4 seat speed UTV

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(Just a coincidence this guy has orange hair)


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Lol you have more memes than I have posts in here.

 

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For some real information -

Coming out of the Havasu testing they made the following changes-

Primary clutch bimetal bushing tolerance - they locked up a primary in testing and traced it back to the sliding bushing.

Ratcheting shifter assembly adjustment - they had some of the pins in the assembly back out, they have addressed that change already

Making the production oil cooler slightly larger.

They said the car that jumped had stock shocks. The stock shocks have 19 stages of damping up front.

The turbo test car they raced at UTVWC had over 10k miles on it.

The car his son Max raced had a lot of the short wheelbase Speed Baja Bandit suspension parts on it.

 

[riverroyal]

Right?!
I can recall not that long ago selling expensive high end vehicles at $40k that were utilized daily.

I remember. I bought them from you!

 

[DLC]

This is just some random thinking…

I found some stats and they are a few years old 2018-

App 325,000 sxs were sold in 2018, can am stated they had an increase of 8% of that 325,000 that’s about 26,000 units ( basic math ) they stated they were 3rd largest manufacturer in 2018, I didn’t find any total sold units for can am. Can am has 4200 dealers and generates about 6-8 Billion annually

the total units sold have gone up in 2019 and probably decreased some due to Covid in 2020 and in 2021 who knows with material shortages….

so let’s just say…

IF in 2018 speed made 15,000 cars and sold them ALL the total sxs sold would have been 340,000. Speed would have had a 4.4 % of the market

obliviously this is all hypothetical and I was curious to see what percentage of market Speed would have. There are a lot of IF’s

I don’t see Speed becoming a top player in market shares in the near future ( they STILL Have to PRODUCE & SELL car #1 ) I think they will a more boutique type car for the aggressive weekend warrior type driver

YES THIS POST IS ALL BS !! But interesting to think about

KTM changed (advanced ) the motorcycle market a few years back and everyone is/ was riding orange, maybe speed can change or have an impact on the sxs market like KTM did

 

[riverroyal]

This is just some random thinking…

I found some stats and they are a few years old 2018-

App 325,000 sxs were sold in 2018, can am stated they had an increase of 8% of that 325,000 that’s about 26,000 units ( basic math ) they stated they were 3rd largest manufacturer in 2018, I didn’t find any total sold units for can am. Can am has 4200 dealers and generates about 6-8 Billion annually

the total units sold have gone up in 2019 and probably decreased some due to Covid in 2020 and in 2021 who knows with material shortages….

so let’s just say…

IF in 2018 speed made 15,000 cars and sold them ALL the total sxs sold would have been 340,000. Speed would have had a 4.4 % of the market

obliviously this is all hypothetical and I was curious to see what percentage of market Speed would have. There are a lot of IF’s

I don’t see Speed becoming a top player in market shares in the near future ( they STILL Have to PRODUCE & SELL car #1 ) I think they will a more boutique type car for the aggressive weekend warrior type driver

YES THIS POST IS ALL BS !! But interesting to think about

KTM changed (advanced ) the motorcycle market a few back and everyone was riding orange, maybe speed can change or have an impact on the sxs market like KTM did

Now if KTM makes a SXS im getting on the list. Just saying

 

[outboard_256]

KTM changed (advanced ) the motorcycle market a few years back and everyone is/ was riding orange, maybe speed can change or have an impact on the sxs market like KTM did

KTM has been around since atleast the 90's. Several people in my group had them in the late 90's and early 00's. They were ok bikes but parts were super expensive. They didn't start to get popular until recently. Took KTM 10-20 years before they started to take any market share. Could speed do that in 10 years, maybe. Can they do that in the first year, nope.

 

[DLC]

KTM took the market around the time they bought out Huasberg and Husky. A lot of R&D in those companies

I have a 03 husberg Fe 501.
KTM wasn’t the cheapest bikes to buy but they have had the biggest impact in the off road motorcycle market

 

[WhatExit?]

Lol you have more memes than I have posts in here.

That's funny bordering on delusional. You probably have 20% of the posts in this thread

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That's funny bordering on delusional. You probably have 20% of the posts in this thread

Since you only speak in meme I wouldn’t expect you to get sarcasm... carry on.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

This is just some random thinking…

I found some stats and they are a few years old 2018-

App 325,000 sxs were sold in 2018, can am stated they had an increase of 8% of that 325,000 that’s about 26,000 units ( basic math ) they stated they were 3rd largest manufacturer in 2018, I didn’t find any total sold units for can am. Can am has 4200 dealers and generates about 6-8 Billion annually

the total units sold have gone up in 2019 and probably decreased some due to Covid in 2020 and in 2021 who knows with material shortages….

so let’s just say…

IF in 2018 speed made 15,000 cars and sold them ALL the total sxs sold would have been 340,000. Speed would have had a 4.4 % of the market

obliviously this is all hypothetical and I was curious to see what percentage of market Speed would have. There are a lot of IF’s

I don’t see Speed becoming a top player in market shares in the near future ( they STILL Have to PRODUCE & SELL car #1 ) I think they will a more boutique type car for the aggressive weekend warrior type driver

YES THIS POST IS ALL BS !! But interesting to think about

KTM changed (advanced ) the motorcycle market a few years back and everyone is/ was riding orange, maybe speed can change or have an impact on the sxs market like KTM did

Fun info to think about, and sales only shot up from there and I believe through most of 2020 (would be interesting to see those numbers). A great illustration of why Polaris and Can Am aren’t going to bother even responding or acknowledging Speed who has 1 high end car in a niche category at the highest price point, and probably the lowest margins.

 

[WhatExit?]

Since you only speak in meme I wouldn’t expect you to get sarcasm... carry on.

The difference between cynicism, skepticism, criticism, and sarcasm

“I’m getting a Speed car soon!”

A cynic replies, “don’t get ahead of yourself- they still have to make it”

A skeptic replies, “there’s no way they'll bring them to market.”

A critic replies, “yes, but will it have bolts in the welds?”

A sarcastic person replies, “Oh, I thought you had to have money to get a spot in line”

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The difference between cynicism, skepticism, criticism, and sarcasm

“I’m getting a Speed car soon!”

A cynic replies, “don’t get ahead of yourself- they still have to make it”

A skeptic replies, “there’s no way they'll bring them to market.”

A critic replies, “yes, but will it have bolts in the welds?”

A sarcastic person replies, “Oh, I thought you had to have money to get a spot in line”

Sounds like the sarcastic person is the only one that knows anything.

 

[RiverDave]

The difference between cynicism, skepticism, criticism, and sarcasm

“I’m getting a Speed car soon!”

A cynic replies, “don’t get ahead of yourself- they still have to make it”

A skeptic replies, “there’s no way they'll bring them to market.”

A critic replies, “yes, but will it have bolts in the welds?”

A sarcastic person replies, “Oh, I thought you had to have money to get a spot in line”

Lol that actually made me laugh

 

[RiverDave]

LOF - "I have the most posts on the Speed RDP thread"

1Carl - "Hold my beer"

So did that lol

 

[1Carl]

You’re laughing now but wait until production line starts up and speed UTVs start winning races. You’ll wish you had a preorder number for 1. Check with me and if price is right I might sell you one. I picked up 2 more early preorder units today, That makes me 6 now. 4 El Jefes, 2 Diablo, 0 bandit.

 

[riverroyal]

Im not sure i agree with speed allowing individuals to buy and sell spots for profit.
It just seems strange for a product not even finished.

If i buy spot 35 and speed never produces a car and i pay the individual a mark up premium then what...im out the money.
I dunno, just not a risk i would take personally. Especially with a the dates that have come and gone.
They are still making trans and engine adjustments. This thing is not going to have a shelf of power plants ready for another 6 months.

Walking into a dealership and buying that day will be 3 years from now.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I'm not sure why anyone wants to pay a huge premium to buy a guinea pig.
To each their own but if I were interested, I'd prefer to purchase after the inevitable bugs are further worked out.

 

[WhatExit?]

Sounds like the sarcastic person is the only realist. Too bad you can understand him.

You’re laughing now but wait until production line starts up and speed UTVs start winning races. You’ll wish you had a preorder number for 1. Check with me and if price is right I might sell you one. I picked up 2 more early preorder units today, That makes me 6 now. 4 El Jefes, 2 Diablo, 0 bandit.

When should we check with you - what month? What year?

 

[riverroyal]

I'm not sure why anyone wants to pay a huge premium to buy a guinea pig.
To each their own but if I were interested, I'd prefer to purchase after the inevitable bugs are further worked out.

This. Ive said it mamy times. Im a buyer eventually. Let the early guys be the testers

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

When should we check with you - what month? What year?

You’ll be the first to know as you keep coming back in here for updates.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I'm not sure why anyone wants to pay a huge premium to buy a guinea pig.
To each their own but if I were interested, I'd prefer to purchase after the inevitable bugs are further worked out.

That’s what warranties are for I guess?

I wouldn’t pay an uplift personally, but people pay ADMs on cars all the time and lose their ass on the resale.

We got a steep discount for being the guinea pigs. Time will tell if it was worth it or not. There is always someone that will pay to be first in line for the newest, latest, and greatest.

 

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Im not sure i agree with speed allowing individuals to buy and sell spots for profit.
It just seems strange for a product not even finished.

If i buy spot 35 and speed never produces a car and i pay the individual a mark up premium then what...im out the money.
I dunno, just not a risk i would take personally. Especially with a the dates that have come and gone.
They are still making trans and engine adjustments. This thing is not going to have a shelf of power plants ready for another 6 months.

Walking into a dealership and buying that day will be 3 years from now.

What does Speed have to do with a transaction that happens outside their transaction for a vehicle at a set price?People sell “spots” for cars that have not came out yet all the time.

If you don’t like the risks, wait and see and buy one for $45k in a couple years. All the top line SXS are going be $45k in a couple years....

 

[riverroyal]

What does Speed have to do with a transaction that happens outside their transaction for a vehicle at a set price?People sell “spots” for cars that have not came out yet all the time.

If you don’t like the risks, wait and see and buy one for $45k in a couple years. All the top line SXS are going be $45k in a couple years....

Nothing. I just wouldnt buy a spot like that

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Nothing. I just wouldnt buy a spot like that

Would you buy a spot period in a situation like this for no markup?

Well you said you don’t know if you agree with Speed “letting this happen” which is why I asked.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

That’s what warranties are for I guess?

I wouldn’t pay an uplift personally, but people pay ADMs on cars all the time and lose their ass on the resale.

We got a steep discount for being the guinea pigs. Time will tell if it was worth it or not. There is always someone that will pay to be first in line for the newest, latest, and greatest.

What is the warranty on the Speed car?

You've also acknowledged the likelihood of a dearth of replacement parts while they are still in the early stages of production.

I'm pretty conservative so for me it's prove it and then maybe you'll get my money.

 

[WhatExit?]

You’ll be the first to know as you keep coming back in here for updates.

No, I keep coming back here to see your response to every post

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

What is the warranty on the Speed car?

You've also acknowledged the likelihood of a dearth of replacement parts while they are still in the early stages of production.

I'm pretty conservative so for me it's prove it and then maybe you'll get my money.

Up to 2 years if you purchase the extended coverage that also covers the car at the 300HP level. 6 months is the stock base warranty

Yea I wouldn’t rely on parts being immediately available especially given supply chain constraints.

I am generally very conservative with this type of stuff as well. The discount and the promise of not having to spend another $10-$15k on the “buildup” is what swayed me.

I will admit I’m pretty much sold on the suspension and chassis. I’m not that worried about that stuff. Those components have been in testing for approaching 18 months. It is the drivetrain and electronics where the risks are as I see it.

 

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No, I keep coming back here to see your response to every post

Exactly.

 

[riverroyal]

Would you buy a spot period in a situation like this for no markup?

Well you said you don’t know if you agree with Speed letting this happen, which is why I asked.

Yes. I dont think speed should allow people to profit off a product that is not produced yet.
Thats just me though.
This is allowing individuals to turn buying speed spots into a business, i think thats bad for off road enthusiasts.
1carl has no interest posting here other than profit.

Again, i would never pay over the original price of a spot.

 

[riverroyal]

Up to 2 years if you purchase the extended coverage that also covers the car at the 300HP level. 6 months is the stock base warranty

Yea I wouldn’t rely on parts being immediately available especially given supply chain constraints.

I am generally very conservative with this type of stuff as well. The discount and the promise of not having to spend another $10-$15k on the “buildup” is what swayed me.

I will admit I’m pretty much sold on the suspension and chassis. I’m not that worried about that stuff. Those components have been in testing for approaching 18 months. It is the drivetrain and electronics where the risks are as I see it.

This, you will not be upgrading suspension. It will be dialed right away.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Up to 2 years if you purchase the extended coverage that also covers the car at the 300HP level. 6 months is the stock base warranty

Yea I wouldn’t rely on parts being immediately available especially given supply chain constraints.

I am generally very conservative with this type of stuff as well. The discount and the promise of not having to spend another $10-$15k on the “buildup” is what swayed me.

I will admit I’m pretty much sold on the suspension and chassis. I’m not that worried about that stuff. Those components have been in testing for approaching 18 months. It is the drivetrain and electronics where the risks are as I see it.

Most definitely.
Chassis and suspension repairs can be fabbed by a quality shop if needed.
Like you said though, motor, trans, electronics are an issue if they're out of business in 2-3-4 years.

 

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Yes. I dont think speed should allow people to profit off a product that is not produced yet.
Thats just me though.
This is allowing individuals to turn buying speed spots into a business, i think thats bad for off road enthusiasts.
1carl has no interest posting here other than profit.

Again, i would never pay over the original price of a spot.

So if it existed would you have a different opinion? People sell their Raptor “spots” for profit, not to mention the dealers that mark them up. People sell houses that aren’t built yet for profit.

There is also nothing stopping anyone from buying a spot at MSRP at the back of the line either, which is FAR better than the car dealer model.

I’m just trying to understand your rationale.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

This, you will not be upgrading suspension. It will be dialed right away.

Suspension upgrades, seats, harnesses, cage, wheels, tires, roof, spare tire mount.. if I can get away without spending that $10k and the car has no major issues, I’ll be happy. Bolt in the cage or not.

 

[riverroyal]

You can buy a raptor over market, im not.
Like i said im not spending my money on a non existing product and lining a middle mans picket.
The back of the line right now would be a delivery in 36 months.

My opinion at this point is there is a 20% chance these never get delivered.
There is still a risk, so my money is not going to a private party with no recourse.

The raw material industry is going to be brutal next year.
If speed has a 30% margin on these from starting the sale 2 years ago they are going to make zero for a very long time. The math will catch up.

Also i have no rational thinking.

1carl bragging about having 6 now apparently rubbed me the wrong way. All profit so others will pay over market. Thanks for gouging your fellow off road enthusiasts.
Maybe i should order a few howards and sell the day i get them for a profit. Mike and the late gene wouldnt allow this. Robbie would.

Im also pissed because of this baseball game. Lol

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You can buy a raptor over market, im not.
Like i said im not spending my money on a non existing product and lining a middle mans picket.
The back of the line right now would be a delivery in 36 months.

My opinion at this point is there is a 20% chance these never get delivered.
There is still a risk, so my money is not going to a private party with no recourse.

The raw material industry is going to be brutal next year.
If speed has a 30% margin on these from starting the sale 2 years ago they are going to make zero for a very long time. The math will catch up.

Also i have no rational thinking.

1carl bragging about having 6 now apparently rubbed me the wrong way. All profit so others will pay over market. Thanks for gouging your fellow off road enthusiasts.
Maybe i should order a few howards and sell the day i get them for a profit. Mike and the late gene wouldnt allow this. Robbie would.

Im also pissed because of this baseball game. Lol

Once the first few of these get delivered the MSRP is going up again for sure.

I’m at like a 1% these don’t get delivered. Too many sales at this point to NOT deliver and the car is too close. No one walks away from half a billion in sales with a product that is 99% complete.

Unless they can’t get raw materials materials I don’t see it taking 3 years to deliver a years worth of cars, Hisun makes a ton of shit and obviously has material suppliers. That is not to say there won’t be material shortages, but Speed does have some economies of scale working for them.

 

[riverroyal]

My point was is theres 15000 sold and i got on the list at 15001 its going to be a while. If you or RD want to sell me your extra spot late next year we can talk. Ha.
Speed and hisun should have material locked in for the first few 1000.
Once they start going that factory is not going to slow. Hisun is not who they are by starting and stopping. Theres no money doing it that way and at the end of the day this is just manufacturing for them.

Side note, whens your next trip out?

 

[702sandman]

You’re laughing now but wait until production line starts up and speed UTVs start winning races. You’ll wish you had a preorder number for 1. Check with me and if price is right I might sell you one. I picked up 2 more early preorder units today, That makes me 6 now. 4 El Jefes, 2 Diablo, 0 bandit.

He hasn’t won shit in a sxs !!! why is this any different ??

 

[TPC]

Impressive and reason enough to consider one:

 

[1Carl]

Don’t take your junk to desert. Lol

 

[1Carl]

And another one bites the dust.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

And another one bites the dust.

Time to invest in a kinetic rope….

 

[riverroyal]

Don’t take your junk to desert. Lol

Junk?

 

[1Carl]

These are base models. Bandit you can get 72” wide. Same suspension and 300HP with speed key. $30K or $32k with $1500 deposit. You’ll be back of line but price is locked.

 

[1Carl]

Speeds policy is when you put down a deposit it is non-refundable but transferable. Some people have different life priorities now as maybe they lost their job, had children, need to buy a home, maybe a new automobile, etc… so they decide to sell their spot for their asking price. You can buy a base model and upgrade to a LE or RG for the price difference at the time the car was originally sold, some over a year ago or more. Or you can change a base model to a Diablo or El Jefe or vise versa. You can add or remove options to make it your UTV and choose your wrap colors. During that sales time for instance the RG El Jefe has increased almost $7K due to better standard equipment, upgraded components, and some costs increases maybe due to Covid such as shipping costs. Sometimes you must pay a seller markup to get an earlier Master Number but you won’t be at back of line. I have paid markup on most of my purchases. Some dealers have already sold 20+ UTVs. Most people buy from speed UTV.com online. The first 800 cars are going to be El Jefe, 4 seater.

 

[1Carl]

This is the top RG model 4 seat, comes with radio, window nets, etc.. all options you select for build are installed during assembly.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Oh Carl

 

[riverroyal]

Junk?

Junk?

 

[1Carl]

Well it was brand new machine and now has no front end. Lol. All mounting points on speed are double sheer. Everything was taken from racing and put into this speed UTV.

 

[1Carl]

Where did everyone go, they must’ve left to go pray that Polaris will give them something in the R Model tomorrow. Buy some extra tissues. Lol

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I was out breaking my RZR the last few days.