Trump trial

[hallett21]

Looks like the jury is deliberating. I wonder how this is gonna go.

 

[Gramps]

I have two opinions.............1 - how it should go and 2 - how it will go

 

[Racey]

Lol this whole thing is so beyond clown world it's unbelievable.

Even if Cohen wasn't a complete caught red handed Larcenist, Liar, and Fraud. Let's just pretend he didn't lie, steal, and scam Trump and others by his own admission

How you can be charged for a "crime" that your attorney commits has such far reaching implications it should scare the shit out of anyone. The entire reason we hire counsel is because the law is too complex for us to navigate on our own. We have no choice but to rely on counsel to navigate the law for the client. When the client can be held liable because the attorney is a criminal, the entire system is in collapse.

Clown Show.

 

[Done-it-again]

unfortunately, I think they will convict him and will be overthrown in appeals court a year later.

During that time Biden wins the election.

 

[brianwhiteboy]

Orange man bad. He said pussy.

 

[Desert Whaler]

unfortunately, I think they will convict him and will be overthrown in appeals court a year later.

During that time Biden wins the election.

agreed

 

[hallett21]

Since these are all charges “in the first degree” does that mean that the jury has to believe he willingly and knowingly committed a crime?

Vs. 2nd and 3rd degree being charges for crimes committed, but not necessarily knowingly or willfully?

Edit

Also the jury has to agree unanimously on each count correct?

 

[shintoooo]

 

[hallett21]

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TSLA to $500 right? Lol

 

[FreeBird236]

Since these are all charges “in the first degree” does that mean that the jury has to believe he willingly and knowingly committed a crime?

Vs. 2nd and 3rd degree being charges for crimes committed, but not necessarily knowingly or willfully?

Edit

Also the jury has to agree unanimously on each count correct?

NO, with this corrupt judge all the normal laws are out the window. I can't begin to tell you the contortions this biased judge has done. Even CNN is critical of this show trial.

 

[hallett21]

With this corrupt judge all the normal laws are out the window. I can't begin to tell you the contortions this biased judge has done. Even CNN is critical of this show trial.

Can he overrule a hung jury?

 

[FreeBird236]

Can he overrule a hung jury?

I don't believe he can go that far, but I'm sure he'll send them back and back and back again with more biased instructions each time.

 

[TonyFanelli]

 

[RiverDave]

I agree with someone else in here you know it’s bad when even far left news networks are saying this is crazy.. and dangerous

 

[Englewood]

unfortunately, I think they will convict him and will be overthrown in appeals court a year later.

During that time Biden wins the election.

For the sake of this country and all that our ancestors have worked so hard for, I hope you are incorrect.

 

[stephenkatsea]

Seriously. Can the Judge be held in contempt of court?

 

[530RL]

Since these are all charges “in the first degree” does that mean that the jury has to believe he willingly and knowingly committed a crime?

Vs. 2nd and 3rd degree being charges for crimes committed, but not necessarily knowingly or willfully?

Edit

Also the jury has to agree unanimously on each count correct?

These are the jury instructions which are a result of both the Prosecution and the Defense submitting their own versions and then the judge arbitrating the final instruction. These will answer any and all questions for anyone who has yet come to a legal or factual conclusion. If one has already concluded either of those two questions, these instructions are immaterial.

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/d458fdbff3cd7a41/84784522-full.pdf

 

[Sandlord]

These are the jury instructions which are a result of both the Prosecution and the Defense submitting their own versions and then the judge arbitrating the final instruction. These will answer any and all questions for anyone who has yet come to a legal or factual conclusion. If one has already concluded either of those two questions, these instructions are immaterial.

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/d458fdbff3cd7a41/84784522-full.pdf

Does that document include the the version from the prosecution and the defense seperately before the judge decided what to take from each?

 

[Done-it-again]

For the sake of this country and all that our ancestors have worked so hard for, I hope you are incorrect.

Me too... Its freaking scary as hell...

I just don't see any other way for the Dems to win... They won 3 1/2 yrs ago with Joe hiding out and they know that cant work the 2nd time. So this is their next play and honestly its working. So mindboggling what this judge has allowed in his court that wasn't even relevant in the case. But yet the jury still heard it, and once you do, that sticks with you even when you are told to forget the testimony later.... The jury has been poisoned and mix that with some confusing jury instructions it's a recipe for disaster consequences

 

[ridebig]

I don’t think a conviction will make a difference. It might hopefully make him stronger

 

[Singleton]

Judge Merchan delivered an BS instruction.
Copied from another article = Judge said that there is no need to agree on what occurred. Jurors can disagree on what the crime was among the three choices provided on each count.

Thus, if the jury is split 4-4-4, the judge he will still treat them as unanimous.

 

[hallett21]

Judge Merchan delivered an BS instruction.
Copied from another article = Judge said that there is no need to agree on what occurred. Jurors can disagree on what the crime was among the three choices provided on each count.

Thus, if the jury is split 4-4-4, the judge he will still treat them as unanimous.

So you need one juror to just go not guilty on all of them.

 

[530RL]

So you need one juror to just go not guilty on all of them.

Each charge is separate and requires a separate conclusion.

 

[boatpi]

This entire trial questions of legitimacy of the United States Constitution. It’s blasphemy.

 

[regor]

"This Is Insanity": Judge In Trump Case Issues Unbelievable Jury Instructions​

Judge Merchan just told jurors that they DO NOT have to unanimously agree on what crime Trump is guilty of...

WED MAY 29, AT 8:55 AM


Update (1345ET): Legal minds are beside themselves at how the judge in the Trump 'hush money' case has instructed jurors to rule - first in what constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley called "the coup de grace instruction," Judge Juan Merchan said that there is no need to agree on what occurred - and can disagree on what the crime was among the charges.

And they called us the Facists?!!!!!


How you don't vote for this man is beyond me. If you don't, you clearly are a crook or an imbecile for not seeing what is occurring in this nation.

 

[hallett21]

Each charge is separate and requires a separate conclusion.

So where does this 3 different versions of guilty come into play?

 

[Gramps]

I should have added a third opinion. If Trump is found guilty of any of the charges I bet there will be major rioting and possibly bloodshed in the streets

 

[RiverDave]

I should have added a third opinion. If Trump is found guilty of any of the charges I bet there will be major rioting and possibly bloodshed in the streets

No there won’t be.. if they actually try to send him to jail that might happen though..

 

[Gramps]

No there won’t be..

I hope there won't be but I wouldn't be surprised if there is

 

[530RL]

So where does this 3 different versions of guilty come into play?

It’s media spin to inflame the masses.

I posted the jury instructions for everyone to read themselves. They are simple for anyone to follow and come to their own conclusion.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I should have added a third opinion. If Trump is found guilty of any of the charges I bet there will be major rioting and possibly bloodshed in the streets

I suspect you are wrong. MAGA don't roll like ANTIFA. I suspect it could be more calculated and trigger escalation by the Biden Administration that would further escalate until we end up with a moral dilemma unlike many have ever been faced with. The Constitution is our compass.

 

[RiverDave]

It’s media spin to inflame the masses.

I posted the jury instructions for everyone to read themselves. They are simple for anyone to follow and come to their own conclusion.

Do you believe this trial has been conducted fairly and honestly?

Better yet do you believe any of this should have been tried to begin with?

 

[hallett21]

These are the jury instructions which are a result of both the Prosecution and the Defense submitting their own versions and then the judge arbitrating the final instruction. These will answer any and all questions for anyone who has yet come to a legal or factual conclusion. If one has already concluded either of those two questions, these instructions are immaterial.

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/d458fdbff3cd7a41/84784522-full.pdf

Admittedly I skimmed for 10 mins but the directions seem straight forward.

 

[Gramps]

Do you believe this trial has been conducted fairly and honestly?

Better yet do you believe any of this should have been tried to begin with?

no and no

 

[Done-it-again]

It’s media spin to inflame the masses.

I posted the jury instructions for everyone to read themselves. They are simple for anyone to follow and come to their own conclusion.

So you found a copy of the jury instruction, but yet the jury themselves cannot get a copy of them.... 55 pages.

 

[941Punk]

What time does the civil war start?

 

[hallett21]

So you found a copy of the jury instruction, but yet the jury themselves cannot get a copy of them.... 55 pages.

I guess this where I’m confused

 

[jetboatperformance]

Wait just a dadgum minute ! is this a policitcal thread

 

[hallett21]

Wait just a dadgum minute ! is this a policitcal thread

Lol I was hoping we could just keep it civil and on the trial.

 

[RiverDave]

What time does the civil war start?

Right about the time the Perp walk starts if I had to guess

 

[Sportin' Wood]

What time does the civil war start?

If history provides any guidance it will occur when a state tries to secede from the union. Anything else would likely be considered domestic terrorism.

 

[86403]

Regardless of your opinion of the Trump, does anyone here think he committed a crime worthy of prosecuting?

 

[530RL]

Do you believe this trial has been conducted fairly and honestly?

Better yet do you believe any of this should have been tried to begin with?

I believe every bomb maker eventually gets bitten by his own work.

 

[DWC]

Regardless of your opinion of the Trump, does anyone here think he committed a crime worthy of prosecuting?

If he was guilty of election interference then so is everyone tied up in hiding and/or lying about the crackhead’s laptop. That list is LONGGGG

 

[Gramps]

Regardless of your opinion of the Trump, does anyone here think he committed a crime worthy of prosecuting?

no

 

[TeamGreene]

And pretzel makers seem to eat too many carbs

 

[hallett21]

Regardless of your opinion of the Trump, does anyone here think he committed a crime worthy of prosecuting?

I think he’s spent the majority of his professional life in the deep grey area. Do I think he knowingly breaks laws? No

Does he play the game and push it to the limit? Absolutely.

I think a reasonable person (someone who can remove themselves from political allegiances) would call this a witch hunt. These crimes could have been pursued for a long time and it’s clear they are only being pursued to sway an election.

 

[Sandlord]

Jury sent home for the day.
I wonder if a juror will be replaced when they resume?

 

[DUN]

I believe every bomb maker eventually gets bitten by his own work.

If by making bombs, you mean fighting against a globalist push to take control of the US, you are absolutely right.

 

[530RL]

A majority of the jury will not want this to drag into next week.