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Very simple.
An election between Zelensky and Poroshenko is exactly the same as having to choose between AL Capone and Sam Giancana.
The choice is between who's least bad.
There's nothing good about this choice.
Fair enough.

But as you well know there were 39 candidates to choose from in the first round of their election system and the two top vote getters were as you say “Capone” and “Giancana”.

So why did the people of Ukraine freely pick two such bad actors out of the 39 choices?

If the Ukrainian people felt about these two candidates the same as some in here and if these two were so clearly corrupt, why did the Ukrainian people freely pick them as the two top vote getters and skip on 37 others?

I still don’t get it?
 

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Very simple.
An election between Zelensky and Poroshenko is exactly the same as having to choose between AL Capone and Sam Giancana.
The choice is between who's least bad.
There's nothing good about this choice.
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Be sure to ask the resident globalist ghoul 👆 about the Crowdstrike servers and Ukraine being heavily involved in worldwide election fraud/rigging, including and especially their own "free elections", among the other various and sundry criminal operations they engage in.
Don't be surprised by the deafening silence you will hear.
And he damn well knows the answer(s).
 
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Ukraine should not have given up it's Nuclear arsenal 30 years ago. in 1994, Ukraine decided to give up those weapons, it was the third-largest nuclear power in the world, in exchange for the USA, UK and Russia to guaranteeing Ukraine security. It was called the Budapest Memorandum.
Some in Ukraine, the former nuclear power, now regret disarmament because of Russia. It just sends a really wrong signal to other countries that might want to pursue nuclear weapons.
The USA & UK need to react in the way as to not make Ukraine doubt in the rightness of that decision.
 

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Fair enough.

But as you well know there were 39 candidates to choose from in the first round of their election system and the two top vote getters were as you say “Capone” and “Giancana”.

So why did the people of Ukraine freely pick two such bad actors out of the 39 choices?

If the Ukrainian people felt about these two candidates the same as some in here and if these two were so clearly corrupt, why did the Ukrainian people freely pick them as the two top vote getters and skip on 37 others?

I still don’t get it?

Very similar to a "President" who supposedly garnered 81 million votes and after a year, sits at a 37% approval rating.

Their "voting" booth is like ours..................................complete BS. 😆

Generally and in Ukraine's case, the globalist ghouls have/had both sides of the coin so it really doesn't matter, until a candidate comes along that doesn't need their bribes because he's already filthy rich and despises them.

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There are 132 political parties in Ukraine, yet Ukrainian oligarchs play key role in sponsoring of political parties and participation in every day politics. Just about the same as most hardcore commie countries can have 39 candidates in the single party system. Close your eyes and pick any of them.😂 Poroshenko made 1.5 billion to his net worth, Zelenskyy has close to 100 million as of today. If he can hang as long as Poroshenko, he could reach same wealth as Jerry Seinfeld, lol.
 
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So what happens if Putin fails in his mission?
 

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Unreal.

Seriously, doe's anyone not see the problem with McCaininnite's warmongering, RINO boyfriend in this mess from way back?
Sick. Shame on Watters for having that human excrement pile on his show.
Is the spell so powerful that this is not blatantly apparent?
This childless sumbitch has been sending our boys and girls into globalist meat grinder wars killing millions of innocent civilians as a bonus since I can remember.
War criminal. Crimes against Humanity.
Just rhetorically musing and grousing a bit here...
 

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Very similar to a "President" who supposedly garnered 81 million votes and after a year, sits at a 37% approval rating.

Their "voting" booth is like ours..................................complete BS. 😆

Snip….
The problem with taking the position that the voting booth is complete BS is that when the R’s take back the House and Senate in 22, that win will also be logically viewed by those who lost as ………”complete BS”.

It seems rather illogical to only say elections one loses is BS while elections one wins are totally legitimate. 🤷🤷🤷
 

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The problem with taking the position that the voting booth is complete BS is that when the R’s take back the House and Senate in 22, that win will also be logically viewed by those who lost as ………”complete BS”.

It seems rather illogical to only say elections one loses is BS while elections one wins are totally legitimate. 🤷🤷🤷

Another valiant effort....... 😆
 

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Zelensky won the 2019 election with over 73 percent of the vote. He handily beat the incumbent President Poroshenko.

How is throwing out a President that won 73 percent of the vote giving Ukrainians their Country back? And if that is what Ukrainians wanted, why are they fighting so hard and not welcoming Putin as a liberator? 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Did you sleep through the 2020 election here????
 

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Some sobering facts and reminders for the vitue signaling Ukraine cheerleaders/Putin haters.
 
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I don’t understand on what level they can call for “war crimes” with any moral high ground.. or any American could even say it.

We drone strike the shit out of all sorts of people and countries.. Israel does the same with American missiles? On the regular?
 

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I don’t understand on what level they can call for “war crimes” with any moral high ground.. or any American could even say it.

We drone strike the shit out of all sorts of people and countries.. Israel does the same with American missiles? On the regular?
IsRaEl has been hitting Aramaic speaking Christian villages inside of Syria with airstrikes on the regular for weeks now.
But, right now the Ukraine region is the preferred war game to root for it seems.
 

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I don’t understand on what level they can call for “war crimes” with any moral high ground.. or any American could even say it.

We drone strike the shit out of all sorts of people and countries.. Israel does the same with American missiles? On the regular?

agreed. The second Ukraine said we will be giving weapons and ammunition to any resident who stays. They turned their entire populous into at the very least a Malitia and thats how it has to be viewed by the Russian soldiers. Its sad about the 6yr old and others who likely were not directly targeted and were collateral damage. But its war, Its not pretty and its not cut and dry.
 

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I don’t understand on what level they can call for “war crimes” with any moral high ground.. or any American could even say it.

We drone strike the shit out of all sorts of people and countries.. Israel does the same with American missiles? On the regular?
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The US was all in to change millions' lives of Arab nations. Yeah, high morals there. And the present government has its knickers in a knot for Jan 6, where no weapons were found.

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The problem with taking the position that the voting booth is complete BS is that when the R’s take back the House and Senate in 22, that win will also be logically viewed by those who lost as ………”complete BS”.

It seems rather illogical to only say elections one loses is BS while elections one wins are totally legitimate. 🤷🤷🤷



Election integrity watchdog Phill Kline said: "And now we have videotaped depositions and interviews with their family members saying, "My loved one hasn't been able to vote for years and has been deemed to be incompetent."

The special counsel investigating suspected irregularities in Wisconsin's 2020 election has found that 91 nursing homes in the counties of Milwaukee, Racine, Dane, Kenosha, and Brown had voter turnout rates ranging from 95% to a 100% in 2020 — as compared to overall nationwide participation rates of 67% in 2020 and 60% in 2016.


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You want to touch that one?
 

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Putin Doesn't want Ukraine. He wants the fucked up crooked government gone. The US doesn't want that as that's where they have been laundering billions. There is a video out there that said since Ukraine has been "arming" it's citizens, the criminals have been getting the guns and turning into east Chicago. Putin is an asshole, But he is not stupid. Just like Trump. Putin is trying to give the Ukranians thier country back. Zelinsky was put in place by the deep state. He is part of the problem. The impeached Trump over Ukraine for trying to expose the mess. Like Yuma says, They have to let it run the coarse to show people how bad and deep the swamp is.
Nailed it!!! ;)
 

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Putin Doesn't want Ukraine. He wants the fucked up crooked government gone. The US doesn't want that as that's where they have been laundering billions. There is a video out there that said since Ukraine has been "arming" it's citizens, the criminals have been getting the guns and turning into east Chicago. Putin is an asshole, But he is not stupid. Just like Trump. Putin is trying to give the Ukranians thier country back. Zelinsky was put in place by the deep state. He is part of the problem. The impeached Trump over Ukraine for trying to expose the mess. Like Yuma says, They have to let it run the coarse to show people how bad and deep the swamp is.
There was a strong case for that argument up until yesterday when Putin started shelling the crap out of residential neighborhoods.


While it’s indisputable that Ukraine is corrupt to the core, and Biden’s personal money laundry, that’s not a legitimate reason to invade a country and start slaughtering civilians, or we would have invaded Mexico decades ago.


 

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There was a strong case for that argument up until yesterday when Putin started shelling the crap out of residential neighborhoods.


While it’s indisputable that Ukraine is corrupt to the core, and Biden’s personal money laundry, that’s not a legitimate reason to invade a country and start slaughtering civilians, or we would have invaded Mexico decades ago.


The excuse is going to be, the civilians are the militia now. You can see them making molotov cocktails and heard that the government handed out thousands of guns to civilians. Once that happened, it became open season on at least all military age males in the area. Serious drawbacks to that decision.
 

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The excuse is going to be, the civilians are the militia now. You can see them making molotov cocktails and heard that the government handed out thousands of guns to civilians. Once that happened, it became open season on at least all military age males in the area. Serious drawbacks to that decision.
we spend decades in the sandbox facing IEDs daily and never took to shelling neighborhoods.


That shit don’t fly.
 

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The media says he is bad

The politicians say he is bad

Is he?

Or is he doing the work that should have been done years ago?
Right, at first blush I tend to think ”invasion bad” but then I see all the woke people “standing with the Iranian peopele” which gives me pause.

I’m still leaning toward “invasion bad” but I’m willing to entertain new information.


I remember after 9/11 when for weeks on end many democrats seemed to actually love this country. Thy have very mailable minds.
 

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By Jo Warrick
August 30, 2005

The United States and Ukraine agreed yesterday to work jointly to prevent the spread of biological weapons, signing a pact that clears the way for Ukraine's government to receive U.S. aid to improve security at facilities where dangerous microbes are kept.

The agreement, the result of more than a year of negotiations, was announced by Sens. Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.) and Barack Obama (D-Ill.) during a visit to the Ukrainian capital, Kiev. The senators credited Ukraine's reformist leaders, ushered into power by last fall's Orange Revolution, with breaking bureaucratic resistance to the pact.


Well that’s interesting.
 

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The excuse is going to be, the civilians are the militia now. You can see them making molotov cocktails and heard that the government handed out thousands of guns to civilians. Once that happened, it became open season on at least all military age males in the area. Serious drawbacks to that decision.
If they kill all the men would that open the way for the likes of epstiens hobbies to expand?
 

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There was a strong case for that argument up until yesterday when Putin started shelling the crap out of residential neighborhoods.


While it’s indisputable that Ukraine is corrupt to the core, and Biden’s personal money laundry, that’s not a legitimate reason to invade a country and start slaughtering civilians, or we would have invaded Mexico decades ago.


Is Vlad doing the surgery to remove the rot? Is that why the dems are against this? We know joe is an upstanding individual..... just like his son
 

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The excuse is going to be, the civilians are the militia now. You can see them making molotov cocktails and heard that the government handed out thousands of guns to civilians. Once that happened, it became open season on at least all military age males in the area. Serious drawbacks to that decision.

What if our own secret agents are "helping" with the shit show over there?? To help push the narrative they want the media to portray. You know like they do everywhere else in the world. I wouldn't put anything past "our" government at this point in their desperate attempt to stay out of jail or the gallows. Like has been said, what ever the media is promoting, the truth is probably 180 degrees from it..
 

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… Trying to get some contact information for this guy… He was a great kid spent the summer here in North Hollywood sleeping on the couch at the Armenian household next door to me…

… We used to take him sightseeing…

… When he went back to his homeland to study law…he was going to have to spend a year …in the Russian military… He was living at his grandmothers in Russia…and receiving money from his rich grandfather in Russia …

… We would FaceTime him late at night here…and catch him early in the morning at his grandmothers in Russia… pretty interesting looking at his grandmothers very normal apartment…and watching it snow out on the streets of Russia…

… we are trying to get his contact information to get his take on this big mess… We used to call him a Russian boy …because we could never remember his real name???…

… Just got word that his grandfather paid a whole bunch of money so his grandson would not have to rejoin the Russian army… But there is another nephew in this mix that supposedly I had met years ago …that the Russian government is looking for… I think they want him to be in the army or want a big handful of cash???…

… myself and my neighbor are planning to call our old friend… As we have a Viber phone number for him… got to figure out the hour difference…
 

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What if our own secret agents are "helping" with the shit show over there?? To help push the narrative they want the media to portray. You know like they do everywhere else in the world. I wouldn't put anything past "our" government at this point in their desperate attempt to stay out of jail or the gallows. Like has been said, what ever the media is promoting, the truth is probably 180 degrees from it..
The only thing I know is there is so much propaganda and misinformation on both sides that I have no idea what is really going on. My guess is pretty much everyone else is in the same boat, but their political views and/or their tin foil hats are directing them to one narrative or the other as absolute truth.
 

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The excuse is going to be, the civilians are the militia now. You can see them making molotov cocktails and heard that the government handed out thousands of guns to civilians. Once that happened, it became open season on at least all military age males in the area. Serious drawbacks to that decision.

Remember this when everyone here "Rises Up" like they claim they will at some point in the future 🤣
 

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What if our own secret agents are "helping" with the shit show over there?? To help push the narrative they want the media to portray. You know like they do everywhere else in the world. I wouldn't put anything past "our" government at this point in their desperate attempt to stay out of jail or the gallows. Like has been said, what ever the media is promoting, the truth is probably 180 degrees from it..
Helping whom? Russia or Ukraine?
 
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