Vegas tragedy, how do we stop the violence?????

[McRib]

I have not read this entire thread so I hope I'm not repeating anything.

There is no answer to what can be done. You can't fight what you can't see. Inner demons are easy to mask and get eaiser with time.

Creating an all enforcing entity won't work because humans are flawed and what makes one human more "knowledgeable" than another? Who decides who has the final say so on who gets to own a weapon? A class? A class based on theory? There is no set answer in the psychiatric world. 99% of that world is opinion. There is a reason therapists don't provide answers. They don't have the answers! They are a 3rd party listener there to insert key words or phrases to redirect the thought process of the patient in hopes they have an "holy shit" moment and a leap to figuring life out on there own.

Look at officer dorner. He passed ALL PD tests and evals and was a cop for quite a while. A cop with nothing significant in his disciplinary service record. He flipped a switch and went nuts taking many lives with him. He is just one example of many.

I'm not saying that nothing should be done. We all wish there is an answer. I don't believe there is. These incidents are such a low percentage. It sucks that the 99% have to pay for the indiscretions of the 1%.

Making more stuff illegal is not the answer. Criminals and crazies will always find a way.

 

[Tank]

Spectacular, well written and seemingly zero spin / factual look at gun control and gun violence.

This is from a writer that, self proclaims, to lean towards the anti gun side of the coin. This article was re-published for the Washington post.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...-me-otherwise/ar-AAsRR7y?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Leah Libresco is a statistician and former newswriter at FiveThirtyEight, a data journalism site. She is the author of ?Arriving at Amen.?

Before I started researching gun deaths, gun-control policy used to frustrate me. I wished the National Rifle Association would stop blocking common-sense gun-control reforms such as banning assault weapons, restricting silencers, shrinking magazine sizes and all the other measures that could make guns less deadly.


Then, my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies I?d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence. The best ideas left standing were narrowly tailored interventions to protect subtypes of potential victims, not broad attempts to limit the lethality of guns.

I researched the strictly tightened gun laws in Britain and Australia and concluded that they didn?t prove much about what America?s policy should be. Neither nation experienced drops in mass shootings or other gun related-crime that could be attributed to their buybacks and bans. Mass shootings were too rare in Australia for their absence after the buyback program to be clear evidence of progress. And in both Australia and Britain, the gun restrictions had an ambiguous effect on other gun-related crimes or deaths.

When I looked at the other oft-praised policies, I found out that no gun owner walks into the store to buy an ?assault weapon.? It?s an invented classification that includes any semi-automatic that has two or more features, such as a bayonet mount, a rocket-propelled grenade-launcher mount, a folding stock or a pistol grip. But guns are modular, and any hobbyist can easily add these features at home, just as if they were snapping together Legos.

As for silencers ? they deserve that name only in movies, where they reduce gunfire to a soft puick puick. In real life, silencers limit hearing damage for shooters but don?t make gunfire dangerously quiet. An AR-15 with a silencer is about as loud as a jackhammer. Magazine limits were a little more promising, but a practiced shooter could still change magazines so fast as to make the limit meaningless.

As my co-workers and I kept looking at the data, it seemed less and less clear that one broad gun-control restriction could make a big difference. Two-thirds of gun deaths in the United States every year are suicides. Almost no proposed restriction would make it meaningfully harder for people with guns on hand to use them. I couldn't even answer my most desperate question: If I had a friend who had guns in his home and a history of suicide attempts, was there anything I could do that would help?

However, the next-largest set of gun deaths ? 1 in 5 ? were young men aged 15 to 34, killed in homicides. These men were most likely to die at the hands of other young men, often related to gang loyalties or other street violence. And the last notable group of similar deaths was the 1,700 women murdered per year, usually as the result of domestic violence. Far more people were killed in these ways than in mass-shooting incidents, but few of the popularly floated policies were tailored to serve them.

By the time we published our project, I didn?t believe in many of the interventions I?d heard politicians tout. I was still anti-gun, at least from the point of view of most gun owners, and I don?t want a gun in my home, as I think the risk outweighs the benefits. But I can?t endorse policies whose only selling point is that gun owners hate them. Policies that often seem as if they were drafted by people who have encountered guns only as a figure in a briefing book or an image on the news.

Instead, I found the most hope in more narrowly tailored interventions. Potential suicide victims, women menaced by their abusive partners and kids swept up in street vendettas are all in danger from guns, but they each require different protections.

Older men, who make up the largest share of gun suicides, need better access to people who could care for them and get them help. Women endangered by specific men need to be prioritized by police, who can enforce restraining orders prohibiting these men from buying and owning guns. Younger men at risk of violence need to be identified before they take a life or lose theirs and to be connected to mentors who can help them de-escalate conflicts.

Even the most data-driven practices, such as New Orleans? plan to identify gang members for intervention based on previous arrests and weapons seizures, wind up more personal than most policies floated. The young men at risk can be identified by an algorithm, but they have to be disarmed one by one, personally ? not en masse as though they were all interchangeable. A reduction in gun deaths is most likely to come from finding smaller chances for victories and expanding those solutions as much as possible. We save lives by focusing on a range of tactics to protect the different kinds of potential victims and reforming potential killers, not from sweeping bans focused on the guns themselves.

 

[Instigator]

Here is some insight to a common sense solution to firearm deaths. And it came from someone at the Washington Post too.:eek
The Washington Post: I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwo96EnzY

 

[WhatExit?]

Here is some insight to a common sense solution to firearm deaths. And it came from someone at the Washington Post too.:eek
The Washington Post: I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwo96EnzY

It's an opinion piece in the WP.

<EDIT: Deleted the text as others have now added it>

 

[530RL]

None of it makes sense. Today on my way home I was three times more likely to die in an auto accident than I was by a gun but nobody is writing legislation to go back to riding horses and stagecoaches.

We are all more likely to die from driving a car, drowning while taking a bath or even eating food than we are to be killed by a gun, an act such as Vegas or even be killed by radical islamic terrorist.

Yet we spend triillions of dollars and tens of thousands of lives in foreign countries, we continually argue over attempting to implement gun control or gun bans and spend countless hours of time arguing over all other sorts of policies to make us do nothing but feel safer.

None of it ever has, nor will it ever make sense.

But one thing is certain, humans will continue to prioritize solving problems based upon emotions and fear as opposed to mathematical reality.

Same as it ever was, same as it will always be.

 

[Tank]

We are all more likely to die from driving a car, drowning while taking a bath or even eating food than we are to be killed by a gun, an act such as Vegas or even be killed by radical islamic terrorist.

Yet we spend triillions of dollars and tens of thousands of lives in foreign countries, we continually argue over attempting to implement gun control or gun bans and spend countless hours of time arguing over all other sorts of policies to make us do nothing but feel safer.

None of it ever has, nor will it ever make sense.

But one thing is certain, humans will continue to prioritize solving problems based upon emotions and fear as opposed to mathematical reality.

Same as it ever was, same as it will always be.

Well said.

 

[Instigator]

We are all more likely to die from driving a car, drowning while taking a bath or even eating food than we are to be killed by a gun, an act such as Vegas or even be killed by radical islamic terrorist.

Yet we spend triillions of dollars and tens of thousands of lives in foreign countries, we continually argue over attempting to implement gun control or gun bans and spend countless hours of time arguing over all other sorts of policies to make us do nothing but feel safer.

None of it ever has, nor will it ever make sense.

But one thing is certain, humans will continue to prioritize solving problems based upon emotions and fear as opposed to mathematical reality.

Same as it ever was, same as it will always be.

Well said Dan.
Now if the us could only figure this out beforehand and stop wasting all the money on these feel good efforts we could actually be able to accomplish something productive and be both financially and socially better off.:thumbup:
But that will never happen either.:thumbsdown

 

[Instigator]

It's an opinion piece in the WP:

Agreed, The point was that even the Leftist Washington Post Printed it. And isn't everything the Washington Post Prints Their Opinion?:rolleyes

 

[DaveC]

After reading about the premeditation taken by this scum bag, it absolutely makes my blood boil.:thumbsdown

This piece of garbage methodically planned this assault ahead of time and took several days getting ready at the hotel. He even had a platform to use to get a better angle. :eek He took his time planning a perfect assault on that innocent crowd. He planned to massacre those people in what could only be described as a turkey shoot. That is pure fucking evil.

Cold, calculating murder of innocent unarmed people is what it was........ Very sad.

I am heartbroken for the families of the survivors. That is no way for anyone to die.

Death by suicide was too good for this piece of shit. I hope he rots in hell.

As to the OP's original point. What do we do as a society in the face of such callous, cold-calculating premeditated murder such as this? It is hard to say.

 

[Old Texan]

10 pages and it is pretty much as I figured. We can't read minds and even then, the odds do not favor stopping lone wolves turned mad dog.

The last couple pages are encouraging in the fact some "anti-gun" folks are realizing typical gun control arguments won't change these quests of mass murderers. All normal folks can really do is educate society to understand changes in those close to them and be aware of suspicious people. Cover your backs and watch out for your families....

 

[pronstar]

It's an opinion piece in the WP:

I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise.
The Washington Post
Leah Libresco ? Oct 3, 2017
Leah Libresco is a statistician and former newswriter at FiveThirtyEight, a data journalism site. She is the author of ?Arriving at Amen.?

Here is some insight to a common sense solution to firearm deaths. And it came from someone at the Washington Post too.:eek
The Washington Post: I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwo96EnzY

Guys that's the same article posted by Tank.
Same author, a bunch of pubs are running it :thumbup:

 

[Xring01]

Thanks to everyone on this thread for taking the time to share there thoughts. Most I agreed with, and some not so much. But I still appreciate that they shared there thoughts.

IMHO: How can you prosecute or prevent stupid people from doing stupid shit. Its never gonna happen. You cannot Stupid Proof American.

Back to the point of the original intent of this thread, Side note: Old Texan, special thanks to you for starting it.
The average person is just way to busy with LIFE, to enjoy LIFE. Average person is getting pulled in many different directions at the same time. When they take a moment to breath, relax, another work email comes in. Or Kids need help with another stupid Homework project that some stupid teacher thinks is important. (Dont get me started on that topic).

Then factor in all the tax's, tax hikes, prices grocerys, planning for retirement, fix house, fix the car, what the fuck, when did the price tires double, or batterys going up 25%..

Average person: Who did there best in life, just fucking snaps. It happens.. Does Stupid Shit

Let me share something with all of you that I wrote: When my mom passed away Jan 2017.
My Mom,
Probably the Hardest Working, Money Saver, most loyal, loving person that I know. But she is my mom, so I might be a bit biased.
Was I the best son as I could be. I can honestly look myself in the Mirror and say I did OK. I left home at 17, turned 18 in Boot Camp. Did my best to call her a minimum of once a week, see her as often as I could. But I left home at 17, I have learned a lot since that time.
I am going to share with you the life lessons that I have learned about 3 & 4 Letter Words today.
For the kids in this room, I am not necessarily talking about the bad four letter words your parents spank you for saying. These 4 Letter words can be far worse than those.
Four Letter words bring up a lot of thoughts in your mind. I hope you leave here today, thinking of new 4 letter words.
So lets get stared, with my favorite 4 Letter word. TIME. Wow, what a 4 letter word. We only get so much of it. Making it the ultimate 4 letter word. Fortunately for me, someone who spends more time than you can imagine in SoCal traffic. Had a life changing moment one day, noticed a billboard. Showing a lake, a boat, with a family of 4 on the boat, with words stating, ?You only get 18 summers with your kids, how many do you have left?. My son was probably 5, my daughter was 3.5. Shit I only have 13 summers left. That hit me like a ton of bricks. The lesson that I learned that day, was never forgotten. I planned all vacations many years in advance. When I say the last two weeks of July. I am not exaggerating. Its was very easy to plan for. Everyone knew it, Every vendor, every customer, every friend, every relative. Need I say more. TIME the ultimate 4 letter word. Plan Accordingly. Did you notice that PLAN is another 4 letter word. Plan your Time accordingly. I just nailed you with a triple barrel 4 letter word. Plan your Time. And Buy a Boat? Another 4 letter word?
DEBT /SAVE/WORK? I am 45 years old, remember I turned 18 in boot camp. Spent many years under the water on a Fast Attach Submarine, which didn?t help my mothers health at the TIME. Being a young, dumb, Navy submariner, I traveled the world saw a lot of things, Met the love of my life in San Diego, been married 22 years and counting. I realized the lessons that my mom lived by (Save/Money Miser). We all know how much she liked to save, vs spend. Then factor in the Great Depression of the Housing Market in West Coast. Everyone I knew, let there house?s go into foreclosure, but my Mom and Dad (Johnny), always paid there debts. So did I, to my own detriment. but I learned to plan/forecast/save better. I know your wondering, where I am heading with this. Just stay with me, I am getting there. When occasions such as this come up. Death in the family, you cant Plan this in advance. So when you try to book a flight from SAN to SAT a couple of days notice, its $1100 per person, times 3-4 people. Which equates to a lot $$$ when you compare the cost of driving, but factor in 2 days driving to and from. When I was informed that my mom passed away, as much as I thought I was prepared for it, it still shook me to my core, we will get to another 4 letter word in a bit (LOVE).. It hurt more than I ever thought it could. But one of the first things that popped in my mind was how much it was going to cost me to Fly to Texas, vs Driving. I struggled with that decision for 8 hours. I am not up here complaining about how much it cost me to be here. I sharing with you that I have so much of my Mother in me (MIZER/Save), that it took me 8 plus hours to realize that I might have to much of my mother in me. My mom would not have flown, she would have driven to save the $$$. Wow. When that realization hit me. I cried. I am not joking. Just to clarify this, We flew, and Yes, I had the cash in the safe to pay for it, just like my mom. But the difficulty in booking those flights. I am my Mom. But spending that $$$ gives me more TIME with those I LOVE.
LOVE/CARE? Wow another great 4 Letter Word. My mom, love. No difference. They are the same to me. My mom loved like no other. She would sacrifice anything over those she loved. To her own detriment. Cleaned a lot of houses to makes her loved ones lives better. She dealt with similar situations with her sister Vivian, her mother Ruby, Johnny?s brother Davis. She never once complained, just took care of those she loved.
She worked far longer than she should have, but she wanted to make the lives better for those she loved. As her health declined, I was able to see that same attribute in my sister. Again this makes me cry. My moms final days could not have been in better hands. I have always loved Debbie, but watching her, handle this situation, makes me love her that much more. I am proud to call Debbie my sister, I love her, and can see Wanda in her.
Johnny the only paternal grandfather my kids have ever known. Which might take us back a former 4 letter word (Time). You might be asking why. Its very simple to me. Those that love you, and deserve what time you can give them. To the point, my kids never met my real father. Johnny is there grandfather, the only one they know. Which brings us back to LOVE ? Johnny is the only parent I have left. He might be short on words, and way to skinny, but his actions have always been loud and clear. Because he always loved us and gave us his time. Johnny truly loved Wanda. Wanda Truly Loved Johnny.
So to summarize the 4 Letter words:
Debt/Save/Work
Time/Plan/Boat ? go buy a BOAT, got side tracked on that one, back to 4 letter words
Love/Care
This comes from a grieving son, who only wished he could have done more for his Mom.
Which brings us to the ultimate 3 letter word.
MOM who I Loved so much, and wished I could have worked/saved/planned better to spend more time with.

 

[Raffit78]

Not sure if any or at all listen to Ben Shapiro podcast. He dissects gun control, statistics, and logic. 45 minutes or so but well worth anyone's time to get real facts. Us, other countries and results.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ben-shapiro-show/id1047335260?mt=2&i=1000393043785

 

[New to boating]

Easy Cowboy.... there is no reference to a "Missile Attack" anywhere in my post - my post refers to the actual event that took place and the fact set (as it known at this time) about this particular event. You comments would be a lot more effective if you could actually read what is written and respond to the content at hand....

And I can assure you, your not getting AN ARSENAL OF WEAPONS AND AMMO into a high rise hotel in the Philippines or Isreal - not gonna happen - your not getting past the parking lot security generally set up 1/4 mile from the property with Police that hvae fully automatic weapons and bomb sniffing dogs.... and your not getting into a shopping center either.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ge-prompt-casinos-think-security-experts.html

Wynn Resorts Installing Metal Detectors and Baggage Scanners...... FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT - not a shock that its the most successful operator in the ENTIRE TOWN....

 

[rivrrts429]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ge-prompt-casinos-think-security-experts.html

Wynn Resorts Installing Metal Detectors and Baggage Scanners...... FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT - not a shock that its the most successful operator in the ENTIRE TOWN....

It's a sad day that its come to this...

 

[RiverDave]

It's a sad day that its come to this...

I agree completely..

RD

 

[beaverretriever]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ge-prompt-casinos-think-security-experts.html

Wynn Resorts Installing Metal Detectors and Baggage Scanners...... FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT - not a shock that its the most successful operator in the ENTIRE TOWN....

You used to be able to carry a hand gun on a plane. Now we get scanned before we enter a damn hotel? WTF?

 

[Enen]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ge-prompt-casinos-think-security-experts.html

Wynn Resorts Installing Metal Detectors and Baggage Scanners...... FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT - not a shock that its the most successful operator in the ENTIRE TOWN....

I think this is a great solution. Wonder what their policy is for people that travel with guns? Can we check them into a safe at the hotel?

 

[Tank]

I think this is a great solution. Wonder what their policy is for people that travel with guns? Can we check them into a safe at the hotel?

HIIIIGHLY doubt that. They don't want the liability of storing guns. Places like dodger stadium, you're screwed. They say leave it in your car. [emoji15][emoji15][emoji849][emoji849]

 

[Enen]

HIIIIGHLY doubt that. They don't want the liability of storing guns. Places like dodger stadium, you're screwed. They say leave it in your car. [emoji15][emoji15][emoji849][emoji849]

Dodger Stadium? You can have guns in a car in California?

 

[Tank]

Dodger Stadium? You can have guns in a car in California?

Nope. Unless secured in a car safe.
Mark my words, legal or not CCW cop whatever you will be denied entry into Vegas hotels from here on out if your found in possession of a gun

 

[530RL]

My truck has a factory installed locking safe in it.

You could certainly pry it open with some work but you would have the truck alarm going off the entire time.



Metal detectors at Vegas hotels/casinos is going to be tough and without significant architectural changes, not very effective. The flow of people in and out of a property was not designed to be screened, contained, and then access managed in specific areas like an airport design. There are multiple entrances to most hotels depending upon if you self park or valet; depending upon if you are shopping, gambling or eating. There is no architectural control to manage if someone is coming from a self park area or from a pool area. A guest could be scanned literally a dozen times a day given how some properties are laid out.

To the extent everyone does it, I suspect everyone gets used to it and they manage it as best as they can by closing off certain access points. But those hotels and their business models are not designed with screening and then contained areas designed into the architecture.

 

[rivrrts429]

Nope. Unless secured in a car safe.
Mark my words, legal or not CCW cop whatever you will be denied entry into Vegas hotels from here on out if your found in possession of a gun

Define what a "safe" is?

Is that a locking trunk? Locking glove box? Locking center console?

 

[rivrrts429]

My truck has a factory installed locking safe in it.

You could certainly pry it open with some work but you would have the truck alarm going off the entire time.

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Metal detectors at Vegas hotels/casinos is going to be tough as the flow of people was not designed to be screened, contained, and then access managed in specific areas like an airport design. There are multiple entrances to most hotels depending upon if you self park or valet. There is no architectural control to manage if someone is coming from a self park area or from a pool area. A guest could be scanned literally a dozen times a day given how some properties are laid out.

To the extent everyone does it, I suspect everyone gets used to it and they manage it as best as they can by closing off certain access points. But those hotels and their business models are not designed with screening and then contained areas designed into the architecture.

I have an after market one just like it. [emoji106]

On a side note... I come walking out of a lunch meeting with a client yesterday. Car alarm next to my truck going off. Nobody gives a fuck. Just walking by like it's not even honking lol

 

[530RL]

I have an after market one just like it. [emoji106]

On a side note... I come walking out of a lunch meeting with a client yesterday. Car alarm next to my truck going off. Nobody gives a fuck. Just walking by like it's not even honking lol

I'm thinking of one of these for my newest car.......

[video=youtube;5h4joX0iF9A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h4joX0iF9A[/video]

 

[rivrrts429]

I'm thinking of one of these for my newest car.......

[video=youtube;5h4joX0iF9A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h4joX0iF9A[/video]

Lmao

 

[rivrrts429]

Metal detectors at Vegas hotels/casinos is going to be tough and without significant architectural changes, not very effective. The flow of people in and out of a property was not designed to be screened, contained, and then access managed in specific areas like an airport design. There are multiple entrances to most hotels depending upon if you self park or valet; depending upon if you are shopping, gambling or eating. There is no architectural control to manage if someone is coming from a self park area or from a pool area. A guest could be scanned literally a dozen times a day given how some properties are laid out.

To the extent everyone does it, I suspect everyone gets used to it and they manage it as best as they can by closing off certain access points. But those hotels and their business models are not designed with screening and then contained areas designed into the architecture.

Let's not forget who you are going to need to hire and who your vendors hire who deliver your product.

You can't have people willing to take a bribe to sneak shit in through the vendor delivery dock. The cost of Vegas is about to quadruple.

This will be a massive undertaking. Imagine what a pain in the ass it will be just to run in to a casino for a beverage while you're walking the strip.

 

[Tank]

Define what a "safe" is?

Is that a locking trunk? Locking glove box? Locking center console?

I don't define safe. California legislation decided this year that weapons kept in a vehicle have to be in a locked safe (not trunk or glove box) that is secured to the vehicle in some manner. It was to combat all the guns getting stolen from people's cars (many cops guns[emoji849])
Something like this

 

[New to boating]

My truck has a factory installed locking safe in it.

You could certainly pry it open with some work but you would have the truck alarm going off the entire time.

View attachment 590935

Metal detectors at Vegas hotels/casinos is going to be tough and without significant architectural changes, not very effective. The flow of people in and out of a property was not designed to be screened, contained, and then access managed in specific areas like an airport design. There are multiple entrances to most hotels depending upon if you self park or valet; depending upon if you are shopping, gambling or eating. There is no architectural control to manage if someone is coming from a self park area or from a pool area. A guest could be scanned literally a dozen times a day given how some properties are laid out.

To the extent everyone does it, I suspect everyone gets used to it and they manage it as best as they can by closing off certain access points. But those hotels and their business models are not designed with screening and then contained areas designed into the architecture.

I agree with that, but I think what WYNN (a publicly traded company with an Army of Lawyers) is really doing is in reaction to the NEW BENCHMARK THAT HAS BEEN SET BY THE MANDALAY BAY TRAGEDY where liability issues for FAILURE TO ACT IN A WAY THAT OFFERS THE GUESTS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF REASONABLE PROTECTION are going to absolutely 100% come into play FROM THE Legal Community.

WHAT THEY DID, WHAT THEY DIDN'T DO, WHAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE. All will play into potential liability.

I am not looking forward to any of it but I do think its smart, something is better than nothing and like I said in a prior post if Mandalay had these measures in place a week ago this A-hole would not have been able to do what he did...

 

[lf2]

Speaking of metal detectors. I've seen this pop up on IG on a few different pages. If it's true and dates are correct it really makes you think.

 

[Old Texan]

Another change to look towards, and not just in Vegas, is outdoor venues and how they can be protected. There's an outdoor music festival in Austin this weekend and they've been on the news about what is going to happen security wise. Fortunately no tall buildings that close, but his will ongoing everywhere I believe.

 

[WhatExit?]

Police said the shooter had 3 containers with a total of 50 lbs. of Tannerite in them as well as other explosives. Take a look at this video on what 30 lbs. of Tannerite will do to a Ford Bronco (skip ahead to 2:10).

[video=youtube;RVSecWR5YgY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=144&v=RVSecWR5YgY[/video]

 

[WhatExit?]

Sheriff today said the shooter planned to escape.

And he left no suicide note.

And the Sheriff also said they think at some point the shooter had help.

Also said the shooter put at least 200 rounds through the door of his hotel room likely when he saw/heard the security guard in the hallway.

And I heard today at least 10 of his rifles had bump stocks on them.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Sheriff today said the shooter planned to escape.

And he left no suicide note.

And the Sheriff also said they think at some point the shooter had help.

Also said the shooter put at least 200 rounds through the door of his hotel room likely when he saw/heard the security guard in the hallway.

And I heard today at least 10 of his rifles had bump stocks on them.

As soon as they said they found handguns I knew he was trying to escape. No need for a handgun in that situation if that wasn't the plan from the beginning.

 

[RiverDave]

Speaking of metal detectors. I've seen this pop up on IG on a few different pages. If it's true and dates are correct it really makes you think.
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Well that's fucking creepy..

Sheriff today said the shooter planned to escape.

And he left no suicide note.

And the Sheriff also said they think at some point the shooter had help.

Also said the shooter put at least 200 rounds through the door of his hotel room likely when he saw/heard the security guard in the hallway.

And I heard today at least 10 of his rifles had bump stocks on them.

They also said that of the 4 video cameras.. 2 in the hallway, 1 in the peephole, and 1 pointing at the shooter himself! None were recording.

Not sure why someone would point a video camera (or rather called a baby monitor on the press release) at themselves doing the shooting when it's not a recording camera.. but that's what they said.

Also no suicide note.

As soon as they said they found handguns I knew he was trying to escape. No need for a handgun in that situation if that wasn't the plan from the beginning.

I don't think this guy was all that it was cracked up to me on the gun side of things FL..

News is also saying that he tried to explode Aviation Fuel tanks by shooting them. Personally I think they were strays.. but I've never seen a fuel tank (liquid) blow up if it was shot. Empty maybe, or if it was propane or gas? Maybe.. But liquid, not so much.

RD