Depends what you buy, how you drive, and how much you use it. Ive gone 3 years and only minimal prep, but im an idaho for a week and 2 or 3 glamis trips a season kind of duner. I love driving the car, but have zero desire to go out for long trips or many times a season.
Pretty positive it is essentially a d60 r&p in the S4/5D. They are fantastic. You have to TRY to hurt them if properly built. My boss whoops on his and still on original R&P. Like does laps at Olds hill full throttle multiple times a trip, and only needed a couple bearings and a 2nd gear over the decade he has had it.
This guy has near 900hp, and it's his first buggy. It may have been a vertical learning curve. I believe it was doing wheelies down Olds
For a second, I thought you were going to say you had 80 gallons of whiskey....
I’ll be into my rzr 75 by the time it has 50 miles on it, a buddy just sold a prepped JimCo 2000 for 70…
wrong but a 4 seat buggy is what would be a comparison. Not an actual c1 car.I agree. Having friends who moved up from Class 1 to TT, I know for a fact a Class 1 car costs FAR more than any SxS. The motor alone cost more than an entire SxS.I also believe when this thread was made, could be
Your property should be the Docktagon of off-road smack talk. I'll bring out the equipment and prep the track, then we go bracket style to name the true king of off-road toys!
Sheila is the definition of Badass….
Yes. Because the cars are designed properly, they don't "wear themselves out". I had a buddy with an alumicraft that had been modified in the front to fit bigger shocks and spindles by a shop that had a name, but not a great reputation. He was always replacing heims in the front end. Like multiple times a year. We have early 2000's Alumicrafts in our dune group that have heims that are decades old. That car also likely doesn't have enough power to destroy the 2D. That is a smoking deal for a great car, though it would be a ton more fun with a V8 and a sequential.2020 Alumi Craft dual sport
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I like this. This car is probably good for 20 years with minimal upkeep depending on how and how much you run it.
I'll bet that car handles EXTREMELY well and is well-balanced and nimble. That's a helluva deal on a really well-made car.2020 Alumi Craft dual sport
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I like this. This car is probably good for 20 years with minimal upkeep depending on how and how much you run it.
So is the Albins in any way still superior to the S4D/S5D or not any longer?
You get to tell people you have an Albins.
Hahah funny I still kick wizards ass in my 6 year old turbo s. Won’t be caught in a speed car cuz I don’t wanna walk
Sheila is a BAAAAAAAD BITCH!!! Most iconic Class 1 "buggy" still out there racing... The ultimate Class 1 still has to be the Herbst's El Tiburon "truggy". This thing hurt some feelings!!!! I saw it years ago at their shop buried in the corner collecting dust. My buddy who works there told me there was a plan to bring it back to life, and they finally did!!! Its cool to see it running again.
Some get to say the broke a few albins each seasons. Pissing away serious amounts of cash.
That's the same one?! Holy crap, that thing was a beast...still is, but now a "vintage" beast
There are a few details on the Albins that are better than S4D, but really the only advantage in my opinion is the torsen diff in the Albins, which is far stronger than the spider gear diff in the S4D and works as an LSD to get both tires pushing under low traction.
The truggy and Ivan's PPI Toyota are easily the two coolest off road vehicles ever made, I'd rather have those than anything new.
Agreed!!! Ivans "Toyota" was def a game changer and hurt a lot of feelings also. Most people don't even realize it was a single seat truck. When they said Ivan "Iron manned" the race.... they meant IRON MANNED IT SOLO!!! That dudes built different for sure, pretty sure he is the only person to win the overall solo in the 1000.
The problem is the definition of what an Ultra4 car is. A Gomez bros UFO? No. An EMC car? Arguably yes. Both are utlra4 cars. I have a retired 4800 car and it does nothing better than a new 2 seat ProR or MavR SXS except technical crawling and weigh more on a scale. I always wanted one, so i bought one. Love the sound of a V8, and have done the SxS thing, but i have no illusions that a new SXS wouldnt be a better all around tool for recreational off roading or even semi competitive racing.
I can buy a junkyard LS, auto trans and a new 2spd atlas for that price!!!
I think they found one of the two original PPI trucks in MX, bought it and brought it back, and were restoring it to make a comeback in 2025 or 2026.
The problem is the definition of what an Ultra4 car is. A Gomez bros UFO? No. An EMC car? Arguably yes. Both are utlra4 cars. I have a retired 4800 car and it does nothing better than a new 2 seat ProR or MavR SXS except technical crawling and weigh more on a scale. I always wanted one, so i bought one. Love the sound of a V8, and have done the SxS thing, but i have no illusions that a new SXS wouldnt be a better all around tool for recreational off roading or even semi competitive racing.
On edit - i’d argue a retired U4 car is cheaper to repair in every aspect except tires after the initial purchase. Junkyard 5.3, th350, atlas, D60 diffs, all on par or cheaper to repair/replace than the SXS comparable parts. Wasnt someone here just recently talking about a $6k engine rebuild for an XP900
IMHO that is the case right now, if you consider the average Ultra4 car, not the top cars in the series. Driver plays a significant role so it would be really hard to prove a theory without intention.
Yes, Rory Ward has it and restoring it and the McMillin 001 High Jumper that they started offroad racing in. Rory is an AWESOME guy and loves restoring old iconic offroad cars and keeping them alive.
IMHO that is the case right now, if you consider the average Ultra4 car, not the top cars in the series. Driver plays a significant role so it would be really hard to prove a theory without intention.
There is little doubt in my mind that the UTV industry was inspired by Ultra4 vehicles to create today's high performance UTVs.
In 2010 I took a 100% stock brand new pre-production Kawasaki T4 off the trailer, drove it directly to Chocolate Thunder and drove the trail bottom to top with only a spotter and a spotter strap. That was not an Ultra4 car, but the Team Green motorsports manager, Reid Nordin, Joey D from UTV Underground, Jon Crowley and a handful of other UTV pioneers all ran around together as KOH expanded the racing opportunities to UTVs. It surprised everyone that that vehicle could drive up that trail. Somewhere I have video proof.
While I don't love my CanAm for a few different reasons, it outperforms many of the Ultra4 cars I have driven over the years. These new UTVs do exactly what the spirit of Ultra4 racing was created for. Ultra4 was designed to allow an owner the opportunity to race various disciplines with the same car and in doing so what was once seen as a joke to the desert racing community in turn influenced technology that made 4WD TTs practical and rendered the previous versions obsolete to the point they segregated the class. It speaks volumes that a stock performance UTV is at home in Glamis, The Rocky Mountains, Johnson Valley, The Southest Mud holes,Moab, The woods racing of the east coast, and Baja.
A stock CanAm with a decent driver would beat 2/3rds of the Ultra4 cars that sign up to race in pretty much any discipline. BUT as pointed out, in many cases an Ultra4 car is more robust and has a longer MTBF than a plastic production vehicle. It really depends on who built it and the maintenance.
There is nothing stock about an Ultra4 car, except the Ultra4 cars that Polaris, CanAm, Honda, Yamaha Kawasaki and Speed are building on a production line. Those are all Ultra4 cars. But what would I know?
You can order the Polaris team Pro R, but it will be a lot more than $150K for Chaney's winning Mav R at KOH. The Mav R was a full tube chassis purpose built Ultra 4.
Sorry to pirate the thread.We all speak mainly from personal experience. My experiences have been that when riding hard pack/rocks in my Ultra4 with a group of side by sides, if I hammer down and really get aggressive, they cannot keep up. When riding the dunes in my sand rail with a group of side by sides, if I hammer down and get aggressive, they cannot keep up.
My experience has been side by sides can do both, but they won't do one or the other better and faster than a car that is purpose built for the job.
No more big trucks on the jump track… you know how this ended