A Question...?

[squeezer]

OK it is no surprise that we do not have many members that are fans of President Obama. Get it Got It Good

Now the question. Hatred of President Obama aside, what are the reasons to vote for Governor Romney? And I don't mean political or ideological reasons, I want to support him on HIS merits but just have not been able to find any... Can anybody explain to me why they think he is a good candidate without using a negative reference to Democrats or our President...??

 

[RitcheyRch]

Because Obama had 4 years to try and turn the country around and he didnt.

 

[squeezer]

Because Obama had 4 years to try and turn the country around and he didnt.

"Can anybody explain to me why they think he is a good candidate without using a negative reference to Democrats or our President...?? "


Swing and a miss... Strike one.

 

[Old Texan]

Romney is a leader and knows how to work with people to get the job done. His time as Gov of MA proves that out. He's been successful in business and his personal life and doesn't have any other agenda or ax to grind with the nation he's going to govern. He is honest and transparent in his life's achievements and doesn't have anything to hide. This proves out from the fact his opponents have tried to dig up dirt and look ridiculous with the things they've tried to make issues out of because they could not find issues with merit.

Romney had the good sense to choose and honorable and intelligent man as a running mate who is a proven Congressional member that understands the economy as well or better than the majority in DC. Romney and Ryan come across as professionals and campaign on issues without the need to throw mud at the wall about their opponents. Their opponents spend more time trying to make R&R look bad than they do trying to back up their 1st term results and and explain their many failures.

Mitt Romney is a man who will not sit and watch brave men die under his charge. Mitt Romney will take the office he wins seriously and treat it with the respect it deserves including using the resources under his charge to make quick and decisive decisions to protect our citizens at home and abroad. And he will be forthright about the issues of all situations regardless of what it makes him look like. He is not a man to avoid issues or vote present fearing for political repercussions.

Basically we are making a choice between a man of high character who has built successful ventures and shown an ability to manage and lead winning the respect from those he leads, and a manchild who is unsure of himself, obviously troubled with the nation he was put in charge of and has created an atmosphere of doubt and miscontent. It's quite apparent we now have a wannabe who has shown he isn't up to the task but now have the opportunity to elect a man who stands tall and will not melt under fire. We need Mitt Romney.

 

[460]

I'm going to sit this one out.

Just one thing.

If Romney wins and 4 years from now we are in worse Shape then we are, are all you Obama haters going to blast Romney and pull his dick out of you're mouth? Just wondering.

 

[Faceaz]

I'm going to sit this one out.

Just one thing.

If Romney wins and 4 years from now we are in worse Shape then we are, are all you Obama haters going to blast Romney and pull his dick out of you're mouth? Just wondering.

Most of them still think Bush Jr. was a great president :skull, does that answer your question?

 

[Racey]

I'm going to sit this one out.

Just one thing.

If Romney wins and 4 years from now we are in worse Shape then we are, are all you Obama haters going to blast Romney and pull his dick out of you're mouth? Just wondering.

Where have you been, it's always the last guys fault.... they'll blame Obama for laying such a fucked up foundation for him and then if a democrat gets back in he'll blame romney, wash, rinse, repeat. It's american politics at it's finest, and the hard core party liners will follow the rhetoric.

 

[460]

Where have you been, it's always the last guys fault.... they'll blame Obama for laying such a fucked up foundation for him and then if a democrat gets back in he'll blame romney, wash, rinse, repeat. It's american politics at it's finest, and the hard core party liners will follow the rhetoric.

Most of them still think Bush Jr. was a great president :skull, does that answer your question?

I just want to hear it from them. I know it's a long shot, but its a new month.

It's a crying shame THOSE types are so hard core party that they can't open there eyes and see the real truth.

 

[regor]

This election is about one thing and one thing only in my opinion..........turning around our economy and starting to address our debt. I don't give a rat's ass about anything else at this point.

The question is, who would you rather have as the CEO of this bankrupt company. A community organizer with a proven track record for the last 4 years or a true CEO with a proven track record throughout his career. I'll take the latter.

 

[Paul65k]

I really only dislike Obama for one single reason........I believe he has not tried to reach across the aisle at all in his tenure. In fact (IMHO) he has built walls and barriers to the desires of a large portion of the populace.

There has not since Nixon been a president that has so seemingly disliked the other half of the people that have an opinion that differs from his. Reagan reached across the aisle.....Jimmy Carter would not and look what happened during his tenure. JFK reached across the aisle....Nixon hated anyone or anything that did not sync with his policies/opinions.....and it didn't end well for him.

Clinton started out on the Obama path but figured it out after the mid terms and was actually pretty good at reaching across the aisle and got some shit done. I'm actually not a big fan of the Clinton's but at least Bill was smart enough to work across the aisle and while his policies were 70 - 75% his way he did manage to keep the folks talking and working together.

Romney has a history of working with those that have differing viewpoints and getting things done. I spent my life in Big business and I can promise you there are so many ideas and contingencies that he has HAD to learn how to deal with folks that have differing viewpoints and most importantly getting them to work together to pull the wagon in the same direction for a common goal. He did OK with the Olympics and as Governor......he actually killed it with the Olympics and as Governor he was just OK.....but for me when I realize that he had 87% of his legislature on "The other side" just doing OK is alright by me.

Look I hate Obama's policies of redistribution......but I could be more supportive of his administration if he would have done a better job of at least trying to work with the other side and try to address our desires and not just be a president for the folks that agree with him........I think he has alienated way too many people.....for me this is his biggest failing.

My .02

 

[Faceaz]

I just want to hear it from them. I know it's a long shot, but its a new month.

It's a crying shame THOSE types are so hard core party that they can't open there eyes and see the real truth.

Maybe asking them to define what would make Romney a failure, would be better.

Would a 18 Trillion $ debt after the next 4 years be considered a failure?
Would a 8% Unemployment after the next 4 years be a failure?

I'd like to see what their "realistic" expectations are.

 

[regor]

Maybe asking them to define what would make Romney a failure, would be better.

Would a 18 Trillion $ debt after the next 4 years be considered a failure?
Would a 8% Unemployment after the next 4 years be a failure?

I'd like to see what their "realistic" expectations are.

Would a 18 Trillion $ debt after the next 4 years be considered a failure?-No
Would a 8% Unemployment after the next 4 years be a failure?-Yes

 

[squeezer]

Romney is a leader and knows how to work with people to get the job done. His time as Gov of MA proves that out. He's been successful in business and his personal life and doesn't have any other agenda or ax to grind with the nation he's going to govern. He is honest and transparent in his life's achievements and doesn't have anything to hide. This proves out from the fact his opponents have tried to dig up dirt and look ridiculous with the things they've tried to make issues out of because they could not find issues with merit.

Romney had the good sense to choose and honorable and intelligent man as a running mate who is a proven Congressional member that understands the economy as well or better than the majority in DC. Romney and Ryan come across as professionals and campaign on issues without the need to throw mud at the wall about their opponents. Their opponents spend more time trying to make R&R look bad than they do trying to back up their 1st term results and and explain their many failures.

Mitt Romney is a man who will not sit and watch brave men die under his charge. Mitt Romney will take the office he wins seriously and treat it with the respect it deserves including using the resources under his charge to make quick and decisive decisions to protect our citizens at home and abroad. And he will be forthright about the issues of all situations regardless of what it makes him look like. He is not a man to avoid issues or vote present fearing for political repercussions.

Basically we are making a choice between a man of high character who has built successful ventures and shown an ability to manage and lead winning the respect from those he leads, and a manchild who is unsure of himself, obviously troubled with the nation he was put in charge of and has created an atmosphere of doubt and miscontent. It's quite apparent we now have a wannabe who has shown he isn't up to the task but now have the opportunity to elect a man who stands tall and will not melt under fire. We need Mitt Romney.

Thanks OT this is the kind of response I was hoping for... (The rest of you guys suck.)

can you give an example or some links that support his "Successful" governship... Anything I have found to date has painted him in a fairly negative light in that regard. (The two most telling are a 34% approval rating during his last year and running 15% behind in the current polls in MA...)

Some of your other points are valid except for the transparency comment, sorry but I have to disagree with that one. Two years of tax returns are not enough for me, especially for a guy who has been running for president for 6 years.

 

[OutCole'd]

To me it's all about the debt. Of the two people running, who do I believe will give us more debt than the other. I beliebe our current President has failed miseably at controlling spending and our debt.

I'm not a fan of Romney at all, but I believe he will do a better job at controlling spending. If not, I'll vote the other way in four years. All I can do is guess at this point. They choices we have both suck, but which one sucks less is the point.

I agree with many of Obama's points. I just wish he chose a different priority these last four years. Health care is a big deal, and America should do a much better job than we are currently doing at taking care of our own CITIZEN's. I just wish he would have made the economy, jobs, and our debt a priority over everything else.

If Romney wins, and I don't think he will, I'll give him four years to see what he can do. If not, I don't think he will do more damage to our economy than Obama has.

 

[AzGeo]

I'm most disapointed in the complete 180 degree 'turn around' on almost everything he offered to do or be when elected. He's not 'open' he's the most secretive, he's not willing to work 'across the isle' he has CZARS to carry out HIS plans, he is 'redistributing wealth' one free cellphone at a time, and I really don't like that at all. He 'waz gonna close GitMo', and give US Miranda Rights to war criminals, he has TOLD our enemys when and where we would leave our fight with them, and he has 'apologized' for being an American while in other lands. HE ORDERED the BAIL OUTS with no terms nor conditions on those who got the money, and much of it went outside of this country. He did 'get the Peace Prize' (but I still don't know why) and HE KEEPS SAYING "we got America's enemy" (like he helped) but I believe it was years of hard work by the US military and the CIA that got him. You asked for "them (GOPs) to list some reasons, without party divisiveness" well here are a few things I recall, and I didn't even go into the MILLIONS spent by the First Lady on 'travel and entertainment'. NO Mr President, you dodge the facts, you manipulate behind closed doors, you have made US Citizens LESS SAFE, you spend without regard for the taxpayers, you reward the poor and lazy with free rent and cellphones, (instead of jobs) then tell the smaller numbers of 'working people' to pay more taxes ! It's you personally Mr President. It's not your party, they don't hide from the facts, they don't 'say one thing and do the other', they don't 'apologize for America', and your party does not take credit for Bin Laden. Mr President, you gave us 'HOPE' with all your promises and programs, but you gave us 'CHANGE' with all your bumbling mistakes and secrecy, and now we need a 'business man' to get us out of the 'bad business' practices of our Congress. Mr President, you hold the highest, most powerfull position on this planet, and YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT, the American people and their American Dream did !

 

[Old Texan]

I'm going to sit this one out.

Just one thing.

If Romney wins and 4 years from now we are in worse Shape then we are, are all you Obama haters going to blast Romney and pull his dick out of you're mouth? Just wondering.

You're one classy guy ain't ya.....:rolleyes

 

[65Mandella]

Obama has killed our energy production and in turn everything falls... Hard to make stuff when energy is SO expensive. Obama has a war on coal, already shutting down over 100 coal plants. Obama has seized drilling for oil on public lands ( only oil were getting is from private lands ), he only approved 1/2 the Keystone pipeline ( hard to move oil only 1/2 way... Still trying to figure out that move???)....
If we used our oil and sold the rest we would be energy independent, companies would be able to have cheap electricity, move products with cheaper diesel for trucks, food would be cheaper, he'll, anything that comes by truck would be cheaper, and energy could/would fix our debt.....
I believe it all starts with energy and Romney has a all of the above solution -oil, gas, solar, wind,
not just a all above the ground solution Obama wants which is crippling our energy and wallets!!!

 

[Old Texan]

Thanks OT this is the kind of response I was hoping for... (The rest of you guys suck.)

can you give an example or some links that support his "Successful" governship... Anything I have found to date has painted him in a fairly negative light in that regard. (The two most telling are a 34% approval rating during his last year and running 15% behind in the current polls in MA...)

Some of your other points are valid except for the transparency comment, sorry but I have to disagree with that one. Two years of tax returns are not enough for me, especially for a guy who has been running for president for 6 years.

As far as the Governor position, it's pretty telling that he won a Dem state as a Republican. His working with 2 long tenured Dem Senators in Kerry and Kennedy shows his willingness to get along and do what was in the best interest of the state who elected him. Both of them had praise for Mitt as the governor to back him up. Of course Kerry ain't gonna admit to it at this time due to the situation. Overall I think he did an above average job in MA inspite of what today's polls show and I'm not taking time to research the source of the negatives claimed against him so it's just my opinion.

On his tax returns, he gave what was required. As he clearly stated, all they are wanting is fodder to pick apart, nothing positive to giving up more years as it will just enable a means to avoid discussing issues. That makes good sense to me. And I agree with him. What stands to be gained with more years? I view these demands for what the are, lack of anything of substance to discredit MR, so let's pick at his past.

The debates told me what I needed to know and to see. The demeanor of each stood out on how they handle leadership and decision making. Romney was to the point and defended his positions and talked issues. O spent more time with horn blowing rhetoric and attacking Romney rather than taking positive stance on his abysmal record. It wouldn't work in a board room or in a room full of world leaders, so why would we want it to be the modus operandi of the POTUS? Romney will at the very least bring respect from the world back to the WH.

Sadly we see so many replies that lack any kind of content towards the OP and just keep batting their displeasure with the system around and not realizing this attitude is what allowed the system to become what it's become. Voting against someone or for a 3rd party to prove a point does nothing to solve an immediate need. It will get us a 3rd party and maybe even a 4th after the nation goes completely belly up in a disastrous manner. We need to make the best decision to be made now, not after armagednon

I lived in Michigan as a kid and George Romney was the Gov then. He was a very good Gov and even made a respectable run at Pres one year. Since he left MI, that state has deteriorated into a Democratic led social and economic disaster. MI from the time of Geo Romney to present is a prime example of where this nation is headed. This fact alone is one of the main reasons I believe in Mitt Romney. I see a helluva a lot of his father in him and George Romney was both a stellar businessman and a stellar Governor of the state of MI. This nation will make a huge mistake if they do not understand the man Mitt Romney is and how he is the far and away wisest choice we can make to turn this nation around and restore it to it's former splendor.

And what makes the decision for Romney even easier, is we have already seen what the first 4 years of O's plan has brought. We can learn from the past of both these men and to me it's a clear and concise choice. We will never find the perfect candidate, but to me, Mitt Romney is and has been the best choice for the last 5 years. Let's not miss the train this time around, the nation cannot afford to.

 

[Faceaz]

Would a 18 Trillion $ debt after the next 4 years be considered a failure?-No
Would a 8% Unemployment after the next 4 years be a failure?-Yes

What are your expectations if Romney is elected, numbers wise.

 

[DaveH]

What are your expectations if Romney is elected, numbers wise.

I dont believe Romney is superman or has a magic wand. The trouble we are in is going to take way more than 4 years to get out of. so with that said, my measurement of Romney being successful would simply be a radical change in course. That means, less people on welfare, stop growing the debt and maybe even begining to reduce it. eliminate or transform Obama-care without destroying the current system. Restore faith in the american business community to inspire investment and expansion of business. these are some of the things I can come up with off the top of my head. I really cant say X-number unemployment.......I dont believe the numbesr being reported currently are accurate anyway.

It took much longer then the last four years to get into the position we are in, so i dont think Romney can come marching in and have everthing whipped into shape over night. but when you are in a hole, the first thing you do is stop digging. O just trippled down on spending and it didnt fix much of anything. i challengne anyone here to say they are better off than four years ago.

If Romney falls short, than in four years, we find someone else. I mean O said it....."if I dont have this economy fixed in 3 years, this will be a one term deal". so be it, the same for Romney.

and i still believe Romney will win.

 

[djunkie]

Where have you been, it's always the last guys fault.... they'll blame Obama for laying such a fucked up foundation for him and then if a democrat gets back in he'll blame romney, wash, rinse, repeat. It's american politics at it's finest, and the hard core party liners will follow the rhetoric.

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[Old Texan]

I dont believe Romney is superman or has a magic wand. The trouble we are in is going to take way more than 4 years to get out of. so with that said, my measurement of Romney being successful would simply be a radical change in course. That means, less people on welfare, stop growing the debt and maybe even begining to reduce it. eliminate or transform Obama-care without destroying the current system. Restore faith in the american business community to inspire investment and expansion of business. these are some of the things I can come up with off the top of my head. I really cant say X-number unemployment.......I dont believe the numbesr being reported currently are accurate anyway.

It took much longer then the last four years to get into the position we are in, so i dont think Romney can come marching in and have everthing whipped into shape over night. but when you are in a hole, the first thing you do is stop digging. O just trippled down on spending and it didnt fix much of anything. i challengne anyone here to say they are better off than four years ago.

If Romney falls short, than in four years, we find someone else. I mean O said it....."if I dont have this economy fixed in 3 years, this will be a one term deal". so be it, the same for Romney.

and i still believe Romney will win.

Totally agree....I think Romney will also eliminate much of the growing bureaucracy harming private business. No one ever really knows what the rules are when it comes to project planning.

O stood on his soapbox from day one and said he'd see that anyone who tried to advance coal for power would be bankrupted. And he's carried through on that promise while subsidizing and literally paying off solar provider campaign donors that have gone belly up. Complete waste and in it's own right a true indicator of how O thinks and works against the nation's interests. Romney will not do these types of deals.

I also firmly believe Romney will not circumvent Congress as O has done.

 

[460]

Wasn't bush a business man like Romney? Where did that get us?

And tex, thanks for thinking so highly of me.

 

[regor]

What are your expectations if Romney is elected, numbers wise.

After 4 years-6.5-7%

The numbers being reported currently are complete and utter bullshit!

The main concern is addressing the runaway debt this nation is piling up and I blame Bush just as much as Obama. They were both in charge of this nation and need to be held accountable for THEIR government's spending. I don't give a shit if Congress was Dem/Rep at the time, THEY were in charge.

 

[65Mandella]

Bush was pretty fiscally sound til the Dems took control of House and Senate in 07'...... Frank/Dodd ( yeah, they are dems, sorry 460) destroyed the housing market and the house of cards started falling from there!!!

 

[was thatguy]

It is fairly easy to list the reasons why Romney is a better choice at this time.
Tex has done just that and I see no reason for me to repeat them.
It is a common theme for O supporters to label all Romney supporters as GW followers, and that is simply not true. For 4 years we have seen failure after failure from the O admin.
These failures are not acknowledged by his supporters because they still see him as trying to deal with the GW mess.
They elected O for all the wrong reasons at the very worse time. A repeat of 08 will exacerbate these mistakes many times over.
Romney has experience and real history of success. O had and still has no experience or history of success.
I can not predict what sort of numbers will come from a Romney admin. I see stalemate for at least 2 years, and lets face it, we are in for a world of economic shit for years to come.
BUT, we do know what we are in for with O, and to me it is a mess that is totally unacceptable.
Those who support him generally have a personal agenda to be gained at the expense of the nation as a whole, and care little about the survival as a republic.
This is what O wants, he freely speaks of leveling the playing field over and over.

This is why the ABO sentiment is so strong.

 

[DaveH]

Wasn't bush a business man like Romney? Where did that get us?

And tex, thanks for thinking so highly of me.

wow, that is beyond narrow minded, and a typical dem party line talking point.

the last time i checked, DNA cloning hasn't been perfected yet. But i guess in your world, since Romney is a registered Republican, he must be Bush, with the identical policies.

I'll be the first to say, that Busch wasnt the greatest President. I'm not ready to throw him under the bus with a democratic controlled house and senate during his time. some here point out how the president has limited powers, yet other seem to think he is in total control.

funny, O's slogan the first time was "HOPE" and "CHANGE", but we got anything but that, just a bunch more of the same. Well this time I'm holding out for REAL change with R.

 

[460]

wow, that is beyond narrow minded, and a typical dem party line talking point.

the last time i checked, DNA cloning hasn't been perfected yet. But i guess in your world, since Romney is a registered Republican, he must be Bush, with the identical policies.

I'll be the first to say, that Busch wasnt the greatest President. I'm not ready to throw him under the bus with a democratic controlled house and senate during his time. some here point out how the president has limited powers, yet other seem to think he is in total control.

funny, O's slogan the first time was "HOPE" and "CHANGE", but we got anything but that, just a bunch more of the same. Well this time I'm holding out for REAL change with R.

It's BUSH

 

[Gelcoater]

I just want to hear it from them. I know it's a long shot, but its a new month.

It's a crying shame THOSE types are so hard core party that they can't open there eyes and see the real truth.

Not everyone is Pro-party.I thought Bush was an ass,I think your buddy is a pro socialist ass.Both are asses,fair enough?

On another note,I always thought Brown was a pro at casting bait around here.Reading your posts of late it's clear that you sir,are a Master Baiter.Well done:thumbsup

 

[djunkie]

Not everyone is Pro-party.I thought Bush was an ass,I think your buddy is a pro socialist ass.Both are asses,fair enough?

On another note,I always thought Brown was a pro at casting bait around here.Reading your posts of late it's clear that you sir,are a Master Baiter.Well done:thumbsup

Only parties I like involve booze and half naked women.

 

[was thatguy]

I used to be a registered Dem.
frankly, GW almost convicted me to go back to the dem party.
As I stated before, it is a common theme for O supporters to label all Romney supporters as GW / GOP worshipers and it is simply not the case.
O has succeeded in one thing for sure. Instilling this mindset along with a level of division (class/ religion/ race/ you name it) previously never seen, at least in my 51 years.

To be honest, I agree that the 2 party system is a trap, and has become a limiting factor in bringing this Republic back from the brink.
That said, at this point in history voting for anyone bit Romney is a clear vote for continuing on this not so subtle road towards minimizing our nation globally, and repressing it domestically towards the same outcome.

How anyone can actually think that O and his posse of felons is doing any good for this Nation as a whole is 100% baffling to me. They either have personal agendas, agree with O's anti- colonialist agenda and want to see us knocked down to size, or simply have no idea what they are supporting.

 

[The Doctor]

Now the question. Hatred of President Obama aside, what are the reasons to vote for Governor Romney? And I don't mean political or ideological reasons, I want to support him on HIS merits but just have not been able to find any... Can anybody explain to me why they think he is a good candidate without using a negative reference to Democrats or our President...??

"Can anybody explain to me why they think he is a good candidate without using a negative reference to Democrats or our President...?? "

http://www.ijreview.com/2012/10/20798-20798/

 

[The Doctor]

What are your expectations if Romney is elected, numbers wise.

Course correction, rather than escalated speed toward the fiscal cliff as your boy has given us and will continue to drive toward.

 

[regor]

How anyone can actually think that O and his posse of felons is doing any good for this Nation as a whole is 100% baffling to me. They either have personal agendas, agree with O's anti- colonialist agenda and want to see us knocked down to size, or simply have no idea what they are supporting.

This is the one thing I can't figure also. You either have to be on the take or a complete idiot, to support this POS.

 

[DaveH]

It's BUSH

wow that was deep. did you think long and hard to come up with that? an intelligent response might take you untill next week so i wont hold my breath.:rolleyes

 

[River Lynchmob]

Where have you been, it's always the last guys fault.... they'll blame Obama for laying such a fucked up foundation for him and then if a democrat gets back in he'll blame romney, wash, rinse, repeat. It's american politics at it's finest, and the hard core party liners will follow the rhetoric.

You might be too young but I never once heard Regan blame Carter for the pile of shit he inherited...not once...he turned shit around and Modale only won one state in '84. I would be willing to put my money where my mouth is that Romney will not blame Obummer for shit. You don't get to be where he was in the business world by blaming others for a companies failures...you get in a fix it or make the tough decission to pull the plug. I am pretty damn sure that's how he will govern. He did so in Mass no reason he won't now. I have no delusions that this will be fixed in 1 year or even 4 years but I am willing to bet the ship will be pointed in the right direction.

If we are worse off I will look at a viable replacement in 4 years...but I will give him a shot. I didn't vote for Obummer last time and was not happy when he won but I let him do his thing hoping that he would be a change...he was not and he's got to go.

 

[Faceaz]

Course correction, rather than escalated speed toward the fiscal cliff as your boy has given us and will continue to drive toward.

Broad strokes is easy... Numbers Wise, does anybody actually have certain expectations? Easy to complain about run-away debt, what number in 4 years would show the results of a correction?

 

[DaveH]

Broad strokes is easy... Numbers Wise, does anybody actually have certain expectations? Easy to complain about run-away debt, what number in 4 years would show the results of a correction?

as are open ended questions with answers that mean different things to different people, or, people hear and think what they WANT to hear.

Assuming Romney wins, what are YOUR expectations? what will make you decide (not campaign rhetoric) if he is successful or not? I believe even if he "walked on water" the haters would see it as "he cant swim".

So again, what does the guy have to do to you O supporters to give him a passing grade after 4 years? Ive already said what i wanted to see.

 

[The Doctor]

Broad strokes is easy... Numbers Wise, does anybody actually have certain expectations? Easy to complain about run-away debt, what number in 4 years would show the results of a correction?

Two things need to be understood:
1 The course we have been on over the past four years has sped up our proximity to the fiscal cliff and our leader is inept and lacking in business sense.
2 Massachusetts was headed in the wrong direction as was the Olympics and Romney was successful at turning them both around fiscally.

Of course, it's easy for a detractor like yourself to question one's ability but you'll have to bury your head in the sand to ignore Romney's fiscal capacity throughout his family, business and government life since all have been financially sound. You'll also have to keep your head buried elsewhere to believe that the next four years will be somehow better with your Kenyan hero at the helm - given the direction he's taken over the first term.

 

[The Doctor]

Numbers Wise, does anybody actually have certain expectations?

I'll give you some numbers - not in dollar figures but far more valuable when considered:
* There are 196 counrties in the world. Currently we provide foreign aid to over 180 of them and most of them hate us. There's an excellent opportunity for savings in giant numbers.
* We have nearly 1000 government agencies in full operation today - less than 100 of which actually serve the needs of the productive Americans that pay taxes. There's another excellent opportunity to combine or completely eliminate unnecessary expenditures. Your hero has expanded government exponentially during his first term and he has plans for 10,000 more IRS agents alone to ENFORCE KenyanKare if/when implemented.
* The amount of taxpayer dollars that were spent on failed stimulus programs, bailouts and campaign contributor paybacks (under the guise of green energy jobs, etc.) was enormous! Our deficit is double what it was when your hero took office. Romney believes in a different direction/method/process to bolster America besides giving taxpayer dollars to friends.
* Our government currently spends Billion$ on grants, programs, studies, etc. that have proven 100% valueless to society. Eliminating such will save us Billion$. Need proof:

 

[Racey]

You might be too young but I never once heard Regan blame Carter for the pile of shit he inherited...not once...he turned shit around and Modale only won one state in '84. I would be willing to put my money where my mouth is that Romney will not blame Obummer for shit. You don't get to be where he was in the business world by blaming others for a companies failures...you get in a fix it or make the tough decission to pull the plug. I am pretty damn sure that's how he will govern. He did so in Mass no reason he won't now. I have no delusions that this will be fixed in 1 year or even 4 years but I am willing to bet the ship will be pointed in the right direction.

If we are worse off I will look at a viable replacement in 4 years...but I will give him a shot. I didn't vote for Obummer last time and was not happy when he won but I let him do his thing hoping that he would be a change...he was not and he's got to go.

I wasn't talking about Romney himself blaming Obama so much, as all the die hard supporters of his, and pundits will, when nothing really changes. We didn't carry any of the dire debt burdens back when Reagan took over from cart that we do today, and as shit gets drastically worse, and harder to deal with, i see it devolving into a continual blame game about whatever party was last in charge. I can't say i remember Obama ever explicitly saying "Bush screwed it all up", although i could be wrong, it's been more like "The previous administration screwed this all up", "The Previous Administration xxxxxxxxxxxxx" is something we'll all be hearing a lot of in the future, this election, and next, etc.....

 

[was thatguy]

Broad strokes is easy... Numbers Wise, does anybody actually have certain expectations? Easy to complain about run-away debt, what number in 4 years would show the results of a correction?

Well, it's easy. Just extrapolate the last 4 years of failure.
Whatever number you come up with, subtract one dollar.
That is actually giving a shitload of leeway to O, because it leaves out any compound of debt or interest, as well as leaves out any lame duck moves he has planned.
(Ill have more flexibility after the election....)

Basically, you are outside your mind and removed from reality if you think 4 more years of O is a good thing.

 

[squeezer]

Wow...

Four pages of replies and I have yet to see one document-able reason that compels me to vote for Romney of President Obama?
Lots of fox news derived opinions but nothing that supports his competence with real numbers and real results.

This is very very sad to say the least.

 

[Faceaz]

Well, it's easy. Just extrapolate the last 4 years of failure.
Whatever number you come up with, subtract one dollar.
That is actually giving a shitload of leeway to O, because it leaves out any compound of debt or interest, as well as leaves out any lame duck moves he has planned.
(Ill have more flexibility after the election....)

Basically, you are outside your mind and removed from reality if you think 4 more years of O is a good thing.

Knew the answer before I asked.

 

[was thatguy]

Knew the answer before I asked.

The extrapolation part or the your crazy part??

 

[The Doctor]

Wow...

Four pages of replies and I have yet to see one document-able reason that compels me to vote for Romney of President Obama?
Lots of fox news derived opinions but nothing that supports his competence with real numbers and real results.

This is very very sad to say the least.

Sufficient facts have been placed before you. Since you are standing in the corner with your fingers in your ears singing La la la la la la, it will be impossible to get through. Since you refuse to accept our offerings, why not review both candidate's records in office. Did they add to the problems or fix them. That alone, should suffice.

 

[squeezer]

Sufficient facts have been placed before you. Since you are standing in the corner with your fingers in your ears singing La la la la la la, it will be impossible to get through. Since you refuse to accept our offerings, why not review both candidate's records in office. Did they add to the problems or fix them. That alone, should suffice.

Im an Engineer by training, a business man by choice, and a skeptic by nature. Make enough $$$ to benefit from tax breaks well above the $250K mark and have done a lot of reading. Nobody has entered this discussion with a verifiable fact supporting Romney. By my math his budget plan does not add up, by my observation he has held both sides of almost every position in the last year or less. His business success is questionable in nature by my standards... I am not an Obama fan and am looking for a hard reason to like Romney... Disliking Obama is not enough for me to take a risk on this guy.

Everybody is freaked out about the deficit... I am not going to trivialize it but if somebody is offering you $$$ at below 1% (the bond rate) and you are guaranteed an almost 4% return (the inflation rate). I say borrow every dollar you can and pile it into infrastructure, education, and whatever else we know makes us more competitive. The long game here is not going to be won by short term thinking.

And for some perspective i am way better off now than 4 years ago, salary is up, business is up, have bought 4 more rentals at fire sale prices (and low interest rates), my portfolio is more than double what it was 4 years ago... hell my wife even says Im taller and better looking!!!

I am mailing in my ballot tomorrow... Anybody have a verifiable fact based argument that can help with my decision?

 

[The Doctor]

So . . .


. . . you reviewed the record in office of both candidates? You saw that one doubled the entire national deficit with nothing to show where the other inherited a very large deficit in his state and left office with a surplus and balanced budget. Even an engineer should understand how that happened. Unless, of course, you were the engineer who designed this masterpiece.

 

[squeezer]

This record... And by definition I am ignoring Obama negatives for this discussion... (my thread my vote my rules)



FACT CHECK: Romney?s Economic Record As Governor Was One Of Failure

August 30, 2012

FACT CHECK: Romney?s Economic Record As Governor Was One Of Failure

Despite the polished videos and speeches that we?ll hear tonight, the truth is that Mitt Romney?s economic record as Governor was one of failure. Under Romney, Massachusetts was 47th out of 50 in job creation and 1st in per capita debt. And he did it all while raising taxes and fees on middle class families and businesses by $750 million a year, leaving the state with a $1 billion budget gap, and outsourcing state jobs to India.

UNDER ROMNEY MASSACHUSETTS RANKED 47TH OUT OF 50 IN JOB GROWTH

Wall Street Journal: ?The Most Powerful Statistic May Be That Under Mr. Romney, Massachusetts Was 47th Out Of 50 States In Job Creation, Down From 36th When He Took Office.? [Wall Street Journal, 5/31/12]

USA Today Fact Check: Under Romney, Massachusetts Net Job Growth That Was ?Far Slower? Than The National Average And Ranked 47th In Job Growth Over The Entirety Of Romney?s Term. ?Unlike Obama, Romney took office during an economic uptick. Massachusetts had a net job growth of 1.4 percent under Romney. However, that was far slower growth than the national average of 5.3%. As Romney's opponents have frequently, and correctly, noted, Massachusetts ranked 47th in job growth over the entirety of Romney's term. The only states that did worse: Louisiana, Michigan and Ohio.? [Fact Check, USA Today, 1/5/12]

ROMNEY RAISED TAXES AND FEES BY $750 MILLION ANNUALLY ON MASSACHUSETTS' MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES AND BUSINESSES

Washington Post Fact Checker: ?The Campaign Claims Romney Balanced The Massachusetts Budget Without Raising Taxes, But He Closed Tax Loopholes And Raised Fees To The Tune Of $750 Million Per Year.? [Washington Post, Fact Checker, 6/12/12]

National Conference of State Legislatures: Massachusetts Imposed More Fee Hikes Than Any Other State in the Nation In 2003. [Congress Daily, 8/28/03]

Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation: Fee And Tax Increases In Romney?s First Budget ?Will Surely Hit Taxpayers? Pocketbooks As Hard As Any Tax Increase And, Many Would Argue, Less Fairly As Well.? [Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation 8/11/2003]

Cato Institute On Romney?s Claims He Stood By A No-New-Taxes Pledge As Governor: ?Mostly A Myth.? [Cato Institute?s Fiscal Policy Report Card on America?s Governors: 2006, 10/24/06]

BY THE END OF ROMNEY?S TERM MASSACHUSETTS RANKED FIRST IN THE NATION FOR HIGHEST PER CAPITA DEBT AND LEFT WITH A BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET GAP

The Republican Headline: ?Mass. Tops U.S. As Debtor State.? [The Republican, 2/3/07]

The Tax Foundation Listed Massachusetts As Ranked With Highest State Debt Per Capita At The End Of Fiscal Year 2007. The Tax Foundation listed Massachusetts debt per capita as $10,546 at the end of fiscal year 2007. It was first in the nation, while Alaska was second. [Tax Foundation, Facts & Figures, 2009]

New York Times: Romney Made The Economy A Central Part Of His 2008 Campaign But ?Unemployment Is Still Relatively High? In Massachusetts And Romney Left A $1.3 Billion Budget Gap. ?As Mr. Romney seeks the Republican presidential nomination, his fiscal and economic achievements are central elements of his campaign. His first television commercial calls him ?the Republican governor who turned around a Democratic state. ? But some in Massachusetts question how healthy the state?s economic and fiscal condition actually is. Unemployment is still relatively high, and the new governor, Deval L. Patrick, a Democrat, says he is grappling with a budget gap of $1.3 billion.? [New York Times, 3/16/07]

 

[squeezer]

BTW Engineers don't design bathrooms...