five thousand (5,000) prisoners of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and up to one thousand (1,000) prisoners of the other side will be released by March 10, 2020, the first day of intra-Afghan negotiations, which corresponds to Rajab 15, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Hoot 20, 1398 on the Hijri Solar calendar. The relevant sides have the goal of releasing all the remaining prisoners over the course of the subsequent three months. The United States commits to completing this goal. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban commits that its released prisoners will be committed to the responsibilities mentioned in this agreement so that they will not pose a threat to the security of the United States and its allies.
  4. With the start of intra-Afghan negotiations, the United States will initiate an administrative review of current U.S. sanctions and the rewards list against members of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban with the goal of removing these sanctions by August 27, 2020, which corresponds to Muharram 8, 1442 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Saunbola 6, 1399 on the Hijri Solar calendar.
  5. With the start of intra-Afghan negotiations, the United States will start diplomatic engagement with other members of the United Nations Security Council and Afghanistan to remove members of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban from the sanctions list with the aim of achieving this objective by May 29, 2020, which corresponds to Shawwal 6, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Jawza 9, 1399 on the Hijri Solar calendar.
F. The United States and its allies will refrain from the threat or the use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Afghanistan or intervening in its domestic affairs.
 
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They kind of blew it on the first paragraph of the above agrrement...being "committed to withdraw" part. Civilian personnel, allies, coalition partners, contractors, etc...
If they were "committed", they sure didn't show it or succeed in doing it.

I don't know who wrote it, and who's to blame for the poor execution thereof.
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530RL said:
Here you go.


The United States is committed to withdraw from Afghanistan all military forces of the United States, its allies, and Coalition partners, including all non-diplomatic civilian personnel, private security contractors, trainers, advisors, and supporting services personnel within fourteen (14) months following announcement of this agreement, and will take the following measures in this regard:
  1. The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will take the following measures in the first one hundred thirty-five (135) days:
    1. 1) They will reduce the number of U.S. forces in Afghanistan to eight thousand six hundred (8,600) and proportionally bring reduction in the number of its allies and Coalition forces.
    2. 2) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from five (5) military bases.
  2. With the commitment and action on the obligations of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban in Part Two of this agreement, the United States, its allies, and the Coalition will execute the following:
    1. 1) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will complete withdrawal of all remaining forces from Afghanistan within the remaining nine and a half (9.5) months.
    2. 2) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from remaining bases.
  3. The United States is committed to start immediately to work with all relevant sides on a plan to expeditiously release combat and political prisoners as a confidence building measure with the coordination and approval of all relevant sides. Up to five thousand (5,000) prisoners of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and up to one thousand (1,000) prisoners of the other side will be released by March 10, 2020, the first day of intra-Afghan negotiations, which corresponds to Rajab 15, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Hoot 20, 1398 on the Hijri Solar calendar. The relevant sides have the goal of releasing all the remaining prisoners over the course of the subsequent three months. The United States commits to completing this goal. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban commits that its released prisoners will be committed to the responsibilities mentioned in this agreement so that they will not pose a threat to the security of the United States and its allies.
  4. With the start of intra-Afghan negotiations, the United States will initiate an administrative review of current U.S. sanctions and the rewards list against members of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban with the goal of removing these sanctions by August 27, 2020, which corresponds to Muharram 8, 1442 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Saunbola 6, 1399 on the Hijri Solar calendar.
  5. With the start of intra-Afghan negotiations, the United States will start diplomatic engagement with other members of the United Nations Security Council and Afghanistan to remove members of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban from the sanctions list with the aim of achieving this objective by May 29, 2020, which corresponds to Shawwal 6, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Jawza 9, 1399 on the Hijri Solar calendar.
F. The United States and its allies will refrain from the threat or the use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Afghanistan or intervening in its domestic affairs.
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if the Taliban kept its commitments
 
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530RL said:
Here you go.


The United States is committed to withdraw from Afghanistan all military forces of the United States, its allies, and Coalition partners, including all non-diplomatic civilian personnel, private security contractors, trainers, advisors, and supporting services personnel within fourteen (14) months following announcement of this agreement, and will take the following measures in this regard:
  1. The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will take the following measures in the first one hundred thirty-five (135) days:
    1. 1) They will reduce the number of U.S. forces in Afghanistan to eight thousand six hundred (8,600) and proportionally bring reduction in the number of its allies and Coalition forces.
    2. 2) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from five (5) military bases.
  2. With the commitment and action on the obligations of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban in Part Two of this agreement, the United States, its allies, and the Coalition will execute the following:
    1. 1) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will complete withdrawal of all remaining forces from Afghanistan within the remaining nine and a half (9.5) months.
    2. 2) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from remaining bases.
  3. The United States is committed to start immediately to work with all relevant sides on a plan to expeditiously release combat and political prisoners as a confidence building measure with the coordination and approval of all relevant sides. Up to five thousand (5,000) prisoners of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and up to one thousand (1,000) prisoners of the other side will be released by March 10, 2020, the first day of intra-Afghan negotiations, which corresponds to Rajab 15, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Hoot 20, 1398 on the Hijri Solar calendar. The relevant sides have the goal of releasing all the remaining prisoners over the course of the subsequent three months. The United States commits to completing this goal. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban commits that its released prisoners will be committed to the responsibilities mentioned in this agreement so that they will not pose a threat to the security of the United States and its allies.
  4. With the start of intra-Afghan negotiations, the United States will initiate an administrative review of current U.S. sanctions and the rewards list against members of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban with the goal of removing these sanctions by August 27, 2020, which corresponds to Muharram 8, 1442 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Saunbola 6, 1399 on the Hijri Solar calendar.
  5. With the start of intra-Afghan negotiations, the United States will start diplomatic engagement with other members of the United Nations Security Council and Afghanistan to remove members of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban from the sanctions list with the aim of achieving this objective by May 29, 2020, which corresponds to Shawwal 6, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Jawza 9, 1399 on the Hijri Solar calendar.
F. The United States and its allies will refrain from the threat or the use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Afghanistan or intervening in its domestic affairs.
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Uhhhhhhhhhh the "US military equipment transfer agreement" please. 😆
 
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Uhhhhhhhhhh the "US military equipment transfer agreement" please. 😆
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That military equipment was provided to the Afghani defense forces over a number of years and previous administrations including a large amount during the 4 year Trump administration.

Trump agreed in his "peace deal" with the Taliban not to use force against such domestic equipment via his surrender to the Taliban.

"The United States and its allies will refrain from the threat or the use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Afghanistan or intervening in its domestic affairs."
 
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530RL said:
That military equipment was provided to the Afghani defense forces over a number of years and previous administrations including a large amount during the 4 year Trump administration.

Trump agreed in his "peace deal" with the Taliban not to use force against such domestic equipment via his surrender to the Taliban.

"The United States and its allies will refrain from the threat or the use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Afghanistan or intervening in its domestic affairs."
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That says NOTHING about a "US military equipment transfer agreement" 😆




Former President Donald Trump spoke about the situation in Afghanistan during an interview Thursday morning with radio host Hugh Hewitt. Trump made these comments before a deadly terror attack in Kabul on Thursday.

Trump said that if he were still making the decisions, he would have withdrawn from Afghanistan in a "very orderly fashion."

"I then would have taken all military equipment," Trump said. "And I said to [the generals], I want every single nail, screw, and bolt."


"I would have bombed all of the bases, because I don’t want to give those bases to Russia, China, or even the Taliban. I would have bombed every base."

"And I had [Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark] Milley tell me, sir, it’s cheaper to leave the equipment than to take it out. I said you mean leave millions and millions of dollars of Army tanks, and you say it’s cheaper? I say then you’d better go back to business school, because you’re not a very good," Trump said.


Yore reaching boy...............................AGAIN

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monkeyswrench said:
They kind of blew it on the first paragraph of the above agrrement...being "committed to withdraw" part. Civilian personnel, allies, coalition partners, contractors, etc...
If they were "committed", they sure didn't show it or succeed in doing it.

I don't know who wrote it, and who's to blame for the poor execution thereof.
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Therein lies the problem. They weren't committed. They should have been committed to the local insane asylum.

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Don't waste your time arguing with ANYBODY that can't see a problem with what's happening over there. It's like trying to explain something to a small child but they are incapable of understanding. Maybe it's not their fault & they were born that way and that we shouldn't hate them. I don't know, but I do know it's a waste of time.
 
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And yet mil spec body armor would cost me over a grand, I can't buy the night vision and I need to have all kinds of background checks and permits to legally own a suppressor or an automatic...
Makes perfect sense.
 
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The amount of pivoting and under the rug sweeping by the administration and media to shade the Public and completely move away from this strategic and human tragedy is just sickening.

Jen, Little Red Lying Hood, as countermeasures, throwing dead babies under the convoy. America's back. Biden's America.
 
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For the time being, it's the people's America. It's never been one man's. "We The People" will need to stand. Kneeling to a puppet is no different than worshipping false idols. He's building a kingdom on lies, and people defend him, even those that see through the lies...how and why, I do not understand.
 
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Wedgy said:
The amount of pivoting and under the rug sweeping by the administration and media to shade the Public and completely move away from this strategic and human tragedy is just sickening.

Jen, Little Red Lying Hood, as countermeasures, throwing dead babies under the convoy. America's back. Biden's America.
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Yup, the media & politicians will fix this within a month & all the little libbies in the world will think everything went great over there. Crazy how weak peoples minds are.
 
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