A Question...?

[squeezer]

A few more comments on the debt "monster" we are all being told is our biggest enemy.


Fully two-thirds of the national debt is owed to the U.S. government, American investors and future retirees, through the Social Security Trust Fund and pension plans for civil service workers and military personnel. China, it turns out, holds less than 8 percent of the money our government has borrowed over the years.

?It is true that China is the largest foreign owner of our debt,? said Josh Gordon, policy director of the Concord Coalition, a Virginia-based nonprofit that advocates getting the nation?s debt under control. ?But the vast majority of our debt is held by us.?

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...trillion-to-hint-it-isnt-china/#ixzz2B2IZ3Y6M

 

[squeezer]

OK the man is batshit crazy....

[video=youtube;TxMD02zU9SE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxMD02zU9SE[/video]

 

[The Doctor]

So, you should've begun the thread with a statement like:
I believe everything bad about Romney and nothing good about Romney, now - tell me about him . . .

 

[squeezer]

So, you should've begun the thread with a statement like:
I believe everything bad about Romney and nothing good about Romney, now - tell me about him . . .

And this is a hard fact supporting Romney how?


6 pages and nobody can back the man up with a verifiable hard #... We have some opinions which are valid, some assumptions which are not some crap thats from a parallel universe but all i can be 100% certain of from the answers here is this is an anti President Obama choice not a pro gov Romney choice. Valid of course but not a merit based reason lke I have been looking for.

 

[Old Texan]

And this is a hard fact supporting Romney how?


6 pages and nobody can back the man up with a verifiable hard #... We have some opinions which are valid, some assumptions which are not some crap thats from a parallel universe but all i can be 100% certain of from the answers here is this is an anti President Obama choice not a pro gov Romney choice. Valid of course but not a merit based reason lke I have been looking for.

I say you should go ahead an vote for O. You feel he's done right by you and it will continue regardless of the price paid by those not so fortunate due to his decisions and policies. Outstanding that you've found a way to feed off the last four years of recession and made a more comfortable nest for yourself.

The bulk of the nation however has not been so fortunate and great numbers of folks who thought O would be the answer have realized their error in judgement and this time around would vote for Clarabelle the Clown rather than give O another 4 years, an untethered 4 years where he can really dig in and embed his agenda.

Words and articles playing around with numbers too often do not show a clear picture of the circumstances that created those numbers but I realize as an engineer you need "cold hard numbers" of some sort to fit your formula. Personally I look at this from a more general point of view. One showing, to me anyway, under the current admin we are heading down a path that will bring devastation to the USA and it's society for years to come. A devastation that may not ever allow the US to be the great nation of opportunity it has been since inception.

Romney may not meet the specific data you require, but he more than meets the ethical and moral points a guy like me requires. Romney has made his mark financially and has a solid well rounded family as an example of his strong inner self. In O I've seen nothing but an arrogant self centered childish narcissist who is impatient with the system he's inherited and will use any means possible to put his personal agenda in place. A guy with a chip on his shoulder and looking to make someone pay for what he personally feels wrong with the world up to this point in his life. O does not appear to care about the US as a whole but instead chooses to take care of those who go along with his views. He's shown an unwillingness to work with anyone in the Republican Party in Congress or in individual states unless they basically kiss his skinny rear and go with his wishes. He actually shows that same attitude within his party and in the private sector. The manchild who would be king if you will......

But O has apparently met your criteria in the fact you have personally prospered. Never mind the fact O's performance statistically grades out worse as POTUS than Romney's did as Gov of MA.

I have analyzed both men's history and where they have come from. As stated in an earlier post, I've seen what the Romney family has accomplished and the manner in which it was accomplished. Those attributes are what I view as the correct way to conduct both business and life.

O on the other hand comes for a somewhat mysterious world that has been shielded from general view in my opinion, to hide shortcomings, misdeeds, and questionable associations with both radical interest groups and outright thieves and felons. He to me has tarnished the office he was elected to and frequently lied to the nation to cover himself and to further his agenda. No one thing about this man is without some cloud of doubt and he is completely unwilling to give a straight answer to clarify any point put before him.

So you vote your conscience and I'll vote mine. I hope whatever the outcome, the nation survives our decision.

 

[Racey]

Gary Johnson 2012 :thumbsup

 

[squeezer]

I say you should go ahead an vote for O. You feel he's done right by you and it will continue regardless of the price paid by those not so fortunate due to his decisions and policies. Outstanding that you've found a way to feed off the last four years of recession and made a more comfortable nest for yourself.

The bulk of the nation however has not been so fortunate and great numbers of folks who thought O would be the answer have realized their error in judgement and this time around would vote for Clarabelle the Clown rather than give O another 4 years, an untethered 4 years where he can really dig in and embed his agenda.

Words and articles playing around with numbers too often do not show a clear picture of the circumstances that created those numbers but I realize as an engineer you need "cold hard numbers" of some sort to fit your formula. Personally I look at this from a more general point of view. One showing, to me anyway, under the current admin we are heading down a path that will bring devastation to the USA and it's society for years to come. A devastation that may not ever allow the US to be the great nation of opportunity it has been since inception.

Romney may not meet the specific data you require, but he more than meets the ethical and moral points a guy like me requires. Romney has made his mark financially and has a solid well rounded family as an example of his strong inner self. In O I've seen nothing but an arrogant self centered childish narcissist who is impatient with the system he's inherited and will use any means possible to put his personal agenda in place. A guy with a chip on his shoulder and looking to make someone pay for what he personally feels wrong with the world up to this point in his life. O does not appear to care about the US as a whole but instead chooses to take care of those who go along with his views. He's shown an unwillingness to work with anyone in the Republican Party in Congress or in individual states unless they basically kiss his skinny rear and go with his wishes. He actually shows that same attitude within his party and in the private sector. The manchild who would be king if you will......

But O has apparently met your criteria in the fact you have personally prospered. Never mind the fact O's performance statistically grades out worse as POTUS than Romney's did as Gov of MA.

I have analyzed both men's history and where they have come from. As stated in an earlier post, I've seen what the Romney family has accomplished and the manner in which it was accomplished. Those attributes are what I view as the correct way to conduct both business and life.

O on the other hand comes for a somewhat mysterious world that has been shielded from general view in my opinion, to hide shortcomings, misdeeds, and questionable associations with both radical interest groups and outright thieves and felons. He to me has tarnished the office he was elected to and frequently lied to the nation to cover himself and to further his agenda. No one thing about this man is without some cloud of doubt and he is completely unwilling to give a straight answer to clarify any point put before him.

So you vote your conscience and I'll vote mine. I hope whatever the outcome, the nation survives our decision.

A well written and heartfelt post that I thank you for... It does not however contain one shred of verifiable evidence as to why Romney is a good choice. I have suspected all along that this election was going to be more about getting rid of the black guy than anything else i am just surprised nobody has actually found a way to better mask it.

As far as the economy goes, the stock market is at or near an all time high (not adjusted for inflation so thats a bit of a false number) corporate profits are at an all time high, interest rates are at an all time low. productivity per man hour is at an all time high (The real reason unemployment is so slow to react.) Our GDP is at an all time high (again not inflation adjusted...) Private sector job growth is up. Public sector job growth and housing are the weak spots. Public sector employment can be debated as good or bad but historically this country has dug out of recessions by taking on major capitol projects. the housing bubble was just that, a bubble. Anyone who is waiting for that to recover doesn't understand what a bubble is.

I try to make fact based informed decisions, character is a judgement call. My judgement call on Romney is that he will say or do anyting to get elected. He had the chance to gain my respect when the rape comments started spewing out of the far right. Any man worth his deaconship would have flat out shut down any affiliation with the pea brain who claims rape is gods will. The Romney camp let them run adds endorsing that asshole.
That is not a gray nuanced position. Its just fucking wrong and any man who has a wife, mother or daughter should have the balls to say so politics be damned.

So after all is said and done how many of us are willing to admit the only real qualification Romney has that cant be disputed is the color of his skin... I'll admit it, don't like it, and hate that about myself but in the absence of anything less compelling there you go.

 

[prosthogod]

Tell me what Nobama brought to the table besides the color of his skin 4 yrs ago? At least Romney was a Governor and has business experience, among other attributes.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Thank you for typing this out, saved me from doing it. Now I can get to work instead.

OP, go ahead an vote for bob, everything will be fine for you.

Thanks.

Brian

I say you should go ahead an vote for O. You feel he's done right by you and it will continue regardless of the price paid by those not so fortunate due to his decisions and policies. Outstanding that you've found a way to feed off the last four years of recession and made a more comfortable nest for yourself.

The bulk of the nation however has not been so fortunate and great numbers of folks who thought O would be the answer have realized their error in judgement and this time around would vote for Clarabelle the Clown rather than give O another 4 years, an untethered 4 years where he can really dig in and embed his agenda.

Words and articles playing around with numbers too often do not show a clear picture of the circumstances that created those numbers but I realize as an engineer you need "cold hard numbers" of some sort to fit your formula. Personally I look at this from a more general point of view. One showing, to me anyway, under the current admin we are heading down a path that will bring devastation to the USA and it's society for years to come. A devastation that may not ever allow the US to be the great nation of opportunity it has been since inception.

Romney may not meet the specific data you require, but he more than meets the ethical and moral points a guy like me requires. Romney has made his mark financially and has a solid well rounded family as an example of his strong inner self. In O I've seen nothing but an arrogant self centered childish narcissist who is impatient with the system he's inherited and will use any means possible to put his personal agenda in place. A guy with a chip on his shoulder and looking to make someone pay for what he personally feels wrong with the world up to this point in his life. O does not appear to care about the US as a whole but instead chooses to take care of those who go along with his views. He's shown an unwillingness to work with anyone in the Republican Party in Congress or in individual states unless they basically kiss his skinny rear and go with his wishes. He actually shows that same attitude within his party and in the private sector. The manchild who would be king if you will......

But O has apparently met your criteria in the fact you have personally prospered. Never mind the fact O's performance statistically grades out worse as POTUS than Romney's did as Gov of MA.

I have analyzed both men's history and where they have come from. As stated in an earlier post, I've seen what the Romney family has accomplished and the manner in which it was accomplished. Those attributes are what I view as the correct way to conduct both business and life.

O on the other hand comes for a somewhat mysterious world that has been shielded from general view in my opinion, to hide shortcomings, misdeeds, and questionable associations with both radical interest groups and outright thieves and felons. He to me has tarnished the office he was elected to and frequently lied to the nation to cover himself and to further his agenda. No one thing about this man is without some cloud of doubt and he is completely unwilling to give a straight answer to clarify any point put before him.

So you vote your conscience and I'll vote mine. I hope whatever the outcome, the nation survives our decision.

 

[wsuwrhr]

A well written and heartfelt post that I thank you for... It does not however contain one shred of verifiable evidence as to why Romney is a good choice. I have suspected all along that this election was going to be more about getting rid of the black guy than anything else i am just surprised nobody has actually found a way to better mask it.

As far as the economy goes, the stock market is at or near an all time high (not adjusted for inflation so thats a bit of a false number) corporate profits are at an all time high, interest rates are at an all time low. productivity per man hour is at an all time high (The real reason unemployment is so slow to react.) Our GDP is at an all time high (again not inflation adjusted...) Private sector job growth is up. Public sector job growth and housing are the weak spots. Public sector employment can be debated as good or bad but historically this country has dug out of recessions by taking on major capitol projects. the housing bubble was just that, a bubble. Anyone who is waiting for that to recover doesn't understand what a bubble is.

I try to make fact based informed decisions, character is a judgement call. My judgement call on Romney is that he will say or do anyting to get elected. He had the chance to gain my respect when the rape comments started spewing out of the far right. Any man worth his deaconship would have flat out shut down any affiliation with the pea brain who claims rape is gods will. The Romney camp let them run adds endorsing that asshole.
That is not a gray nuanced position. Its just fucking wrong and any man who has a wife, mother or daughter should have the balls to say so politics be damned.

So after all is said and done how many of us are willing to admit the only real qualification Romney has that cant be disputed is the color of his skin... I'll admit it, don't like it, and hate that about myself but in the absence of anything less compelling there you go.

Tell me what Nobama brought to the table besides the color of his skin 4 yrs ago? At least Romney was a Governor and has business experience, among other attributes.

That is such horseshit. What an easy comeback.

I would have voted for Herman Cain year after year if he stayed in the race, yet another businessman with good ideas, who happens to be black.

Plenty others vote for bob BECAUSE he is black, and that seems to be perfectly fine ey?

I've met plenty of engineers that couldn't find a way out of a paperbag with a blowtorch. Sad.

Thanks for enlightening me.

Porkland OR with 31 posts? I'm saying...smells like a softer, possibly coached, TB or Ram alter ego.

Brian

 

[wsuwrhr]

Yea, I'd say so.


Brian

 

[was thatguy]

I don't think it is ram. He can't go 6 pages, or even 6 posts, without an insult.

Here are a couple things I just saw Romney say.

1) "I will not blame my predecessor".

2) " I will increase drilling permits on Federal lands on day 1"

3) " I will start a review of coal production to ID And increase clean coal production"

4) " I will begin a review and repair of obamacare to fix the cost issues involved" (paraphrase)

Just a partial list.

Frankly, squeezer, if it has come down to the last day and you haven't decided I say vote for O.
Basically you haven't put any thought into it anyway and a thoughtless vote can only be for O.

 

[Racey]

As far as the economy goes, the stock market is at or near an all time high (not adjusted for inflation so thats a bit of a false number)

The stock/futures markets are at an all time high because all other options for easy capital investment (Putting your money somewhere for someone else to use, not using it yourself) have been squashed and manipulated by the central policies of holding interest rates at close to 0%, this leads to a flood of capital to the last places available, the Dow is not at 13,000 because all these companies have experience massive growth, it's at 13,000 because there has been a massive spike in the demand for the stock itself, not the products or services that actually lead to strong growth.

corporate profits are at an all time high

On paper they are, but in reality they aren't, Normally profits are immediately re-invested into equipment and expansion, and written off, and no longer show up as profits. What companies are doing now is just holding on to any liquid capital they have earned because they are uncertain of the future landscape, and are not willing to invest it in the expansion/upgrade of business. In fact if you look at it from a different angle what we are seeing is these companies think it's a better investment to take the profits and pay taxes on them now, than expand the business.

interest rates are at an all time low.

For no other reason than by decree, not by natural forces. It's low because of QE and 'stimulative' polices, it is an attempt to drive consumption, but that has fizzled out, and what we need is more savings and investment, less borrowing and consumption. This is a negative attribute for our current situation.

productivity per man hour is at an all time high (The real reason unemployment is so slow to react.)

This should never be falling with the advancement of technology, and the increases in efficiency that come with it

Our GDP is at an all time high (again not inflation adjusted...) Private sector job growth is up.

GDP is at and all time high because we count all government spending as adding to GDP, government spending is at an all time high.
Private sector job growth has barely kept up with the natural increase in the size of the labor pool as more entering 'working age' than people enter 'retirement age', in other words population growth. If memory serves me correctly I believe it's somwhere around 100,000 people per month, i had this discussion a while back somewhere on the boards here. That would be about 4.8 Million people since the president took office, that is about what the economy has added in jobs, and that's why the unemployment numbers haven't changed much.

Public sector job growth and housing are the weak spots. Public sector employment can be debated as good or bad but historically this country has dug out of recessions by taking on major capitol projects. the housing bubble was just that, a bubble. Anyone who is waiting for that to recover doesn't understand what a bubble is.

It is a complete fallacy that we got out of the depression by public works projects, it caused the depression to last over 12 years, 15 if you count the war years, 1929-1945. All that debt and spending mis-allocated precious capital and only prolonged the depression. Think about that, 12 years of total depression, you think it would have lasted longer otherwise? I would recommend reading Rothbard's America's Great Depression, there are also several essays available on Mises.org explaining the myths surrounding the great depression. It was government intervention that first caused the magnitude of the depression, and subsequently extended it for well over a decade.


Other than that, I completely agree that this election's Republican support is far more about voting Obama out, than voting Romney in. I've yet to hear anyone give quantifiable reasons as to why Romney is great, it's always "we simply can't take 4 more years of Obama".

 

[squeezer]

Seven pages and no hard evidence...

Personal attacks in a thread like this are pretty pointless. Most if not all of us here share a common interest and lifestyle, couldn't tell the difference in our voting habits unless asked and would all have a great time sharing a beer and swapping lies about props.

I started this thread because I did not and still do not understand the almost universal support of Romney on this board. I held him in a neutral light up until a few days ago when I started my research in earnest on how to vote. Really taking a look at the man cast a different light. I wanted to filter that light through the lens of a group of people I would consider my peers (You Guys). The more I learn the more I am certain that very few people really like Ronmey, they do however universally hate president Obama. The reasons for that are as varied as the membership here but a lot of those reasons are pretty hollow.

The great thing about it is come Tuesday (OK maybe December after the lawsuits and fraud is figured out)we can all get back to our daily lives. our system works because of differences and dialog not in spite of it.


Cheers

Chris

 

[The Doctor]

The OP is as honest about wanting solid information about Romney as the Kenyan is about bringing out the honest truth about Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Solyndra, Abound Solar, George Kaiser, Pat Stryker, real unemployment, The Warn act, deficit spending or a hundred other vital concerns to America.

 

[thetub]

The stock/futures markets are at an all time high because all other options for easy capital investment (Putting your money somewhere for someone else to use, not using it yourself) have been squashed and manipulated by the central policies of holding interest rates at close to 0%, this leads to a flood of capital to the last places available, the Dow is not at 13,000 because all these companies have experience massive growth, it's at 13,000 because there has been a massive spike in the demand for the stock itself, not the products or services that actually lead to strong growth.


On paper they are, but in reality they aren't, Normally profits are immediately re-invested into equipment and expansion, and written off, and no longer show up as profits. What companies are doing now is just holding on to any liquid capital they have earned because they are uncertain of the future landscape, and are not willing to invest it in the expansion/upgrade of business. In fact if you look at it from a different angle what we are seeing is these companies think it's a better investment to take the profits and pay taxes on them now, than expand the business.



For no other reason than by decree, not by natural forces. It's low because of QE and 'stimulative' polices, it is an attempt to drive consumption, but that has fizzled out, and what we need is more savings and investment, less borrowing and consumption. This is a negative attribute for our current situation.



This should never be falling with the advancement of technology, and the increases in efficiency that come with it


GDP is at and all time high because we count all government spending as adding to GDP, government spending is at an all time high.
Private sector job growth has barely kept up with the natural increase in the size of the labor pool as more entering 'working age' than people enter 'retirement age', in other words population growth. If memory serves me correctly I believe it's somwhere around 100,000 people per month, i had this discussion a while back somewhere on the boards here. That would be about 4.8 Million people since the president took office, that is about what the economy has added in jobs, and that's why the unemployment numbers haven't changed much.



It is a complete fallacy that we got out of the depression by public works projects, it caused the depression to last over 12 years, 15 if you count the war years, 1929-1945. All that debt and spending mis-allocated precious capital and only prolonged the depression. Think about that, 12 years of total depression, you think it would have lasted longer otherwise? I would recommend reading Rothbard's America's Great Depression, there are also several essays available on Mises.org explaining the myths surrounding the great depression. It was government intervention that first caused the magnitude of the depression, and subsequently extended it for well over a decade.


Other than that, I completely agree that this election's Republican support is far more about voting Obama out, than voting Romney in. I've yet to hear anyone give quantifiable reasons as to why Romney is great, it's always "we simply can't take 4 more years of Obama".

this is what scares me. We are now a land of a new business called GOVERNMENT, kinda smell like socialism?

we let manufacturing jobs and plants go overseas the last 25 years and now are seeing the tax revenue hole it has left.

To make up for this lost revenue GOVERNMENT at local,state and federal levels are gonna just keep raising taxes and fees on EVERYONE . This is our new world.
"
get ready to get SQUEEZED , SQUEEZER, because they want "your" I mean "their" money.

The difference is O accepts and embraces this new way, while I hope Romney does not..

 

[Paul65k]

Seven pages and no hard evidence...

Personal attacks in a thread like this are pretty pointless. Most if not all of us here share a common interest and lifestyle, couldn't tell the difference in our voting habits unless asked and would all have a great time sharing a beer and swapping lies about props.

I started this thread because I did not and still do not understand the almost universal support of Romney on this board. I held him in a neutral light up until a few days ago when I started my research in earnest on how to vote. Really taking a look at the man cast a different light. I wanted to filter that light through the lens of a group of people I would consider my peers (You Guys). The more I learn the more I am certain that very few people really like Ronmey, they do however universally hate president Obama. The reasons for that are as varied as the membership here but a lot of those reasons are pretty hollow.

The great thing about it is come Tuesday (OK maybe December after the lawsuits and fraud is figured out)we can all get back to our daily lives. our system works because of differences and dialog not in spite of it.


Cheers

Chris

Chris....to be candid with you.....any personal attacks toward you only started after you said we were all out to get the "Black Guy" out of office. I take personal offense to that and will no longer participate in ANY thread you participate in until such time as you apologize to us in masse.

Tyro has fun with this sometimes and people who call themselves personal friends (I am not one of those yet but hope to be someday) can have all the fun with this shit that they want......but you have not earned that right (certainly not with me) and I think you owe us all an apology:mad2::bsflag:

 

[wsuwrhr]

Chris....to be candid with you.....any personal attacks toward you only started after you said we were all out to get the "Black Guy" out of office. I take personal offense to that and will no longer participate in ANY thread you participate in until such time as you apologize to us in masse.

Tyro has fun with this sometimes and people who call themselves personal friends (I am not one of those yet but hope to be someday) can have all the fun with this shit that they want......but you have not earned that right (certainly not with me) and I think you owe us all an apology:mad2::bsflag:

Agreed. That scenario has been played out more than "It is all Bush's fault"

Brian

 

[ram78d10]

I don't think it is ram. He can't go 6 pages, or even 6 posts, without an insult.

Hey Tommy, just to clarify, when I call you a dumb fuck, it isn't an insult, it's reality.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Hey Tommy, just to clarify, when I call you a dumb fuck, it isn't an insult, it's reality.

Surprises me, the things said, sometimes.

My impression of "that guy" in a bar setting, and ram in the same, no need to back either up. Belly up to the bar and order a round and turn the barstool away from the bar and watch.

 

[530RL]

So . . .


. . . you reviewed the record in office of both candidates? You saw that one doubled the entire national deficit with nothing to show where the other inherited a very large deficit in his state and left office with a surplus and balanced budget.

With respect to debt, in the first 4 years of Obama as president, national debt increased roughly 60% from 10 to 16 trillion. The CBO has estimated that his proposed future budgets will result in a doubling of debt by the end of his second term is he gets one to approximately 20.5 trillion. The President in office when the national debt increased the most, in term of percentages, was Ronald Reagan where the national debt tripled. The President in office when the national debt increased the least, in terms of percentages, was Bill Clinton.

You guys can figure out who gets credit or blame and what the actual reasons are, but those are the actual numbers.

 

[ram78d10]

Surprises me, the things said, sometimes.

Would you prefer I lied to the guy? I just couldn't do that in good conscience.

My impression of "that guy" in a bar setting, and ram in the same, no need to back either up. Belly up to the bar and order a round and turn the barstool away from the bar and watch.

It would be fun, wouldn't it?

 

[wsuwrhr]

It would be fun, wouldn't it?

No doubt. I have known other roughnecks.

 

[was thatguy]

Hey Tommy, just to clarify, when I call you a dumb fuck, it isn't an insult, it's reality.

Correction. Ram can't go one post without an insult.

 

[ram78d10]

Correction. Ram can't go one post without an insult.

You're kind of sensitive for a roughneck, aren't you?:TinkerBell:

 

[wsuwrhr]

Correction. Ram can't go one post without an insult.

Which is why I say...coached.

 

[was thatguy]

Surprises me, the things said, sometimes.

My impression of "that guy" in a bar setting, and ram in the same, no need to back either up. Belly up to the bar and order a round and turn the barstool away from the bar and watch.

Well, Seeing as ram has no money, he may actually mind his manners since I would be the one paying for his German beer he is so fond of.

 

[was thatguy]

You're kind of sensitive for a roughneck, aren't you?:TinkerBell:

We are all pretty sensitive guys.

 

[elcajones]

OK it is no surprise that we do not have many members that are fans of President Obama. Get it Got It Good

Now the question. Hatred of President Obama aside, what are the reasons to vote for Governor Romney? And I don't mean political or ideological reasons, I want to support him on HIS merits but just have not been able to find any... Can anybody explain to me why they think he is a good candidate without using a negative reference to Democrats or our President...??

All the information out there about Mit, and his life story, and experience, you still cannot find a reason to support him? I think you already have made up your mind. So stop the BS and tell us why you'll continue to support your failed leader. What's your agenda?

The race card is an easy strawman. But race doesn't matter for me, and I'd gladly switch parties for a more qualified candidate. But the truth is for the majority of BO's term he had control of the House and Senate, and still couldn't fulfill even half of his promises.

Oh, and let's not forget..WHEN AMERICANS DIED, HE LIED.

 

[wsuwrhr]

All the information out there about Mit, and his life story, and experience, you still cannot find a reason to support him? I think you already have made up your mind. So stop the BS and tell us why you'll continue to support your failed leader. What's your agenda?

Thank you, Pretty much what I thought as well.

 

[Old Texan]

A well written and heartfelt post that I thank you for... It does not however contain one shred of verifiable evidence as to why Romney is a good choice. I have suspected all along that this election was going to be more about getting rid of the black guy than anything else i am just surprised nobody has actually found a way to better mask it.

As far as the economy goes, the stock market is at or near an all time high (not adjusted for inflation so thats a bit of a false number) corporate profits are at an all time high, interest rates are at an all time low. productivity per man hour is at an all time high (The real reason unemployment is so slow to react.) Our GDP is at an all time high (again not inflation adjusted...) Private sector job growth is up. Public sector job growth and housing are the weak spots. Public sector employment can be debated as good or bad but historically this country has dug out of recessions by taking on major capitol projects. the housing bubble was just that, a bubble. Anyone who is waiting for that to recover doesn't understand what a bubble is.

I try to make fact based informed decisions, character is a judgement call. My judgement call on Romney is that he will say or do anyting to get elected. He had the chance to gain my respect when the rape comments started spewing out of the far right. Any man worth his deaconship would have flat out shut down any affiliation with the pea brain who claims rape is gods will. The Romney camp let them run adds endorsing that asshole.
That is not a gray nuanced position. Its just fucking wrong and any man who has a wife, mother or daughter should have the balls to say so politics be damned.

So after all is said and done how many of us are willing to admit the only real qualification Romney has that cant be disputed is the color of his skin... I'll admit it, don't like it, and hate that about myself but in the absence of anything less compelling there you go.

Please show me where I or anyone else for that matter referred to O's black/Kenyan heritage? If that's the best you can do, you are going against the grain of your "fact based decision" claim.

As far as the idiot and the ill thought out rape commentary, he was completely out of line, yet running his own campaign for a separate office. Many in the GOP requested he step down but they have no legal way to force him. The system will take care of him on the 6th. This certainly was no reflection on Romney.

So vote for your choice and live with the consequences. Nothing said or written is going to make you change to Romney and from your few posts you really don't have much to comment on regarding O that hasn't been part of the typical Dem talking points he's built his campaign upon thus far.

 

[Paul65k]

Please show me where I or anyone else for that matter referred to O's black/Kenyan heritage? If that's the best you can do, you are going against the grain of your "fact based decision" claim.

As far as the idiot and the ill thought out rape commentary, he was completely out of line, yet running his own campaign for a separate office. Many in the GOP requested he step down but they have no legal way to force him. The system will take care of him on the 6th. This certainly was no reflection on Romney.

So vote for your choice and live with the consequences. Nothing said or written is going to make you change to Romney and from your few posts you really don't have much to comment on regarding O that hasn't been part of the typical Dem talking points he's built his campaign upon thus far.

Sounds a little like Catmando....don't ya think???.....That guy was banned right???uttahere:

 

[wsuwrhr]

Sounds a little like Catmando....don't ya think???.....That guy was banned right???uttahere:

I am already saying it is an alter ego, possibly coached.

 

[Racey]

With respect to debt, in the first 4 years of Obama as president, national debt increased roughly 60% from 10 to 16 trillion. The CBO has estimated that his proposed future budgets will result in a doubling of debt by the end of his second term is he gets one to approximately 20.5 trillion. The President in office when the national debt increased the most, in term of percentages, was Ronald Reagan where the national debt tripled. The President in office when the national debt increased the least, in terms of percentages, was Bill Clinton.

You guys can figure out who gets credit or blame and what the actual reasons are, but those are the actual numbers.

Absolutely correct, but it was actually closer to 11.8-11.9 trillion in October of 2009 when Obama's first budget would have been enacted. Basically the first 9-10 months of a new president runs under the budget of the last president as the fiscal resets in september/october, or at least thats when they pass budgets. Just as if when Romney gets in he can't pass a budget until Sept/October of 2013, up until that date all the spending is on Obama's tab. Around 4 Trillion has been added under Obama's watch, not 6, but your sentiment is dead on :thumbsup.

GW Bush started out with a debt of about 5.8 Trillion and ended with 11.8-11.9. Over Doubled the debt, but many republicans like to ignore that fact

 

[was thatguy]

Sounds a little like Catmando....don't ya think???.....That guy was banned right???uttahere:

He was banned here a couple weeks ago with great fanfare. He also got banned a couple weeks ago (again) across the street registering under yet another name.

We thought it was Damoose/ DtB/ Homez, but it was in fact cat. (Again, sorry for that D)

 

[wsuwrhr]

Absolutely correct, but it was actually closer to 11.8-11.9 trillion in October of 2009 when Obama's first budget would have been enacted. Basically the first 9-10 months of a new president runs under the budget of the last president as the fiscal resets in september/october, or at least thats when they pass budgets. Just as if when Romney gets in he can't pass a budget until Sept/October of 2013, up until that date all the spending is on Obama's tab. Around 4 Trillion has been added under Obama's watch, not 6, but your sentiment is dead on :thumbsup.

GW Bush started out with a debt of about 5.8 Trillion and ended with 11.8-11.9. Over Doubled the debt, but many republicans like to ignore that fact

Im no Bush lover but,

Nothing to do with a war right Racey?

Brian

 

[Racey]

Im no Bush lover but,

Nothing to do with a war right Racey?

Brian

The war(s) were estimated to be about 1 trillion of that. So what about the other 5 trillion? No fiscal responsibility.

Bush made the largest expansion of socialized medicine since medicare's inception with his Medicare Part D, it costs about 50-60 billion a year, He did it to secure Florida's vote in his 2004 re-election bid, it worked.

Unless there are ships landing troops on our shores i see no excuse for a trillion dollar cost of war, with money we have to borrow from future generations. We are making the unborn generations into slaves to pay back the debts incurred by excess spending today.

 

[Old Texan]

Sounds a little like Catmando....don't ya think???.....That guy was banned right???uttahere:

Naw.....Catdouche is far to crude and ignorant to pull off the style of these posts. Cat's biggest issue is he has no common sense and a very weird sense of humor only he understands. Cat would rather kiss George Bush full on the cheeks of his spread ass in downtown Dallas than be nice to me in a post.:skull

 

[Racey]

Naw.....Catdouche is far to crude and ignorant to pull off the style of these posts. Cat's biggest issue is he has no common sense and a very weird sense of humor only he understands. Cat would rather kiss George Bush full on the cheeks of his spread ass in downtown Dallas than be nice to me in a post.:skull

Hahahah if it is CatDouche he has certainly turned a new leaf

I don't think there is a chance in hell it's Catturd, he liked to do hit and run style provocation, squeeze actually seems genuinely interested in having a discussion, agree with him or not, there is still a good discussion occuring. :thumbsup

 

[squeezer]

Well this certainly stirred the pot...


To be very clear this statement,

"So after all is said and done how many of us are willing to admit the only real qualification Romney has that cant be disputed is the color of his skin... I'll admit it, don't like it, and hate that about myself but in the absence of anything less compelling there you go."

Was and is aimed inward, I have called no one out on this board and don't intend to. I am however soul searching to figure out why I am looking for a reason any reason to justify voting for Romney.


if i stirred up some self reflection that offended some of you I am very sorry that is the case. (If a few typed words from a stranger on an internet forum can do anything but leave you slightly amused maybe its time to step back a bit)

But here we are 9 pages in and I have yet to see a hard fact I can use to justify a vote for Governor Romney. Lots of opinions and assumptions but no hard facts, the bulk of the conversation is why President Obama is bad and that is valid enough for some but again not what i was looking for. What I was looking for was a dialog that helped me justify my position and I did get that.

I thank all who contributed to the conversation and trust we will wake up with the government we deserve on Wed.

Regards

Cat... err I mean Chris

 

[DaveH]

Well this certainly stirred the pot...


To be very clear this statement,

"So after all is said and done how many of us are willing to admit the only real qualification Romney has that cant be disputed is the color of his skin... I'll admit it, don't like it, and hate that about myself but in the absence of anything less compelling there you go."

Was and is aimed inward, I have called no one out on this board and don't intend to. I am however soul searching to figure out why I am looking for a reason any reason to justify voting for Romney.


if i stirred up some self reflection that offended some of you I am very sorry that is the case. (If a few typed words from a stranger on an internet forum can do anything but leave you slightly amused maybe its time to step back a bit)

But here we are 9 pages in and I have yet to see a hard fact I can use to justify a vote for Governor Romney. Lots of opinions and assumptions but no hard facts, the bulk of the conversation is why President Obama is bad and that is valid enough for some but again not what i was looking for. What I was looking for was a dialog that helped me justify my position and I did get that.

I thank all who contributed to the conversation and trust we will wake up with the government we deserve on Wed.

Regards

Cat... err I mean Chris

and i dont think you have given anyone here ONE SINGLE COLD HARD REASON to vote for Obama. he should have plenty, 4 years of a record to run on.uke: all he and his supporters are capable of is bashing Romney, and making up lies telling us all what he will do when he gets in. wish we had known as much about O 4 years ago.

 

[wsuwrhr]

and i dont think you have given anyone here ONE SINGLE COLD HARD REASON to vote for Obama. he should have plenty, 4 years of a record to run on.uke: all he and his supporters are capable of is bashing Romney, and making up lies telling us all what he will do when he gets in. wish we had known as much about O 4 years ago.

Agreed.

OP seemd like he was trying to figure out why NOT to vote for bob this time around.

I don't know what else he needs to know, bobs record speaks for itself. First two years with a supermajority and still didn't get much done.


BTW I knew all I needed to know about bob four years ago....sealed records, little information. never held a job, never did anything notable beforehand as a senator...pretty much his record still...

now the worst president since Jimmy. I am sure he is happy

 

[was thatguy]

Well this certainly stirred the pot...


To be very clear this statement,

"So after all is said and done how many of us are willing to admit the only real qualification Romney has that cant be disputed is the color of his skin... I'll admit it, don't like it, and hate that about myself but in the absence of anything less compelling there you go."

Was and is aimed inward, I have called no one out on this board and don't intend to. I am however soul searching to figure out why I am looking for a reason any reason to justify voting for Romney.


if i stirred up some self reflection that offended some of you I am very sorry that is the case. (If a few typed words from a stranger on an internet forum can do anything but leave you slightly amused maybe its time to step back a bit)

But here we are 9 pages in and I have yet to see a hard fact I can use to justify a vote for Governor Romney. Lots of opinions and assumptions but no hard facts, the bulk of the conversation is why President Obama is bad and that is valid enough for some but again not what i was looking for. What I was looking for was a dialog that helped me justify my position and I did get that.

I thank all who contributed to the conversation and trust we will wake up with the government we deserve on Wed.

Regards

Cat... err I mean Chris

Well after reading this post, I have no advice for you.
Your thinking is too shallow to even hope to offer you any good reasons, regardless of how many there are.
Not an insult, more an observation.

 

[Old Texan]

Well after reading this post, I have no advice for you.
Your thinking is too shallow to even hope to offer you any good reasons, regardless of how many there are.
Not an insult, more an observation.

Could be Norv Turner.....:hmm

 

[squeezer]

This was a bit of a social experiment...

I clearly asked for people to give me reasons based on verifiable facts to vote for Governor Romney. This should have been a love fest about why he is great based on facts from his past. The conversation immediately jumped onto why President Obama is bad. I tried to steer the dialog back to a Romney love fest... A very good link was posted early on listing some accomplishment but it was from a partisan sight and easily countered data from another partisan site. More President Obama bashing a few more opinions but very few reasoned responses. Racey stepped up to the plate and hit a solid triple (Thank You) but everybody is so focused on why the current administration is bad we cant articulate an argument on what we think is good. I am tired of picking leaders based on how bad the current guy is, thats what got us here in the first place.

 

[wsuwrhr]

This was a bit of a social experiment...

I clearly asked for people to give me reasons based on verifiable facts to vote for Governor Romney. This should have been a love fest about why he is great based on facts from his past. The conversation immediately jumped onto why President Obama is bad. I tried to steer the dialog back to a Romney love fest... A very good link was posted early on listing some accomplishment but it was from a partisan sight and easily countered data from another partisan site. More President Obama bashing a few more opinions but very few reasoned responses. Racey stepped up to the plate and hit a solid triple (Thank You) but everybody is so focused on why the current administration is bad we cant articulate an argument on what we think is good. I am tired of picking leaders based on how bad the current guy is, thats what got us here in the first place.

You are mistaken.

Not can't, won't, no desire to.

This post was nothing more than a bait from the beginning.

Brian

 

[squeezer]

You are mistaken.

Not can't, won't, no desire to.

This post was nothing more than a bait from the beginning.

Brian

I used to work with a guy who had a saying (he actually had tons of them) The one that applies here is this:

"If everybody is thinking the same thing only one person is thinking"

The board has been so universally aligned with Governor Romney that I was wondering why I wasn't.

Call it baiting if you like but I do find some of the posts here well thought out and informative and that was the entire point.

If I would have posted "Obama sucks go Romney" do you think we would be 10 pages deep and still typing?

And from some viewpoints "No desire to" is pretty hard to differentiate from "Can't".

 

[Racey]

This was a bit of a social experiment...

I clearly asked for people to give me reasons based on verifiable facts to vote for Governor Romney. This should have been a love fest about why he is great based on facts from his past. The conversation immediately jumped onto why President Obama is bad. I tried to steer the dialog back to a Romney love fest... A very good link was posted early on listing some accomplishment but it was from a partisan sight and easily countered data from another partisan site. More President Obama bashing a few more opinions but very few reasoned responses. Racey stepped up to the plate and hit a solid triple (Thank You) but everybody is so focused on why the current administration is bad we cant articulate an argument on what we think is good. I am tired of picking leaders based on how bad the current guy is, thats what got us here in the first place.

A lot of the responses you've seen here are the unfortunate result of a 2 party paradigm, If you don't Support candidate A, then you OBVIOUSLY MUST support candidate B. I think many here have missed that point, this has gone on since January since the nomination campaigning began, if you had anything negative to say about any of the candidates for the GOP you were incorrectly, and hilariously labeled as an Obama supporter. It's very difficult to explain to someone who has lived their life with a political alphabet of A or B, that there are options and platforms C-Z. If you don't support their option you are supporting the other by default, and I'm not talking parties here completely, I'm talking issues, Marijuana Legalization/Decriminalization, Elimination of the IRS as our main taxing entity, ending wars and foreign aid spending, balancing the budget today, not 10 years from now, these are just a few off the top of my head...... All these things the 2 parties refuse to acknowledge...... Instead it becomes a battle between the 2 major parties, regardless of what their stances are, it's no different than sports fanatics, who cares about what kind of game your team plays on the field, just make sure they kick the other guys ass.....

Younger generations are waking up more and more to the fact that the 2 choices presented are much less of a choice than everyone believes....

 

[was thatguy]

Bullshit.
Some specific reasons were listed. More than a few in fact.
You just chose to ignore them because they were not the BS your so called experiment required.

 

[squeezer]

Bullshit.
Some specific reasons were listed. More than a few in fact.
You just chose to ignore them because they were not the BS your so called experiment required.

OK cool... This is the 100th post in this chain. A few is two... giving you the benefit of the doubt lets call more than a few N+1 or three. List for me please 3 posts by number that have verifiable facts in them supporting a reason to vote for Governor Romney. Stated rule of engagement is if the post mentions president Obama it does not qualify.

You list the posts I will fact check as impartially as possible and diligently followup on fact checks by others.