21 Crossfire by Nordic

[ductape1000]

i thought you would be smarter than just a finished carpenter...pay attention young squire..

I am paying attention Ol' cow tipper! I really like these boats and if I was in a possition to have a boat built it would be one of these with a standard 5 seat interior w, the passenger seat reversible. I like the smaller boat w/ the rough water capabilities. That is why I am so interested and am trying to follow along.


Shouldnt you be napping anyway?????? :fingers:

 

[wildone]

The Crossfire-21 and SR-21 are identical hull bottoms with 9" pad and 18 degree deadrise. The difference between the two boats is the deck that Nordic uses for the Crossfire-21 is different and heavier, plus the Crossfire-21 has a full recreational fiberglass liner.

Then, look at the layup used. The Crossfire 21 is a standard layup, every recreational buyer gets the exact same layup at 1500lbs for bare hull and deck. The SR-21 however, can be layed up anyway you would like to have it done, with whatever materials you would like Nordic to use. The weight of the hull and deck could drop by as much as 50% to 750lbs for an SR-21.

Both the Crossfire-21 and the SR-21 can accept 300XS power

Deck is also the same... They just cut out the center console between the seats, and place a box in the mold to make the outboard well.

 

[GregG]

Nordic is making two very nice 21's for Outboard 300XS power. I suspect that if Nordic put the Crossfire 21 on that real scale that they have, painted and joined hull and deck, with the full liner that they use in the Crossfire, but no upholstery or rigging that it would actually weigh a little less then 1500lbs. So they are being conservative, which is always nice from a manufacturer

:thumbup:

 

[GregG]

Deck is also the same... They just cut out the center console between the seats, and place a box in the mold to make the outboard well.

Dude, I just sorted it all out for the gent LOL. Once you cut out the console and place a box in the mold, the deck becomes different.

 

[milkmoney]

I am paying attention Ol' cow tipper! I really like these boats and if I was in a possition to have a boat built it would be one of these with a standard 5 seat interior w, the passenger seat reversible. I like the smaller boat w/ the rough water capabilities. That is why I am so interested and am trying to follow along.


Shouldnt you be napping anyway?????? :fingers:

nice, well i cant wait for you to get one, i will ride backwards, i am ok with that....:thumbsup:cool

oh,,,passed on my nap today, i have been yawning, but to late to take one..

 

[wildone]

Nordic is making two very nice 21's for Outboard 300XS power. I suspect that if Nordic put the Crossfire 21 on that real scale that they have, painted and joined hull and deck, with the full liner that they use in the Crossfire, but no upholstery or rigging that it would actually weigh a little less then 1500lbs. So they are being conservative, which is always nice from a manufacturer

:thumbup:

Greg, theres an old thread somewhere on here that i was asked to put up some pics of my boat right after it was built... Not sure how to find it

 

[RiverDave]

RD anything cool going on over there your going to share with the masses? Haven't been to the factory in a few months

Absolutely.

RD

 

[GregG]

Do an advance search on your screen name wildone, or make RD find those pics

 

[ductape1000]

Deck is also the same... They just cut out the center console between the seats, and place a box in the mold to make the outboard well.

This is what I thought. Thanks!! :thumbup:

Dude, I just sorted it all out for the gent LOL. Once you cut out the console and place a box in the mold, the deck becomes different.

This is part of why I was confused. But now it is all sorted out. Thanks :thumbsup

nice, well i cant wait for you to get one, i will ride backwards, i am ok with that....:thumbsup:cool

oh,,,passed on my nap today, i have been yawning, but to late to take one..

I wouldnt want to be looking at your smiling face everywhere I was driving, so you would have to sit in back. I would prefer :boobeyes: in a rear facing front seat!!

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

This has been interesting to read and all but damn, 19 days, 100+ replies and 6400+ views to get the info 1 phone call would have yielded.

 

[GregG]

I prefer my information from RD directly gunsmoke

 

[GregG]

wildone, is the 9" pad on the SR-21 and Crossfire-21 dead flat, or is there a little deadrise in that bad boy?

 

[wildone]

Do an advance search on your screen name wildone, or make RD find those pics

Did that couldn't find it, its from early 2008 i think mandorally or how ever just spells it started it.

 

[milkmoney]

This is what I thought. Thanks!! :thumbup:





This is part of why I was confused. But now it is all sorted out. Thanks :thumbsup











I wouldnt want to be looking at your smiling face everywhere I was driving, so you would have to sit in back. I would prefer :boobeyes: in a rear facing front seat!!

well i hear ya, but being you aint got no :boobeyes: to look at right now. my pretty smiling face is jus gonna have to work..

 

[RiverDave]

The Crossfire-21 and SR-21 are identical hull bottoms with 9" pad and 18 degree deadrise. The difference between the two boats is the deck that Nordic uses for the Crossfire-21 is different and heavier, plus the Crossfire-21 has a full recreational fiberglass liner.

Then, look at the layup used. The Crossfire 21 is a standard layup, every recreational buyer gets the exact same layup at 1500lbs for bare hull and deck. The SR-21 however, can be layed up anyway you would like to have it done, with whatever materials you would like Nordic to use. The weight of the hull and deck could drop by as much as 50% to 750lbs for an SR-21.

Both the Crossfire-21 and the SR-21 can accept 300XS power

Kind of correct. They will build a crossfire out of whatever you want as well..

This has been interesting to read and all but damn, 19 days, 100+ replies and 6400+ views to get the info 1 phone call would have yielded.

Indeed, but then we wouldn't all learn together about the Nordic SR / Crossfire.. I like these threads.

RD

 

[GregG]

God dang it RD, don't be throwin that chit in the mix! The Crossfire is available in one layup only, and weighs 1500lbs!!

 

[RiverDave]

God dang it RD, don't be throwin that chit in the mix! The Crossfire is available in one layup only, and weighs 1500lbs!!

"Custom" Boat mfg... (Note the "custom")

Some pics of my adventure today. I was surprised at how accommodating they were to weigh a boat they had therefor the purposes of this thread.


You can see the front scale at 300, and the back scale at 500..

 

[Hammer]

Any idea who built that trailer and why it's raw metal ?

 

[RiverDave]

wildone, is the 9" pad on the SR-21 and Crossfire-21 dead flat, or is there a little deadrise in that bad boy?

Looked pretty flat to me

RD

 

[RiverDave]

Any idea who built that trailer and why it's raw metal ?

Probably galvanized aluminum.. I didn't look at it that close when I was there.

RD

 

[Crazyhippy]

God dang it RD, don't be throwin that chit in the mix! The Crossfire is available in one layup only, and weighs 1500lbs!!

Nope... Custom shop, they will build whatever you want. Their "normal" layup might be 1500lbs, but if you want a 600lb boat with the crossfire features, it is entirely do-able.:thumbsup:skull


And a few pics from the races... Is it March yet?:grumble:

 

[RiverDave]

Greg here's an idea.. That yellow one weighs 800 lbs with a ballast tank fuel tank etc.. in it. It's also a Kevlar hull (bad ass), and it is used. Why not purchase that one, have them put the crossfire interior in it, and stick a 300 on the back of it and be done? You save some dough on the used part, you save some weight on the hull, and you get your interior you want.

RD

 

[wildone]

Greg, That yellow and blue one is as stock as it gets, sounds exactly what you want but swap the 225 for a 300

 

[wildone]

Greg here's an idea.. That yellow one weighs 800 lbs with a ballast tank fuel tank etc.. in it. It's also a Kevlar hull (bad ass), and it is used. Why not purchase that one, have them put the crossfire interior in it, and stick a 300 on the back of it and be done? You save some dough on the used part, you save some weight on the hull, and you get your interior you want.

RD

Rd, i may have been mistaken, that looks like a new hull... Must been used for testing... But not a bad idea over all...

the old team 21 had the center pod and ghost flames in the yellow

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I prefer my information from RD directly gunsmoke

As opposed to the manufacturer?:rolleyes

Indeed, but then we wouldn't all learn together about the Nordic SR / Crossfire.. I like these threads.

RD

Exactly why I said it has been an interesting read.:thumbsup

 

[GregG]

I actually do not like the Crossfire 21 "stock" lounge wraparound interior. I'm a 2+3 seating guy.

 

[GregG]

So am I correct, that the boat pictured below is a Nordic SR-21?

Edit: Yes, this is an SR-21 with medium layup

 

[wildone]

Just for fun, does anyone else remember when RD insisted the schiada f1/f2 would blow these things away... 4 years later whats up?

 

[wildone]

So am I correct, that the boat pictured below is a Nordic SR-21?

yes, that was the old team boat, laid up a little lighter than mine, used for the world championships in belguim. Mine has a removable back seat that we put a wind damped in for racing. This one had 2 seats and a wind damper only, but could have a bench added to the back very easily.

 

[Hammer]

I actually do not like the Crossfire 21 "stock" lounge wraparound interior. I'm a 2+3 seating guy.

Refer back to "custom" they can probably build you any style seating you would like .

 

[GregG]

Yes, that was the old Nordic SR-21 team boat, laid up a little lighter than mine, used for the world championships in belguim. My SR-21 has a removable back seat that we put a wind damper in for racing. The Nordic Team SR-21 had 2 seats and a wind damper only, but could have a bench added to the back very easily.

How fast is the yellow Nordic Team SR-21 below roughly with that 300XS?

 

[wildone]

How fast is the yellow Nordic Team SR-21 below roughly with that 300XS?

Not sure what they saw with out a skier, with a skier 78/ 79, which is about 1 / 2 mph more then me. We ran the same props as well so i would guess with its 4 blade et 87 or 88? Probably faster with a different prop.

 

[GregG]

That makes sense to me. Buy a medium layup Nordic SR-21, rig it with a Merc 300XS, set it up for speed not skiing, and hit 90MPH on GPS

 

[wildone]

That makes sense to me. Buy a medium layup SR-21, rig it with a Merc 300XS, set it up for speed not skiing, and hit 90MPH on GPS

I'm pretty sure they have that boat and would let it go for the right offer, already rigged or at least ready for a motor, turn the passenger seat around, have a bench put in the back, and just dial it in for what ever you want it for...

 

[GregG]

And this is a picture of your 2008 Nordic SR-21 medium layup that did 87MPH, correct?

 

[Outdrive1]

So the SR is normally an open stringer boat? And the Crossfire has a liner?

Most of the Cyclones I've seen are race boat set up and have open stringers. Not a huge fan of an open stringer boat for everyday use myself.

 

[wildone]

So the SR is normally an open stringer boat? And the Crossfire has a liner?

Most of the Cyclones I've seen are race boat set up and have open stringers. Not a huge fan of an open stringer boat for everyday use myself.

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Greg, yes that is my boat, it has full floors and storage in the middle

Outdrive, i think the race inboards have open stringers, don't think any of the outboard have, the ones i know of have belly tanks and flush floors. The yellow team boat pictured has the same interior and floor as mine

 

[RiverDave]

Just for fun, does anyone else remember when RD insisted the schiada f1/f2 would blow these things away... 4 years later whats up?

I don't remember ever saying that. I said Schiada offers a competitive hull. It's very fast with a 500/525/575 etc..

 

[Outdrive1]

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Greg, yes that is my boat,

Outdrive, i think the race inboards have open stringers, don't think any of the outboard have, the ones i know of have belly tanks and flush floors

It would make sense to put belly tanks in them and keep the center of gravity lower.

 

[wildone]

I don't remember ever saying that. I said Schiada offers a competitive hull..

my mistake, thought it would be funny to stir the pot... Any chance you can find that thread for greg? i know it had pictures of the interior ect...


Greg, honestly your over thinking this... Its the same boat. Tell them you want a bare hull 21 and how much you want it to weigh. They will figure the rest out.

 

[460]

How does that cross fire handle big water?

 

[Outdrive1]

I don't remember ever saying that. I said Schiada offers a competitive hull. It's very fast with a 500/525/575 etc..

The one they built is a straight up race boat. All carbon fiber, open stringers, and a strange seating configuration. I know it ran to Catalina but I'm not sure how it did.

 

[Outdrive1]

How does that cross fire handle big water?

They are deep vees Tyro and have no problem in big water. Same as the Cyclone. That being said they are a drivers boat.

 

[GregG]

How does that Crossfire-21 handle big water?

Exactly the same way as an SR-21 does

 

[GregG]

Here is a shot of a blue SR-21 that gives you an excellent view of the pad, and chines ...........

 

[Outdrive1]

Tyro this Hallett's version of the Cyclone. Busy weekend mid day on the strip. I'm in the Lucky Strike filming it.

 

[Mondorally]

Just for fun, does anyone else remember when RD insisted the schiada f1/f2 would blow these things away... 4 years later whats up?

This thread??

http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25748

 

[GregG]

Getting back the Nordic SR-21 and Crossfire-21, below is an excerpt from someone who seems to have been very closely involved with the design of the boat. If I read it correctly, the SR-21 and Crossfire-21 is a brand new design, not a take-off of anything. It says on his screen name that he is from Australia.

 

[ductape1000]

Tyro this Hallett's version of the Cyclone. Busy weekend mid day on the strip. I'm in the Lucky Strike filming it.

And that is why I like those boats!! :sly:

sent from a van at the waters edge.

 

[wildone]

Getting back the Nordic SR-21 and Crossfire-21, below is an excerpt from someone who seems to have been very closely involved with the design of the boat. If I read it correctly, the SR-21 and Crossfire-21 is a brand new design, not a take-off of anything. It says on his screen name that he is from Australia.

There was a company in Australia called cyclone boats, they made race boats, and fishing boats. In the late 90's early 2000's randy Davis bought a stake in the company because he was running them over here. He would have cyclone ship bare hulls over, And have prime marine sell and rig them (which at the time he owned as well). In 2003 or 2004 he bought Nordic. The cyclone au race molds were sold to great Britain, and now there is a cyclone boat company great Britain. He sold his stake in cyclone au and had his partner Ross Williams move to the us to work at Nordic.

Before they sold in au. He developed the 20 cyclone (current) the 47 / one off 43, and the first boat that the 21 was based on off a fishing boat mold

Cyclone au still has a mold for the 20 (been tweeked) and so does nordic here.

That 21 in your picture is a 1 off Ross made for randy inn au before moving here. After it won the 2005 world championships they took a mold off it and created the current 21 models you see now.

They still have the boat it's been re gel coated a few times and had the canopies removed to look like the other 21s it's the 191 boat.


O yea while prime was rigging cyclones here, randy had hallet lay up some as an f2 outboard... That's why people say the hallet f2 is a cyclone as well as its bottom was off the 21 Australian cyclone. Recently Carl here on the boards bought that mold and is making them under high maintenance boats


Greg does that answer your questions?

The same Ross mentioned in your web shot is who built my boat and spend a lot of time with me dialing it and explained all this to me.