4 seat speed UTV

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Negative. I’m sure you have not run UTV tires on your bajas, class 11s and jeeps with soft suspension and 18 + inches of travel.

People have been jeeping and off roading in washes with spools for decades, and you’ve never seen the washboards before. You said it’s the UTVs causing the bumps, so it’s not just the rear spools. It’s the tires and suspension.

Thank you.

“Some experts (ha ha ha) who maintain dirt roads say that your car's suspension system causes the problem as it actually tries to smooth out the bumps in the road [source: U.S. Forest Service]. As a wheel moves over a bump, the suspension system absorbs the shock and then pushes back against the road surface. On a soft surface like a dirt road, the push back either packs or displaces the dirt it hits. Over time, as more and more cars go over the bump, the washboard pattern develops.

However, in the summer of 2009, physicists from Canada, France and the United Kingdom published a new study about the physics of washboard road formation. They discovered that ripples will form, even when the springy suspension of a car and the rolling shape of a wheel are eliminated [source: American Physical Society].

They built an experimental vehicle, replacing the wheel with a suspension rolling over a road with a simple inclined plow blade, without any spring or suspension, dragging over a bed of dry sand. Ripples appear when the plow moves above a certain speed.
After observing the results, they compared this phenomenon to the physics of stone skipping: A stone needs to be thrown above a specific speed in order to have enough force to bounce of the surface. A washboarding plow is similar, except the sandy surface remembers its shape and the effect is amplified.

They concluded that the formation of a washboard pattern is inevitable. The ridges will form, even if the wheel diameter, suspension or surface is changed. The only way to avoid the effects of a washboard road is to stay below a certain speed, but that's impractical: you'd usually have to drive at 3 miles per hour (4.83 kilometers per hour) to eliminate the problem altogether.”

What Causes Washboard Roads?

If you've ever driven down a dirt road, you may have noticed a strange rippling effect that causes your car bump up and down. This is known as a washboard road. How do they come about?

adventure.howstuffworks.com

 

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“Some experts (ha ha ha) who maintain dirt roads say that your car's suspension system causes the problem as it actually tries to smooth out the bumps in the road [source: U.S. Forest Service]. As a wheel moves over a bump, the suspension system absorbs the shock and then pushes back against the road surface. On a soft surface like a dirt road, the push back either packs or displaces the dirt it hits. Over time, as more and more cars go over the bump, the washboard pattern develops.

However, in the summer of 2009, physicists from Canada, France and the United Kingdom published a new study about the physics of washboard road formation. They discovered that ripples will form, even when the springy suspension of a car and the rolling shape of a wheel are eliminated [source: American Physical Society].

They built an experimental vehicle, replacing the wheel with a suspension rolling over a road with a simple inclined plow blade, without any spring or suspension, dragging over a bed of dry sand. Ripples appear when the plow moves above a certain speed.
After observing the results, they compared this phenomenon to the physics of stone skipping: A stone needs to be thrown above a specific speed in order to have enough force to bounce of the surface. A washboarding plow is similar, except the sandy surface remembers its shape and the effect is amplified.

They concluded that the formation of a washboard pattern is inevitable. The ridges will form, even if the wheel diameter, suspension or surface is changed. The only way to avoid the effects of a washboard road is to stay below a certain speed, but that's impractical: you'd usually have to drive at 3 miles per hour (4.83 kilometers per hour) to eliminate the problem altogether.”

What Causes Washboard Roads?

If you've ever driven down a dirt road, you may have noticed a strange rippling effect that causes your car bump up and down. This is known as a washboard road. How do they come about?

adventure.howstuffworks.com

So you are saying it’s not the CVT belt?

That makes sense. The dirt is not a solid or consistent surface and will deform when you run anything over it at speed.

I’m guessing the “more” suspension you have the quicker the rusts can form.

Great use of our tax dollars there
2009... this must have been one of those “shovel ready” jobs Obama talked about.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Im dying to get in the dirt.

Thank you. Personally im not jumping amything like that.
A havasu set up would be sweet

Maybe they just turned the knobs on the setup they already had.. but who knows.

 

[Blackmagic94]

He’s saying those aren’t stock valved or stock sprung shocks.

I doubt any of the other stuff was stock either lol. The car was dialed in for sure.

 

[Blackmagic94]

So you are saying it’s not the CVT belt?

That makes sense. The dirt is not a solid or consistent surface and will deform when you run anything over it at speed.

I’m guessing the “more” suspension you have the quicker the rusts can form.

Great use of our tax dollars there
2009... this must have been one of those “shovel ready” jobs Obama talked about.

Sounds like natural frequency to me lol

 

[ArizonaKevin]

I think the biggest difference in how the speed landed is the ground clearance at full bump. Dragging the frame on landing makes everything look/feel worse

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Of all the cars taking the jump, the speed car looked like he was on a sofa.
and one of few that didnt end up broke

By golly you're right.
Who would have thought that a video filmed by/for Speed, edited by/for Speed and released by/for Speed would show a Speed car in a more favorable light than non-Speed cars?
A marketing genius that Robbie.
Polaris should have thought of this.

 

[riverroyal]

By golly you're right.
Who would have thought that a video filmed by/for Speed, edited by/for Speed and released by/for Speed would show a Speed car in a more favorable light than non-Speed cars?
A marketing genius that Robbie.
Polaris should have thought of this.

you know what,,,,,your right. That was a speed made and released video. If he opens the door to Polaris and Can Am on any shit talking they we eat him alive. Thats a slippery slope for a start up business.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

you know what,,,,,your right. That was a speed made and released video. If he opens the door to Polaris and Can Am on any shit talking they we eat him alive. Thats a slippery slope for a start up business.

Well, it is Robbie "Mother F'n" Gordon here. If he pisses anyone off he'll just send them one of his billet framed 8X10 glossy's.

 

[RiverDave]

I doubt any of the other stuff was stock either lol. The car was dialed in for sure.

Well I think that’s the point.. it doesn’t really cost anymore to build a shock woth more or less dampening etc..

They are building a car that works right out of the box. So in an essence yes the car is stock? Because what that one has is ultimately what will end up in production?

 

[RiverDave]

you know what,,,,,your right. That was a speed made and released video. If he opens the door to Polaris and Can Am on any shit talking they we eat him alive. Thats a slippery slope for a start up business.

It’s becoming glaringly apparent you haven’t watched any of their videos.. pretty much all he does in their presentations is talk shit on Polaris and can am. Lol

 

[J&k beer can]

didnt see this one on here.
I dont do faceplant so not sure it will post.

Video

www.facebook.com

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

you know what,,,,,your right. That was a speed made and released video. If he opens the door to Polaris and Can Am on any shit talking they we eat him alive. Thats a slippery slope for a start up business.

Neither of them care much about Speed, and it is not going to take much market share from either of them. Polaris and Can Am are more concerned with taking market share from each other. Acknowledging Speed even exists is a waste of both companies time at this point.

 

[riverroyal]

It’s becoming glaringly apparent you haven’t watched any of their videos.. pretty much all he does in their presentations is talk shit on Polaris and can am. Lol

ha, your correct I have not seen many. Do you have something to use this winter? We need a topock run.

 

[MonkeyButt70]

This one just popped up on instagram

 

[PaPaG]

Without going through all the info on this post, when did they announce/start the build of speed car, what WAS the original supposed availability date, and when in the next 5 years are these going to be actually delivered/for sale/out in the market? I know it is tough getting something like this off the ground and will it ever really go into mass production and actually start selling units? All I hear is hype and missed production release dates....

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Without going through all the info on this post, when did they announce/start the build of speed car, what WAS the original supposed availability date, and when in the next 5 years are these going to be actually delivered/for sale/out in the market? I know it is tough getting something like this off the ground and will it ever really go into mass production and actually start selling units? All I hear is hype and missed production release dates....

Announced Sept ‘19
Advertised December ‘20 debut
My paperwork said expected release March ‘21

Car design is done, they are in the final testing phase, they are knee deep in many production parts and subassemblies. High probability we will see cars being delivered within 6 months. Could be longer, could be shorter, who knows.

There are 15k cars reserved by individuals or dealers.

These were always going to be late.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Without going through all the info on this post, when did they announce/start the build of speed car, what WAS the original supposed availability date, and when in the next 5 years are these going to be actually delivered/for sale/out in the market? I know it is tough getting something like this off the ground and will it ever really go into mass production and actually start selling units? All I hear is hype and missed production release dates....

Announced Sept ‘19
Advertised December ‘20 debut
My paperwork said expected release March ‘21

Car has way more features than were promised in Sept ‘19.

Car design is done, they are in the final testing phase, they are knee deep in many production parts and subassemblies. High probability we will see cars being delivered within 6 months. Could be longer, could be shorter, who knows.

There are 15k cars reserved by individuals or dealers.

These were always going to be late.

 

[JDKRXW]

Neither of them care much about Speed, and it is not going to take much market share from either of them. Polaris and Can Am are more concerned with taking market share from each other. Acknowledging Speed even exists is a waste of both companies time at this point.

I highly, highly doubt this is true.
The 15,000 deposits on cars that you mention above will get any potential competitor's attention.

 

[1Carl]

Announced Sept ‘19
Advertised December ‘20 debut
My paperwork said expected release March ‘21

Car has way more features than were promised in Sept ‘19.

Car design is done, they are in the final testing phase, they are knee deep in many production parts and subassemblies. High probability we will see cars being delivered within 6 months. Could be longer, could be shorter, who knows.

There are 15k cars reserved by individuals or dealers.

These were always going to be late.

Original car was modified WC XX similar car to what Max has. It was later decided to build an entire new car designed and built by Speed which lengthened the process.

 

[1Carl]

What master number you got for sale?

I have Master #35, lot of options, $80K RG El Jefe 4 seater

 

[1Carl]

Here is latest video, shows Max’s car which will be the Bandit Model and shows the Diablo and El Jefe models racing and testing

 

[1Carl]

Here is latest video, shows Max’s car which will be the Bandit Model and the Diablo model

Max started race last 36th and finished second place until speed was penalized. First race entered both speed cars finished race whereas half the other mfg modified cars broke DNF. Max’s car was naturally aspirated running in turbo class. Max is 13 years old.

 

[1Carl]

I have Master #35, lot of options, $80K RG El Jefe 4 seater

Speed is keeping first 20 production cars, so this will be 15th car made available for purchase.

 

[1Carl]

Speed is keeping first 20 production cars, so this will be 15th car made available for purchase.

I purchased another speed car yesterday Diablo LE model but I might keep that one or a El Jefe. I haven’t decided yet.

 

[riverroyal]

I have Master #35, lot of options, $80K RG El Jefe 4 seater

80k....can we go back 2700 posts ago and revisit how these speed cars are going to be cheaper than a loaded can am or polaris because it already has stuff on it in its stock configuration.

80000 jeeeezus.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I highly, highly doubt this is true.
The 15,000 deposits on cars that you mention above will get any potential competitor's attention.

Why? It certainly hasn’t to this point. That is small a fraction of what Can Am and Polaris sell in a year. They have more competition to worry about from literally every other manufacturer besides Speed, who has not yet delivered a car.

Speed makes 2 models of a top line performance car that competes with an entire lineup of cars from the competition.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

80k....can we go back 2700 posts ago and revisit how these speed cars are going to be cheaper than a loaded can am or polaris because it already has stuff on it in its stock configuration.

80000 jeeeezus.

Go to Berts and see what a stock car with a cage, wheels, tires and stickers costs.. $50k and you still have to put $20k of crap on it

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Original car was modified AC XX similar car to what Max has. It was later decided to build an entire new car designed and built by Speed which lengthened the process.

Exactly.

 

[riverroyal]

Go to Berts and see what a stock car with a cage, wheels, tires and stickers costs.. $50k and you still have to put $20k of crap on it

Still jeeezus.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Still jeeezus.

Don’t pay the markup, get in the back of the line and it costs $35k.

 

[riverroyal]

Selling at 80k, whats the amount of money in it? 65ish

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Selling at 80k, whats the amount of money in it? 65ish

It’s not selling, that’s what he’s asking. Asking price is not setting the market.

I think if you checked every option you’d have low $50s in it.

 

[yz450mm]

I doubt any of the other stuff was stock either lol. The car was dialed in for sure.

This yxz said "hold my beer..."

Almost a hundred sixty feet, handled that landing like a boss.

 

[DLC]

Oh hell ya that landing looks sic!

 

[DLC]

Initial touch down looks good…

 

[1Carl]

It’s not selling, that’s what he’s asking. Asking price is not setting the market.

I think if you checked every option you’d have low $50s in it.

Base price today is $42K plus speed key, plus options at the back of the line if you ordered today. This is RG El Jefe 4 seat model.

 

[1Carl]

80k....can we go back 2700 posts ago and revisit how these speed cars are going to be cheaper than a loaded can am or polaris because it already has stuff on it in its stock configuration.

80000 jeeeezus.

Just like people are paying $125k+ for first edition Bronco. You want to ride this season or order at back of line and ride next season. Markup is for Master #35. Should be made on day 1 or day 2.

 

[1Carl]

Speed live show tonight. Speed has numerous job openings at end for Speed HQ in Charlotte NC.

 

[1Carl]

Great presentation about shocks, suspension,and progress.

 

[1Carl]

Why? It certainly hasn’t to this point. That is small a fraction of what Can Am and Polaris sell in a year. They have more competition to worry about from literally every other manufacturer besides Speed, who has not yet delivered a car.

Speed makes 2 models of a top line performance car that competes with an entire lineup of cars from the competition.

Speed makes models, Bandit, LE, and RG in Base, Diablo, and El Jefe. So both base bandit and Diablo price is $30K now. Base El Jefe 4 seater is $32K. That’s a unbelievable steal. Who else gives you racing shocks, suspension, 300hp engine, custom wrap so many different colors and seats made for your height and weight. No one but speed.

 

[1Carl]

Speed makes models, Bandit, LE, and RG in Base, Diablo, and El Jefe. So both base bandit and Diablo price is $30K now. That’s a steal.

you know what,,,,,your right. That was a speed made and released video. If he opens the door to Polaris and Can Am on any shit talking they we eat him alive. Thats a slippery slope for a start up business.

Watch live stream tonight I posted explains everything. Look at drivers helmets when they land. Explains it all.

 

[1Carl]

Saw this yesterday in rzr forum. Razor caught fire and burned. It was new with 4 hours on it. Probably another stop ride coming.

 

[1Carl]

Release date does not mean cars are in dealers but sure.

If you don't have a deposit for a Speed car, why do you care if they produce a car at all? It is a new product and a new company and they seem to be making an attempt to produce the best car they can. Most everyone that has a deposit or has one on order is pretty satisfied with the progress. The only unsatisfied people are the ones that hate UTVs or that don't have one on order. Frankly their opinions don't really matter.

The car will be released and then sold when it is ready.. Just like the Pro R will be released when it is ready, which is in 2 weeks. The Pro R has been in development for as long or longer than the Speed Car has. To me that says something about the efficiency of the Speed program to have never produced a car and to be this far along in 2 years, creating EVERYTHING from scratch in the midst of a pandemic and supply chain crunch.

Polaris had a huge head start with the Pro R in that the engine already existed, and the interior and electronics already existed, not to mention their years of experience in UTV manufacturing. I think the Pro R will be an all around better car and will sell better. The Speed Car is going to be a niche car for a niche buyer.

I fail to understand why we are judging the 2 companies with different criteria.

When speed car gets into hands of customers and they start racing them and taking finish podiums and wins, people will take notice and demand will go up. No one wants to finish second. If the r model does have a 2000cc engine, it will most likely be classified as sand car. Who will it race against? Probably not street legal in most states unless laws gets changed.

 

[79 HUSTLER]

When speed car gets into hands of customers and they start racing them and taking finish podiums and wins, people will take notice and demand will go up. No one wants to finish second. If the r model does have a 2000cc engine, it will most likely be classified as sand car. Who will it race against? Probably not street legal in most states unless laws gets changed.

Robby, is that you???

 

[dirtslinger2]

LOF - "I have the most posts on the Speed RDP thread"

1Carl - "Hold my beer"

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

LOF - "I have the most posts on the Speed RDP thread"

1Carl - "Hold my beer"

Lol sounds like someone’s rear end is still all locked up on the washboards.

 

[Ziggy]

80k....can we go back 2700 posts ago and revisit how these speed cars are going to be cheaper than a loaded can am or polaris because it already has stuff on it in its stock configuration.

80000 jeeeezus.

Right?!
I can recall not that long ago selling expensive high end vehicles at $40k that were utilized daily.

 

[Icky]

LOF - "I have the most posts on the Speed RDP thread"

1Carl - "Hold my beer"

Maybe he started another account so he had someone to agree with him

 

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