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She runs like a rapped ape!! I put gas in and let her run- no issues!


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They run a 1500 btu RV AC no problem and are super quiet.
Best bang for the buck.
 

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Doesn’t bother me. People are up all night running their off road vehicles and music, a tiny quiet Honda isn’t bothering anyone.

So because it doesn't bother you, it's okay? It's not always a "tiny quiet Honda" either. Music is also subject to the same noise rules as generators. Want to make noise all night? Go somewhere else where it won't annoy anybody or spend the money on a setup that doesn't force others to listen to your needs for convenience. I did...6V batteries in the diesel pusher, by the way for info for the OP. Only way to go for stuff like this.

Have some consideration for others. It's as simple as that.
 
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Welp, I guess I am a bad guy because I have to run my generator all night when one of my family members comes that needs an oxygen concentrator at night. I guess that means they can't enjoy what everybody else gets to because they have a handicap. So I guess consideration is a one way street.
 

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So many people get all confused and don't do proper math when making this change. Yes the heavy 6v batteries are a little more tolerant of abuse but are still not indestructible. High quality 12v will perform about the same under adverse conditions. Where I find all of this amusing is with the people who repeatedly try to tell me that they have twice the Ah as me and my 12v. Simply put they are just adding the advertised Ah's on their batteries, what they are not doing is then dividing that by the step up in voltage. There is no free lunch here. If you double the voltage from 6-12 you will need to divide the Ah by 2.

12v system = 2 batteries at 100ah each means 200ah
6v system= 2 batteries at 200ah each does not give you 400ah that everybody believes, because you are wired in series to jump the voltage, you need to half the ah meaning only the same 200ah.

Generally the people who are claiming miracles when they switched started with junk. In reality the chemistry is the same between both voltages meaning you should have the same safe drawdown (% wise) from either voltage. Many people are getting the cheapest 12v "deep cycle" they can and then upgrading to decent 6v when they do this.

I know, I know, I am now going to be told that I don't know what I am talking about and they personally swapped to 6v and gained 40 days of run time over the 18 hours they had before and that I am just a fool. Unfortunately, the science of what I said supports me and the math. Flame on.......
 

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Look up "The 12 volt side of life" on the internet, very educational article.
 

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Welp, I guess I am a bad guy because I have to run my generator all night when one of my family members comes that needs an oxygen concentrator at night. I guess that means they can't enjoy what everybody else gets to because they have a handicap. So I guess consideration is a one way street.

Everybody always has an excuse.

Does the law give you an exception for medical devices? Is there no amount of batteries that could power an oxygen concentrator overnight?

Seems like it's just easier for you to inconvenience others rather than get set up properly according to your particular situation...
 

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So, I definitively understand this stuff so I assume that you aren't directing your comments at me. A few points:
1) We aren't talking about exotic high cost batteries. We are talking about the shit you buy at Costco or Walmart or some other readily available source of batteries.
2) While the chemistry is the same, the internal design of the batteries is different. The 12V "deep cycle"* are designed to supply a very large amount of current for starting purposes. Because of this, they maximize the internal lead plate area which results in thin lead plates. These don't cope well with continuous deep discharge/charge cycles. The plates in the 6V are designed for a much lower discharge rate so they can be thicker and are thus not as easy to damage.
3) You can buy a true 12V deep cycle, but not at WalMart or Costco.
4) The voltage of the battery doesn't matter. The internal design does. Golf cart batteries are design to be abused. People in RVs abuse their batteries. Going with an internal construction that supports that use case is a reasonable thing to do.
5) Dollar for dollar, a 6V setup is going to give more capacity and be more forgiving to abuse.
6) I understand the difference between series and parallel. Given a certain footprint, thje run of the mill golf cart batteries are usually taller so you get a little extra capacity from that.
7) We should talk about usable capacity. This means the amount you can drain from the battery before it is damaged (over time). Thicker plate batteries have more usable capacity than thinnner plate batteries.

* the 12V "deep cycle" batteries are actually usually dual purpose batteries and also suitable for starting
 
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Welp, I guess I am a bad guy because I have to run my generator all night when one of my family members comes that needs an oxygen concentrator at night. I guess that means they can't enjoy what everybody else gets to because they have a handicap. So I guess consideration is a one way street.
Me too.
We can hear our cat purring on the bed while the generator is running
Let’s ban cats in RVs.
OH MY GOD YOU RUN YOUR GENERATOR ALL NIGHT MY TRIP IS RUINED!!!!
THE HUMANITY!!!
 

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Everybody always has an excuse.

Does the law give you an exception for medical devices? Is there no amount of batteries that could power an oxygen concentrator overnight?

Seems like it's just easier for you to inconvenience others rather than get set up properly according to your particular situation...

That's great a health problem is an excuse. Nope not for the size she needs. Yes, there are some exceptions for the law. Hope you never "have to" camp by us and be inconvenienced. God forbid somebody gets sick in your family, guess they will have to stay home.
 

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They run a 1500 btu RV AC no problem and are super quiet.
Best bang for the buck.
Yes, money well spent and considerably much less than the Honda and Yamahas.

I had a Honda EU 2000 that was stolen when we were camping at Rincon, I figured it was pointless to spend that much only to have it snaked. Also considering it spends most of its life in the dirt it didnt make sense to spend a bunch of money. I always have the onboard gen if the Predator goes south and doesnt start.
 

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Me too.
We can hear our cat purring on the bed while the generator is running
Let’s ban cats in RVs.
OH MY GOD YOU RUN YOUR GENERATOR ALL NIGHT MY TRIP IS RUINED!!!!
THE HUMANITY!!!

:rolleyes: Spoken like one of the true modern Glamis assholes that have ruined the place with the "I'm going to do what I'm going to do and you can deal with it" attitude. No consideration for others. A shining example of what's wrong with society today. Well done, TPC!
 

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That's great a health problem is an excuse. Nope not for the size she needs. Yes, there are some exceptions for the law. Hope you never "have to" camp by us and be inconvenienced. God forbid somebody gets sick in your family, guess they will have to stay home.


What does she do during the day? I happen to have a family member who needs an oxygen concentrator also. Powers up for about 9 hours on battery. If your family member needs oxygen more pure than that thing produces, I hope there's no smoking in your rig because it'll be the RV version of the Hindenburg otherwise.

Again, my issue is with having consideration for others. When people have a reasonable expectation of a quiet camping environment (as supported by the laws in place) and would like to enjoy the place with their families, it's a problem when someone else comes in with disregard for that. If you have a legitimate medical need and there is in fact an exception to the law accommodating that, then have at it, hoss. Otherwise and even then, people need to be considerate of the fact that sound carries out there for a good long way and it could have an impact on others trying to enjoy the place also.
 

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Something interesting - Costco now has 48 month "no questions asked" replacement warranty on their automotive batteries. This does not include the deep cycle RV batteries - those are 1 year. Still - i'd be willing to try a pair of car batteries, the biggest group / CCA / reserve capacity i can fit, and take advantage of that 4 year replacement policy. Sounds like 8 years of batteries to me! If your not draining them way down and running a little generator, why not?
I ran two of the biggest 12 volt car batteries from walmart when they had the 3 year free replacement. They used to only be about $65 too.
I think they caught on and raised the prices but still have 3 year free and pro rate them after that.
The 12 volts worked great and yes they failed but I ended up with well over 6 years for only $130
Our current rv has the two 6 volts and still working after 5 years
 

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You defaulted to ass Hole with that take wizard.
If anyone is an A hole it’s you that want to tell everyone what to do and start calling names. That makes you more right.

People have c pacs, hook up to kidney machines - not everyone’s batteries hold up and lots of other reasons.
Those little Honda’s dont bother anyone.
I’m no asshole you are.
People run their sand vehicles all night long never a problem.
 
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Those little Honda’s dont bother anyone.
I’m no asshole fuckball

Your assumption that what you are doing doesn't bother anybody and your unwillingness to even attempt to understand that it might by definition makes you an asshole. ;)
 

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When we dry camp, it's a non stop orchestra of generators running, no biggie. I don't run mine at night, but many do, it's never bugged me.
 

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What does she do during the day? I happen to have a family member who needs an oxygen concentrator also. Powers up for about 9 hours on battery. If your family member needs oxygen more pure than that thing produces, I hope there's no smoking in your rig because it'll be the RV version of the Hindenburg otherwise.

Again, my issue is with having consideration for others. When people have a reasonable expectation of a quiet camping environment (as supported by the laws in place) and would like to enjoy the place with their families, it's a problem when someone else comes in with disregard for that. If you have a legitimate medical need and there is in fact an exception to the law accommodating that, then have at it, hoss. Otherwise and even then, people need to be considerate of the fact that sound carries out there for a good long way and it could have an impact on others trying to enjoy the place also.
It's a birth defect, and don't worry nobody smokes. We camp on the busiest pads 3.5 and 5 and never had one person complain. I guess they either have compassion or they just aren't bothered by it, And when has Gecko Rd ever been quiet, that might be the funniest thing I have heard today.
 

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:rolleyes: Spoken like one of the true modern Glamis assholes that have ruined the place with the "I'm going to do what I'm going to do and you can deal with it" attitude. No consideration for others. A shining example of what's wrong with society today. Well done, TPC!

Not that TPC needs any help with idiotic statements like this but you actually need to go camp with the TPC crew before you spout off with your 'holier than thou' bullshit
 

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I ran two of the biggest 12 volt car batteries from walmart when they had the 3 year free replacement. They used to only be about $65 too.
I think they caught on and raised the prices but still have 3 year free and pro rate them after that.
The 12 volts worked great and yes they failed but I ended up with well over 6 years for only $130
Our current rv has the two 6 volts and still working after 5 years
Yep, best way to roll.
 

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Not that TPC needs any help with idiotic statements like this but you actually need to go camp with the TPC crew before you spout off with your 'holier than thou' bullshit

So I can listen to his generator constantly and probably yours too? Pass.
 

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Doesn’t bother me. People are up all night running their off road vehicles and music, a tiny quiet Honda isn’t bothering anyone.


Yea If Im in the desert I dont really care about a genny running, like Ross mentioned, there is Mariachi music usually blaring all night and BRAPP BRAPPS...

But if I paid $88 a night in Carpinteria on the beach row and gotta listen to someones contractor genset blaring off, now im pissed! LOL
 

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Back to batteries...

I found this great chart from Trojan that show how they rate their batteries. Both of these plots are for the same chemistry (flooded lead-acid). The difference is in the internal plate construction (as I mentioned in my earlier post). The thin plate 12V "deep cycle/starting" batteries are the tan curve. The red curve shows the thick plate "golf cart" style batteries. As you can see, the "golf cart" style batteries will give a much longer service life. Doesn't get more apples-to-apples than this.

Example: For the case where you want a battery to last, say 500 cycles. You can discharge the 12V style to around 50%. The 6V style is off the chart and probably around 95%. I.e. You can use half of the 12V "deep cycle" capacity. You can use nearly all of the 6V "golf cart" capacity. That is what I mean when I say "usable capacity".

Convinced yet?

Note that real world results are going to allow for way less cycles because the way we charge and maintain these batteries is far from ideal (high current without long "soak" periods).

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linky to Trojan:
https://www.trojanbattery.com/products/deep-cycle-flooded/signature-line-flooded-2/

edit: I just realized the chart is actually for Trojan's true deep cycle 12V batteries. The 12V "deep cycle/starting" batteries are going to be quite a bit worse. I will leave the chart up though as it show what happens as you thin out the lead plates.
 
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You will never hear his and I will bring a few cheapy construction ones just for you, damm you are a whiney fuck

And you are apparently just a fuck who doesn't care about how your actions might affect others. A shining example of what is wrong with society. I can see why you camp with TPC.

Back to batteries, gents. OP's thread has been hijacked enough. Maybe some of you will learn how to set up your systems properly so you can go more than 60 minutes without having to fire up your ego-booster.
 

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Everybody always has an excuse.

Does the law give you an exception for medical devices? Is there no amount of batteries that could power an oxygen concentrator overnight?

Seems like it's just easier for you to inconvenience others rather than get set up properly according to your particular situation...

We are talking about Desert camping here. If you are in an area that is noisy, by all means, move on! We all know the busy areas! The "NO GENNY" courtesy is NOT assumed when in the Desert, plain and simple. There is so much wide open that its your camps responsibility to be far enough away from others.

Now if someone comes up, parks and camps on top of you, then a courtesy chat may be in order.
 

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And you are apparently just a fuck who doesn't care about how your actions might affect others. A shining example of what is wrong with society. I can see why you camp with TPC.

Back to batteries, gents. OP's thread has been hijacked enough. Maybe some of you will learn how to set up your systems properly so you can go more than 60 minutes without having to fire up your ego-booster.

So wrong in so many ways...... who let the liberal on here?
 

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I personally use 2 6vlt deep cycle as that is what they truly are - deep cycle. MY VOTE - CROWN BATTERIES - More lead and more acid! Better then Trojans.

I have solar and wired it myself so yes it charges 100% and then some every day sun or clouds, winter or summer - just park with panels facing sw. I also run a CPAP machine all night long and works just fine on batteries.

I too have a generator for when it gets too hot and gotta kick on the AC. Just put earplugs in and go back to sleep :)
 

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6 volt batteries in golf Carts are ridden harder than hookers yet still survive. Thats the real value.

Also when I was compared batteries with similar price point the 6 volt volts had about 15% more capacity..

The trojan 12 volt in my boat is a nice piece just pricey
 
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Your assumption that what you are doing doesn't bother anybody and your unwillingness to even attempt to understand that it might by definition makes you an asshole. ;)

You have never met TPC. He would be the first to turn off his stuff if someone asked him!
 

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Some of you guys have some really sensitive hearing. I did not realize your could hear a Honda generator for more than a 50 feet so that its loud enough to disturb you.

That some super serious bionic hearing if you can. You should get that checked. Maybe contact the military.

Or maybe I need my hearing checked cuz I am deaf. FML
 

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Some of you guys have some really sensitive hearing. I did not realize your could hear a Honda generator for more than a 50 feet so that its loud enough to disturb you.

That some super serious bionic hearing if you can. You should get that checked. Maybe contact the military.

Or maybe I need my hearing checked cuz I am deaf. FML
Personally I have a 2000 watt Yamaha inverter ego booster, it's so loud I can't hear the crickets over it.:p
 

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Everybody always has an excuse.

Does the law give you an exception for medical devices? Is there no amount of batteries that could power an oxygen concentrator overnight?

Seems like it's just easier for you to inconvenience others rather than get set up properly according to your particular situation...

Wow, you hate the shit out of generators
 

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then its an apples to oranges comparison.

what matters is the total AH capacity of the battery system as a whole. a 6v battery is nothing more then 3 two volt cells internally connected to make 6v. a 12v batter is just 6 cells. so taking two 6v batteries and making 12....makes zero difference. but that type of battery based on its construction and intended use makes all the difference in the world.
it's the plates inside...notice that a 6 volt battery is the size of a 12v, that why they have the storage capacity...antother problem with rv battery's they gey over charged, and that boils the water out... and that's why there's not much warranty
 

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I also hate fuc'n generators...I park out in the north 40 to get away from all the fuc'n newbe hey lams... stayed at gecko once... the fuck'n ice truck with the ringing bell was enough for me.... I'm like , really,... none of these fuc'n know it alls brought Ice????
 

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So many people get all confused and don't do proper math when making this change. Yes the heavy 6v batteries are a little more tolerant of abuse but are still not indestructible. High quality 12v will perform about the same under adverse conditions. Where I find all of this amusing is with the people who repeatedly try to tell me that they have twice the Ah as me and my 12v. Simply put they are just adding the advertised Ah's on their batteries, what they are not doing is then dividing that by the step up in voltage. There is no free lunch here. If you double the voltage from 6-12 you will need to divide the Ah by 2.

12v system = 2 batteries at 100ah each means 200ah
6v system= 2 batteries at 200ah each does not give you 400ah that everybody believes, because you are wired in series to jump the voltage, you need to half the ah meaning only the same 200ah.

Generally the people who are claiming miracles when they switched started with junk. In reality the chemistry is the same between both voltages meaning you should have the same safe drawdown (% wise) from either voltage. Many people are getting the cheapest 12v "deep cycle" they can and then upgrading to decent 6v when they do this.

I know, I know, I am now going to be told that I don't know what I am talking about and they personally swapped to 6v and gained 40 days of run time over the 18 hours they had before and that I am just a fool. Unfortunately, the science of what I said supports me and the math. Flame on.......
I just bought two new 6v batterys for my desert coach....121 min @ 75 amps.... so 2 in series at 12volts is only 121 min @ 75 amp????
 

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I just bought two new 6v batterys for my desert coach....121 min @ 75 amps.... so 2 in series at 12volts is only 121 min @ 75 amp????

Correct. Wired in series does not increase capacity but increases voltage. Wired in parallel increases capacity, but not voltage. You could get (4) 6V batteries, 2 each in parallel, and wire those 2 banks in series. That would give you 12V at around 240mins
 

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I also hate fuc'n generators...I park out in the north 40 to get away from all the fuc'n newbe hey lams... stayed at gecko once... the fuck'n ice truck with the ringing bell was enough for me.... I'm like , really,... none of these fuc'n know it alls brought Ice????

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Correct. Wired in series does not increase capacity but increases voltage. Wired in parallel increases capacity, but not voltage. You could get (4) 6V batteries, 2 each in parallel, and wire those 2 banks in series. That would give you 12V at around 240mins
then why use 6v batterys???? so you're say'n 75amps at 6volt is the same as 37 amps at 12v?
 

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that's gonna be my science project... take two 6volts, in series,.. and two 12volts in parallel , hook up a 10 amp fan motor to each...
 

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then why use 6v batterys???? so you're say'n 75amps at 6volt is the same as 37 amps at 12v?

The are more durable, and you’ll get more amp hours out of them than a 12V battery.

With (2) 6 volts batteries you can wire them for double the capacity or double the voltage. Not both.
 

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"in addition, if you have only two batteries, placing them in series provides a more effective charging capability and assuming that the physical size of the two batteries (12V or 6V) is about the same, you will have roughly the same amount of power capacity in watts with either configuration. But series cells will all charge to full capacity even if one is not as good condition as the others, while parallel cells will only charge to the level of the weakest cell. There is a lot of battery theory involved in this sort of debate and not all of us who are educated in electrical theory agree. But based upon my own experience, I consider the paired 6V a better choice, but the difference is not a major one. As others have mentioned, it is partly a matter of the availability of the highest quality of deep cycle batteries. Because they are used in most golf carts, they are very easy to find while the pure deep cycle 12V battery can be more difficult."
 

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so basicly, (2) 6volt true deep cycle batterys in series equal 1 true deep cycle 12 volt battery..
 

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so basicly, (2) 6volt true deep cycle batterys in series equal 1 true deep cycle 12 volt battery..


You can get more amp hours out of a dual 6v setup vs a 12v generally, because the 6v batteries are available in larger capacities.

So 2 6v can potentially give you more capacity than 2 12v, for cheaper.
 
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that's gonna be my science project... take two 6volts, in series,.. and two 12volts in parallel , hook up a 10 amp fan motor to each...

Save yourself the time. There's a law that already covered it for you.
 

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Lololol. Complaining about a 60-70 db genset in the desert, while pg&e is allowed to kill hundreds of people, thousands of homes , and 100's of thousands of forests, with no consequences. Liberal tree hugging programmed union sheep at its finest.
 

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if you have a I/2 gallon of water in one jug, and 2 quart jugs of water.... both are 1/2 a gallon.... true 12volt batterys are big and harder to find, my alpine had two of them... you would have to have 4 6volt wired series parrell to equal 2 true deep cycle batterys wired parallel ...
 

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Lololol. Complaining about a 60-70 db genset in the desert, while pg&e is allowed to kill hundreds of people, thousands of homes , and 100's of thousands of forests, with no consequences. Liberal tree hugging programmed union sheep at its finest.
here's the problem I have with people running gens, no consideration to others...I try to park away from others so I can do what I want when I want... that's the reason to go camping for me...I have been out away from others and sure enough... here comes this guy with 4 kids that are are camp racing little quads around my motor home... then he gets out his home depot gen... puts it as far away from his rig... right next to mine..and runs it all night..no matter what others do, as soon as you point it out, the fights on..common sense tells you the most irritating noise is other peoples noise...you don't hear your dog barking as much as you do someone elses...as far as Dumont and glamis, you get what you came for.. the crowd...and the irritation... that's why I don't go there.... I hate the sound of my own gas gen... so everyone else's is even worse..

what I wanna do is make my gasser rv more like my dp rv....be able to get off the grid and enjoy peace and quiet...you wanna make noise... go away off on your own...of corse, that doesn't work for the hey-lams...
 
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