TWO NEW WILD CATS AT CHEETAH...

[2FORCEFULL]

Truth. But let’s get real, Cheetahs do not have the resale of a Cobra..

They aren’t perfect, and they are a cheaper for a few reasons. I still don’t get the wood screws though.

His interior redo was basically a gut job and cost almost 2x normal because they didn’t resin any of the wood and all of it was trash after 20 years. All the wood was replaced, resin coated, and all stainless hardware was used.

He had the gel redone last year.. damn thing is almost a new boat now.

I’ve crawled all over a couple Wildcats.. I wouldn’t hesitate to get one, but I’d put a little more money into the interior if I built a new one for myself.

really can't say "RESALE"....and not say the whole story.....cheetahs hold their value , as in price paid, vs price sold..... I wanna buy a used cheetah,,,,... people want 10k more than they sold for new for a 10 yr old boat..and they seem to get it...in 06-09 you could buy a brand new cheetah fast cat for 40-50k...I don't know how Bob was doing it... but it seemed he didn't try to get rich off every boat..and gave lot of stuff away...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Guess which boat manufacture uses these materials in their builds

LOL.....quit! ..I know you and you are a good guy...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

also wanna say this... I've owned Cheetah, Stokers, schiada's, DCB's, halletts, advantage,"Conquest',welcraft, baja, and the list goes on and on....had fun with every boat I've owned...but... I have found some real head scratching stuff that they did that had to be done over in all the boats...I just fix it and move on to the next.... been a real fun life messing with boats... but then, I don't Golf...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I really like the looks of this boat...and getting real close to pulling the trigger... I't would be a gret mead boat for us... what I really want in a boat right now is to be able to walk out the front or rear...

 

[FROGMAN524]

I think Cheetah has never been know for having any “panache” which is what it seems people are buying these days. Best of luck to the new owner because changing a reputation like that can be difficult if not done and marketed right.


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[steak&lobster]

point I was making is Cheetah doesn't, and hasn't layed up thir hulls in years,... I think they quit when they moved to the campbell building,...

I think Blanco is laying up the Magic's and some others. . .

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I think Cheetah has never been know for having any “panache” which is what it seems people are buying these days. Best of luck to the new owner because changing a reputation like that can be difficult if not done and marketed right.


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I'm with you here...The wild cat is a modern boat, full glass inner liner, they ride good, and get a pretty good speed out of the power..For me,... I went with the 525 on sues boat.... big mistake IMO.. even though it cruses 60 at half throttle, it's too much power for what the boat is used for...the 496 ho is better as it is plug and play...they go over a 1000 hours with proper maintenance, and never pull a valve cover...the 525, you need to get in the motor at 200 hrs... that and the header vs manifold deal...

I hate to post this..... but , it's the truth....BOB didn't give a fuc….. things he could have done or changed...didn't happen...Greg builds a nice boat... and you get a lot for what you pay....but... the brand has a tarnished reputation....funny thing is....trying to find a cheetah owner to agree is tough...that being said.... the new owner needs to turn a out a few boats and show what he can do... but even then there will still be the haters...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I think Blanco is laying up the Magic's and some others. . .

the new magic is setting right next to the cheetah.....I was wondering this...and forgot to ask.... is cheetah gonna rig the magic???

 

[steak&lobster]

the new magic is setting right next to the cheetah.....I was wondering this...and forgot to ask.... is cheetah gonna rig the magic???

I don’t pretend to know everything, but I know Blanco is a busy man!


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[guest hs]

LOL.....quit! ..I know you and you are a good guy...

I know your a good guy too! Honestly I like the Wild Cat and it’s the only hulll Cheetah has ever produced to looks good. To be honest I would have loved to been able to buy Cheetah the company and turn it into something like Tahiti has done! Back in the day Tahiti wasn’t much better the Cheetah. Look at the Tahiti’s now they are very nice and very competitively priced! Hopefully the new owner of Cheetah can follow Tahiti’s business plan I wish them the best!

 

[Runs2rch]

I'm with you here...The wild cat is a modern boat, full glass inner liner, they ride good, and get a pretty good speed out of the power..For me,... I went with the 525 on sues boat.... big mistake IMO.. even though it cruses 60 at half throttle, it's too much power for what the boat is used for...the 496 ho is better as it is plug and play...they go over a 1000 hours with proper maintenance, and never pull a valve cover...the 525, you need to get in the motor at 200 hrs... that and the header vs manifold deal...

I hate to post this..... but , it's the truth....BOB didn't give a fuc….. things he could have done or changed...didn't happen...Greg builds a nice boat... and you get a lot for what you pay....but... the brand has a tarnished reputation....funny thing is....trying to find a cheetah owner to agree is tough...that being said.... the new owner needs to turn a out a few boats and show what he can do... but even then there will still be the haters...

8.2 HO would only add 5k also.

 

[Runs2rch]

I don’t pretend to know everything, but I know Blanco is a busy man!


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You know anything???

 

[westair]

I think Cheetah has never been know for having any “panache” which is what it seems people are buying these days. Best of luck to the new owner because changing a reputation like that can be difficult if not done and marketed right.


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Cheetah has never had a problem selling boats, even in the worst of times …… I'm sure some minor upgrades can be made but they have a good place in the market.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

8.2 HO would only add 5k also.

A better steering wheel and stereo is more than that!

 

[TCHB]

If he wants to keep the name he should start with Cheetah 2.

 

[Gelcoater]

I’m just going to leave it at this You get what you pay for! If you want to think a Cheetah is laid up as good as an Advantage then so be it.

I probably shouldn’t say shit here, but..

If boats are laminated in the same shop by the same crew, as a subcontractor like situation, the only real differences would be the schedule provided by the mfg to the sub, and the quality of the fit and finish of the molds the mfg provides to the sub.

This idea of having several mfgs gelled and laminated by an outside glass shop is no new concept

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I probably shouldn’t say shit here, but..

If boats are laminated in the same shop by the same crew, as a subcontractor like situation, the only real differences would be the schedule provided by the mfg to the sub, and the quality of the fit and finish of the molds the mfg provides to the sub.

This idea of having several mfgs gelled and laminated by an outside glass shop is no new concept

when I talked to lench, he said he did all of them the same.. it was his name and reputation on the line,, so when I bought sues first wild cat, this was the thought.... lench designed and layed up the hull, competive built the trailer... merc built the power package.... all cheetah did was the upholstery and rig it....sues boat doesn't have drywall screws, and most every thing is through bolted...my only complaint was they don't protect the hull when rigging, and I would like to see contact paper, or what ever the shrink wrap stuff is on the sides where the air hoses and such rub...Greg does real clean work other wise, and also Anyone that wants can come look when we're in the channel or at the beach...

 

[Gelcoater]

when I talked to lench, he said he did all of them the same.. it was his name and reputation on the line,, s

Yep.
The mfg provides the schedule, but it has to be approved by the sub builder.

 

[steak&lobster]

when I talked to lench, he said he did all of them the same.. it was his name and reputation on the line,, so when I bought sues first wild cat, this was the thought.... lench designed and layed up the hull, competive built the trailer... merc built the power package.... all cheetah did was the upholstery and rig it....sues boat doesn't have drywall screws, and most every thing is through bolted...my only complaint was they don't protect the hull when rigging, and I would like to see contact paper, or what ever the shrink wrap stuff is on the sides where the air hoses and such rub...Greg does real clean work other wise, and also Anyone that wants can come look when we're in the channel or at the beach...

especially now that it's been ceramic coated by Detail Specialties at the Islander 928-412-6339

 

[Bigbore500r]

especially now that it's been ceramic coated by Detail Specialties at the Islander 928-412-6339

I dont always ceramic coat boats, but when I do.....
Lol

 

[old rigger]

I know your a good guy too! Honestly I like the Wild Cat and it’s the only hulll Cheetah has ever produced to looks good. To be honest I would have loved to been able to buy Cheetah the company and turn it into something like Tahiti has done! Back in the day Tahiti wasn’t much better the Cheetah. Look at the Tahiti’s now they are very nice and very competitively priced! Hopefully the new owner of Cheetah can follow Tahiti’s business plan I wish them the best!

That's a bullshit example. There's no linage from old Tahiti and the guys building boats today using the Tahiti logo. For decades there was no Tahiti. Cheetah, yes you can follow the dots from 1967 to today with a business that's (almost) always been in business. Ultra were bottom feeders back in the day and the guy that bought then and turned them around, can't remember his name...something West, deserves a lot of credit for doing so. Hopefully the new owner of Cheetah can do the same.

Burns and Leach were the last of the old school owners, end of an era with both of them out of the picture now.

If a boat shop does not laminate it's own parts then all they're offering is how they rig the boat. THE most important part of building the boat is it's lamination schedule. The rest of the process is built on that.

 

[Bigbore500r]

I really like the looks of this boat...and getting real close to pulling the trigger... I't would be a gret mead boat for us... what I really want in a boat right now is to be able to walk out the front or rear...

Steve

Why do you want ANOTHER wildcat? You have a wildcat? Selling sues boat or?

 

[mobldj]

paid 63000 for my fast cat in 2002

 

[RiverDave]

I agree. I have heard one does this and that but no data. If you notice the DCB guys really go into how they build the boat and vacuum bag.
I do not think most builders are doing this.

Vacuum bagging is different than the infusion process DCB is doing. Infusion is better / stronger / lighter. (If done correctly)

 

[fmo24]

Vacuum bagging is different than the infusion process DCB is doing. Infusion is better / stronger / lighter. (If done correctly)

Vacuum bagging compacts the laminate plies better than old time hand lamination. Infusion , the fabrics are placed dry and resin is drawn into and thru to achieve a controlled amount of saturation and thickness resulting in a much more controlled and consistent laminate.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Steve

Why do you want ANOTHER wildcat? You have a wildcat? Selling sues boat or?

Sue has decided that I'm not gonna sell the havasu house, and doesn't want me to build another,... we keep her boat in havasu, and need another boat for mead,... she also said not to sell the glastron cause she really likes it , but,... she's try'n to pull my man card so I'd sell it for just that reason...she's already got a house in vegas, new house in havasu, deck boat with 525, new motor home,new car, and a RZT xp1000...I want a boat with walk out front and rear.. and lots of seats.... so far the cheetah has been the best all round,... and still has a little performance feel to it...also looking at the starcraft xcs 230 deck...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Yep.
The mfg provides the schedule, but it has to be approved by the sub builder.

describe schedual, and the reason a sub would put his name on an inferior product.... I could see this happening in house.... but subbed out????the only way I could see getting the cost down would be cheep resin,... or a light lay up...but, I don't know and that's why i'm asking....

 

[fmo24]

Don’t think there is any “cheap” resin. All the materials are pricy

 

[270]

Good looking gel but what's with the 45lb olympic plate?

 

[monkeyswrench]

Good looking gel but what's with the 45lb olympic plate?

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Ballast

 

[guest hs]

Infusion actually pulls resin into the glass material and completely saturates it. There is no better process then this. Vacuum bagging sucks out any air to avoid air pockets between the gel coat and lamination.

 

[guest hs]

One of my salesmen here at work use to work for Omega boats in the jet boat heyday. He has told me story's when a customer would come in and beat them up on the price of a new boat the owner Forrest Patard would get pissed off and tell the laminators to put to less lay ups in the boat compared to their normal lamination schedule. CLASSIC!

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

What about a domin8r 22 deck, they have that 22 that you could run a new v8 300 mercury on, that would be a bitchin boat and different enough that your not repeating yourself

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[2FORCEFULL]

What about a domin8r 22 deck, they have that 22 that you could run a new v8 300 mercury on, that would be a bitchin boat and different enough that your not repeating yourself

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IMO... to ruff riding for mead...26 is probley the smallest cat, v would be better...

 

[guest hs]

Who tooled the Wild Cat anyone know?

 

[guest hs]

That's a bullshit example. There's no linage from old Tahiti and the guys building boats today using the Tahiti logo. For decades there was no Tahiti. Cheetah, yes you can follow the dots from 1967 to today with a business that's (almost) always been in business. Ultra were bottom feeders back in the day and the guy that bought then and turned them around, can't remember his name...something West, deserves a lot of credit for doing so. Hopefully the new owner of Cheetah can do the same.

Burns and Leach were the last of the old school owners, end of an era with both of them out of the picture now.

If a boat shop does not laminate it's own parts then all they're offering is how they rig the boat. THE most important part of building the boat is it's lamination schedule. The rest of the process is built on that.

That would be John West I think he superseded Carter Reed? I remeber two guys starting Ultra and one left and started Ultimate that might have been carter.

 

[Swain]

I had a 2006 Stiletto with a 496 that boat rode so nice and fast. Paid $ 20k for it and it only had 100 hours.

Why did I sell it

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I had a 2006 Stiletto with a 496 that boat rode so nice and fast. Paid $ 20k for it and it only had 100 hours.

Why did I sell it

The Stiletto and Scorpion both ride really nice. Same basic bottom.

 

[Gelcoater]

describe schedual, and the reason a sub would put his name on an inferior product.... I could see this happening in house.... but subbed out????the only way I could see getting the cost down would be cheep resin,... or a light lay up...but, I don't know and that's why i'm asking....

As an example, a tunnel boat guy want the sub to build a light weight potato chip layup for a drag boat.
So, you sort of answered your own question, lol

 

[guest hs]

Here is a pic of the infusion process on a brand of boat well sell at the dealership

 

[BUDMAN]

I honestly like the look of the cheetah deck. The only complaint I have or dislike about the boat that would keep me from buying one is the interior. Looks too generic / boxy for my liking. I mean no disrespect but it looks like a Tijuana upholstery job. Maybe the new owner could do some upgrades to this area. Just my .02 worth

 

[hallett21]

Who tooled the Wild Cat anyone know?

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[2FORCEFULL]

Who tooled the Wild Cat anyone know?

yes, I know, and I talked to him pryor to buying the first wildcat for Sue

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Good looking gel but what's with the 45lb olympic plate?

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the boat has full fiberglass inner liner that is bonded to the lower... the weight is to keep the two together till the bond sets up.... very solid boats..I think they use the over time schedule , they work days at advantage....

 

[guest hs]

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I can guarantee that Gary Furgeson from Advantage did not do the tooling for the Wild Cat!!!!!!

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I can guarantee that Gary Furgeson from Advantage did not do the tooling for the Wild Cat!!!!!!

Gary did the tooling...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

OOPs...Gary Lench did the tooling and it was their mold... and I think bob got it when they closed up shop...

 

[buck35]

For those of us with absolutely no knowledge of how boats are laid,lade up .could someone put the schedule into layman' terms and what this means ... Asking for a friend.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

For those of us with absolutely no knowledge of how boats are laid,lade up .could someone put the schedule into layman' terms and what this means ... Asking for a friend.

I think its an in the trade term for layers of fiberglass

 

[2FORCEFULL]

kinda like sprinkler pipe