When a hooker steals. in your home..... and then the Response options

[DILLIGAF]

I hate my life look comes to mind

 

[17 10 Flat]

News Update.... [and a pic cause we all like pics but keep in mind I have to sneak any pics... apparently dancers/ strippers /hookers don't like all the young bucks always taking em and posting everywhere] She missed the Big Poppy gig and arrived Sat around 2pm looking smashing and dressed for success. I caused the visit I'm sure by letting her know I'd be arranging my traditional weekly/ bi monthly massage table sessions once I identify a proper sports masseus down here. I'm working out again after a 5 year sabaticle and my spine injuries get irritated so regular massage is necessary and enjoyed. I told her if I'm to pay a stranger for massage services regularily and I heard her claim to know massage techniques a while back why not pay her? I said she needs money/ I need massage... lets get on this. Boy was that ever like ringing the fucking dinner bell. She arrived next day and never asked about the money or costs once. Fascinating right. I'd give her massage a 3 on a 5 scale... I know RD watching so lets just say things went very well for both parties involved. She was in shower so I rifled through her purse finding $60 usd and some keys and two charge cards. I dropped $60 usd in there and for next 48 hours we just partied, fucked and had one helluva good time. Best so far actually. It was amazing how differently she responded and acted now.... heck I don't even know if she even noticed the extra cash in her purse cause we never left each others side for two days and when we ventured out [She digs Carls Jr] she left purse behind. Baffling.... I swear just the mention that I'd be assisting her with $ as able might've been the switch.I've gone to great lengths to explain I can't afford to take over her financially so if thats the end hame she should consider other men. [Dont forget fellas... never appear like you have money/ wealth in MX... ever... there's eyes everywhere here and it ain't just the Klepto hookers watching] So everythings hunky dory at the moment. Still have amy organs ... and one is extremely worn out and she left today at noon to go see her mom and brothers at home and then off to school at night... followed by a shift at the titty bar. Bills need to be paid and I heard her facetiming with both her mom and her pops on this visit. Her dads not around and has a drug addiction issue but sounded fun and entertaining on the call. Moms another story... she lives with her and two younger brothers... now that call caused her stress. I dont speak their language but you don't have to to feel that stress and see it on her face and body language. Momma needs bills paid.... so off to work her daughter goes. Man, what an awful life.... hard to imagine really. Enjoy the pics but look at her expression at 24 when she doesn't know she's being photographed.... thats too young to have that look.

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What makes me go huh, tats aren't cheap. If one is tight on funds why get all the body art???
Not complaing just not understanding.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

Now in this last post you admittedly paying for sex. Going through her purse while she is out of the room, but it's ok because you put money in there? I think you have some issues and maybe someone should be doing a "social experiment" on you and the way you are ok with this. You are have no intention on helping this girl, just getting what you pay for. Ask yourself WHY she has that look on her face. I can tell you, she is fukn some old dude for $$ and that was not her life goals but what she has had to do to support her family. Have you ever offered $ to just clean the house? Tidy up? Wash your truck? Anything non sexual? Nope I'm sure not..

Sorry after your last post shit just got creepy good luck in your voyage I guess

 

[17 10 Flat]

I'll lead off by saying this is a question and NOT a judgement but has it occurred to you that the look on her face and in her eyes might have something to do with what she is about to do, or has already done, with a man over 40 years older than her?
All to earn a couple bucks to help her family get by.

If so, has that caused any introspection on your part?

Again, just a question.
You've stated this is a social experiment / behavioral study on your part so I guess it's fair since you've shared the information, for it to be the same on my part.

I would think she has been with worse.

 

[17 10 Flat]

Now in this last post you admittedly paying for sex. Going through her purse while she is out of the room, but it's ok because you put money in there? I think you have some issues and maybe someone should be doing a "social experiment" on you and the way you are ok with this. You are have no intention on helping this girl, just getting what you pay for. Ask yourself WHY she has that look on her face. I can tell you, she is fukn some old dude for $$ and that was not her life goals but what she has had to do to support her family. Have you ever offered $ to just clean the house? Tidy up? Wash your truck? Anything non sexual? Nope I'm sure not..

Sorry after your last post shit just got creepy good luck in your voyage I guess

I for one would want to know if she has a gun....just sayin. Shit goes sideways boom you dead.

 

[clarence]

I'll lead off by saying this is a question and NOT a judgement but has it occurred to you that the look on her face and in her eyes might have something to do with what she is about to do, or has already done, with a man over 40 years older than her?
All to earn a couple bucks to help her family get by.

Has it occurred to you the privilege you have to question her choices?

Her world's a tougher place than you know. She's no good options.

You'd rather she trick at the club? Work in the drug trade?

A well-meaning sugar daddy is likely the best thing in her life.

 

[Done-it-again]

Has it occurred to you the privilege you have to question her choices?

Her world's a tougher place than you know. She's no good options.

You'd rather she trick at the club? Work in the drug trade?

A well-meaning sugar daddy is likely the best thing in her life.

She’s still doing the things you say, cause the sugar daddy has said he’s not taking over her bills.

Very interesting this post, Thanks Op for bringing us along.

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

Oooooorrr she could just be thinking about what she want's for lunch??
Maybe she was hi and just thinking about a pepsi? Haha

I like that one... and for sure she likes getting high... she popped out a Strawberry vape and I hit that thang and coughed like mad... I gotta be careful on her weed. She's a professional... me very novice preferring flower.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Has it occurred to you the privilege you have to question her choices?

Her world's a tougher place than you know. She's no good options.

You'd rather she trick at the club? Work in the drug trade?

A well-meaning sugar daddy is likely the best thing in her life.

I don't want to get into a sidetrack discussion, but where in my post did you see me questioning her choices in life?

Both are grown adults and make whatever decisions suit their situation and live with the results.

The OP has stated on more than one occasion the sadness he sees, or thinks he sees, in her eyes and demeanor.

My question was simple.

If he sees this and attributes it to the lifestyle she's leading, does he feel any remorse for taking part in the continuation of that lifestyle.

Remember, this apparently is a social experiment and or study in human nature.

Any reason all of them can't be part of the study?

 

[fishing fool]

Looks like she needs to fart but has a turtle head sticking out...........

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

I'll lead off by saying this is a question and NOT a judgement but has it occurred to you that the look on her face and in her eyes might have something to do with what she is about to do, or has already done, with a man over 40 years older than her?
All to earn a couple bucks to help her family get by.

If so, has that caused any introspection on your part?

Again, just a question.
You've stated this is a social experiment / behavioral study on your part so I guess it's fair since you've shared the information, for it to be the same on my part.

I will do my best to respond in kind to your "Question" not being a "Judgement" I think you'll agree thats a fine line and I appreciated your differentiation. Yes it has occurred to me at our onset that my actions with her can cause her to consider why and with whom she chooses to spend time with. For me I don't ever try to control people nor tell them how to live their lives. She has made it clear she needs money and she also has finally shared that she works at the Big Boy strip clubs... this took time for her to admit as she at first represented she was just in these clubs to sit on losers laps and have conversation. I preferred to believe that but have since learned its not the case. So my present position is to help someone I adore financially while not asking for anything in return other than massages. If she chooses to have our massages become sensual she is an adult and a smart girl from what I see... thats on her. I have developed feelings for her and this is very unfamiliar territory for me having never associated with a prostitute on any level. But it very well could be that she can compartmentalize at such a young age already. from my perspective this will end with me being disappointed ... I'm an alpha traditional southern old school male driven by a large ego... but to answer your question this for me is also a means for me to alter how I have been for most of my adult life. I am being forced to share a woman I feel strongly about with other men on what may be a nightly schedule. I have compartmentalized this so far but it will remain a challenge for me. I have never been in a non monogamous relationship so you can imagine the strain this choice of mine places on me. I am at a stage of growth having lost a dear friend recently who was 15 years my junior and that taught me how precious life truly is. I'm fine with dying tomorrow having accomplished much so I see this cultural and social experiment a means to grow. Sorry long answer but an excellent question that took time & thought. Lastly I will say that if I believed I was participating in activities that might cause this woman harm or additional damage I would discuss that with her and cease the activities as mutually agreed.

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

Has it occurred to you the privilege you have to question her choices?

Her world's a tougher place than you know. She's no good options.

You'd rather she trick at the club? Work in the drug trade?

A well-meaning sugar daddy is likely the best thing in her life.

I can help her and though Ive not shared that because its far too soon .... but it may become a consideration over time. I imagine the clubs she works in are full of "well meaning saviors" who develop feelings and tell these girls they can "save" them.

 

[DILLIGAF]

I guess we shall all see who out exploits who

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

If he sees this and attributes it to the lifestyle she's leading, does he feel any remorse for taking part in the continuation of that lifestyle.

This is the essence of your question and I respect it. This town is truly a minimal optioned location to live for these girls... I've been to Jamaica many times witnessing what families allow and insist on daughters do to survive. At some point I think humans in these positions give back all the societal cultural/ moral training and brainwashing fed to all of us through life. Its basic survival and not much more.

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

Looks like she needs to fart but has a turtle head sticking out...........

Stay vested in the thread buddy... I know this is getting a bit heavy today and I appreciate all humor.

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

I guess we shall all see who out exploits who

Aren't most relationships mutually exploitative Good ones are win/ wins for both parties I think. Exploit might not be the appropriate term in this case but it may be.

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

I hate my life look comes to mind

She has told me she is overwhelmed by her lifes situation..... I think her coming to my place allows her an escape and respite and she has fun, is able to be cared for and comforted.

 

[wzuber]

She is as "stuck there" as all the other illegals crossing the boarder are "stuck there". She may feel obligated to stay and care for her family but they too can cross the boarder just as well as the other 8 gajillion have.
I'm not advocating for more boarder hoppers btw. Just a perspective...

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

What makes me go huh, tats aren't cheap. If one is tight on funds why get all the body art???
Not complaing just not understanding.

Agreed. I have learned not to ask questions... ever JaJaJa... there's rule lawyers learn early in school; Never ask a question without knowing the answer. In my case I don't ask probing questions... yet.

 

[DILLIGAF]

Aren't most relationships mutually exploitative Good ones are win/ wins for both parties I think. Exploit might not be the appropriate term in this case but it may be.

Make no mistake about it.....it ain't about love....or even any future. It is a highly exploitive situation IMO.

It is what it is.....

 

[wzuber]

Agreed. I have learned not to ask questions... ever JaJaJa... there's rule lawyers learn early in school; Never ask a question without knowing the answer. In my case I don't ask probing questions... yet.

maybe she paid with a different currency?
Isn't everything "cheap" in mexicali?

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

She is as "stuck there" as all the other illegals crossing the boarder are "stuck there". She may feel obligated to stay and care for her family but they too can cross the boarder just as well as the other 8 gajillion have.
I'm not advocating for more boarder hoppers btw. Just a perspective...

Fair comment... I don't have a credible response.

 

[BHC Vic]

I will do my best to respond in kind to your "Question" not being a "Judgement" I think you'll agree thats a fine line and I appreciated your differentiation. Yes it has occurred to me at our onset that my actions with her can cause her to consider why and with whom she chooses to spend time with. For me I don't ever try to control people nor tell them how to live their lives. She has made it clear she needs money and she also has finally shared that she works at the Big Boy strip clubs... this took time for her to admit as she at first represented she was just in these clubs to sit on losers laps and have conversation. I preferred to believe that but have since learned it’s not the case. So my present position is to help someone I adore financially while not asking for anything in return other than massages. If she chooses to have our massages become sensual she is an adult and a smart girl from what I see... thats on her. I have developed feelings for her and this is very unfamiliar territory for me having never associated with a prostitute on any level. But it very well could be that she can compartmentalize at such a young age already. from my perspective this will end with me being disappointed ... I'm an alpha traditional southern old school male driven by a large ego... but to answer your question this for me is also a means for me to alter how I have been for most of my adult life. I am being forced to share a woman I feel strongly about with other men on what may be a nightly schedule. I have compartmentalized this so far but it will remain a challenge for me. I have never been in a non monogamous relationship so you can imagine the strain this choice of mine places on me. I am at a stage of growth having lost a dear friend recently who was 15 years my junior and that taught me how precious life truly is. I'm fine with dying tomorrow having accomplished much so I see this cultural and social experiment a means to grow. Sorry long answer but an excellent question that took time & thought. Lastly I will say that if I believed I was participating in activities that might cause this woman harm or additional damage I would discuss that with her and cease the activities as mutually agreed.

This is a very interesting post and you covered a lot of things I wondered. I’m still following along for sure

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

Make no mistake about it.....it ain't about love....or even any future. It is a highly exploitive situation IMO.

It is what it is.....

Cool... I framed this thread as an open discussion. No judgments on my part. I chose to share. I fully expect pitchforks to resume later....its the nature of our species.

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

This is a very interesting post and you covered a lot of things I wondered. I’m still following along for sure

Thanks. This thread I see as a journey and has evolutions which remain very intriguing ... to me anyways. Glad you are coming along.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

This is the essence of your question and I respect it. This town is truly a minimal optioned location to live for these girls... I've been to Jamaica many times witnessing what families allow and insist on daughters do to survive. At some point I think humans in these positions give back all the societal cultural/ moral training and brainwashing fed to all of us through life. Its basic survival and not much more.

I appreciate both of your answers.

This answer encapsulates the dilemma of whether or not by partaking in whatever is offered, are you enabling a lifestyle or supporting a lifestyle.

Most, if not all the members reading this thread have their own opinion and some make it quite clear.
On both sides.

What we all expect is that some will claim one side but if they believe nobody is watching, may very well go with the other.
You have chosen to make your position public and as long as you're truthful, then it's commendable. Even if some find it "creepy".

Keep on keeping on.

 

[Waterjunky]

Careful with that emotional part Hubba. I know the trap you can fall in with "friends". Remember where this started and where its at currently. There has been a huge shift. It wouldn't take that much more to get very ugly.

Not judging or preaching, just be careful.

 

[fishing fool]

Stay vested in the thread buddy... I know this is getting a bit heavy today and I appreciate all humor.

You did say you just ate Carls Jr.

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

I appreciate both of your answers.

This answer encapsulates the dilemma of whether or not by partaking in whatever is offered, are you enabling a lifestyle or supporting a lifestyle.

Most, if not all the members reading this thread have their own opinion and some make it quite clear.
On both sides.

What we all expect is that some will claim one side but if they believe nobody is watching, may very well go with the other.
You have chosen to make your position public and as long as you're truthful, then it's commendable. Even if some find it "creepy".

Keep on keeping on.

Great summation... your statement regarding the encapsulation is spot on I think. Kinda like the drug use challenges and border challenges we are witnessing.... if you cut off the demand the behavior ceases. Sexual attraction however is what maintains our existence so I'm in at this small stage

 

[TimeBandit]

I had no idea there was Carl's Jr in Baja but then I haven't been there in over 50 years!

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

Careful with that emotional part Hubba. I know the trap you can fall in with "friends". Remember where this started and where its at currently. There has been a huge shift. It wouldn't take that much more to get very ugly.

Not judging or preaching, just be careful.

Thanks man. I'm cautious in nature on all things and fortunately/ unfortunately I am very soft hearted while many in this world and certainly in her circumstances are very very cold hearted. My guards are up.... and I can tell hers are as well. There's no rush in this situation. I set the pace in such matters and tend to never get off balance. Its good to be an old dude in such matters.

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

I had no idea there was Carl's Jr in Baja but then I haven't been there in over 50 years!

Yeah its kinda funny for me... I lived part time in Corona del Mar Ca where every female is trained to expect an expensive meal on dates and this gal wakes up dreaming about Carls Jr chicken fingers, fries and strawberry shakes. Its good to be 24 and able to eat that shit. I'm not a fast food guy but gotta say I took her and her bestie to Carls once and dropped $60 usd and man oh man was that shit tasty. We got so much food I think I fed on it for couple days.

 

[rivermobster]

Now in this last post you admittedly paying for sex. Going through her purse while she is out of the room, but it's ok because you put money in there? I think you have some issues and maybe someone should be doing a "social experiment" on you and the way you are ok with this. You are have no intention on helping this girl, just getting what you pay for. Ask yourself WHY she has that look on her face. I can tell you, she is fukn some old dude for $$ and that was not her life goals but what she has had to do to support her family. Have you ever offered $ to just clean the house? Tidy up? Wash your truck? Anything non sexual? Nope I'm sure not..

Sorry after your last post shit just got creepy good luck in your voyage I guess

My mom taught me when I was a young boy...

NEVER go though a woman's purse.

Even when my wife would ask me to get something out of her purse. Nope! I'd hand it to her, so she could get it herself.

The way I was raised, it was a cardinal sin to do such a thing.

Just saying...

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

My mom taught me when I was a young boy...

NEVER go though a woman's purse.

Even when my wife would ask me to get something out of her purse. Nope! I'd hand it to her, so she could get it herself.

The way I was raised, it was a cardinal sin to do such a thing.

Just saying...

Same here.

I've never even looked in my wife's purse when she's asked me to retrieve something.

 

[Bigbore500r]

My mom taught me when I was a young boy...

NEVER go though a woman's purse.

Even when my wife would ask me to get something out of her purse. Nope! I'd hand it to her, so she could get it herself.

The way I was raised, it was a cardinal sin to do such a thing.

Just saying...

You ever try to find your car keys in a purse?

Fuck purses!

 

[clarence]

If he sees this and attributes it to the lifestyle she's leading, does he feel any remorse for taking part in the continuation of that lifestyle.

Seriously, why would he?

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

You ever try to find your car keys in a purse?

Fuck purses!

It's a European carryall.

(For the Seinfeld fans)

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Seriously, why would he?

There's a multitude of reasons he would.

I'm not claiming he should or shouldn't, I'm asking "does he" and he has responded.

 

[clarence]

I'm not claiming he should or shouldn't

If you respect her decision, as you claim, why ask the question of him?


To suggest he might be a bad influence on her "lifestyle" gives him too much credit, her too little, and her environment none at all.

Why don't you believe her need to support her family is most influential?

Do you imagine her life would be better without him in it?


(Understand, I'd argue he should feel remorse for taking part in the continuation of her lifestyle if her lifestyle was the problem. It's not. The problem is the environment, her lifestyle is her solution.)

 

[rrrr]

Same here.

I've never even looked in my wife's purse when she's asked me to retrieve something.

If your wife's purse is like my wife's purse, there's so much junk in the thing if there was a brick in it, you wouldn't be able to find it.

 

[Mandelon]

I had to get some keys out of my wife's purse. I looked into the depths. I saw the keys. Next to my balls! I snagged them both. LOL

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

If you respect her decision, as you claim, why ask the question of him?


To suggest he might be a bad influence on her "lifestyle" gives him too much credit, her too little, and her environment none at all.

Why don't you believe her need to support her family is most influential?

Do you imagine her life would be better without him in it?


(Understand, I'd argue he should feel remorse for taking part in the continuation of her lifestyle if her lifestyle was the problem. It's not. The problem is the environment, her lifestyle is her solution.)

A lot to unpack there.

I never claimed to respect or disagree with her decisions. I only said they are both adults and free to do as they choose and must live with the results.

I also didn't suggest I feel he's a bad influence. I asked him if HE felt he might be.

I don't doubt for a moment her statement is that she's supporting her mother and 2 younger brothers despite the fact that there's no proof she doing so and it would be quite self serving to make that claim for sympathy and pity. I have no reason or desire to form an opinion on that.

Believe it or not, I don't spend any time imagining whether her life is better or worse under any circumstance.

As for your last statement, one could argue she's a product of her environment solely but that's really something we cannot know.
Generally it's a combination of factors rather than any one thing.

I'd like you to go back and carefully read my original post about this as I believe you have read things into it that I didn't write.

 

[Backlash]

I thought of you today @HubbaHubbaLife because of this situation and the Netflix series titled "Yankee." It's not the greatest series ever, but had some parallel similarities to this thread.

 

[clarence]

I'd like you to go back and carefully read my original post about this as I believe you have read things into it that I didn't write.

I just think it's odd to imagine the look on her face and in her eyes "might have something to do with what she is about to do, or has already done, with a man over 40 years older than her" rather than:

what you see in that girl I think is poverty eyes...

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I just think it's odd to imagine the look on her face and in her eyes "might have something to do with what she is about to do, or has already done, with a man over 40 years older than her" rather than:

Those were essentially the musings of Hubba himself in previous posts but he has answered my questions so I'll just accept that you think it's odd.

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

I thought of you today @HubbaHubbaLife because of this situation and the Netflix series titled "Yankee." It's not the greatest series ever, but had some parallel similarities to this thread.

Thanks... I'll give it a look... ah, I like the trailer and 25 episodes is good. I'm in!

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

I just think it's odd to imagine the look on her face and in her eyes "might have something to do with what she is about to do, or has already done, with a man over 40 years older than her" rather than:

Agree... you are making some intelligent comments tonight

 

[Angler]

Thanks man. I'm cautious in nature on all things and fortunately/ unfortunately I am very soft hearted while many in this world and certainly in her circumstances are very very cold hearted. My guards are up.... and I can tell hers are as well. There's no rush in this situation. I set the pace in such matters and tend to never get off balance. Its good to be an old dude in such matters.

Enjoy the experience. Some people will never understand.

 

[The Prisoner]

If your wife's purse is like my wife's purse, there's so much junk in the thing if there was a brick in it, you wouldn't be able to find it.

 

[FCT]

There is no “social experiment”. It’s a troubled young girl with probably a fucked up life that is desperate to probably get out of that lifestyle but really doesn’t have much of a choice so she picks a old man praying on her because it’s safer then a random every night that may beat her and or kill her. So who is really the desperate one here? Trying to get high fives from a bunch of guys here like your in high school for praying on a hooker is pathetic and childish IMO. You’re no better than the next guy.

You can bash away at me I don’t really give a shit.