Trabuco canyon fire

[oldman]

Although your point is well taken, all three of the So Cal fires are burning in National Forests, not state. Just as all the regularly scheduled fires at Camp Pendleton are on Federal Property.
The Federal Government owns 58% of the forest land in California, with 3% of forest lands being owned by the state.
8/4/20 the Feds and State Representatives signed a MOU for "AGREEMENT FOR SHARED STEWARDSHIP OF CALIFORNIA’S FOREST AND RANGELANDS Between the STATE OF CALIFORNIA And the USDA, FOREST SERVICE PACIFIC SOUTHWEST REGION".

" With California’s landscape heavily divided among multiple landowners, coordinated stewardship is critical to success. The U.S. Forest Service’s Pacific Southwest Region manages over 20 million acres across 18 National Forests in California. The State of California has nearly14 million acres of private or state-owned forested lands within its jurisdiction. Together this represents over one-third of California’s landmass. "

Essentially dollars will be invested by both sides to reduce wildfire risks by various means starting with 500,000 acres a year and by 2025 achieving 1 million acres per year.

If you're interested you can read the PDF of the agreement here.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/8.12.20-CA-Shared-Stewardship-MOU.pdf

I do know that during the winter there's been an increased efforts in various forest areas of San Diego County's mountains. As you can see by the acreages stated above, it's a daunting task that's going to take years.

Of course in our case, losing our home in a '07 wildfire, it had nothing to do with forest management, it's our lovely native chaparral the huggers worship and protect.
We run into this weed devotion annually when we write letters to the San Diego River Park conservancy to allow us to clear a wider swath to gain more clearance that we'll gladly pay for ----- Oh no, that weed is protected they scream in defense.

Thank you for setting the record straight, And I will read the document, We spend a lot of time in all of the areas burning. And we tend to feel we are mindful. Weather arson or natural causes we always worry about losing access.
I'm quick to point at state government.

 

[HCP3]

 

[Taboma]

Thank you for setting the record straight, And I will read the document, We spend a lot of time in all of the areas burning. And we tend to feel we are mindful. Weather arson or natural causes we always worry about losing access.
I'm quick to point at state government.

Having already lost one home to fire, I find fires of this nature frightfully humbling.
I find I can't help but watch each similar event, not to view the spectacle, but hoping to be treated to an amazing display of our improved abilities to secure early control and quickly best the beast.
As these three fires and unfortunately others have shown, even while not being hindered by the seasonal wind velocities of our local Santa Ana's, that despite being aided by far more air and technological support than in the past, if we can't stop them almost immediately, our crews are in for a long and tough fight.
Mom nature can be one mean bad-ass bitch.
I do applaud all those fighting the good fight, be it in the air or with hand shovels, and I'm certainly proud of the extreme efforts put forth in regards to life safety and structure protection.
I just selfishly hope that if a similar event such as the one of '07 reaches our immediate area, those in charge, allow those crews to actually lay hose and fight rather than sitting staged out on the main road while we burn.

 

[85RiverRAT]

Just saw a half dozen SA (Santa Ana?) Fire Trucks rolling out of RSM, while taking my son to school. Pretty proud of them! My son was yellin' "Dada Fire Truck!" from the back seat. "Yeah buddy they kept all of us safe this week!"

 

[Music to my Ears]

Our son is currently on a strike force from Anaheim Fire and Rescue. His team was on the initial attack for 36 hours straight. They got 12 hours off for sleep and then back to Holy Jim the last 24 hours. They have 24 off now but will be back on the line tomorrow morning. He said it’s been a pretty intense fight so far, as you can imagine.

 

[Taboma]

One thing I'm at a loss to understand while sitting her at my computer in my capacity as an "Armchair Quarterback", is this.
Why does it seem, that in the early to even late AM hours, they're not thumping these fires hard with an aerial assault of much greater magnitude than what I see being exhibited daily ?

Like right now, I've watched two parked Tankers sitting at San Berdoo, but not flying. I'm finally seeing one Tanker and two type 1 helos near Pinyon hills, and a couple of type 2 helos near the 18 on the line fire. I know they have in possession far more tankers and even the National Guard helos from yesterday afternoon.
Why WAIT for the big afternoon flare ups, can these be somewhat mitigated when the fire is less aggressive in during the mornings ?

I have a close friend who works on fires dozing up in northern CA. The first time he explained an average fire line day to me I was not only surprised, but seriously pissed at how many hours are pissed away before the dozer's first puff of smoke each day, not to mention the strict rules and limits of what can be touched by his blade.

 

[76sanger]

One thing I'm at a loss to understand while sitting her at my computer in my capacity as an "Armchair Quarterback", is this.
Why does it seem, that in the early to even late AM hours, they're not thumping these fires hard with an aerial assault of much greater magnitude than what I see being exhibited daily ?

Like right now, I've watched two parked Tankers sitting at San Berdoo, but not flying. I'm finally seeing one Tanker and two type 1 helos near Pinyon hills, and a couple of type 2 helos near the 18 on the line fire. I know they have in possession far more tankers and even the National Guard helos from yesterday afternoon.
Why WAIT for the big afternoon flare ups, can these be somewhat mitigated when the fire is less aggressive in during the mornings ?

I have a close friend who works on fires dozing up in northern CA. The first time he explained an average fire line day to me I was not only surprised, but seriously pissed at how many hours are pissed away before the dozer's first puff of smoke each day, not to mention the strict rules and limits of what can be touched by his blade.

It's all about the money! I dont know what else to say. When the government in Oregon took over all fire operations and stopped the loggers from being the first responders along with other citizen help, the fires have since burned for many more weeks, if not for months since that takeover. They are not vested in the forest! They are not vested in any homes around the fires! To me, it's all about getting as much money in their pockets as possible until the next fire season! And whatever happens, happens. I say this with friends that are wild land fire fighters and they have told me their is NO rush literally 90% of the time. Once again corruption at the highest level with no regard to anything!

 

[Tooms22]

One thing I'm at a loss to understand while sitting her at my computer in my capacity as an "Armchair Quarterback", is this.
Why does it seem, that in the early to even late AM hours, they're not thumping these fires hard with an aerial assault of much greater magnitude than what I see being exhibited daily ?

Like right now, I've watched two parked Tankers sitting at San Berdoo, but not flying. I'm finally seeing one Tanker and two type 1 helos near Pinyon hills, and a couple of type 2 helos near the 18 on the line fire. I know they have in possession far more tankers and even the National Guard helos from yesterday afternoon.
Why WAIT for the big afternoon flare ups, can these be somewhat mitigated when the fire is less aggressive in during the mornings ?

I have a close friend who works on fires dozing up in northern CA. The first time he explained an average fire line day to me I was not only surprised, but seriously pissed at how many hours are pissed away before the dozer's first puff of smoke each day, not to mention the strict rules and limits of what can be touched by his blade.

 

[MissB]

anymore info on this???? where do they want them?

@Gramps I'm sorry I missed this, I got busy at work. I don't usually have info on where the initial drops will take place, it's an as needed basis from what I understand. I hope you stayed safe!

 

[Taboma]

@Gramps I'm sorry I missed this, I got busy at work. I don't usually have info on where the initial drops will take place, it's an as needed basis from what I understand. I hope you stayed safe!

MissB,
Looking at Watchduty for the three big fires and having noticed all the various Evacuation Zones identified by county and or locale abbreviated letters and numbers, I got curious how one might determine your specified zone identifier for San Diego County.
Searching the internet what I found were some very large PDF files of SD County Zone maps consisting of numerous maps with outlined zone areas each with no abbreviated letters, but identifying numbers that go well into the thousands.
What I noticed was, this map showed who's water and fire districts you were served by. As an example, we used to be Rincon Del Diablo FD and they are our water provider, but now Escondido FD serves their service area.
We're adjacent to your RSFD which seems to now extend up West Valley past Via Rancho Prkwy.
Is this the mapping system San Diego's emergency services would use to specify various evacuation zones ?

 

[Nordie]

Just saw a half dozen SA (Santa Ana?) Fire Trucks rolling out of RSM, while taking my son to school. Pretty proud of them! My son was yellin' "Dada Fire Truck!" from the back seat. "Yeah buddy they kept all of us safe this week!"

There was some fire trucks at a hotel here in Vegas this morning, I'm guessing they're headed that way. They weren't the typical Red or Yellow we see here, so it caught my eye.

 

[Tooms22]

Did this one flare up again?

Both DC-10s and the 737 are making drops by Coto De Caza.

 

[DrunkenSailor]

My only thought is with no active management the more fuel they let burn that isn't close to structures cuts down on fuel for future fires. Hell if I know though.

 

[evantwheeler]

This is intersting.

The PDF is a claim form against the County of Orange. Are they saying the county is responsible for the loss since their employees started the fire?

 

[4Waters]

This is intersting.

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The PDF is a claim form against the County of Orange. Are they saying the county is responsible for the loss since their employees started the fire?

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Yes, and if they think people's ins is gonna pay they are mistaken.

 

[Singleton]

Yes, and if they think people's ins is gonna pay they are mistaken.

Their goes the tax surplus

 

[Tooms22]

Something must be going on... there is now 3 DC-10s, a 737, and C130 hitting that same area near Coto De Caza

 

[Singleton]

Something must be going on... there is now 3 DC-10s, a 737, and C130 hitting that same area near Coto De Caza

Most likely trying to kill that line before it enters that neighborhood.

 

[Tooms22]

Most likely trying to kill that line before it enters that neighborhood.

Damn, just need a neighborhood of $5 million - $25 million houses to bring out the heavy machinery

 

[Cobalt232]

There was some fire trucks at a hotel here in Vegas this morning, I'm guessing they're headed that way. They weren't the typical Red or Yellow we see here, so it caught my eye.

Vegas FD is sending trucks up to Reno today and yesterday. I was in town for a trade show and that is what they said on the news last night.

 

[Taboma]

Did this one flare up again?

Both DC-10s and the 737 are making drops by Coto De Caza.

Just read they've downgraded some of the mandatory evacs in Robinson Ranch as one example to warning and allowing some residents to return.

 

[MissB]

MissB,
Looking at Watchduty for the three big fires and having noticed all the various Evacuation Zones identified by county and or locale abbreviated letters and numbers, I got curious how one might determine your specified zone identifier for San Diego County.
Searching the internet what I found were some very large PDF files of SD County Zone maps consisting of numerous maps with outlined zone areas each with no abbreviated letters, but identifying numbers that go well into the thousands.
What I noticed was, this map showed who's water and fire districts you were served by. As an example, we used to be Rincon Del Diablo FD and they are our water provider, but now Escondido FD serves their service area.
We're adjacent to your RSFD which seems to now extend up West Valley past Via Rancho Prkwy.
Is this the mapping system San Diego's emergency services would use to specify various evacuation zones ?

The new "mapping" came down after being initiated in Northern California. It used to be that land markers (streets, hwy's, rivers) identified the zones. Now, there is a new system, Genasys. each city/county has a 3 letter identifier for example SDC= San Diego County and then the number identifies your "zone or block". so instead of saying = I need to evac from Parkway to Main, they now jus call out these zones numbers. And Genasys pushes the evacuations out. I rely on Watch Duty pretty heavily for the evac info. The incident commanders use the ARCGIS system, which is the fancy one. Did this answer your question?

 

[Taboma]

The new "mapping" came down after being initiated in Northern California. It used to be that land markers (streets, hwy's, rivers) identified the zones. Now, there is a new system, Genasys. each city/county has a 3 letter identifier for example SDC= San Diego County and then the number identifies your "zone or block". so instead of saying = I need to evac from Parkway to Main, they now jus call out these zones numbers. And Genasys pushes the evacuations out. I rely on Watch Duty pretty heavily for the evac info. The incident commanders use the ARCGIS system, which is the fancy one. Did this answer your question?

Thank you,
I found the Genasys Protect map that includes SD County. The SD County PDS map I found that identified our zones number, just adds the SDC as a prefix otherwise same zone number. Now I understand

Genasys Protect

Genasys Protect helps you stay safe in an emergency and keeps you safe wherever you go. The data in Genasys Protect comes straight from your local officials, and can tell you about danger nearby and how to stay safe.

protect.genasys.com

 

[85RiverRAT]

Did this one flare up again?

Both DC-10s and the 737 are making drops by Coto De Caza.

Something must be going on... there is now 3 DC-10s, a 737, and C130 hitting that same area near Coto De Caza

Most likely trying to kill that line before it enters that neighborhood.

An update did state that there was a flare up late in the afternoon in an unburned area on the southwest side within the perimeter. The planes were building the phos-chek line along the Coto area, as mentioned. There is a pretty good red line last night in the foothills, they dumped a lot of material. It is incredible how low they get in their dives, following the lead plane, and then pull up and out again. I caught it a few times running errands last night.

Pretty calm/clear otherwise this AM, very campfire like, the whole range is a giant ash-pot right now. Wild week!

 

[Flatsix66]

This is intersting.

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The PDF is a claim form against the County of Orange. Are they saying the county is responsible for the loss since their employees started the fire?

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So if my house in RivCo was damaged will OC pay since they fucked up?

 

[Good Stuff]

So if my house in RivCo was damaged will OC pay since they fucked up?

They caused the fire so they pay the bill.

 

[Singleton]

So if my house in RivCo was damaged will OC pay since they fucked up?

If damage is linked to current Airport Fire, then yes. I was in a meeting with the entire OC finance office yesterday. The estimated payout for this damage is huge (we used the use/case to demo software). But no one is talking how long it will take to get payments.

 

[evantwheeler]

So if my house in RivCo was damaged will OC pay since they fucked up?

No clue. I just saw that posting and the link to the OC damage claim PDF and figured it was worth posting. It’s likely just an act to placate the affected population for now, with emotions high and the public knowledge that County employees are responsible for starting the fire.

 

[OCMerrill]

Orange county is on the hook for all those burned out cabins in Holy Jim. I dont know how many but with the flair-up yesterday more stuff burned.

We seem to be past or behind it at this point.

That 737 flew over my house yesterday and was low enough to pull the folks out to see what that was. I was helping my son with Brakes on his truck at the time.

 

[DBMX]

Orange county is on the hook for all those burned out cabins in Holy Jim. I dont know how many but with the flair-up yesterday more stuff burned.

We seem to be past or behind it at this point.

That 737 flew over my house yesterday and was low enough to pull the folks out to see what that was. I was helping my son with Brakes on his truck at the time.

I wonder if any of the cabins are left at this point? So sad. I loved it up there. I've spent a lot of days on a mountain bike on Holy Jim.