4 seat speed UTV

[LargeOrangeFont]

Ok, so we have 3 different ideas what is the cause here. Maybe it's the suspension working against the way the transmission works, maybe I'm way wrong.
What I do know, and Dirstslinger backs it up, I've been riding the same area for close to 30 years, the washes weren't washboarded out by the buggies, jeeps, motorcycles or quads. Since SxS's bombarded every riding area, the softer areas are full of those pesky 4:" stutter bumps. I havent been to Glamis in a couple seasons now, but I'm told they start to appear in the sand after a busy weekend. Thank mother nature for erasing them every time the wind blows.

Now back to the real story... I'm excited to see the Speed car coming, and I hope it gets here soon ( I don't have a deposit) and I'm excited to see the new Polaris coming too. I hope that the chassis and suspension components of the Polaris and Can Am evolve faster than bigger motors adding more speed.

You’ve got relatively heavy cars on soft tires with low air pressure and soft suspensions Like I said, watch footage of these cars in slow motion. The soft tires are an uncontrolled spring bouncing and digging into the soft dirt.

It has nothing to to with the CVT because the Honda and Yamaha with transmissions do it too.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You mad bro?

Laughing here as usual.

 

[dirtslinger2]

I’ve created them myself in perfectly virgin washes.

Your Baja bug has a different style suspension and stiff tires Your jeep is slower and has stiffer tires.

A diff or spool does not cause your tires to bounce along a surface. The suspension and soft tires are what allows the tire to hop and begin to bounce on the surface creating valleys.

Watch footage of one in slow motion in a wash, you will see what I mean.

Wait, you know what tires are on my jeep and Baja? BTW, I have a total of 3 baja's, all with different set ups, and a Class 11 car, NONE of them cause the studder bumps.

You keep with your expert opinion, and I'll keep with my real world experience, and decades of Offroading and racing. Like it's been said by more than me, the SXS's cause those bumps.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Wait, you know what tires are on my jeep and Baja? BTW, I have a total of 3 baja's, all with different set ups, and a Class 11 car, NONE of them cause the studder bumps.

You keep with your expert opinion, and I'll keep with my real world experience, and decades of Offroading and racing. Like it's been said by more than me, the SXS's cause those bumps.

I’m sure you have not run UTV tires on your bajas, class 11s and jeeps with soft suspension and 18 + inches of travel.

People have been jeeping and off roading in washes with spools for decades, and you’ve never seen the washboards before. You said it’s the UTVs causing the bumps, so it’s not just the rear spools. It’s the tires and suspension.

Thank you.

 

[riverroyal]

Is there a catch phrase for SxS bumps?
Can we create one?

Utv herpes
Razor bumps
Economic chatter
Golf cart whoops

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Is there a catch phrase for SxS bumps?
Can we create one?

Utv herpes
Razor bumps
Economic chatter
Golf cart whoops

Ribbed for yore displeasure.

 

[riverroyal]

Ribbed for yore displeasure.

It needs to be simple
So while diving a wash you can yell it
' these fucking .............."

 

[mash on it]

It needs to be simple
So while diving a wash you can yell it
' these fucking .............."

" Speed bumps? "

Dan'l

 

[Nordie]

Washboard and whoops have always existed, not sure how you could blame that on just UTVs alone. If anything has made your sacred trails worse, is the fact that a lot of people had a lot more time on their hands the past 2 years.

I used to race dirtbikes, and going over 2-3 footers for a very long time was not uncommon.

 

[Bigbore500r]

" Speed bumps? "

Dan'l

There would need to be actual Speed cars out there to call them that..

 

[rivrrts429]

We all can bitch about UTV’s but without them Glamis and other off road areas continue to be robbed of riding areas by the environmentalists. They bring the bulk of supporting revenue.

I have quite a few friends with high end sand cars and Jeep’s. All but one own a UTV.

Best to just realize they’re here to stay and will forever outnumber the large cars. It’s not necessary to choose a side. It’s not
Politics.

It’s like me complaining about big boats in Havasu and we should go back to real boats, like flatties, that you actually have to have a level of talent to drive (which I don’t disagree with ). But the high dollar stuff keeps the enviro nuts at bay so I can appreciate them.

My prediction is the Speed cars begin rolling off the production line in June.

 

[mash on it]

There would need to be actual Speed cars out there to call them that..

My bad, but yore rite.

Dan'l

 

[ArizonaKevin]

I think the comment about washboard not being prevalent back in the day has more to do with number of vehicles more than anything. Back when I used to race (before utv) you always hoped that your group got to go first before the other classes and especially the quads and buggies because they tore up the course.

 

[702sandman]

5 or so already did...

I’d love to see a Polaris Pro R coming off of one too.

How do you know it hasn’t

 

[cakemoto]

Video of?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

How do you know it hasn’t

I’m very aware there are more Pro Rs running around than Speed cars. We’ve only “seen” one in a video though

The geniuses in this thread say if it is not in a customers hands it does not exist.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

I think Polaris has proven they can make a production UTV speed still hasent done that. All you’ve done is compare it to the pro R now witch has a release date of November 9th. When is the release date of the Speed car?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think Polaris has proven they can make a production UTV speed still hasent done that. All you’ve done is compare it to the pro R now witch has a release date of November 9th. When is the release date of the Speed car?

Release date does not mean cars are in dealers but sure.

If you don't have a deposit for a Speed car, why do you care if they produce a car at all? It is a new product and a new company and they seem to be making an attempt to produce the best car they can. Most everyone that has a deposit or has one on order is pretty satisfied with the progress. The only unsatisfied people are the ones that hate UTVs or that don't have one on order. Frankly their opinions don't really matter.

The car will be released and then sold when it is ready.. Just like the Pro R will be released when it is ready, which is in 2 weeks. The Pro R has been in development for as long or longer than the Speed Car has. To me that says something about the efficiency of the Speed program to have never produced a car and to be this far along in 2 years, creating EVERYTHING from scratch in the midst of a pandemic and supply chain crunch.

Polaris had a huge head start with the Pro R in that the engine already existed, and the interior and electronics already existed, not to mention their years of experience in UTV manufacturing. I think the Pro R will be an all around better car and will sell better. The Speed Car is going to be a niche car for a niche buyer.

I fail to understand why we are judging the 2 companies with different criteria.

 

[RiverDave]

I guess I'm in the minority. I would love to be able to pick which gear I'm gonna run, even when on a putt putt ride. Also, you know all those stuttter bumps everybody loves to bitch about?? The CVT trans is what causes those....

??

 

[ArizonaKevin]

??

I guess mountain bikes are now also being sold with CVT's

I don't understand the physics of why bumps happen in the desert, but they always seem to be at the entrance or exit of a corner. Indicating something to do with braking and/or accelerating causing it.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I guess mountain bikes are now also being sold with CVT's

I don't understand the physics of why bumps happen in the desert, but they always seem to be at the entrance or exit of a corner. Indicating something to do with braking and/or accelerating causing it.

The tire is an uncontrolled spring. Now imagine your uncontrolled spring is moving while compressing and decompressing, being held against the ground. Now imagine it also spinning and shoveling dirt. How would that not create chatter bumps and washboards?

Do bikes only see this in the corners under braking or decel or everywhere?

 

[dirtslinger2]

I guess mountain bikes are now also being sold with CVT's

I don't understand the physics of why bumps happen in the desert, but they always seem to be at the entrance or exit of a corner. Indicating something to do with braking and/or accelerating causing it.

These are actually different "bumps" than what the SXS's are creating. The SXS bumps, or RZR Bumps, are actually very close together, sharp edged, and they are staggered from one side to the other, so they are not inline/parallel with eachother on both sides of a trail. They absolutely SUCK, and not much can smooth them out when off-roading.

 

[Racey]

The tire is an uncontrolled spring. Now imagine your uncontrolled spring is moving while compressing and decompressing, being held against the ground. Now imagine it also spinning and shoveling dirt. How would that no create chatter bumps and washboards?

Do bikes only see this in the corners under braking or decel or everywhere?

The only blame for UTVs causing washboards is that because of UTVs many more people are using the roads in the desert. That's it.

I remember many trips in the early 90s to go out shooting or hiking and the washboards were horrific here outside vegas. Now maybe they seemed worse because the 1989 Suburban just didn't have great suspension and everything inside rattled.... But to your point they have always been around on any road in the desert.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

These are actually different "bumps" than what the SXS's are creating. The SXS bumps, or RZR Bumps, are actually very close together, sharp edged, and they are staggered from one side to the other, so they are not inline/parallel with eachother on both sides of a trail. They absolutely SUCK, and not much can smooth them out when off-roading.

Its the same thing, caused by the same root cause. It is just the SXS has 4 tires on 2 sides linked with a sway bar and more wheel speed.

 

[dirtslinger2]

Its the same thing, caused by the same root cause. It is just the SXS has 4 tires on 2 sides linked with a sway bar and more wheel speed.

WRONG, they are not the same, they are not whoops, they are not braking bumps, they are very specific.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The only blame for UTVs causing washboards is that because of UTVs many more people are using the roads in the desert. That's it.

I remember many trips in the early 90s to go out shooting or hiking and the washboards were horrific here outside vegas. Now maybe they seemed worse because the 1989 Suburban just didn't have great suspension and everything inside rattled.... But to your point they have always been around on any road in the desert.

Agreed. And I will say the UTVs do create their own "frequency" of ruts unique to them.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

WRONG, they are not the same, they are not whoops, they are not braking bumps, they are very specific.

Its ALL the same root cause.. An uncontrolled spring that is also a spinning shovel. Different "vehicles" create them in different ways, regardless of propulsion.

 

[Blackmagic94]

You’ve got relatively heavy cars on soft tires with low air pressure and soft suspensions Like I said, watch footage of these cars in slow motion. The soft tires are an uncontrolled spring bouncing and digging into the soft dirt.

It has nothing to to with the CVT because the Honda and Yamaha with transmissions do it too.

lol I live on a dirt road. Passenger cars cause washboard all by themselves.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

lol I live on a dirt road. Passenger cars cause washboard all by themselves.

But do your passenger cars have spools??? Those are the cause!

I agree. Every vehicle causes these washboards in some height and frequency.

 

[Blackmagic94]

The funny thing is I will mow it down with my Gannon box blade on my John Deere and it comes back a few months later in the identical spots. It’s like you can never really remove it without a D10R lol

 

[TVMNick]

Ok cool, it sounds like everyone is now in agreement that tires rolling across a non-compacted surface can cause wash boarding to occur.

Back to the real thread purpose, Speed has now had some very close to production units out running around at various events in various terrain. What does everyone think of the machines as they are seeing them today?

As Speed buyers what is attracting you to that platform over the existing offerings from Can-Am and Polaris?

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Ok cool, it sounds like everyone is now in agreement that tires rolling across a non-compacted surface can cause wash boarding to occur.

Back to the real thread purpose, Speed has now had some very close to production units out running around at various events in various terrain. What does everyone think of the machines as they are seeing them today?

As Speed buyers what is attracting you to that platform over the existing offerings from Can-Am and Polaris?

I'm not currently on the speed list, but own the car that a lot of the chassis components for this car was based on. The reason I bought the XX was due to strength in the arms with double sheer components, heim joints to large hubs, larger bushings at the frame mounts, and the strength of the stock cage. All of those things were carried over to the Speed.

 

[Racey]

"It's too bumpy in the desert"



I like riding washes anyway

 

[1Carl]

https://www.bikebandit.com/blog/speed-utv-the-can-am-polaris-killer

 

[1Carl]

Thanks for the add. Tried reading all I could. I have 3 cars on order now. One is up for sale.

 

[pwerwagn]

Thanks for the add. Tried reading all I could. I have 3 cars on order now. One is up for sale.

What master number you got for sale?

 

[RiverDave]

I am selling spot 2134.. it is an El jefe RG.

Price would be even if what you would pay today for a car but you get to jump Ahead 13,000 something slots.

 

[Taboma]

There is a legal grow operation, white brick building with a shit ton of ac units on the roof and rzr wire around it.

I looked up the particulars, curious because 20 years ago at that location most awesome Mex food, if you didn't mind a few authentic cockroaches tossed in just to get that south of the border feel.

Officially it's now Parker South Agricultural Engineering owed by ---- or most likely represent by an attorney from Scottsdale.

 

[JBZ]

Thanks for the add. Tried reading all I could. I have 3 cars on order now. One is up for sale.

Of all the cars taking the jump, the speed car looked like he was on a sofa.
and one of few that didnt end up broke

 

[Blackmagic94]

Looked like the only car to not bottom out as well

 

[riverroyal]

Looked like the only car to not bottom out as well

Because its a custom SxS not a garage project.
What you get off the show room floor wont land that soft.
But....we can do a hold my beer moment

 

[96motorhead]

The chatter bumps on straight trails are caused by people driving in 4wd at all times.

 

[riverroyal]

The chatter bumps on straight trails are caused by people driving in 4wd at all times.

You sure? I thought it was 2wd and the wheels breaking traction.
I know on bad chatter washes i put it in 4wd to stop the wheel hop under acceleration

 

[RiverDave]

The chatter bumps on straight trails are caused by people driving in 4wd at all times.

Not so much

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The chatter bumps on straight trails are caused by people driving in 4wd at all times.

Negative.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You sure? I thought it was 2wd and the wheels breaking traction.
I know on bad chatter washes i put it in 4wd to stop the wheel hop under acceleration

Yep..

 

[Blackmagic94]

Because its a custom SxS not a garage project.
What you get off the show room floor wont land that soft.
But....we can do a hold my beer moment

Huh?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Because its a custom SxS not a garage project.
What you get off the show room floor wont land that soft.
But....we can do a hold my beer moment

They are pretty much setting the car up for Havasu from the factory.. we will see if the springs are any good or if it needs damping changes.

Would be an interesting question to ask if those shocks on the race car are the “same” as the “production” valving setup, or if there are differences internally.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Huh?

He’s saying those aren’t stock valved or stock sprung shocks.

 

[riverroyal]

Im dying to get in the dirt.

He’s saying those aren’t stock valved or stock sprung shocks.

Thank you. Personally im not jumping amything like that.
A havasu set up would be sweet