AMERICA IN DISTRESS…..

[was thatguy]

Fair enough, sounds like you and I see the facts differently, or even ”alternative facts” for that matter.

If you put all the emotion aside, your two quotes above is exactly what this case boils down to. Is a former President allowed to take classified documents relating to America’s security apparatus, methods and sources, and share them with whomever he chooses for whatever reason he wants to, as the former President has done. If one is convinced he does and there is no argument about it whatsoever, this certainly looks like a hit job. But if one does not see that as the law, such as myself and the government in this case, one can see the indictment as rational and expected.

I do find the human nature interesting in that you do not distinguish classified documents being found and promptly returned (Pence, Biden and others) versus classified documents being intentionally taken, then hidden, moved around to avoid discovery and other acts. If a former President really does have the authority to do as he pleases with high value US intelligence and believes so, why move it around and even have an attorney swear under oath that there are no more documents when Trump had knowledge that there were, an act that met the high bar of the crime-fraud exception to attorney client privilege. That doesn’t sound like negotiating, it sounds like trying to cover up possession. And why do that if one is allowed and has the authority to possess? I don’t get the behavior as being consistent with the belief that one has the authority?

As outlined above I think the circumstances are different between the actions of the former President versus Pence, Biden, HRC and others and it would appear so does the government. But if one sees the circumstances and behavior as identical as you do, then clearly it looks like a hit job to one with those views.

It will be interesting how it plays out but I wouldn’t bet against the government.

I really hope we’re seeing the onset to an aneurysm…but I’ll settle for a major stroke.

 

[was thatguy]

I totally understand the point that authority is weaponized. It always has been and always will be.

And I totally understand why people support the former president.

But at the same time I understand human nature. And when one intentionally tells authority to go fuck themselves and intentionally goes out of their way to create conflict with authority one should not be surprised that authority fights back.

Not sure why that rational observation is seen as irrational in here?

Go fuck yourself.
And shove that so called rationality straight up your gerbil infested ass.

 

[was thatguy]

Thus the problem we are talking about. Bidens, Clintons and many others tell authority to fuck themselves not with their words but with actions but the guy mouthing off is the one in court defending himself. You don't see the problem here?

No, they tell US to go fuck ourselves with their actions.
528.9 approves because he’s the crumb snatcher grabbing what they drop.

 

[regor]

I’d like to see a conservative back in the White House. But I understand you and others do not and would rather have the former President with record deficits, spending and taxes on the working middle class. That’s the beauty, we all get our voice and can spend our money supporting whichever candidate we desire. Not sure how you can argue with that?


Well, as I said back in late 2016, Trump would not build a wall, would not balance the budget, would not pay off the national debt and would lose election after election for R’s under his leadership. And as 2018, 2020 and 2022 has shown us, seems my odd prediction has kind of come true.



We will see?

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/10/opinions/declassification-rules-trump-legal-jeopardy-eisen/index.html

hahahahaha yore leaving yore lil RINO friends out of that debt talk again clown!!!


The ONLY reason we lost any election is because you butthurt bitch ass RINO's are cheating with yore Democrat friends and anyone with a brain knows it lil TDS boy.

 

[regor]

I totally understand the point that authority is weaponized. It always has been and always will be.

And I totally understand why people support the former president.

But at the same time I understand human nature. And when one intentionally tells authority to go fuck themselves and intentionally goes out of their way to create conflict with authority one should not be surprised that authority fights back.

Not sure why that rational observation is seen as irrational in here?

Awwwww, spoken like a good little troon loving Nazi........................atta boy!!!

 

[was thatguy]

He has the authority to do so.


Again, he's allowed to do so, as every president in the past has done.


"this isn't a political hit job"?........I'm just shaking my head at that statement.

He was negotiating with the archives to return them when the FBI raided his property. Again, if you don't see the inconsistency in enforcement and "good for thee but not for me" abuse of power. I just don't really even know what to say. It's so blatantly obvious, a child could see it.

damn, that's some canned answer bullshit right there. hate to go tit for tat but...When's the govt gonna look into Biden doing it as a vice president? There's literally no law or excuse for that. And where's Hilary's emails again? Left is so corrupt she brags about it.

I don't give a shit what someone runs on. A NY AG has ZERO need to go after a president for claims that happened outside of his jurisdiction and has nothing to do with his mission (which is to prosecute crimes that occurred in New York). Can it be done sure. Should it be done? Absolutely not. It's completely out of line and unprecedented. This whole chirade is used via loop holes. Poo butt state AG using a grand jury of liberal shmo's in a liberal state because the butt hurt is super strong with them. That's all there is to it. The DOJ started this investigation and it really looked like it wasn't going anywhere until this dumb ass comes in. Its such a fuckin sham.

Holy shit man. I kind'a feel bad for you. But understand now why you get beat up on in here so often.

Not a political hit job??? LOL....OK. I'm actually laughing. I mean man, call a spade a spade when you see it. You can shovel all that shit you're shoveling above but at least fuckin own it like, "yeah, they're twisting the law and bending it to get what they want done...Trump out of the way." I'd at least respect that. LOL, you're funny man.

There’s nothing funny about him.
He directly buys influence, then tells us that political position doesn’t matter to him.
He owns police chiefs, or at least thinks he does, then pontificates about how that authority is or should be meted out.
He would literally put Alfred E Nueman into office before Trump…and actually voted for that by way of Gary Johnson.
He has stated that “hate” is a major and viable motivation tool, and that he learned early on that morality and an ethical state of mind will get you fired quickly as a cfo.
He lost his temper with me for naming him “the Oracle” and labeled me “cancer lover” 3 months before my wife died of cancer after a 5 year battle.
He mocks every poster on here and insults us as stupid and not conservative in any way, as he proxy installs communists into office.
No…”funny guy” is not how I would personally describe the most vile bipedal entity that steals my oxygen on a daily basis.

 

[Danger Dave]

I thought this thread was a spin off of the Better Burger thread in the lounge.

 

[94Nautique]

I thought this thread was a spin off of the Better Burger thread in the lounge.

Likely the Orafice thought the title was “America in This Dress” and he got all wet and shit…

 

[Wedgy]

There’s nothing funny about him.
He directly buys influence, then tells us that political position doesn’t matter to him.
He owns police chiefs, or at least thinks he does, then pontificates about how that authority is or should be meted out.
He would literally put Alfred E Nueman into office before Trump…and actually voted for that by way of Gary Johnson.
He has stated that “hate” is a major and viable motivation tool, and that he learned early on that morality and an ethical state of mind will get you fired quickly as a cfo.
He lost his temper with me for naming him “the Oracle” and labeled me “cancer lover” 3 months before my wife died of cancer after a 5 year battle.
He mocks every poster on here and insults us as stupid and not conservative in any way, as he proxy installs communists into office.
No…”funny guy” is not how I would personally describe the most vile bipedal entity that steals my oxygen on a daily basis.

Wow. Prayers for your Wife, my Son Billy to hold her hand up to to the Campfire with Grams, Uncle Buck, my Mom's, Dad, and Two weeks ago Thursday, Uncle Jimmy. Aunt Monica took me in for my biopsy yesterday. Godspeed Roughneck.

I give thanks for the good people on here who care. Sissy is blown away by the level of support from RDP Inmates on here. Tamalewagon sent along 3 insurance referrals today for her within minutes of asking. Brothers in Arms.

 

[SNiC Jet]

There’s nothing funny about him.

Agreed! From my view point, full of, or characterized by, deceit; serving to mislead or insnare; trickish; fraudulent; cheating; insincere.....AKA, today's Liberal.

 

[530RL]

Thus the problem we are talking about. Bidens, Clintons and many others tell authority to fuck themselves not with their words but with actions but the guy mouthing off is the one in court defending himself. You don't see the problem here?

All those who have been mentioned who ended up with classified material/documents and returned them were not charged for such document possession. The only charges against the former President are for documents that he repeatedly refused to return and were discovered after the former President authorized his attorneys to file an affidavit that all documents were returned which was a flat out lie. Not a single charge against the former President on returned documents even though he played hide the ball with them.

All were treated equally, including the former President, with respect to handling classified documents when cooperating and returning documents.

You don’t see the difference here?

 

[was thatguy]

All those who have been mentioned who ended up with classified material/documents and returned them were not charged for such document possession. The only charges against the former President are for documents that he repeatedly refused to return and were discovered after the former President authorized his attorneys to file an affidavit that all documents were returned which was a flat out lie. Not a single charge against the former President on returned documents even though he played hide the ball with them.

All were treated equally, including the former President, with respect to handling classified documents when cooperating and returning documents.

You don’t see the difference here?

Answering the age old question…”How full of shit can one person be??”

 

[Doc]

All those who have been mentioned who ended up with classified material/documents and returned them were not charged for such document possession. The only charges against the former President are for documents that he repeatedly refused to return and were discovered after the former President authorized his attorneys to file an affidavit that all documents were returned which was a flat out lie. Not a single charge against the former President on returned documents even though he played hide the ball with them.

All were treated equally, including the former President, with respect to handling classified documents when cooperating and returning documents.

You don’t see the difference here?

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware Hillary found her emails and phones and turned them in, I guess I missed that news headline this morning.

 

[SNiC Jet]

All those who have been mentioned who ended up with classified material/documents and returned them were not charged for such document possession. The only charges against the former President are for documents that he repeatedly refused to return and were discovered after the former President authorized his attorneys to file an affidavit that all documents were returned which was a flat out lie. Not a single charge against the former President on returned documents even though he played hide the ball with them.

All were treated equally, including the former President, with respect to handling classified documents when cooperating and returning documents.

You don’t see the difference here?

 

[Sandlord]

All those who have been mentioned who ended up with classified material/documents and returned them were not charged for such document possession. The only charges against the former President are for documents that he repeatedly refused to return and were discovered after the former President authorized his attorneys to file an affidavit that all documents were returned which was a flat out lie. Not a single charge against the former President on returned documents even though he played hide the ball with them.

All were treated equally, including the former President, with respect to handling classified documents when cooperating and returning documents.

You don’t see the difference here?

I see the bias here.
keeping hundreds or thousands documents that you are not legally allowed to have for 9 years in boxes spread out among many locations, is not immediately returning them.
Having 17 boxes of documents of documents (containing on average 1 document per box) that you are legally allowed to have, protected by Secret Service, and having your place raided by the FBI within 2 years, because they don’t want you to be President again, is a lot different.

But keep sticking up for Hillary, Joe, and the rest of your friends. We see the bias.

 

[530RL]

I see the bias here.
keeping hundreds or thousands documents that you are not legally allowed to have for 9 years in boxes spread out among many locations, is not immediately returning them.
Having 17 boxes of documents of documents (containing on average 1 document per box) that you are legally allowed to have, protected by Secret Service, and having your place raided by the FBI within 2 years, because they don’t want you to be President again, is a lot different.

But keep sticking up for Hillary, Joe, and the rest of your friends. We see the bias.

Geez…..

He wasn’t allowed to have them, otherwise he would not have been charged, they would not have asked for them back, he wouldn’t have provided an affidavit that he had returned all of them and he wouldn’t have hidden them. The indictment, if one reads it, clearly states he is not allowed to have them and cites the controlling statutes.

But put that aside, what I am hearing from you and others is that the former President’s conduct is perfectly acceptable as it emulates people you want ”locked up” and as such you are committed to those who engage in such conduct, conduct you argue is criminal with respect to HRC and Biden but not your guy.

My position remains clear, I don’t want any of them as President as they all have a record of disregarding National Security, but you do put forth an interesting juxtaposition.

 

[Sandlord]

Geez…..

He wasn’t allowed to have them, otherwise he would not have been charged, they would not have asked for them back, he wouldn’t have provided an affidavit that he had returned all of them and he wouldn’t have hidden them. The indictment, if one reads it, clearly states he is not allowed to have them and cites the controlling statutes.

But put that aside, what I am hearing from you and others is that the former President’s conduct is perfectly acceptable as it emulates people you want ”locked up” and as such you are committed to those who engage in such conduct, conduct you argue is criminal with respect to HRC and Biden but not your guy.

My position remains clear, I don’t want any of them as President as they all have a record of disregarding National Security, but you do put forth an interesting juxtaposition.

What a gem of a post.
“He wasn’t allowed to have them, otherwise he would not have been charged”
he’s guilty because he was charged?

“The indictment, if one reads it, clearly states he is not allowed to have them and cites the controlling statutes.”
Because we wrote it in the indictment, that makes it law?

Joe and Hillary did not have Presidential authority, except in your opinion.

your position remains clear.
Be a loyal subject to whatever govt deems is now a law. But it may change with any administration or at any time. or be retroactive.
I sincerely hope you opted for the breast enhancement option when you surrendered your manhood.

 

[Doc]

But put that aside, what I am hearing from you and others is that the former President’s conduct is perfectly acceptable as it emulates people you want ”locked up” and as such you are committed to those who engage in such conduct, conduct you argue is criminal with respect to HRC and Biden but not your guy.

So with that said it's the other way around for you then. You are perfectly fine with how HRC and Biden handled classified documentation as long as any of them aren't president but in Trumps case not only do you not want him president but also in court defending himself vs others who didn't go to court to defend themselves. In case you forgot, Biden is the president btw.

 

[530RL]

So with that said it's the other way around for you then. You are perfectly fine with how HRC and Biden handled classified documentation as long as any of them aren't president but in Trumps case not only do you not want him president but also in court defending himself vs others who didn't go to court to defend themselves. In case you forgot, Biden is the president btw.

As I have repeatedly stated, I don‘t want any of the three as President and consistent with that I did not vote for any of them.

With respect to being charged, I understand the difference in conduct, but accept you see it as 100% identical conduct as well as you see it as 100% acceptable conduct with regards to National Security, our sources and methods and human intelligence assets. We just disagree on that opinion.

Lastly I have no say in the matter other than how I vote.

 

[Wedgy]

"Who's in your wallet?" Main reason I don't trust you to ever meet up on your Turf, IRL. That's called; a good decision.

As I have repeatedly stated, I don‘t want any of the three as President and consistent with that I did not vote for any of them.

With respect to being charged, I understand the difference in conduct, but accept you see it as 100% identical conduct as well as you see it as 100% acceptable conduct with regards to National Security, our sources and methods and human intelligence assets. We just disagree on that opinion.

Lastly I have no say in the matter other than how I vote.

 

[Doc]

As I have repeatedly stated, I don‘t want any of the three as President and consistent with that I did not vote for any of them.

With respect to being charged, I understand the difference in conduct, but accept you see it as 100% identical conduct as well as you see it as 100% acceptable conduct with regards to National Security, our sources and methods and human intelligence assets. We just disagree on that opinion.

Lastly I have no say in the matter other than how I vote.

I’ll make it simple, action / reaction. One parties actions do not garnish the same reaction if it was the opposing party plain and simple.

In regards to conduct are you saying you see differences in conduct between HRC and Trump?

 

[94Nautique]

All those who have been mentioned who ended up with classified material/documents and returned them were not charged for such document possession. The only charges against the former President are for documents that he repeatedly refused to return and were discovered after the former President authorized his attorneys to file an affidavit that all documents were returned which was a flat out lie. Not a single charge against the former President on returned documents even though he played hide the ball with them.

All were treated equally, including the former President, with respect to handling classified documents when cooperating and returning documents.

You don’t see the difference here?

Day drinkin!!!!

No one likes a quitter, keep chugging and typing, you’ve set the bar so low even crack addicted losers are now your equal in making us laugh.

You go!!!

 

[regor]

What a gem of a post.

I sincerely hope you opted for the breast enhancement option when you surrendered your manhood.

 

[Wedgy]

All those who have been mentioned who ended up with classified material/documents and returned them were not charged for such document possession. The only charges against the former President are for documents that he repeatedly refused to return and were discovered after the former President authorized his attorneys to file an affidavit that all documents were returned which was a flat out lie. Not a single charge against the former President on returned documents even though he played hide the ball with them.

All were treated equally, including the former President, with respect to handling classified documents when cooperating and returning documents.

You don’t see the difference here?

Hey Orifice Oracle. You really should just stick to Gerbil Ranching there, SammyTeddyHairgel. Your asshole and your ah, Friends' are fine with it, even though you play hide the Gerbil with them...

 

[brgrcru]

Damn all those whistle blowers , coming out with all the sensitive classified docs, that trump showed them .
Did you see them all?
Trump knows everything about everything . Military Positions , Nuke codes and all other top secret stuff.
If he was such a security risk . Why wouldn’t he be shouting it out everyday and showing classified docs .

Know one has come out
Again another huge waist of tax payer money

Now Biden Hillary Obama
there are countless calls , lots of evidence , bribes against all three. for there treasonous acts against the United States
All should be hung .

 

[Looking Glass]

Damn all those whistle blowers , coming out with all the sensitive classified docs, that trump showed them .
Did you see them all?
Trump knows everything about everything . Military Positions , Nuke codes and all other top secret stuff.
If he was such a security risk . Why wouldn’t he be shouting it out everyday and showing classified docs .

Know one has come out
Again another huge waist of tax payer money

Now Biden Hillary Obama
there are countless calls , lots of evidence , bribes against all three. for there treasonous acts against the United States
All should be hung .

It is going to get to the point that there will be No "Whistle Blowers" who risk their and their Family's lives when nothing happens, and these Honest Patriots are left out to "HANG"

Thanks to "Oblamer" who "Fine Tuned" using OUR "DOJ" into a weapon against anyone who dared disagree or oppose them. The "GOP" is just as Guilty, as they sat there and allowed that Black "SOB" to do What, When, and Where he wanted, as no one wanted to "Jab" Barrack Hussien Oblamer.

 

[rmarion]

 

[Wedgy]

It is going to get to the point that there will be No "Whistle Blowers" who risk their and their Family's lives when nothing happens, and these Honest Patriots are left out to "HANG"

Thanks to "Oblamer" who "Fine Tuned" using OUR "DOJ" into a weapon against anyone who dared disagree or oppose them. The "GOP" is just as Guilty, as they sat there and allowed that Black "SOB" to do What, When, and Where he wanted, as no one wanted to "Jab" Barrack Hussien Oblamer.

Aww Hell. Whadabout Big Mike?

 

[MPHSystems]

 

[94Nautique]

Damn all those whistle blowers , coming out with all the sensitive classified docs, that trump showed them .
Did you see them all?
Trump knows everything about everything . Military Positions , Nuke codes and all other top secret stuff.
If he was such a security risk . Why wouldn’t he be shouting it out everyday and showing classified docs .

Know one has come out
Again another huge waist of tax payer money

Now Biden Hillary Obama
there are countless calls , lots of evidence , bribes against all three. for there treasonous acts against the United States
All should be hung .

The media is beyond corrupt.

It’s sickening.

 

[94Nautique]

View attachment 1242671

When is a husband or a father going to kick the living shit out of this molester? Fucking hell.

 

[HTTP404]

All those who have been mentioned who ended up with classified material/documents and returned them were not charged for such document possession. The only charges against the former President are for documents that he repeatedly refused to return and were discovered after the former President authorized his attorneys to file an affidavit that all documents were returned which was a flat out lie. Not a single charge against the former President on returned documents even though he played hide the ball with them.

All were treated equally, including the former President, with respect to handling classified documents when cooperating and returning documents.

You don’t see the difference here?

You must have some secret source of information. Your facts are impeccable.

 

[MPHSystems]

When is a husband or a father going to kick the living shit out of this molester? Fucking hell.

In the video, Biden is clearly grabbing her boobs and she is doing all she can to get his hands off her.

 

[MPHSystems]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1669554023832199168

 

[Racey]

Trump never got approval from the higher executive authority to have those documents

Truly braindead people

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1668747661028081664

 

[Sandlord]

Trump never got approval from the higher executive authority to have those documents

Truly braindead people

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1668747661028081664

This morning Byron Donalds said that the Presidential Records Act states that Trump has 5 years to sort through the documents.

 

[regor]

Trump never got approval from the higher executive authority to have those documents

Truly braindead people

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1668747661028081664

 

[94Nautique]

You must have some secret source of information. Your facts are impeccable.

Turdy said all the others “returned” the docs. He lies more than democrats do. The found five batches of docs from Biden, none of which he returned. They were taken.

Fuckin Turdy must have scored about 450 on the SAT to be that stupid.

Hahaha!

 

[Racey]

View attachment 1242732

His ability to analyze or predict anything related to Trump is worse than Jim Kramer's stock advice. Everyone in this forum has seen it, and knows it's abundantly clear that his analysis has zero credibility, yet he just can't help himself behind the keyboard

It has provide years of entertainment at this point

 

[530RL]

His ability to analyze or predict anything related to Trump is worse than Jim Kramer's stock advice. Everyone in this forum has seen it, and knows it's abundantly clear that his analysis has zero credibility, yet he just can't help himself behind the keyboard

It has provide years of entertainment at this point

Thank god he is still president as you predicted.

 

[Racey]

Thank god he is still president as you predicted.

*yawn*

So edgy.

 

[Wedgy]

Thank god he is still president as you predicted.

Sick Burn there Sammy. Sitting on your wallet must be giving you altitude sickness...

 

[94Nautique]

Thank god he is still president as you predicted.

 

[Wedgy]

Gary does need some coaching. Can't blame a guy for trying though. No slap, and you know She's thinking about it!

 

[94Nautique]

Gary does need some coaching. Can't blame a guy for trying though. No slap, and you know She's thinking about it!

LOL, Johnson was 529.5’s choice. After the tongue episode, the orafice lost his entire credibility, well, what little he had left…

 

[Racey]

Will the corrupt state be successful in blocking Trump's attorneys from obtaining a security clearance to provide him adequate defense.

We all know the big government lovers hate the 6th amendment and celebrate it's violation.

 

[Sandlord]

Will the corrupt state be successful in blocking Trump's attorneys from obtaining a security clearance to provide him adequate defense.

We all know the big government lovers hate the 6th amendment and celebrate it's violation.

Judge should toss the charges if the prosecution or govt. officials are obstructing

 

[Wedgy]

LOL, Johnson was 529.5’s choice. After the tongue episode, the orafice lost his entire credibility, well, what little he had left…

I laugh at Sammys Johnson. I did hate holding my nose voting Romney in 2012.

But Fuck that Country Wrecker, but he likes that, so whatever. POS.

Big Mike sucks too. But we knew that!

 

[Racey]

FBI Asks Judge to Delay Seth Rich Laptop Release for 66 Years

The FBI is asking a federal court to reverse its order that demanded the bureau to disclose information from a laptop belonging to Seth Rich.

nationalfile.com

"Trust us guys"


How anyone can fall for their shit is astounding

 

[Wedgy]

FBI Asks Judge to Delay Seth Rich Laptop Release for 66 Years

The FBI is asking a federal court to reverse its order that demanded the bureau to disclose information from a laptop belonging to Seth Rich.

nationalfile.com

"Trust us guys"


How anyone can fall for their shit is astounding

Like Billy used to say, "Dirdy, Dirdy Kitty..."