Abra Cadabra... Magic Coming Soon!

[Cole Trickle]

Just curious with people willing to pay 80-90,000.00 for older used magics.. Why would ya say that?

RD

That's a good point...

Lets say you had 140K and were in the market would you buy a new magic or a 3-5 year old Howard with the same power?

I know what I would buy.

 

[Bigbore500r]

That's a good point...

Lets say you had 140K and were in the market would you buy a new magic or a 3-5 year old Howard with the same power?

I know what I would buy.

I'd buy a piece of property and a cheap boat! Lol

 

[Cole Trickle]

I'd buy a piece of property and a cheap boat! Lol

Don't forget a HF tent!!!

But yeah I agree a paid off boat is the best boat!!

 

[nowski]

Sorry to tell you Dave, nobody does Abracadabra better than Steve Miller...

 

[Bpracing1127]

Don't forget a HF tent!!!

But yeah I agree a paid off boat is the best boat!!

True story!

 

[Riverbound]

Just curious with people willing to pay 80-90,000.00 for older used magics.. Why would ya say that?

RD

My guess would be because at the end of the day its still on old design? A brand new "2008 F350" wont fetch the same money as a 2018 F350. but hten again look at what conquest gets for their used and new Decks.

 

[riverroyal]

Just curious with people willing to pay 80-90,000.00 for older used magics.. Why would ya say that?

RD

New nordic 26 with a 8.2 or new magic with a 8.2.
If they are within 10000 im going with the nordic. Its a new design. Nordic isnt going anywhere.

A new magic with a hull from a bad business man and rigged and sold by a business unknown for building boats i just think the nordic is a safer buy. Nothing against horizon or rusty.
You can swap nordic to eliminator or howard.
I just think the magic needs to be 20-30k less to draw people in.

Example. If a new eliminator 28 deck is 150k with stock 8.2 power and a new magic is 120k then i think it would be worth looking at.
Its just not apples to apples....yet

 

[02HoWaRd26]

Wonder if it will somehow someway look anything like this. This is being advertised as a 2019 Ultra deck and is absofuckinglutely gorgeous

 

[ridebig]

My opinion for it’s worth. If it’s not built under the same roof I’d be skeptical. Most builds are done all or mostly in house.

 

[ridebig]

Just want to add, not bashing just saying most “builders” lay up rig and sell. But who answers for warranty problems down the road in this situation?? I do wish the best for all involved.

 

[Singleton]

Wonder if it will somehow someway look anything like this. This is being advertised as a 2019 Ultra deck and is absofuckinglutely gorgeous View attachment 733910

That is the old 28 Baracuda deck. Not sure who owns the hull, but under the Ultra name those have been being built for the last few years.

 

[Singleton]

My opinion for it’s worth. If it’s not built under the same roof I’d be skeptical. Most builds are done all or mostly in house.

Not 100% accurate. Larger builder yes, everything done in house.
Smaller builders sub a ton of work out (might be done at same location, but multiple subs doing the work).

 

[WildWilly]

That is the old 28 Baracuda deck. Not sure who owns the hull, but under the Ultra name those have been being built for the last few years.

I didn't realize you could still get one new? I almost bought the orange one that came up for sale 2 years ago and regret not doing it. I had heard Ultra had the mold but didn't realize they were building them

 

[02HoWaRd26]

That is the old 28 Baracuda deck. Not sure who owns the hull, but under the Ultra name those have been being built for the last few years.

It’s a gorgeous boat inside and out! I’ve looked at the one in the picture i posted numerous times. It seems the Ultra crew is capable absolutely of building some nice stuff, but maybe they just need someone to guide them and keep them in the right direction which might just be what’s going on right now with Horizon and Ultra.

 

[Singleton]

It’s a gorgeous boat inside and out! I’ve looked at the one in the picture i posted numerous times. It seems the Ultra crew is capable absolutely of building some nice stuff, but maybe they just need someone to guide them and keep them in the right direction which might just be what’s going on right now with Horizon and Ultra.

As @RiverDave said, Rusty at Ultra can build and rig a great boat.
However Rusty stretches himself thin and things fall behind. Over promise, under deliver and is piss poor at documentation (managing customers change requests) seems to be the internet rumor on him.
Rusty did work for me and it was under budget and completed early, but that was 3 years ago went JW was still involved.

IMO, if given time and is managed (frequent visits to shop), Rusty can still build a high quality boat. He just needs to be managed.

 

[Englewood]

People like to hate on Magic's but here is my personal experience.

The boat rides great, is predictable, very roomy, tons of storage, sounds F'ng amazing. and is just a GREAT all around boat. I've owned 21-25 V's, Ultra 26 Deck and 27 Shadow, Eliminators, Etc. Every time we stop at a bar we get people asking about the year/engine, etc. People like and want them.

I do agree that if a Howard or Nordic with a 600 is $200k, that a magic needs to be $175k or less. Being built by someone that "stretches himself thin" and "under delivers" is not a good feeling for me. And while I've heard nothing but good things about Horizon, but they are a dealer. No different than if "The Boat Brokers" started building boats.

I really hope this works out and they are using the "H" series mold as it had some cool features

 

[RiverDave]

Just want to add, not bashing just saying most “builders” lay up rig and sell. But who answers for warranty problems down the road in this situation?? I do wish the best for all involved.

There aren't a lot of truly stand up guys in the marine business, but I would say without a shadow of a doubt that Preston is one of them. He will stand behind anything he sells and unlike most that are robbing Peter to pay Paul, he has the money behind him to do it.

RD

 

[Heylam]

Too many questions to answer before they can command a price that competes with other builders pricing. In my opinion they need to enter the market at a lower price point until they prove they can make a quality product with a timely build.

 

[Havasu Catman]

Are they at the old Form A Fab building on college next to the DMV? I have seen a lot of molds and activity going on there lately.

 

[DWC]

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The boat rides great, is predictable, very roomy, tons of storage, sounds F'ng amazing. and is just a GREAT all around boat. I've owned 21-25 V's, Ultra 26 Deck and 27 Shadow, Eliminators, Etc. Every time we stop at a bar we get people asking about the year/engine, etc. People like and want them.

Agree 100%. Had ours for 4-5 seasons. It was a great boat. Handled every water condition we threw at it. Very predictable and always felt safe.

 

[rush1]

There aren't a lot of truly stand up guys in the marine business, but I would say without a shadow of a doubt that Preston is one of them. He will stand behind anything he sells and unlike most that are robbing Peter to pay Paul, he has the money behind him to do it.

RD

I couldn't agree more, I bought my Essex's from them and yeah i know its not a DCB but they never let me feel like anything other than the King of the Hill . Solid individuals Both Preston and Paul.

 

[RiverDave]

Too many questions to answer before they can command a price that competes with other builders pricing. In my opinion they need to enter the market at a lower price point until they prove they can make a quality product with a timely build.

It’s alwasy amazing to me how the internet twists and turns and the conclusions that are derived.

I’m not singling this post out but rather talking about the general way forums and social media works.

We have already come to the conclusion that the boats needs to be priced at a certain point.

Not because we reviewed the end product and came to a conclusion of quality vs value.

Not because reviewed the construction materials and laminate schedules.

Not because we have seen the potentially new features and industrial design implemented.

No somehow we managed to do all that from a single picture of some wheels and a fender with some SeaDeck on it.

I mean c’mon guys..

I understand the need to somehow tie the damage that was done by Ultra’s reputation to this venture, but in reality they are very separate and there are key elements that are different.

When you look at what happened with that it basically boiled down to being stretched to thin, and having a never ending financial problem to complete the projects.

Since I’m on that subject most of those situations with Rusty have been resolved and I believe he is working towards resolving the final two. We never hear about that part on the internet. None of those situations were with regard to the quality of the product but rather timelines and paperwork, and money etc..

These boats are being spec’d and built as stock boats and will be for sale to purchase. Which in a nutshell solves all those problems.. but to be more direct and blunt about it they are two different companies that are run different so they shouldn’t be tied to each other on any front to begin with.

The quality of the product will be available to look, touch feel, smell, and even taste (for you sickos) and the end result is... the product is the product. It itself will determine its values.

I have seen it, I know what it is and what it isn’t. When they are further along and they are ready to release it to the public all of you will too, and I can say pretty confidently that a lot of these posts aren’t going to age well.

Long story short they are NICE.

 

[monkeyswrench]

In reading some of these I think there are different wants for different buyers. There are guys on this board that have 1,2 or 3 motors, ranging from a single with 75hp, to multiple totaling over 1800hp. Most people are in the broad spectrum in between. That said, some people will buy purely based on the appearance, or other "baller" factor. The first Magic I was around was only 7-8 years ago. I asked the owner what motor it had..." A blue Mercury" was the response. No clue, hatch only came up to put the battery tender on. That boat was a tad over 70k, and was bought mainly to have a baller boat. I love the design, It would be a great family setup for people like me who still want something "sporty", but can haul everything to a beach for a family of 5 and friends. At slightly less than my first house though, I think I would know specs on the motor, drive and prop...but that's me. Other people who have the coin, may just want, and have no interest in specifics.

Whatever the case, I hope the new boat buyers get a boat that is safe and built to whatever the pricepoint is. I hope the builders make money, and the buyers are happy. That's all anybody should want.

 

[Q4mtxUS]

Can we see a full on picture of this product RD?

Rob

 

[02HoWaRd26]

It hasn’t been asked or stated, but who says they are building custom order boats! I could see the start being they build a turn key bad ass boat and spec build them, sell two build three, sell three build four type deal. I’d imagine they aren’t coming up with a no game plan game plan and have it figured out. Seems they have the capital to play safe and smart and will be great for all at any price point really, unless they price themselves out which seems Horizon is a little smarter than that.

 

[RiverDave]

Can we see a full on picture of this product RD?

Rob

When they are ready to release them. I'll have it up before the Lake Havasu Boat Show.

RD

 

[Heylam]

It’s alwasy amazing to me how the internet twists and turns and the conclusions that are derived.

I’m not singling this post out but rather talking about the general way forums and social media works.

We have already come to the conclusion that the boats needs to be priced at a certain point.

Not because we reviewed the end product and came to a conclusion of quality vs value.

Not because reviewed the construction materials and laminate schedules.

Not because we have seen the potentially new features and industrial design implemented.

No somehow we managed to do all that from a single picture of some wheels and a fender with some SeaDeck on it.

I mean c’mon guys..

I understand the need to somehow tie the damage that was done by Ultra’s reputation to this venture, but in reality they are very separate and there are key elements that are different.

When you look at what happened with that it basically boiled down to being stretched to thin, and having a never ending financial problem to complete the projects.

Since I’m on that subject most of those situations woth Risty have been resolved and I believe he is working towards resolving the final two. We never hear about that part on the internet. None of those situations were with regard to the quality of the product but rather timelines and paperwork, and money etc..

These boats are being spec’d and built as stock boats and will be for sale to purchase. Which in a nutshell solves all those problems.. but to be more direct and blunt about it they are two different companies that are run different so they shouldn’t be tied to each other on any front to begin with.

The quality of the product will be available to look, touch feel, smell, and even taste (for you sickos) and the end result is... the product is the product. It itself will determine its values.

I have seen it, I know what it is and what it isn’t. When they are further along and they are ready to release it to the public all of you will too, and I can say pretty confidently that a lot of these posts aren’t going to age well.

Long story short they are NICE.

Still, no way a start up boat company should be able to have the same price point as an established boat company with longevity. I’d personally pay more for a boat from a company that I knew had been around, and would still be there in the future.


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[Dirtbag]

Everyone needs to chill until we see boat #1 on the water and sees what she is capable of. I am quite sure Dave will be going through it with a fine tooth comb and point out any flaws and all the good stuff as well. Preston and Horizon sells DCBs. They arent bringing in fuckin Bayliners. Preston has a reputation to uphold and for everything I know that reputation is a very good one. Being that Rusty is a block away Im fairly certain Preston has his finger on his shoulder at all times right now. You think Preston doesnt know about the issues at Ultra? Smart businessmen know everything they are getting into. We should be pumped a MAJOR name in the business is being resurrected. Its obvious the Magic boats were one of if not the most popular deck boat ever built. There seems to be a 1000+ in havasu alone. And like everyone else says we have another manufacturer back. Which means more competition which means better for the consumer.

Good Luck to all. I hope it all works out.

 

[Singleton]

Too many questions to answer before they can command a price that competes with other builders pricing. In my opinion they need to enter the market at a lower price point until they prove they can make a quality product with a timely build.

Don’t see a reason why a company should take a loss when first hitting the market. Building boats is not cheap anymore. I knew the cost and profit margin when I built my boat and costs have only gone up. Preston knows what he is doing, and I bet he keeps his overall profit margin under 10% until he gets sales volume.

 

[monkeyswrench]

...The rumor I heard, they ditched the swimstep/ sub enclosure and hung a pair of 400's on it. That's why there aren't any pics yet

 

[RiverDave]

Still, no way a start up boat company should be able to have the same price point as an established boat company with longevity. I’d personally pay more for a boat from a company that I knew had been around, and would still be there in the future.


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Tell that to Adrenaline (either one, East Coast or West Coast).

RD

 

[wet hull]

Check out the Magic DCB just upgraded. It put it on a level to compete with Howard and Nordic. The tired old Magic interior really hurt the styling next to newer boats. I believe this just brought up to par or at least very close.

 

[riverroyal]

Iooking forward to seeing it. Maybe rusty found someone to manage him. It would appear the majority feel thats whats needed.

The only reason anyone is skeptical is from what we read on the internet. Which is always true

 

[Bigbore500r]

Check out the Magic DCB just upgraded. It put it on a level to compete with Howard and Nordic. The tired old Magic interior really hurt the styling next to newer boats. I believe this just brought up to par or at least very close.

I was just gonna post that.....the “MCB” looks amazing! What an upgrade

 

[Singleton]

Check out the Magic DCB just upgraded. It put it on a level to compete with Howard and Nordic. The tired old Magic interior really hurt the styling next to newer boats. I believe this just brought up to par or at least very close.

The cost on that interior upgrade was $$,$$$

 

[CoolCruzin]

For me to spend 130/150k plus the boats going to need some new lines on the hull after 10 yrs
Minor changes
New interior and different hardware isn’t enough

 

[DWC]

The cost on that interior upgrade was $$,$$$

Ouch.

 

[Singleton]

For me to spend 130/150k plus the boats going to need some new lines on the hull after 10 yrs
Minor changes
New interior and different hardware isn’t enough

Go price a new 28’ deckboat with a 520. 130 is cheap today. That is a major reason used are pulling the numbers they are

 

[Singleton]

Ouch.

I have a rough quote from Carlos for my 26 Deck from 2 years ago. It can get expensive quickly. My costs were sunk into pulling carpet and doing something else.

 

[DWC]

I have a rough quote from Carlos for my 26 Deck from 2 years ago. It can get expensive quickly. My costs were sunk into pulling carpet and doing something else.

That interior does look nice, really nice. No doubt the nicest Magic interioir I’ve seen. I’m with you, tough to drop that much on an interior. I kinda like mine plain. Don’t have to chase after kids with snacks, soda or lotion.

 

[milkmoney]

Everyone needs to chill until we see boat #1 on the water and sees what she is capable of. I am quite sure Dave will be going through it with a fine tooth comb and point out any flaws and all the good stuff as well. Preston and Horizon sells DCBs. They arent bringing in fuckin Bayliners. Preston has a reputation to uphold and for everything I know that reputation is a very good one. Being that Rusty is a block away Im fairly certain Preston has his finger on his shoulder at all times right now. You think Preston doesnt know about the issues at Ultra? Smart businessmen know everything they are getting into. We should be pumped a MAJOR name in the business is being resurrected. Its obvious the Magic boats were one of if not the most popular deck boat ever built. There seems to be a 1000+ in havasu alone. And like everyone else says we have another manufacturer back. Which means more competition which means better for the consumer.

Good Luck to all. I hope it all works out.

What is wrong with ( fucking ) bayliner???

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[Heylam]

What is wrong with ( fucking ) bayliner???

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Preston doesn’t sell them, and they’re not a sponsor here. [emoji6]

 

[RiverDave]

Preston doesn’t sell them, and they’re not a sponsor here. [emoji6]

Doesn’t matter that I have turned away more $$ to maintain my own integrity than a lot of people make.. There is always some asshole that will say stupid shit like that.

 

[Riverbound]

River Horizon Dave [emoji23][emoji23]


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[RiverDave]

River Horizon Dave [emoji23][emoji23]


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Like I said, I’ve seen the boats. .

 

[BHC Vic]

It’s alwasy amazing to me how the internet twists and turns and the conclusions that are derived.

I’m not singling this post out but rather talking about the general way forums and social media works.

We have already come to the conclusion that the boats needs to be priced at a certain point.

Not because we reviewed the end product and came to a conclusion of quality vs value.

Not because reviewed the construction materials and laminate schedules.

Not because we have seen the potentially new features and industrial design implemented.

No somehow we managed to do all that from a single picture of some wheels and a fender with some SeaDeck on it.

I mean c’mon guys..

I understand the need to somehow tie the damage that was done by Ultra’s reputation to this venture, but in reality they are very separate and there are key elements that are different.

When you look at what happened with that it basically boiled down to being stretched to thin, and having a never ending financial problem to complete the projects.

Since I’m on that subject most of those situations with Rusty have been resolved and I believe he is working towards resolving the final two. We never hear about that part on the internet. None of those situations were with regard to the quality of the product but rather timelines and paperwork, and money etc..

These boats are being spec’d and built as stock boats and will be for sale to purchase. Which in a nutshell solves all those problems.. but to be more direct and blunt about it they are two different companies that are run different so they shouldn’t be tied to each other on any front to begin with.

The quality of the product will be available to look, touch feel, smell, and even taste (for you sickos) and the end result is... the product is the product. It itself will determine its values.

I have seen it, I know what it is and what it isn’t. When they are further along and they are ready to release it to the public all of you will too, and I can say pretty confidently that a lot of these posts aren’t going to age well.

Long story short they are NICE.

From some of the posts I read he should be dead or in jail. But I just know what I see here

 

[Singleton]

From some of the posts I read he should be dead or in jail. But I just know what I see here

Who? For Rusty? I have talked to Rusty in detail on a couple of those forum posted issues and heard his side of the story. Rusty will not post his side and I told him I would not post it either. Three sides to all stories and most only know what was posted.
I flat out told Rusty I had concerns about supporting Ultra until those issues got resolved. I am not there yet, but getting closer.

 

[RiverDave]

Who? For Rusty? I have talked to Rusty in detail on a couple of those forum posted issues and heard his side of the story. Rusty will not post his side and I told him I would not post it either. Three sides to all stories and most only know what was posted.
I flat out told Rusty I had concerns about supporting Ultra until those issues got resolved. I am not there yet, but getting closer.

I told Rusty not to post any of them either and told him it just makes things worse. Unless you are sitting on a full proof “this guy is lying” type case the public will never side with a mfg or biz.

That said that’s a whole different subject and a different thread.

 

[Singleton]

I told Rusty not to post any of them either and told him it just makes things worse. Unless you are sitting on a full proof “this guy is lying” type case the public will never side with a mfg or biz.

That said that’s a whole different subject and a different thread.

True - so post a another pic of the magic

 

[milkmoney]

Preston doesn’t sell them, and they’re not a sponsor here. [emoji6]

Maybe he should and maybe they should.

There are very good reason why a lot of folks are into boating. That dont even know what bayliner did for the boating world .....
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