A.O.C Healthcare is a "right"

[Uncle Dave]

The most ineffcient way possible would be to pay the government, then have their bureaucratic overhead, waste, zero incentive for efficiency, then they pay the providers...

The thought of gov running it is horrifying. (see quebec)
We'd be paying 900.00 for an aspirin tablet simply because of the paperwork required by them.

Insurance companies can be incentivized to run healthcare at as low a cost as is feasible is a good start.

The gov COULD assist other ways - it could create with a "kicker fund" to assist health insurance companies - started by recovering some offshore trillions hidden away today - plenty of dough there.

 

[Hullbilly]

Normalize healthcare costs...so how do you pay the elite? The Neurosurgeon who can do the most intricate operations, why would those people want to work for a flat fee?

I get that the majority of Dr's are indeed there to help everyone, that is their calling. How do you entice the ones who could be lifechangers to join if there is no reward?

Not everyone has the same moral code, I know Dr's on both sides, most are rewarded well enough for them to be able to focus on their calling to help humanity....

But there are a few really fucking talented surgeons I have as clients who do not give a single fuck about humanity, they are there to make a shitload of money and retire early.

Without the intake of BOTH of those types of mental states, we as a whole loose.

There are so many variables once you jump down the rabbit hole of complete social support. Where will you end it? How can you promise it will not corrode our Constitutional Rights in the name of the greater good?

It's a fucking nightmare.

IMO AHCA fucking broke what was a feasible (corrupt as fuck) system that was working. Yes it was not perfect, but Jesus fucking Christ, shit is so much worse now.

You know what would be rad, if squegee let we the people decide his salary. I mean Dr’s don’t deserve high pay for what they do, I bet squeegees zero skill job should pay sub minimum wage..lol Mr I don’t share my steak with the starving folks

 

[lbhsbz]

What do you think insurance is?

It's to be used by all the people that pay for insurance. Not those that don't. Why is this so hard?

 

[Hullbilly]

It's to be used by all the people that pay for insurance. Not those that don't. Why is this so hard?

Whooooooa.....Don’t ruin Rods day drinking buzz

 

[RodnJen]

It's to be used by all the people that pay for insurance. Not those that don't. Why is this so hard?

It wouldn’t be hard if that’s how the world worked, but it doesn’t. Then there’s the whole public health issue. You may like living in a bubble, the rest of the country does not.

 

[regor]

It wouldn’t be hard if that’s how the world worked, but it doesn’t. Then there’s the whole public health issue. You may like living in a bubble, the rest of the country does not.

Okay, but why do you vote for a party that continually welcomes "public health issues" dope?

Talk about living in a bubble.............

 

[Hullbilly]

Okay, but why do you vote for a party that continually welcomes "public health issues" dope?

Lol like all those threads in the lounge with californians suffering from 3rd worl disease that has not been seen here for centuries? Baaaaaahahaha keep loading cali up with all the illegals

 

[Hullbilly]

It wouldn’t be hard if that’s how the world worked, but it doesn’t. Then there’s the whole public health issue. You may like living in a bubble, the rest of the country does not.

Well, stop supporting free stuff. Support the concept that you get what you pay for, and if you don’t pay you don’t get.....


No tickey, no laundry

 

[regor]

Lol like all those threads in the lounge with californians suffering from 3rd worl disease that has not been seen here for centuries? Baaaaaahahaha keep loading cali up with all the illegals

They're imbeciles.

 

[Hullbilly]

They're imbeciles.

Don’t worry the muslims will have your streets cleaned up soon....

 

[regor]

Don’t worry the muslims will have your streets cleaned up soon....

I'll be in a sanctuary gun state, but you're damn right about that.

These dumb fuck PC libturds can't see past tomorrow.

 

[SBMech]

It wouldn’t be hard if that’s how the world worked, but it doesn’t. Then there’s the whole public health issue. You may like living in a bubble, the rest of the country does not.

Really? You speak for the entire USA?

Well then, there is me, you certainly do NOT speak for me, I am pretty sure there are AT LEAST 500 people on this website whom you do not speak for either....

I don't give a FUCK about people who are irresponsible with childcare or pregnancy or their health. Forcing others to see the world as you wish it to be is going to get you fucking killed.

That is a dictatorship, not freedom. Not the principles that this country was founded on, and what "I" was raised on.

Soon enough I am sure with tech that is advancing, you will be able to donate as much of your income as you like, to whatever makes you happy.

Until that time, please, sincerely, take your attempts to FORCE me to pay for YOUR guilt about your station/crimes/humanitarianism bullshit and shove them deep up your ass.

 

[RCDave]

It wouldn’t be hard if that’s how the world worked, but it doesn’t. Then there’s the whole public health issue. You may like living in a bubble, the rest of the country does not.

Needs to be changed! No pay no service......

 

[RodnJen]

Really? You speak for the entire USA?

Well then, there is me, you certainly do NOT speak for me, I am pretty sure there are AT LEAST 500 people on this website whom you do not speak for either....

I don't give a FUCK about people who are irresponsible with childcare or pregnancy or their health. Forcing others to see the world as you wish it to be is going to get you fucking killed.

That is a dictatorship, not freedom. Not the principles that this country was founded on, and what "I" was raised on.

Soon enough I am sure with tech that is advancing, you will be able to donate as much of your income as you like, to whatever makes you happy.

Until that time, please, sincerely, take your attempts to FORCE me to pay for YOUR guilt about your station/crimes/humanitarianism bullshit and shove them deep up your ass.

You should have let me keep speaking for you.

 

[Hullbilly]

You should have let me keep speaking for you.

You can speak for him and pay my insurance....since you enjoy the idea of paying for other folks care/wellbeing.

 

[RCDave]

I have the right to seek out and pay for medical care. its called freedom. To force me to pay for those who do not pay, is theft/extortion

 

[regor]

Really? You speak for the entire USA?

Well then, there is me, you certainly do NOT speak for me, I am pretty sure there are AT LEAST 500 people on this website whom you do not speak for either....

I don't give a FUCK about people who are irresponsible with childcare or pregnancy or their health. Forcing others to see the world as you wish it to be is going to get you fucking killed.

That is a dictatorship, not freedom. Not the principles that this country was founded on, and what "I" was raised on.

Soon enough I am sure with tech that is advancing, you will be able to donate as much of your income as you like, to whatever makes you happy.

Until that time, please, sincerely, take your attempts to FORCE me to pay for YOUR guilt about your station/crimes/humanitarianism bullshit and shove them deep up your ass.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I have the right to seek out and pay for medical care. its called freedom. To force me to pay for those who do not pay, is theft/extortion

Thats the way it is today- theft/ extortion because a bunch of people and companies get to skate.

Thats why its gotta be all in.

UD

 

[RCDave]

Thats the way it is today- theft/ extortion because a bunch of people and companies get to skate.

Thats why its gotta be all in.

UD

something that is wrong and immoral and unethical needs to be changed. To sweep the dust under the carpet won't fix a dam thing. in fact, it breeds more theft and extortion

 

[regor]

I have the right to seek out and pay for medical care. its called freedom. To force me to pay for those who do not pay, is theft/extortion

This, but we do need to pay a little for the worthless, mentally challenged and people born physically handicapped. It shouldn't be anywhere near the quality we pay for and by no means anywhere close to the amount. If the parents of said individuals want that higher care, then that is their responsibility.

F the insurance middle man bastards, the pharma lobbyists and the whores in Congress who's pockets they grease.

All I ask is the ability to acquire my own care, with the options that the free market offers.

If you can't handle that, then move to Canaturd.

 

[Uncle Dave]

something that is wrong and immoral and unethical needs to be changed. To sweep the dust under the carpet won't fix a dam thing. in fact, it breeds more theft and extortion

Agree, but we've actually gone backward over this issue.

ACA made everyone but waiver/exempt people buy in or face a tax. The expemption is a fucked up slap in the face -

- but better than removing the individual mandate altogether which is where we are today.

after 2019 there is no penalty -until changed back people get to go through life with no insurance but still get the service without paying anything when they need it.

We get their bill.

UD

 

[RCDave]

Ironic that Liberals complain about the cost of healthcare. But fully support free access to healthcare of those that don't pay......and then wonder why costs keep increasing.

Definition of stupid

 

[SNiC Jet]

It’s not about free shit, it’s about expensive shit... Very expensive shit that I have to pay for in the most inefficient way possible.

You may like living in a bubble, the rest of the country does not.

 

[spectras only]

Your boy Bernie always thought the Canadian Medicare system is the way to go.
Did i mention, prescriptions, optometry and dentistry not covered in Medicare?


The Canadian health system has been run as a government monopoly since 1970. It doesn'’t really matter which level of government tries to manage the system, our experience shows that political planning doesn'’t work. Adding federal management would be as effective at averting disaster as rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship.

Politically managed, 100 per cent redistributive financing produces a “pay more, get less” result: unsustainable cost growth and rationed access.

 

[RCDave]

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Hurry and destroy the pen in that photo. They will fill that notebook real quick

 

[Hullbilly]

Your boy Bernie always thought the Canadian Medicare system is the way to go.
Did i mention, prescriptions, optometry and dentistry not covered in Medicare?


The Canadian health system has been run as a government monopoly since 1970. It doesn'’t really matter which level of government tries to manage the system, our experience shows that political planning doesn'’t work. Adding federal management would be as effective at averting disaster as rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship.

Politically managed, 100 per cent redistributive financing produces a “pay more, get less” result: unsustainable cost growth and rationed access.

Squegee had no interest in talking about Canadas socialized medicine. He touted that it works for foreign countries...I suggested we start with Canada or a Scandanavian country, but to no surprise he chose not to engage.


Perhaps Venezuela would have blown his skirt up.

 

[500bbc]

It's to be used by all the people that pay for insurance. Not those that don't. Why is this so hard?

Because he is quite magnanimous, with your money.

 

[was thatguy]

Squegee had no interest in talking about Canadas socialized medicine. He touted that it works for foreign countries...I suggested we start with Canada or a Scandanavian country, but to no surprise he chose not to engage.


Perhaps Venezuela would have blown his skirt up.

Not a single offering to back his opinion.

 

[Hullbilly]

Not a single offering to back his opinion.

SOP for he and his ilk.

 

[94Nautique]

Are you willing to actully look at how other countries deliver better results at lower costs or are you just beating a right wing talking point.

Because there are numerous examples of better cost/benefit outcomes if you can do simple math and can read.

Please show us, please!

And don't forget about all the cool stuff those folks use that was developed by for profit companies.

You see, without the profit motive, you simply have the DMV. Only worse.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T377A using Tapatalk

 

[Andy B.]

Agree, but we've actually gone backward over this issue.

ACA made everyone but waiver/exempt people buy in or face a tax. The expemption is a fucked up slap in the face -

- but better than removing the individual mandate altogether which is where we are today.

after 2019 there is no penalty -until changed back people get to go through life with no insurance but still get the service without paying anything when they need it.

We get their bill.

UD

Yeah our bill went up 200% with oshitcare taking care of even more lazy asshole and people here illegally!!!!! Government needs to stay the fuck out!!!

 

[Uncle Dave]

Yeah our bill went up 200% with oshitcare taking care of even more lazy asshole and people here illegally!!!!! Government needs to stay the fuck out!!!

Gov needs to help - not hinder or take over. Some in involvement is OK.

Pretty stupid of O to say t was going to go down by 2K a family . Seemed like a wild ass guess from the outset. What'd he'd do ? Roll dice?

Either he knew and was lying, or didn't know and didn't think he was lying - either makes him look really bad.(like if you like your plan you can keep your plan)

I want my old plan back! The one I was promised I could keep.


No way it could go down with over 1200 companies getting waivers.
The major bill payers the system needed to control costs - were allowed to skate.


UD

 

[SNiC Jet]

The major bill payers the system needed to control costs - were allowed to skate.

POLITICS...........in essence, buying votes in exchange to support ACA put a deeper fuckin on the rest of us...
But of course...ACA was designed to fail in order to implement ACA Stage II...or Deeper Fuckin II......One Payer and Total Gov Control.....and then came Trump & MAGA

....Best Election Ever!!!

 

[Bobby V]

But of course...ACA was designed to fail in order to implement ACA Stage II...or Deeper Fuckin II......One Payer and Total Gov Control.....and then came Trump & MAGA

....Best Election Ever!!!

What happened to repeal and replace?????..

 

[Uncle Dave]

POLITICS...........in essence, buying votes in exchange to support ACA put a deeper fuckin on the rest of us...
But of course...ACA was designed to fail in order to implement ACA Stage II...or Deeper Fuckin II......One Payer and Total Gov Control.....and then came Trump & MAGA

....Best Election Ever!!!

Pretty much politics as usual on ACA. Elites and party friends get a pass -we get their bill.

That said I haven't seen the "tremendous" replacement we were promised by this team and costs are still rising.

UD

 

[squeezer]

Squegee had no interest in talking about Canadas socialized medicine. He touted that it works for foreign countries...I suggested we start with Canada or a Scandanavian country, but to no surprise he chose not to engage.


Perhaps Venezuela would have blown his skirt up.

My father-in-law is At THIS EXACT MOMENT in the recovery room at St. Paul’s Hospital in Saskatoon Saskatchewan. He was diagnosed with a carcinoid tumor on his left lung less than two weeks ago... They went in and got it this afternoon.

Early detection and quick action had him at a better than 90% 5 year survival rate.

So yea go ahead and point out the flaws in the Canadian system to me.

 

[SNiC Jet]

What happened to repeal and replace?????..

DEMs and RINOs ...

 

[was thatguy]

Gov needs to help - not hinder or take over. Some in involvement is OK.

Pretty stupid of O to say t was going to go down by 2K a family . Seemed like a wild ass guess from the outset. What'd he'd do ? Roll dice?

Either he knew and was lying, or didn't know and didn't think he was lying - either makes him look really bad.(like if you like your plan you can keep your plan)

I want my old plan back! The one I was promised I could keep.


No way it could go down with over 1200 companies getting waivers.
The major bill payers the system needed to control costs - were allowed to skate.


UD

Our plans were godfathers in. Deb knew what was coming being in the industry. She made sure I didn’t get my fingers near the keyboard in her agent log in to make any changes.
My access was strictly limited to the bill paying part...which escalated rapidly and immediately apon the implementation of Obamacare.
We got one scary notice saying her plan was going to be terminated, but then got a retraction notice that it was a mistake.
When I cancelled my BS individual PPO it was over a thousand a month.
At Debs passing hers was over $850 a month.

 

[squeezer]

 

[was thatguy]

My father-in-law is At THIS EXACT MOMENT in the recovery room at St. Paul’s Hospital in Saskatoon Saskatchewan. He was diagnosed with a carcinoid tumor on his left lung less than two weeks ago... They went in and got it this afternoon.

Early detection and quick action had him at a better than 90% 5 year survival rate.

So yea go ahead and point out the flaws in the Canadian system to me.

I work with many Canadians.
Overall, their stories are MUCH different than yours.

Best wishes to your FIL, I fucking hate cancer and do not wish it on anyone.
Sincerely hope his fight is a successful and as pain free as can be.

 

[was thatguy]

Great to see the margins were clean!
Debs initial surgery revealed hot margins and took another knife session to clean up.

 

[Hullbilly]

My father-in-law is At THIS EXACT MOMENT in the recovery room at St. Paul’s Hospital in Saskatoon Saskatchewan. He was diagnosed with a carcinoid tumor on his left lung less than two weeks ago... They went in and got it this afternoon.

Early detection and quick action had him at a better than 90% 5 year survival rate.

So yea go ahead and point out the flaws in the Canadian system to me.

Does he have health care coverage that he pays for? hmmmmmm

And for every success story in canada theres 10 failures, but if you think thats a success then cheers partner

*I’ll add as my FIL is terminal, I understand your plight and wish your FIL the best

 

[SNiC Jet]

I work with many Canadians.
Overall, their stories are MUCH different than yours.

Canadians Pay A High Price For Free Health Care
Last year, Canadian patients forewent $1.9 billion in wages while waiting for medical treatment, according to a report from the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think-tank. Canadian patients face some of the longest waits for care in the industrialized world due to their government-run system's strict rationing.

If progressives successfully install single-payer here in the United States, Americans will pay for the privilege of waiting in line.

 

[Uncle Dave]

My father-in-law is At THIS EXACT MOMENT in the recovery room at St. Paul’s Hospital in Saskatoon Saskatchewan. He was diagnosed with a carcinoid tumor on his left lung less than two weeks ago... They went in and got it this afternoon.

Early detection and quick action had him at a better than 90% 5 year survival rate.

So yea go ahead and point out the flaws in the Canadian system to me.

How was it detected?


UD

 

[squeezer]

I work with many Canadians.
Overall, their stories are MUCH different than yours.

Best wishes to your FIL, I fucking hate cancer and do not wish it on anyone.
Sincerely hope his fight is a successful and as pain free as can be.

Thank You for that...

The horror stories of the Canadian system are usually centered around the urgency of whatever procedure you may need.

Went to school at the UofS, was playing a game of hockey in my Jr Year and stepped into a guy wrong. Tore a miniscus pretty bad... Bad enough that the flap would fold over and lock my leg up. ( After dropping me to the ground of course...) Got things diagnosed, met with the Surgeon and we were 8 months out for surgery. I was not happy about that but hey that was the only option. Four months later I was in a truck accident and broke a bone fragment off in the ankle of the other leg... Met with the same surgeon who said that it had to come out ASAP. When the swelling went down they went in and did BOTH procedures... One was urgent was was not, the Dr made the decisions and I am not sure I could have asked for any more.

So yea let’s go ahead and school me on Canadian health care...

 

[squeezer]

How was it detected?


UD

Routine physical, stress test ( Wasn’t as good on the treadmill as the year before) Dr asked if he would mind an MRI...

All happened fairly quickly.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Routine physical, stress test ( Wasn’t as good on the treadmill as the year before) Dr asked if he would mind an MRI...

All happened fairly quickly.

Glad they caught it. Fuck cancer - Cancer sucks.

MRI wait times are published in Saskatchewan and all Canadian provinces and frankly - suck.
It seems Saskatchewan is second best in Canada though.

http://www.rqhealth.ca/e-link-newsletter/best-mri-wait-times-here-in-the-region

"MRI wait times dropping from 239 days to 114 – a 52 per cent reduction from September 2016 to January 2017."
"some of the longest wait times were over two years in cardiac and muskoskeletal (MRI Arthrogram) imaging."

There are reams of data on Canadian wait times for Tech few if any even remotely like what we get here.

Cedars Sinai had me in an MRI bay in a few days.


UD

 

[was thatguy]

Glad they caught it. Fuck cancer - Cancer sucks.

MRI wait times are published in Saskatchewan and all Canadian provinces and frankly - suck.
It seems Saskatchewan is second best in Canada though.

http://www.rqhealth.ca/e-link-newsletter/best-mri-wait-times-here-in-the-region

"MRI wait times dropping from 239 days to 114 – a 52 per cent reduction from September 2016 to January 2017."
"some of the longest wait times were over two years in cardiac and muskoskeletal (MRI Arthrogram) imaging."

There are reams of data on Canadian wait times for Tech few if any even remotely like what we get here.

Cedars Sinai had me in an MRI bay in a few days.


UD

Deb had emergency MRIs same day at UC Davis when we would notice strange behavior due to her brain tumors.
When I tell Canadians about our journey through the cancer maze they are usually incredulous.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Routine physical, stress test ( Wasn’t as good on the treadmill as the year before) Dr asked if he would mind an MRI...

All happened fairly quickly.

Kinda scary how fast life can change isn't it?.........my thoughts and prayers for you and your family...

 

[squeezer]

Glad they caught it. Fuck cancer - Cancer sucks.

MRI wait times are published in Saskatchewan and all Canadian provinces and frankly - suck.
It seems Saskatchewan is second best in Canada though.

http://www.rqhealth.ca/e-link-newsletter/best-mri-wait-times-here-in-the-region

"MRI wait times dropping from 239 days to 114 – a 52 per cent reduction from September 2016 to January 2017."
"some of the longest wait times were over two years in cardiac and muskoskeletal (MRI Arthrogram) imaging."

There are reams of data on Canadian wait times for Tech few if any even remotely like what we get here.

Cedars Sinai had me in an MRI bay in a few days.


UD

Wait times are obviously a function of indicated need.

The Dr needed actionable imaging immediately and got it immediately.

And he is a retired 72 year old without special coverage.