You might be a Republican if...

[Tom Brown]

Passive aggressive much?

I'm active aggressive, fuck face.

 

[Froggystyle]

I'm active aggressive, fuck face.

Been looking for a new sig...

 

[was thatguy]

If that's what you call active I think the union is safe.

Here's the thing Tom.

This is what it all boils down to for me, and why I do not have a lot of sympathy or charity except for kids and others who genuinely are in need.

I think you will agree with this?
"If I can do it....fucking just about anybody can"...

 

[Wicky]

You might be a republican if, you're not on welfare!

 

[Froggystyle]

What do you call a lifelong Democrat who wins the lottery?

A Republican

 

[Tom Brown]

I think you will agree with this?
"If I can do it....fucking just about anybody can"...

Disagree.

The problem with politics is that people universally assume the majority of other people think and respond how they do. That simply isn't true.

It's become clear that party line Republicans (current party line... God, transvaginal ultra-sounds, and persecute the gays) are in the minority. Libertarians are in the minority. Progressives are in the minority.

I have a buddy who was unemployed. He's a great guy and a good worker. I stopped by his place the evening of the second day he was off and listened to his tale of woe. People who lose their jobs are ostracized so I knew it would mean something to him to have a buddy stop by and listen. I let the topic cool for a while and then offered some ideas that used while unemployed. He tried to cut me off after about a minute but I was assertive. I did some casual work for a tile setter friend and ended up picking up some landscape work from there. That got me into a temporary carpentry job at a local hotel. I was never in danger of starving. I told him I would call my tile setter friend and I was pretty confident he would be taken on. My friend is always looking for good help.

Not being allowed to interrupt required my friend to wait until I was done to explain why that wouldn't work for him and to not call the tiler. Basically, he said some random things and concluded with, "... and that's why that wouldn't work for me."

I brought it up a few times after that and it was always shot down. "Now that your insurance has run out, perhaps you'd like me to see if I can get you a job while you wait for an IT opportunity?" "No. There are no jobs, not even temporary ones." It was like trying to teach a mule to do calculus.

These people are disabled and there are lots of them. What seems simple and obvious to you or I cannot penetrate their skull if it was written on a nail and driven with a Hilti gun.

... but here's the weird part. I worry about unemployment. My career is fine but I worry about losing my job all the time. My buddy never worries about it. Easy come, easy go. ... even though he had a hard time when he was unemployed and it wouldn't be much of an inconvenience for me.

 

[Paul65k]

I personally think that the issue is not Democrat or Rebublican.......it is conservative vs. liberal.

I for one have trouble with both parties and at best see the Republicans as the lesser of 2 evils......AT BEST and more likely no different than the Dems......AT WORST.


In my case I think the Republican party went off the tracks when they succumbed to Jerry Falwell and his ilk in the early 80's.....prior to that time the primary differences between the 2 parties was almost exclusively fiscal....those differences could be managed and worked out.....when the differences became much more philosophical then is started to become personal.

Actually IMHO this was not the beginning but the end as the philosophical differences really started with FDR and ended with LBJ and his "Great Society" programs of the 60's.......some were good and needed such as integration but others like Welfare and Government housing programs have done nothing but enslave a great percentage of the population........I'm guessing that LBJ would be appalled to see what has become of these programs today......although Obama certainly has picked up the ball that LBJ left dormant for many years.

The challenge is that when the differences in the parties became so personal over time it has driven the hate and venom that is thrown back and forth across the aisle because people are so much more inclined to defend their philosophical position than a financial approach to which a compromise can be found and ultimately accepted by both sides........so if you vote Democrat or Republican these days I'm guessing that like me you are making a very big compromise to your own position(s) in choosing the lesser of 2 evils.:rant:

 

[Tom Brown]

I personally think that the issue is not Democrat or Rebublican.......it is conservative vs. liberal.

I personally think Republicans are fascists, Democrats are liberal, and Libertarians are conservative.

 

[Paul65k]

I personally think Republicans are fascists, Democrats are liberal, and Libertarians are conservative.

Well then.........it's a good thing nobody gives a shit what you think :lmao


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[Instigator]

You might be a Republican if you see a Trend of Threads started by Tom Brown that start with "You might be a Democrat if... " and "You might be a Republican if..." and you realize that he has an Identity Crisis.

 

[Instigator]

Disagree.

The problem with politics is that people universally assume the majority of other people think and respond how they do. That simply isn't true.

It's become clear that party line Republicans (current party line... God, transvaginal ultra-sounds, and persecute the gays) are in the minority. Libertarians are in the minority. Progressives are in the minority.

I have a buddy who was unemployed. He's a great guy and a good worker. I stopped by his place the evening of the second day he was off and listened to his tale of woe. People who lose their jobs are ostracized so I knew it would mean something to him to have a buddy stop by and listen. I let the topic cool for a while and then offered some ideas that used while unemployed. He tried to cut me off after about a minute but I was assertive. I did some casual work for a tile setter friend and ended up picking up some landscape work from there. That got me into a temporary carpentry job at a local hotel. I was never in danger of starving. I told him I would call my tile setter friend and I was pretty confident he would be taken on. My friend is always looking for good help.

Not being allowed to interrupt required my friend to wait until I was done to explain why that wouldn't work for him and to not call the tiler. Basically, he said some random things and concluded with, "... and that's why that wouldn't work for me."

I brought it up a few times after that and it was always shot down. "Now that your insurance has run out, perhaps you'd like me to see if I can get you a job while you wait for an IT opportunity?" "No. There are no jobs, not even temporary ones." It was like trying to teach a mule to do calculus.

These people are disabled and there are lots of them. What seems simple and obvious to you or I cannot penetrate their skull if it was written on a nail and driven with a Hilti gun.

... but here's the weird part. I worry about unemployment. My career is fine but I worry about losing my job all the time. My buddy never worries about it. Easy come, easy go. ... even though he had a hard time when he was unemployed and it wouldn't be much of an inconvenience for me.

First off, Good for you for trying to help someone. Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Conservatives and Liberals all try to do this.
However only 2 of those don't know when to stop trying to help.

However because your friend has Zero Ambition and refuses to Take Responsibility for His own actions you are beating a Dead Horse. He feels Somehow Entitled to something that he hasn't earned. He is so busy playing a Victim that his lack of Ambition will never allow him to better himself as a Socialist or at least a Democrat.:thumbsdown
I have no remorse for that type of person. Sounds like that is why he lives in a Socialist Country.
And that is what makes me a Conservative.
Now if You can just figure out which political party you feel most aligned with maybe we can start having a common sense conversation about a solution.

 

[Tom Brown]

First off, Good for you for trying to help someone. Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Conservatives and Liberals all try to do this.
However only 2 of those don't know when to stop trying to help.

:thumbsup

However because your friend has Zero Ambition and refuses to Take Responsibility for His own actions you are beating a Dead Horse. He feels Somehow Entitled to something that he hasn't earned. He is so busy playing a Victim that his lack of Ambition will never allow him to better himself as a Socialist or at least a Democrat.:thumbsdown

He's worse than a socialist or a Democrat. He's a Canadian.

As for his ambition, he has a surprising quantity of it. That conclusion is totally inaccurate.

He's about as open minded as most of the folks in here. He has a specific idea and if someone tells him that idea, he will think that person is really smart. Everyone else just doesn't get it.

Now if You can just figure out which political party you feel most aligned with maybe we can start having a common sense conversation about a solution.

I could see how you could use some help trying to figure out my philosophy. It must be frustrating for you that I don't share it.

 

[Instigator]

 

[Wicky]

I personally think Republicans are fascists, Democrats are liberal, and Libertarians are FISCALLY conservative.

Fixed it for ya...

 

[Tom Brown]

Fixed it for ya...

Fair enough. Thanks.

I tend to think of a conservative government as small and minimalistic, however, that is not necessarily the case. Libertarians ought to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

 

[Froggystyle]

Libertarians ought to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

That's us.

 

[Instigator]

Libertarians ought to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

Is that something like an Oxymoron or a Canadianmoron ?

 

[500bbc]

Fair enough. Thanks.

I tend to think of a conservative government as small and minimalistic, however, that is not necessarily the case. Libertarians ought to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

This is my favorite new liberal lie. What they really mean is they are fiscally conservative with their own money and socially liberal with OPM.

 

[was thatguy]

This is my favorite new liberal lie. What they really mean is they are fiscally conservative with their own money and socially liberal with OPM.

Point of order...they do not recognize any difference between the two.

 

[Froggystyle]

This is my favorite new liberal lie. What they really mean is they are fiscally conservative with their own money and socially liberal with OPM.

Except he was defining a Libertarian... Not a liberal.

I'm a Libertarian, and I CLOSELY identify with that definition.

All I want is fire, police, military, courts and legislation out of my government. I want them out of my personal life, my bedroom, my church (if I had one) and my finances.

I want our fisheries protected more than our "homeless" and our borders protected more than I want a food stamp program that is more worried about pride than rehabilitation.



I don't give a shit if you want to marry your dog, abort your embryo (within reason) or speed all the way to Havasu to drive your

 

[Tom Brown]

Just so I am clear...was I supposed to laugh at the "burning children" line?

If you read closely, you will notice they are the children of Democrats. Therein lies the humor.

There is actually plenty of humor here. Where you see a shovel, I see the neighbor's lifted pickup truck with one noticeably low tire and a bumper sticker that reads, "God is the air beneath my wings."

Honestly, I don't see much humor in it, and I don't see much humor, or any sort of accuracy in your insurance and health care points either.

In fact, those points in particular are 180 out from the reality of the average rep voter.

They're far from the reality of Democrat voters, also. Nobody in your country is going to have an even remotely equitable health care system any time soon. That goes for moving forward with the Affordable Health Care Act, as well as if you repeal it.

... and I'm aware that a socialized health care system has weaknesses. For one, we don't develop a lot of medical technology. There is a bit and we champion these comparatively minute bits of science but the large scale break throughs are coming from the US and northern Europe. We just don't have the money to compete. ... so thank you for that.

 

[Faceaz]

You preach limited government, but want to dictate how people live their lives.

You preach financial conservatism, balanced budgets & decreased debt but every Republican President in the last 30+ years has doubled or nearly doubled the debt.

 

[500bbc]

Except he was defining a Libertarian... Not a liberal.

I'm a Libertarian, and I CLOSELY identify with that definition.

All I want is fire, police, military, courts and legislation out of my government. I want them out of my personal life, my bedroom, my church (if I had one) and my finances.

I want our fisheries protected more than our "homeless" and our borders protected more than I want a food stamp program that is more worried about pride than rehabilitation.



I don't give a shit if you want to marry your dog, abort your embryo (within reason) or speed all the way to Havasu to drive your

Current fact is most people who identify themselves as libertarian are actually liberals. They're not even honest with themselves.
Had a fine conversation with one, well kind of a conversation. I just listened to her lie about her politics for an hour.
She starts off with her "I'm a libertarian" lie then explains how she is unbiased because she gets her news from NPR, PBS, the LA Times and the New York Times. Bashed Faux News for a few minutes and reveals she campaigned for Obama the first time around because he's the most moderate (and brilliant) candidate ever. Went on to explain that if wasn't for the TIC's brilliance in handling the economy the country really would have gone down the tubes, anytime I questioned her facts she had no answers.


True libertarians are very few and far between.

BTW it's not an embryo, it's a baby. Support a women's right to kill her baby but at least have the courage of your own conviction to call it what it is.

 

[Tom Brown]

Current fact is most people who identify themselves as libertarian are actually liberals. They're not even honest with themselves.
Had a fine conversation with one, well kind of a conversation. I just listened to her lie about her politics for an hour.
She starts off with her "I'm a libertarian" lie then explains how she is unbiased because she gets her news from NPR, PBS, the LA Times and the New York Times. Bashed Faux News for a few minutes and reveals she campaigned for Obama the first time around because he's the most moderate (and brilliant) candidate ever. Went on to explain that if wasn't for the TIC's brilliance in handling the economy the country really would have gone down the tubes, anytime I questioned her facts she had no answers.


True libertarians are very few and far between.

BTW it's not an embryo, it's a baby. Support a women's right to kill her baby but at least have the courage of your own conviction to call it what it is.

You might be a Republican if you have zero tolerance for anyone with even the slightest variation in your views and you think there is 100% chance your party will win the next election.

 

[500bbc]

You might be a Republican if you have zero tolerance for anyone with even the slightest variation in your views and you think there is 100% chance your party will win the next election.

Slightest?


You might be a liberal if you live in a remote village, construct fecal statuettes in your basement and lecture people in foreign countries on a constant basis. :thumbup:


BTW I think there is a zero chance of a conservative getting elected to POTUS ever again unless we are in a massive war or the economy completely collapses in a Zimbabwean tidal wave.

Then we'll fix it again.

 

[Froggystyle]

Current fact is most people who identify themselves as libertarian are actually liberals. They're not even honest with themselves.

Pretty sure I'm not a liberal... Pretty sure most of my neo-Libertarian friends aren't either.

BTW it's not an embryo, it's a baby. Support a women's right to kill her baby but at least have the courage of your own conviction to call it what it is.

I don't support anyone's right to kill a baby. Which is why I said embryo. Additionally, I'm not gonna get into the difference with you, as you know it already and are just being contrary.

I fully support a woman's right to choose on that subject, which is why I mentioned it. The republicans idiotic resistance to it based on personal morality is what is keeping the party from succeeding... And is one of the primary reasons I registered as an independent.

 

[Tom Brown]

BTW I think there is a zero chance of a conservative getting elected to POTUS ever again unless we are in a massive war or the economy completely collapses in a Zimbabwean tidal wave.

Then we'll fix it again.

You guys have G.W. Bush in your back pocket to fix the country's economy. :thumbsup

I disagree about Republican chances for the presidency. Right now, radicals are running the party. You've got John McCain, Lindsay Graham, and Mitch McConnell showing up on TV saying some crazy shit. Particularly the latter two, play to the base and are exclusionary in their approach. That's killing the party but if the balance of power were to swing away from the southern Christian base, things would take an upswing.

By the way, I knew Obama was going to win over Mitt Romney, however, I think Romney was a strong candidate and did as well as any Republican could have done in that position. Gingrich would have lost by a lot more, as would Santorum. Ron Paul would have lost by more than Mitt Romney but I would have been cheering for Ron Paul.

 

[Paul65k]

You guys have G.W. Bush in your back pocket to fix the country's economy. :thumbsup

I disagree about Republican chances for the presidency. Right now, radicals are running the party. You've got John McCain, Lindsay Graham, and Mitch McConnell showing up on TV saying some crazy shit. Particularly the latter two, play to the base and are exclusionary in their approach. That's killing the party but if the balance of power were to swing away from the southern Christian base, things would take an upswing.

By the way, I knew Obama was going to win over Mitt Romney, however, I think Romney was a strong candidate and did as well as any Republican could have done in that position. Gingrich would have lost by a lot more, as would Santorum. Ron Paul would have lost by more than Mitt Romney but I would have been cheering for Ron Paul.

I agree completely

Did I really fucking just say that????:yikes

 

[FreeBird236]

I agree completely

Did I really fucking just say that????:yikes

You had a rough nite...

 

[Tom Brown]

I agree completely

Did I really fucking just say that????:yikes

As I recall, you're one of the people who flipped out when I wrote that Obama was going to win. Tons of people in here who I completely expected to have difficulty understanding that statement, and a surprising number I did not expect, went ape shit. I wrote Obama is going to win and you guys started following me around and shitting on everything I write, even in the Lounge.

... and that's why the Republican party is fucked. The Democrats set the intellectual bar pretty low but Republicans always manage to get underneath that bar.

Sure, there are smart people in both parties but how do you expect to sway anyone to see things the Republican way when you're dumb as dogs? I don't know what that guy is saying but my master isn't here so I'm going to bite him!

The status quo has you losing.

One of the reasons Mitt Romney was the best candidate was that he made a case for his own platform. McCain did not in 2008. McCain's platform was that Obama was a terrorist Kenyan. Romney took the high road, relatively. The high road may piss off the base who want their leader to cheat and lie his way into power but the high road will attract independents who are looking for a better answer. The base is already in the bag. Republicans need to appeal to the center. They won't, of course. Their dogs will continue to bite anyone who walks by the yard and they will continue to be completely surprised that nobody drops by to visit, anymore.

 

[500bbc]

Pretty sure I'm not a liberal... Pretty sure most of my neo-Libertarian friends aren't either.



I don't support anyone's right to kill a baby. Which is why I said embryo. Additionally, I'm not gonna get into the difference with you, as you know it already and are just being contrary.

I fully support a woman's right to choose on that subject, which is why I mentioned it. The republicans idiotic resistance to it based on personal morality is what is keeping the party from succeeding... And is one of the primary reasons I registered as an independent.

Didn't say all libertarians, said most. It is definitely the new liberal mantra although as soon as they open their mouths honestly they are obviously just liberals trying to paint themselves in a divine light.

It's killing babies any way you want to parse it, you might want to convince yourself that at a certain stage of gestation it's just somewhat of a fetal booger, it's not. Just not very palatable to anyone to admit it though. Now, we could debate (endlessly in circles) if abortion is "OK" at a very early stage but we would get no where. No society on earth that has executed it's babies at the abominable rate that we have will survive.

I can easily and openly state that I am pro life, the other side of the debate will never, ever, admit they are pro death.

 

[500bbc]

You guys have G.W. Bush in your back pocket to fix the country's economy. :thumbsup

I disagree about Republican chances for the presidency. Right now, radicals are running the party. You've got John McCain, Lindsay Graham, and Mitch McConnell showing up on TV saying some crazy shit. Particularly the latter two, play to the base and are exclusionary in their approach. That's killing the party but if the balance of power were to swing away from the southern Christian base, things would take an upswing.

By the way, I knew Obama was going to win over Mitt Romney, however, I think Romney was a strong candidate and did as well as any Republican could have done in that position. Gingrich would have lost by a lot more, as would Santorum. Ron Paul would have lost by more than Mitt Romney but I would have been cheering for Ron Paul.

George Bush????
Fer fucks sake, next you'll be calling me a racist, bigoted homophobe, islamaphobe clinging to my guns and religion.


So name a current viable candidate for the next presidential election, Rubio shot himself in the foot, Christy is going nowhere with Conservatives. What's the line in Regina Snatchscatchawan?

 

[Paul65k]

As I recall, you're one of the people who flipped out when I wrote that Obama was going to win.

While I may be having selective memory (it's an age thing) I really don't remember "Flipping out".....any chance you might be confusing a difference of opinion with "Flipping out":rolleyes

 

[530RL]

I can easily and openly state that I am pro life, the other side of the debate will never, ever, admit they are pro death.

You are correct that the other side will not characterize itself as pro death. But equally true, the pro life group wants to talk about less government, lower taxes and personal responsibility in a vacuum when it comes to this topic. There are immature, non-responsible, drugged up, unemployed, underemployed and just plain out of touch with reality people going out and introducing sperm to egg on a minute by minute basis. If one is pro life, they are gonna have to admit that some percentage of the 58 million abortions in the US, and 1.5 billion abortions in the world since 1980 are gonna have to be raised by the taxpayers with higher taxes and more government.

I know a lot of people who are staunchly pro life, but very few of them will never, ever admit that by being pro life, they are for more taxes and bigger government.

 

[regor]

By the way, I knew Obama was going to win over Mitt Romney

Just not enough to take a grand off of me:rolleyes

You would have had me at the edge of the Golden Gate, if you had any balls Socrates.

 

[Faceaz]

One of the reasons Mitt Romney was the best candidate was that he made a case for his own platform. McCain did not in 2008. McCain's platform was that Obama was a terrorist Kenyan. Romney took the high road, relatively. The high road may piss off the base who want their leader to cheat and lie his way into power but the high road will attract independents who are looking for a better answer. The base is already in the bag. Republicans need to appeal to the center. They won't, of course. Their dogs will continue to bite anyone who walks by the yard and they will continue to be completely surprised that nobody drops by to visit, anymore.

McCain did pretty well at trying to run a clean campaign, don't recall him ever referencing Obama as a terrorist Kenyan. He lost because the incompetent staff he surrounded himself with put Palin on the ticket.

So name a current viable candidate for the next presidential election, Rubio shot himself in the foot, Christy is going nowhere with Conservatives. What's the line in Regina Snatchscatchawan?

Doesn't matter if Christy is going nowhere with conservatives - that's not what will win the election. If nominated, I guarantee the sheep of the Republican party will fall in line & paint him as a saint in a effort to beat whoever is on the left. He is the only viable candidate on the right, because he will pull votes from the center & left.

 

[Tom Brown]

I can easily and openly state that I am pro life...

Pro life, eh? All life is sacred? How do you feel about the death penalty?

 

[Tom Brown]

Doesn't matter if Christy is going nowhere with conservatives - that's not what will win the election. If nominated, I guarantee the sheep of the Republican party will fall in line & paint him as a saint in a effort to beat whoever is on the left. He is the only viable candidate on the right, because he will pull votes from the center & left.

Christy is a pretty viable candidate and I don't believe it's the case that he is going nowhere with conservatives. He is going nowhere with fascists but quite a few Republicans believe in him. He would do well.

 

[500bbc]

Pro life, eh? All life is sacred? How do you feel about the death penalty?

There you go again Tom, Through the pretzel logic of a liberal you equate murdering your neighbor's innocent daughter to executing Jeffrey Dahmer.oint

 

[500bbc]

Christy is a pretty viable candidate and I don't believe it's the case that he is going nowhere with conservatives. He is going nowhere with fascists but quite a few Republicans believe in him. He would do well.

No Tom, he's going no where with Conservatives.
The only reason Mitt lost was a very large part of the Republican voter block didn't show at the polls. They certainly won't show for Christy.

Wait until Hillary finishes what bobo started and there may be a slim chance of a Conservative being elected, although by then all illegal aliens will have been granted the right to vote.

The End

 

[Tom Brown]

McCain did pretty well at trying to run a clean campaign, don't recall him ever referencing Obama as a terrorist Kenyan. He lost because the incompetent staff he surrounded himself with put Palin on the ticket.

Your memory of the campaign is different than mine... and YouTube's. Just do a search or two.

[video=youtube;Nt3s6bZWQeY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt3s6bZWQeY[/video]

 

[was thatguy]

Just not enough to take a grand off of me:rolleyes

You would have had me at the edge of the Golden Gate, if you had any balls Socrates.

Cry me a river! I had to send Danny a hundred bucks!!!:yikes

 

[Faceaz]

Your memory of the campaign is different than mine... and YouTube's. Just do a search or two.

[video=youtube;Nt3s6bZWQeY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt3s6bZWQeY[/video]

Maybe the initial Ayers thing was planted by McCain's camp, something I believe he regretted... Fast forward to minutes 4, 5, 6 of your own video & see McCain defending Obama as a decent man, drawing boo's from his supporters in the process.

 

[Tom Brown]

Maybe the initial Ayers thing was planted by McCain's camp, something I believe he regretted... Fast forward to minutes 4, 5, 6 of your own video & see McCain defending Obama as a decent man, drawing boo's from his supporters in the process.

Yeah. He had to back away when the woman called Obama an Arab. My Gawd! lol!

 

[regor]

Maybe the initial Ayers thing was planted by McCain's camp, something I believe he regretted... Fast forward to minutes 4, 5, 6 of your own video & see McCain defending Obama as a decent man, drawing boo's from his supporters in the process.

His supporters knew, what the fuck was his excuse? He should be thrown to the wolves, along with that incompetent fool in the WH.

 

[Froggystyle]

The Democrats set the intellectual bar pretty low but Republicans always manage to get underneath that bar.

Sure, there are smart people in both parties but how do you expect to sway anyone to see things the Republican way when you're dumb as dogs?

This would have been extra rad if you had said "your as dumb as dogs"...

 

[Froggystyle]

I can easily and openly state that I am pro life, the other side of the debate will never, ever, admit they are pro death.

I am totally pro-death. Totally. In a bunch of ways... Not just limited to abortion rights.

Now... Considering I am clearly on the "other side" of this debate, and I just not only admitted it but embraced it... It seems that your judgment with regard to "never ever" is flawed.

Much like a lot of your "facts" and line in the sand declarations that just MUST be true because you say it emphatically.

Try capitals next time. That really gets the point across I have heard.

 

[boater250s]

You are correct that the other side will not characterize itself as pro death. But equally true, the pro life group wants to talk about less government, lower taxes and personal responsibility in a vacuum when it comes to this topic. There are immature, non-responsible, drugged up, unemployed, underemployed and just plain out of touch with reality people going out and introducing sperm to egg on a minute by minute basis. If one is pro life, they are gonna have to admit that some percentage of the 58 million abortions in the US, and 1.5 billion abortions in the world since 1980 are gonna have to be raised by the taxpayers with higher taxes and more government.

I know a lot of people who are staunchly pro life, but very few of them will never, ever admit that by being pro life, they are for more taxes and bigger government.

As you can see, I don't post much. Pro choice or pro life, this post couldn't be more right on!!!

 

[Tom Brown]

This would have been extra rad if you had said "your as dumb as dogs"...

It's a shame guys like 500bbc yell the loudest. They seem to be the ones the independents hear. The guy who has a pretty good handle on the world and votes Republican isn't likely to make an impression on an independent voter but when you turn on the news, you get to hear about how women don't get pregnant from legitimate rape from the anger machine.

I wish some of you more reasonable guys would repatriate the Republican party so I could feel better about what's going on next door. lol!

There are tons of reasonable Republicans but you have relinquished the con.

 

[Froggystyle]

There are tons of reasonable Republicans but you have relinquished the con.

In the market for a new boat to helm. Spend more time bailing out old water on this one than sailing it.

As my Dad once said... Might be time to jack up the fan belt and drive under a new car.