21 Crossfire by Nordic

[460]

Tyro this Hallett's version of the Cyclone. Busy weekend mid day on the strip. I'm in the Lucky Strike filming it.

Hmmm that looks good. I was just wondering considering its a 21. Looks to take a the chop pretty damn well.

 

[138]

There was a company in Australia called cyclone boats, they made race boats, and fishing boats. In the late 90's early 2000's randy Davis bought a stake in the company because he was running them over here. He would have cyclone ship bare hulls over, And have prime marine sell and rig them (which at the time he owned as well). In 2003 or 2004 he bought Nordic. The cyclone au race molds were sold to great Britain, and now there is a cyclone boat company great Britain. He sold his stake in cyclone au and had his partner Ross Williams move to the us to work at Nordic.

Before they sold in au. He developed the 20 cyclone (current) the 47 / one off 43, and the first boat that the 21 was based on off a fishing boat mold

Cyclone au still has a mold for the 20 (been tweeked) and so does nordic here.

That 21 in your picture is a 1 off Ross made for randy inn au before moving here. After it won the 2005 world championships they took a mold off it and created the current 21 models you see now.

They still have the boat it's been re gel coated a few times and had the canopies removed to look like the other 21s it's the 191 boat.


O yea while prime was rigging cyclones here, randy had hallet lay up some as an f2 outboard... That's why people say the hallet f2 is a cyclone as well as its bottom was off the 21 Australian cyclone. Recently Carl here on the boards bought that mold and is making them under high maintenance boats


Greg does that answer your questions?

The same Ross mentioned in your web shot is who built my boat and spend a lot of time with me dialing it and explained all this to me.

Ty for taking the time to explain all this stuff I just did not have it in me.

By the way my name is

Carl

 

[RiverDave]

Ty for taking the time to explain all this stuff I just did not have it in me.

By the way my name is

Carl

Carl I have been meaning to talk to you as of late to find out the latest and greatest on High Maintenance... Give me a call when you have a minute! 949-678-8369.

RD

 

[wildone]

Ty for taking the time to explain all this stuff I just did not have it in me.

By the way my name is

Carl

I just hope he buys a damn boat after all these private messages and post. Like I said 100 post back all he had to do was ask me a few questions and call nordic

 

[138]

I just hope he buys a damn boat after all these private messages and post. Like I said 100 post back all he had to do was ask me a few questions and call nordic

Did you read all the S&f posts? f they all want to run fast with big power jacked to the moon. Not run fast in big water. Side note the boat they are comparing to our f2 boats are ugly as BJ said they could all be drawn with a straight edge.

 

[138]

Carl I have been meaning to talk to you as of late to find out the latest and greatest on High Maintenance... Give me a call when you have a minute! 949-678-8369.

RD

Dave I have a new post up I do not want to take anything away from this Nordic post.

 

[wildone]

Did you read all the S&f posts? f they all want to run fast with big power jacked to the moon. Not run fast in big water. Side note the boat they are comparing to our f2 boats are ugly as BJ said they could all be drawn with a straight edge.

So from the looks of it we've all been had...? Greg's been getting info over here to copy and paste it over there. That's probably why he hasn't acknowledged what he want the boat for, or when RD addressed buying a used boat. probably has no interest in purchasing it. just think he should have been honest up front that hes doing a comparison just for fun... i hope when mine goes back on the market one day this thread at least sparked some interest in them out side of the ski race world

 

[Crazyhippy]

He's a bit PR388... not a bad thing, he is certainly an avid enthusiast.

Hopefully his enthusiasm will rub off on someone that ends up in a Nordic.


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[138]

He's a bit PR388... not a bad thing, he is certainly an avid enthusiast.

Hopefully his enthusiasm will rub off on someone that ends up in a Nordic.


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You could be right.

 

[Hammer]

I learned a lot from this thread, I knew nothing about the Crossfire and SR21. Definately a bucket list boat, thanks for sharing your knowledge .

 

[460]

I learned a lot from this thread, I knew nothing about the Crossfire and SR21. Definately a bucket list boat, thanks for sharing your knowledge .

You are telling me, I want that red boat Paul's posted lol

 

[RiverDave]

So from the looks of it we've all been had...? Greg's been getting info over here to copy and paste it over on scream and fly. That's probably why he hasn't acknowledged what he want the boat for, or when RD addressed buying a used boat. probably has no interest in purchasing it. not calling him an asshole, but i hope when mine goes back on the market one day this thread at least sparked some interest in them out side of the ski race world

It's a boating forum.. We're here to talk boats.. I have no issues with someone seeking information to the benefit of us all. I'm sure Nordic has zero issues with people learning about their product etc.. Win / Win.

RD

 

[FrznJim]

I've enjoyed these posts on the Nordics/Cyclones, learned alot, always admired the handling and speed of the boats whether ski racing or the enduro. Gotta ask whatever happened to the White Cyclone I/O with purple trim that Carl Johnson drove in the enduro a few years ago? Is that a 500 Merc motor in it?

 

[wildone]

It's a boating forum.. We're here to talk boats.. I have no issues with someone seeking information to the benefit of us all. I'm sure Nordic has zero issues with people learning about their product etc.. Win / Win.

RD

Not disagreeing, like i said, im glad it sparked some interest. if or when we do sell our boat (may be a few years down the road still) i hope there is some interest still out there in these boats, last time around, we didnt get too many offers, i think partially from the economy, and partially because people saw these as strictly a race boat, or people not involved with ski racing knew little about them.

 

[GregG]

At least your not calling me names, right? My objective was to spread the "Nordic" word to the SOB boys back east. I'm pretty sure Nordic would be fine with there SR-21 and Crossfire-21 getting some positive ink amongst the high performance OB knuckle draggers. I always like to get the specifics sorted out, openly, and for public consumption. After all, there aren't many builders left making SOB 21's so its best to get the data right, even if it takes 100 posts and help from RD. FYI there are only 5 manufacturers left building new, rough water SOB 21's for 2013, and Nordic USA is one of them.

 

[hallett21]

Who are the other 4?

 

[GregG]

RD, why doesn't the link to the picture gallery in the first post of this thread work? Are there more SR-21 and Crossfire-21 goodies in there?

 

[GregG]

Who are the other 4?

This is a Nordic thread, so not looking to get into that on this thread. If I did, I might be called an asshole. Not being a wise guy but this thread is about SR-21's and Crossfire-21's. Did you know that if you buy a recreational Crossfire-21 it weighs 1500lbs, bare hull and deck? Or you can buy an SR-21 which weighs 750lbs bare hull and deck. Both hull bottom designs are identical, with a 9" dead flat pad, and 18 degrees of deadrise. Wave crushers :thumbup:

 

[boat527]

:thumbsup

 

[GregG]

boat527, what year is your Nordic SR-21 in the picture? That thing looks awesome :thumbup:

 

[138]

boat527, what year is your Nordic SR-21 in the picture? That thing looks awesome :thumbup:

Very very new... Just being rigged now is the word on the street.

 

[boat527]

My Brothers.. brand new-being rigged. all i can say

 

[GregG]

A 2013 SR-21........nice!

 

[Crazyhippy]

FYI there are only 5 manufacturers left building new, rough water SOB 21's for 2013, and Nordic USA is one of them.

There are way more than that... just from ski racing, off the top of my head:

Nordic
High Maintenance

Force (Australian)
Bullet (Australian)
Cyclone (Australian)
Cyclone (GB)
Bernico (Belgian)

I know I am missing quite a few too...


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[GregG]

Hmmmm ........

 

[Crazyhippy]

And then there are the east coast SOB's being fawned over on Screamandfly.

TUFF
Progression
Intimidator
Challenger
Superboat

But I'm getting off track from the Nordic in question...

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[wildone]

Hmmmm ........

That's thunderbird... Built right after mine in early 2008 got shipped to australia. Everything was identical except the gel.

 

[138]

At least your not calling me names, right? My objective was to spread the "Nordic" word to the SOB boys back east. I'm pretty sure Nordic would be fine with there SR-21 and Crossfire-21 getting some positive ink amongst the high performance OB knuckle draggers. I always like to get the specifics sorted out, openly, and for public consumption. After all, there aren't many builders left making SOB 21's so its best to get the data right, even if it takes 100 posts and help from RD. FYI there are only 5 manufacturers left building new, rough water SOB 21's for 2013, and Nordic USA is one of them.

As I have said more than once you are comparing the wrong boat... The Nordic 20 that won the worlds in England is more than capable ruff water boat just add a back seat. There is nothing on the west coast as a stock boat every boat is built to the client's requests. Steve told me a few days ago that his 20'+ boat have been 99 mph stock power. I really need to stop looking at the web pages for your valuable info and pick up the phone. I am sure Freddy at Nordic could set you up the correct info. As I said before on screamandfly do not pm what to say, I have raced most of the boats you are talking about and know firsthand what they are capable of.
If you are going to use information from Riverdavesplace on another website, you should site where it is from not just from a "knowledgeable source".

http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?260700-Fastest-SOB-hull/page81

 

[GregG]

Thanks 138. As you know, the thread is comparing 21 and 22 foot boats. The thread started out with a guy asking what the fastest rough water SOB is
in 21'-24'. A 20 foot boat is not a part of the conversation, so although it may be a nice option, it is too short, so it is irrelevant. The Nordic 21's in both Crossfire and SR versions are the proper comparison especially considering the thread is focused on higher freeboard rough water hulls. They look like really nice boats. Does that clear it up for ya?

 

[GregG]

If you are going to use information from Riverdavesplace on another website, you should site where it is from not just from a "knowledgeable source".

I agree with you on this and I may have made a mistake. Would you like me to change it?

 

[138]

Thanks 138. As you know, the thread is comparing 21 and 22 foot boats. The thread started out with a guy asking what the fastest rough water SOB is
in 21'-24'. A 20 foot boat is not a part of the conversation, so although it may be a nice option, it is too short, so it is irrelevant. The Nordic 21's in both Crossfire and SR versions are the proper comparison especially considering the thread is focused on higher freeboard rough water hulls. They look like really nice boats. Does that clear it up for ya?

Ya ya ya clear as day. Would you pick up the phone and get your info straight. Just got off the line with John Doherty that races one right now it is 21' over all. Not with jack plate over all length of glass.

 

[GregG]

You see 138, I have my information 100% straight. Again, let me help you since you seem to be getting snippy with me on a Sunday afternoon. The thread is about the fastest 21 or 22 foot rough water SOB boat....period. Conditions are a secondary consideration, as is motor height, prop selection, amount of gas on board etc. Each of the 5 boats being discussed will probably require a slightly different set up and slightly different water conditions to post there best GPS speed, that is a given. The fact that the Nordic Crossfire-21 and SR-21 made the list is pretty cool. They clearly make an incredible boat. The fact that you are an accomplished ski racer is also very cool, but has zero to do with what is being discussed on that thread.

 

[GregG]

Just got off the line with John Doherty that races one right now and it is 21' over all. Not with jack plate over all length of glass.

So let me understand. You are now saying that of the three models listed below on Nordic's website, they are really all 21' long?
Then why would Nordic list the hull as 20'

 

[138]

So let me understand. You are now saying that of the three models listed below on Nordic's website, they are really all 21' long?
Then why would Nordic list the hull as 20'

Ya ...As I said ...The 20 won a World Champinship in huge water. At least two went to worlds in AU last year in big water. They have plenty of free board. Once again the 20 is over all 21.

 

[GregG]

In the picture below, the freeboard on the SR-21 and Crossfire-21 looks to be substantially higher then the SR-20. Are you saying that not only are they both identical length of 21', but that they also have the same freeboard 138?

 

[GregG]

In the SR-20 it looks like you sit more "on" the boat, whereas in the SR-21/Crossfire-21 you sit "in" the boat based on what looks to be far higher freeboard :headscratch:

 

[138]

In the picture below, the freeboard on the SR-21 and Crossfire-21 looks to be substantially higher then the SR-20. Are you saying that not only are they both identical length of 21' but that they also have the same freeboard 138?

No time for you... move on.

 

[GregG]

Oh I see 138, its ok for you, out of the blue, to throw the unsolicited elbows at me a few posts ago, but then when we try to sort out the facts with an intelligent exchange you head for the hills? Everything that I have posted has been 100% accurate, I'd like you to specifically state what has been faulty. Shouldn't you be enjoying the 80 degree weather in LA unlike some of us poor slobs! Shame on me for giving Nordic some airtime.

Geez.....Seeing as I went to mass today I agree, lets you and I move on ...... :rolleyes


Getting back to the thread topic........as far as the three Nordic hulls, the SR-20, SR-21, and Crossfire-21, it is great to see a large, premium build shop like Nordic offering us small guys Single Outboard options. When I see the $1M+ stuff they build it is even more impressive. The lower freeboard of the SR-20 does not look like it would be a good solution in the rough water we run in, but it may just be the optics of the picture. In addition to higher freeboard, it looks like the SR-21 also has a lot more bow deadrise based on the photo below of what I believe is another SR-21. All that said, Nordic builds an awesome hull all around and it needs more airtime as there marketing is a little confusing for those of us not close to the facts and factory like some you RiverDavesPlace regulars.

Hopefully some folks have learned from (most) the exchange of info on this thread.

2009 Nordic SR-21 wacker pictured below along with a picture of the rear seat and the 9" wide flat pad. 86MPH from the factory with a stock 300XS and set up for speed not skiing. :thumbsup

 

[wildone]

Greg, I saw your list and rankings, and you put the 21 crossfire as #5. Using my boat. first off my boat is not a stock crossfire as i told you 100 times. 2nd you noted its top speed, when i made it clear that it has not been configured for what you are talking about. My motor sits low and i use a lower end pitch prop. the boats you listed have there jack plates as high as they can be and running 32 pitch cleavers. if your so into your "data" make it correct and note that the boat you listed is set up for water skiing, not top end. and the fact remains that none have been set up and tested for what you are talking about. you made such a big deal about not mentioning scream and fly the other day, yet you have no problem copying information directly over and not even siting as 138 said. im done with this thread at this point. I gave you as much information as i could, and you still do not understand it or for that mater used it correctly in your other thread. to rank the hull as #5 when its not been tested is a bit unfair. The boats you ranked above it have been purpose built and tweeked every which way. Not stock at all at the numbers they are running. If you wanted to do a fair comparison you would make sure all the boats are running the same motors, weight, lay up ect... The fact remains in my mind your just some kook collecting in accurate "data" for the sake of it and taking bits and pieces of it to match what you think fits the bill. And btw 138 is completely right about that 20 nordic.

 

[138]

Greg, I saw your list and rankings, and you put the 21 crossfire as #5. Using my boat. first off my boat is not a stock crossfire as i told you 100 times. 2nd you noted its top speed, when i made it clear that it has not been configured for what you are talking about. My motor sits low and i use a lower end pitch prop. the boats you listed have there jack plates as high as they can be and running 32 pitch cleavers. if your so into your "data" make it correct and note that the boat you listed is set up for water skiing, not top end. and the fact remains that none have been set up and tested for what you are talking about. you made such a big deal about not mentioning scream and fly the other day, yet you have no problem copying information directly over and not even siting as 138 said. im done with this thread at this point. I gave you as much information as i could, and you still do not understand it or for that mater used it correctly in your other thread. to rank the hull as #5 when its not been tested is a bit unfair. The boats you ranked above it have been purpose built and tweeked every which way. Not stock at all at the numbers they are running. If you wanted to do a fair comparison you would make sure all the boats are running the same motors, weight, lay up ect... The fact remains in my mind your just some kook collecting in accurate "data" for the sake of it and taking bits and pieces of it to match what you think fits the bill. And btw 138 is completely right about that 20 nordic.

X2 ....

 

[138]

Greg what say you no time to change numbers on s&f? You say in the top 300xs ...lol ....lol compare same to same....or not. Lol. Some on this web site have a few dollars in boats not to have the truth be out.

 

[RiverDave]

Greg, the only issue I have is taking some of the info that you aren't 100% on and then passing it as fact. You say the 20 looks like you sit on, and the 21 you sit in. The 20 has higher gunnels then a lot of relatively large boats out here. You definately sit IN THEM, not on top. Point in fact I always thought it was a little spooky how deep you sit in these little rockets.. LOL

The Nauti Business boat is laid up heavy, and is a cruiser setup for play skiing if memory serves. I have been in it and it's rock solid, not exactly a potato chip outboard.

I will say I was a little shocked that you had me go down and weigh a boat for the purposes of a thread on S&F.. LOL No harm no foul, but when I did it, I was kind of under the pretense that you were interested in the boat from the standpoint of a possible purchase.

I think if you talked to Nordic, you would find out they can build you a boat that for the purposes of rough water will either compete with anything out there if not hand them their ass. There is a reason they ski race these things in the worlds. They have to be able to plow through the rough stuff, and able to fly when the water is smooth.

[video=youtube;akByS6ikZNQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akByS6ikZNQ[/video]

[video=youtube;_r1MqreazzQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r1MqreazzQ&NR=1[/video]

 

[RiverDave]

I originally wrote this as a PM, but figured others might enjoy it as well.. LOL

Greg,

Next time you want info for an argument on another forum, just let me know so I don't actually go and pull a boat off a trailer and weigh it etc.. LOL (I still have to post the pics of that, which will be interesting for your little debate.. I'd challenge one of them to produce pics) I guarantee none of the other manufacturers actually did that. The yellow Kevlar Nordic weighed in at 850 WITH THE BRACKET, and rigged, wiring etc.. Including A BALLAST TANK.. Less interior.

That being said, I spent about 20 minutes and read some sections of that thread.. I see a lot of "talk" but not a lot of reality. The reality is NONE of those boats save the Bernico would actually run with a Nordic in any kind of real water. They are all sitting on the keel running big #'s in smooth water or "consistent" wind chop which equates to nada as far as rough water is concerned.

The comparison's aren't 100% fair, the Nordic's and speeds / setup you are quoting are for pulling skier not all out top end #'s.. I think if you setup a 20 just for #'s, it would be a much better all around boat then the others, and I think it would crush them in any kind of water. Bear in mind I couldn't see most the pics, but ones I did see that were hosted elsewhere the boats simply didn't have any kind of entry to deal with big water.

The proof is in the pudding. If the other boats were better suited to big water and running big #'s, then believe me when the ski race guys would buy them for F1 / F2 / F3, and they wouldn't give a shit how much they cost. I read the beginning of that thread where someone said 65K was outlandish for a boat.. If they thought they could get another 3-5 mph (let alone 16) on the next guy then some of these guys would blow literally retarded money to win. 65K is nothing in that context.

The Nordic's / Cyclones and variants are raced all over the world. These guys are racing... Well running #'s anyways, are where ever they are doing it. If they are that fast, and can actually run in rough water (cross wakes, confused conditions, washing machine, and swells) then we would have them out here already.

Lap 1 of the Parker 300. Notice the Nordic walks on everything..

[video=youtube;wb1EMMx4TeU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb1EMMx4TeU&list=UUotHoy4O9fQ-tjyrMfyCzTg&index=4[/video]

Oh, and since we are on the subject.. Why don't you tell those guys RDP vs S&F challenge. At, during, or after the Catalina Ski Race 2013. I'll bring team Nordic, they can bring team "Flat Dash" and team "Boxy as Sh&^" also known as team "Break Mirrors Ugly" or team "Build a boat in your garage" and we'll see what's what. Pretty sure you'll find out who's #1 on your top 5 list real quick.. Hell I'll film them from one of the other Nordics out ahead to see who's in 2nd - 5th.

How many of these guys got handicapped in actual "races" for running 30-50 mph faster then the rest of the field? Nordic with their SR-21 with the 1350 was literally told thanks but no thanks at the 300 this year. (130+mph, being conservative) It was deemed "unsafe" in the race. (Passing lap traffic to fast). They built and campaigned at 700/NXT boat instead and started behind the 1400HP jobbies. Team "Muff" sorry "TUFF" and SuperSmoke or SuperBoat stand no chance.

[video=youtube;N33JSvtYARw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N33JSvtYARw[/video]

Feel free to post this over there if ya want.. Reality is they'd get tossed all things equal. In rough water forget about it.




I would say something along those lines would stir the kind of conversation you are looking for to get ya through the winter. Have fun with it.

RD

 

[Outdrive1]

Bump...

 

[138]

I originally wrote this as a PM, but figured others might enjoy it as well.. LOL

Greg,

Next time you want info for an argument on another forum, just let me know so I don't actually go and pull a boat off a trailer and weigh it etc.. LOL (I still have to post the pics of that, which will be interesting for your little debate.. I'd challenge one of them to produce pics) I guarantee none of the other manufacturers actually did that. The yellow Kevlar Nordic weighed in at 850 WITH THE BRACKET, and rigged, wiring etc.. Including A BALLAST TANK.. Less interior.

That being said, I spent about 20 minutes and read some sections of that thread.. I see a lot of "talk" but not a lot of reality. The reality is NONE of those boats save the Bernico would actually run with a Nordic in any kind of real water. They are all sitting on the keel running big #'s in smooth water or "consistent" wind chop which equates to nada as far as rough water is concerned.

The comparison's aren't 100% fair, the Nordic's and speeds / setup you are quoting are for pulling skier not all out top end #'s.. I think if you setup a 20 just for #'s, it would be a much better all around boat then the others, and I think it would crush them in any kind of water. Bear in mind I couldn't see most the pics, but ones I did see that were hosted elsewhere the boats simply didn't have any kind of entry to deal with big water.

The proof is in the pudding. If the other boats were better suited to big water and running big #'s, then believe me when the ski race guys would buy them for F1 / F2 / F3, and they wouldn't give a shit how much they cost. I read the beginning of that thread where someone said 65K was outlandish for a boat.. If they thought they could get another 3-5 mph (let alone 16) on the next guy then some of these guys would blow literally retarded money to win. 65K is nothing in that context.

The Nordic's / Cyclones and variants are raced all over the world. These guys are racing... Well running #'s anyways, are where ever they are doing it. If they are that fast, and can actually run in rough water (cross wakes, confused conditions, washing machine, and swells) then we would have them out here already.

Lap 1 of the Parker 300. Notice the Nordic walks on everything..

[video=youtube;wb1EMMx4TeU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb1EMMx4TeU&list=UUotHoy4O9fQ-tjyrMfyCzTg&index=4[/video]

Oh, and since we are on the subject.. Why don't you tell those guys RDP vs S&F challenge. At, during, or after the Catalina Ski Race 2013. I'll bring team Nordic, they can bring team "Flat Dash" and team "Boxy as Sh&^" also known as team "Break Mirrors Ugly" or team "Build a boat in your garage" and we'll see what's what. Pretty sure you'll find out who's #1 on your top 5 list real quick.. Hell I'll film them from one of the other Nordics out ahead to see who's in 2nd - 5th.

How many of these guys got handicapped in actual "races" for running 30-50 mph faster then the rest of the field? Nordic with their SR-21 with the 1350 was literally told thanks but no thanks at the 300 this year. (130+mph, being conservative) It was deemed "unsafe" in the race. (Passing lap traffic to fast). They built and campaigned at 700/NXT boat instead and started behind the 1400HP jobbies. Team "Muff" sorry "TUFF" and SuperSmoke or SuperBoat stand no chance.

[video=youtube;N33JSvtYARw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N33JSvtYARw[/video]

Feel free to post this over there if ya want.. Reality is they'd get tossed all things equal. In rough water forget about it.




I would say something along those lines would stir the kind of conversation you are looking for to get ya through the winter. Have fun with it.

RD

OMG ...Glad you had the time for that class paper. I have been banging my head for a few weeks. Show me it is fast in big water and small and I will have one. So fare you get one or the other.

 

[GregG]

RD and I spoke on the phone today. He can post the details if he wants to :thumbup:

 

[138]

RD and I spoke on the phone today. He can post the details if he wants to :thumbup:

Good for you.:thumbup:

 

[twmurray143]

Well this got interesting.

 

[138]

Well this got interesting.

You need to post more....If you want a laugh go over to s&F. What will you ski at parker? BTW your new boat is the shit.

 

[twmurray143]

You need to post more....If you want a laugh go over to s&F. What will you ski at parker? BTW your new boat is the shit.

I just checked it all out. Gave me a good chuckle. I'm not exactly sure what I will be skiing at parker. I might start skiing in the men's marathon, or just stay in the mini. Will you be driving this year? Thank man, my dad and I are really excited about the new boat. It is still in the rigging stages, but it's getting one step closer everyday.