So much truth in that post and we've seen it firsthand far too often.....
Damn your emotional today bud! Increase your Norcos if the pain is that severe. No one doubts your beave has been battered, but ice is your friend! You’ve been extremely fragile lately, whining, emotional outbursts that gets you bounced, and Overused memes & gifs. Daddy’s just looking out for you, it’s weak when you big hitters are sidelined. The new kids, weekend keyboard warriors, and low level nutswingers are boring. Now pop dem pills, elevate and ice that beave down and get to work buddy!
Damn your emotional today bud! Increase your Norcos if the pain is that severe. No one doubts your beave has been battered, but ice is your friend! You’ve been extremely fragile lately, whining, emotional outbursts that gets you bounced, and Overused memes & gifs. Daddy’s just looking out for you, it’s weak when you big hitters are sidelined. The new kids, weekend keyboard warriors, and low level nutswingers are boring. Now pop dem pills, elevate and ice that beave down and get to work buddy!
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He's entitled to his opinion.
I'd be interested in hearing the pros for abolishing Prop 13 and why our taxes should be raised when Ca is at the top of the tax rate already.
He's entitled to his opinion.
Preaching to he choir here man. I agree.
Don't want to offend anyone......IMO, well written & well said!
I cruise down here and usually lurk a bit. This post started in the general section though. I do actually enjoy listening or reading the reasoning behind the way people view topics when there's an adult conversation down here. Unfortunately, as with much of everything it seems these days, no one can actually just discuss and bring valid points. Everything is just a tit for tat with no valid points to support an opinion and of course, it all usually seems to end in name calling, etc. And that's in the media, politics, here, etc. I've said it numerous times, it's just a sad state of affairs. Watching that piece of shit Pelosi shake her head no whenever Trump mentioned bi-partisanship is just the proof in the pudding. She cares about nothing else but her hatred for trump. And it is a true literal meaning of the word visceral hatred.Thanks Tank! I manage to blow off the dust and kick it in gear once in a while.
I don't visit down here in the dungeon often primarily because of responses like Mr. Saucedaddy's. It is unfortunate that instead of an intelligent exchange of ideas taking place guys like him just resort to the typical juvenile name calling. Of course there is plenty of name calling from the other said too which is also unfortunate. I've only seen a few such as yourself, post well though out arguments and encourage response. I guess that's why most other RDP members don't look here either.
Thanks Tank! I manage to blow off the dust and kick it in gear once in a while.
I don't visit down here in the dungeon often primarily because of responses like Mr. Saucedaddy's. It is unfortunate that instead of an intelligent exchange of ideas taking place guys like him just resort to the typical juvenile name calling. Of course there is plenty of name calling from the other said too which is also unfortunate. I've only seen a few such as yourself, post well though out arguments and encourage response. I guess that's why most other RDP members don't look here either.
Stick around down here long enough Chili and you'll resort to "simple" responses........................................in order to stop wasting your time on them.
I applaud you boys for trying!!!!
Like Doc said in "Tombstone", my hypocrisy only goes so far.
Thanks for the invite but I think I'll pass. I do have standards. They may be low but at least I have some!
I may toss a line in here now and then hoping to get some bites of real conversation but I'm afraid my attempts will be fruitless. For the rest of you gluttons for punishment, carry on!
He's entitled to his opinion.
One hundred percent agree. The founders hated career politicians, he is the exact picture of what they wanted in govt. “get in, clean house, and get out so someone else can also clean shit up”
I've never used it before but have made an exception, and you will find the ignore button is your friend. This place is tolerable without threads being jacked, plus ya don't have to scroll through the completer idiot bullshit.....Thanks Tank! I manage to blow off the dust and kick it in gear once in a while.
I don't visit down here in the dungeon often primarily because of responses like Mr. Saucedaddy's. It is unfortunate that instead of an intelligent exchange of ideas taking place guys like him just resort to the typical juvenile name calling. Of course there is plenty of name calling from the other said too which is also unfortunate. I've only seen a few such as yourself, post well though out arguments and encourage response. I guess that's why most other RDP members don't look here either.
Outside looking in Rod, what I see is your state is run by those special interests and your politicians do what they say to do. Gonna be hard to ever get fair taxes from that set up....Below is an answer I provided last month. The same thread where @rivermobster offered me a noose or whatever to get rid of me.
California has been relying on volatile income and sales taxes increasingly since the implementation of Prop 13. When you look at the tax rates they are both too high. The state relies heavily on high income earners that do really well in times of prosperity, like now. When things slow down revenue falls drastically.
The real issue is both what and who are being taxed. Years of lobbying by special interests have made Swiss cheese of the tax code at both the state and federal level. If special exemptions were audited/eliminated the tax rate could be lowered across the board. This is currently being looked at with regard to sales taxes.
Regarding sales tax, that part of the code was designed 70 years ago to capture the existing economy of that era that included strong agricultural and manufacturing. CA, along with the rest of the US has shifted to a service and information economy, much of which goes untaxed.
Studies show that the current sales tax structure only captures 30% of the modern economy. Again, it’s what not being taxed that is the issue. Reduce the exemptions, tax the existing economy and LOWER the tax rate.
Prop 13 has its place, no doubt, but it needs to be revisited. That’s why compressive reform in all areas makes sense. Not sure the state is capable of such a massive undertaking but that doesn’t mean it should be ignored. Lower tax rates and less volatility are the goal. And of course sufficient revenue to fund programs and services. Feel free to monitor spending all you want, the more citizens paying attention the better.
Below is an answer I provided last month. The same thread where @rivermobster offered me a noose or whatever to get rid of me.
California has been relying on volatile income and sales taxes increasingly since the implementation of Prop 13. When you look at the tax rates they are both too high. The state relies heavily on high income earners that do really well in times of prosperity, like now. When things slow down revenue falls drastically.
The real issue is both what and who are being taxed. Years of lobbying by special interests have made Swiss cheese of the tax code at both the state and federal level. If special exemptions were audited/eliminated the tax rate could be lowered across the board. This is currently being looked at with regard to sales taxes.
Regarding sales tax, that part of the code was designed 70 years ago to capture the existing economy of that era that included strong agricultural and manufacturing. CA, along with the rest of the US has shifted to a service and information economy, much of which goes untaxed.
Studies show that the current sales tax structure only captures 30% of the modern economy. Again, it’s what not being taxed that is the issue. Reduce the exemptions, tax the existing economy and LOWER the tax rate.
Prop 13 has its place, no doubt, but it needs to be revisited. That’s why compressive reform in all areas makes sense. Not sure the state is capable of such a massive undertaking but that doesn’t mean it should be ignored. Lower tax rates and less volatility are the goal. And of course sufficient revenue to fund programs and services. Feel free to monitor spending all you want, the more citizens paying attention the better.
Below is an answer I provided last month. The same thread where @rivermobster offered me a noose or whatever to get rid of me.
California has been relying on volatile income and sales taxes increasingly since the implementation of Prop 13. When you look at the tax rates they are both too high. The state relies heavily on high income earners that do really well in times of prosperity, like now. When things slow down revenue falls drastically.
The real issue is both what and who are being taxed. Years of lobbying by special interests have made Swiss cheese of the tax code at both the state and federal level. If special exemptions were audited/eliminated the tax rate could be lowered across the board. This is currently being looked at with regard to sales taxes.
Regarding sales tax, that part of the code was designed 70 years ago to capture the existing economy of that era that included strong agricultural and manufacturing. CA, along with the rest of the US has shifted to a service and information economy, much of which goes untaxed.
Studies show that the current sales tax structure only captures 30% of the modern economy. Again, it’s what not being taxed that is the issue. Reduce the exemptions, tax the existing economy and LOWER the tax rate.
Prop 13 has its place, no doubt, but it needs to be revisited. That’s why compressive reform in all areas makes sense. Not sure the state is capable of such a massive undertaking but that doesn’t mean it should be ignored. Lower tax rates and less volatility are the goal. And of course sufficient revenue to fund programs and services. Feel free to monitor spending all you want, the more citizens paying attention the better.
Rods always been moderate but he takes a beating like he's an extreme liberal down here.My God, you sound like a moderate! Your compadres on here are going to disown you!
Below is an answer I provided last month. The same thread where @rivermobster offered me a noose or whatever to get rid of me.
California has been relying on volatile income and sales taxes increasingly since the implementation of Prop 13. When you look at the tax rates they are both too high. The state relies heavily on high income earners that do really well in times of prosperity, like now. When things slow down revenue falls drastically.
The real issue is both what and who are being taxed. Years of lobbying by special interests have made Swiss cheese of the tax code at both the state and federal level. If special exemptions were audited/eliminated the tax rate could be lowered across the board. This is currently being looked at with regard to sales taxes.
Regarding sales tax, that part of the code was designed 70 years ago to capture the existing economy of that era that included strong agricultural and manufacturing. CA, along with the rest of the US has shifted to a service and information economy, much of which goes untaxed.
Studies show that the current sales tax structure only captures 30% of the modern economy. Again, it’s what not being taxed that is the issue. Reduce the exemptions, tax the existing economy and LOWER the tax rate.
Prop 13 has its place, no doubt, but it needs to be revisited. That’s why compressive reform in all areas makes sense. Not sure the state is capable of such a massive undertaking but that doesn’t mean it should be ignored. Lower tax rates and less volatility are the goal. And of course sufficient revenue to fund programs and services. Feel free to monitor spending all you want, the more citizens paying attention the better.
My God, you sound like a moderate! Your compadres on here are going to disown you!
Rods always been moderate but he takes a beating like he's an extreme liberal down here.
See, I agree with most of this. But also agree with RCDave and Tex....It's a fantasy until the Ca. Swamp is drained. In a perfect world, the fat would be trimmed, curtail the spending, re-prioritize to realistic objectives, lower the overall tax rate and address those areas "slipping through the tax loopholes". I've always thought a straight flat tax across the board would be a good thing. You still need certain incentives and tax breaks to bring business and jobs into Ca. but ya gotta start somewhere. Unfortunately, the leadership in this state is completely FUBAR and doesn't look like it'll ever change, so not exactly a perfect world.
I'm not ok with repeal of Prop 13 at all. I saw what happened to Florida, specifically Dade County / Miami Bay - people that owned since the 50's pushed out when all the water front mansions drove up the property prices. The locals that had been there for 30 and 40 years with their homes paid off couldn't afford the taxes. Fucked up. As I said, California is being run into the ground, no ifs ands or buts about it.
Don't buy into his bs bro...
He will lure you into being his "friend" by talking all moderate like, but the truth is, he is trying to suck you into his hole and become one with the borg...
When I was fighting for Glamis, I made friends with a guy that was doing Everything he could to get the dunes closed down. But I did it in reverse, I acted like I wanted to be his friend, cause what I really wanted was to see what he was Really up to! The dude now works for the BLM trying to get all the riding/hunting/grazing areas closed down. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing. https://www.linkedin.com/in/dpatterson2
His wife walked out on him for physical abuse, and he was thrown out of the AZ political system for being an ass. He finally wormed his way into a job where he can do the most possible damage he can to your and my rights. He was one of the founding members of the CBD, and even they threw him out years ago! lol
Rod is the same type of guy. He will try and make you believe he really is a nice guy, when he's actually your worst enemy. A Democrat to the core. He's no moderate.
Ask him how he cheats on his own taxes while wanting to raise yours and mine! He actually admitted it on this very board.
Again, there’s no debating Trumpkins! Your manifesto was full of opinion, just like Hannity everyday. You made a ton of statements. Statements are not “Debate”, those would be called “Questions” If you weren’t new down here you would know my political positions. Do some research if you care so much. Just look at Steve and Daddys recent interaction. That’s how true debate and differing opinions work. Not some 10 page whiny manifesto. I will take back my “Kid” statement but it’s surprising since you come off as a hardcore millennial.
Your ok with these but have heartache for Daddys response!Thanks Tank! I manage to blow off the dust and kick it in gear once in a while.
I don't visit down here in the dungeon often primarily because of responses like Mr. Saucedaddy's. It is unfortunate that instead of an intelligent exchange of ideas taking place guys like him just resort to the typical juvenile name calling. Of course there is plenty of name calling from the other said too which is also unfortunate. I've only seen a few such as yourself, post well though out arguments and encourage response. I guess that's why most other RDP members don't look here either.
Kinda like Ofuckfaces 57 States????
You enjoy long novels, don’t you? Ok, ole wise one let’s try this for debate... I will ask the question, you answer it, then we will debate our points.
First, the question was “Medicare” for all, not “Healthcare” for all. Point is, tomorrow we can implement Medicare for all because the system is already in place. Yes, “Taxes” would go up. As for ER’s, your point is already happening, people without Ins. go to ER and overcrowd them. So we agree Medicare for all is good and works otherwise every 65 y.o wouldn't be using it.Too long for you? What's the matter, your ADD kicks in after one sentence? Geez, have you ever read a book?
Especially as a retire guy, yes I do. Unfortunately there are many many problems that would result.
First of all the cost is unsustainable. As an EMT I do frequent transports to ED's where I see shortages of beds, personnel and equipment. Once people find out they can go to the hospital for little or no cost they will go every time they get a hang nail and the system will quickly become overwhelmed.
As a veteran, I can tell how screwed up the VA healthcare system is. Extremely long waits, poor care, bad record keeping, etc. When the government gets involved in things they generally make it more costly, more cumbersome and less effective.
I also think it will stifle R&D. Granted, I do believe big pharm needs some regulation and I am firmly against how they push their drugs onto doctors (I've seen it first hand) but if the government regulates too much (like the cost of drugs) then they will no longer have any incentive to develop new drugs.
I think as a prosperous nation we should be able to provide decent healthcare for all (US citizens only!) but I'm afraid there is no real way to implement it efficiently or make it cost effective. I don't have a solution but maybe making all health care costs tax deductible (although that wouldn't help my much as I'm retired and don't have a large income) would help. If we could provide free care a high copay would be essential to prevent system abuse.
The bottom line is yes, I'd like to see healthcare for all but don;t think it is possible.
