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[4Waters]

My sister in law is an elementary school teacher. They recently had a parent log into the zoom and show the kids how to polish the one eyed weasel.

My kids would be dropped off at school the next day.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I am still baffled as to when guns became so evil that the mere sight of one causes all this bullshit?

am I the only one that grew up with cap guns and played cowboys and Indians etc?

To that end if I put my kid in class on video in a gun room with the walls completely loaded, I’m not sure why that would be “inappropriate?”

I would understand if a kid was handling one and pointing it at the camera or making threats..

But this same situation happened recently because the kid had a BB gun on the wall behind him.

also before Covid cops came to a kids house and he was I believe expelled because he had pictures of himself at a shooting range on HIS SOCIAL MEDIA.. nothing to do with school.

In the meantime I’m over here with my kids

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so are the cops coming? Lol.

Does your kid do that in the classroom? Do they bring to school?

That is the difference. Yes it is in your house. The time to mess around with it and pose for pictures is not during school time on a video conference.

If you don’t want people in your business, don’t post details about your kids and life on open social platforms.

The cops were called in this case because the teacher overreacted. She should have reached out to the parents first.

The fact that the cops came to the kids house and he was “traumatized and sobbing” because of a welfare check is another commentary on the state of policing as well.

 

[RiverDave]

My sister in law is an elementary school teacher. They recently had a parent log into the zoom and show the kids how to polish the one eyed weasel.

so is he a child sex offender now?

 

[monkeyswrench]

I am still baffled as to when guns became so evil that the mere sight of one causes all this bullshit?

am I the only one that grew up with cap guns and played cowboys and Indians etc?

To that end if I put my kid in class on video in a gun room with the walls completely loaded, I’m not sure why that would be “inappropriate?”

I would understand if a kid was handling one and pointing it at the camera or making threats..

But this same situation happened recently because the kid had a BB gun on the wall behind him.

also before Covid cops came to a kids house and he was I believe expelled because he had pictures of himself at a shooting range on HIS SOCIAL MEDIA.. nothing to do with school.

In the meantime I’m over here with my kids

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so are the cops coming? Lol.

Cap guns and "Cops & Robbers"...raised in households that were still proud of their country.
Liberals don't see the need for families to own guns. We (may) have them for both hunting and defense in our house. I think vegans now make the rules. I had never heard of such a creature in my youth, so vegans and their ilk may be the problem. People on the left somehow think guns represent violence. They fail to see their own blowing things up, and causing bloodshed.
If the left realized what could be done with tools chemicals around the house, they would see that guns are not the perpetrators of violence, people are. I am very thankful those who are more prepared for "war", are not the ones instigating the fight.
Teach your kids to shoot. If you don't, learn how. Learn how a gun works, and points of failure, firing pins, ejectors, gas rings, etc. Like G.I.Joe toons used to say, "Knowing is half the battle."

 

[RiverDave]

Imagine the stupidity and ignorance it takes to believe something called “the peace keeper” represents violence..

 

[WhatExit?]

Thanks to Covid schools and teachers are finally teaching parents what they're really about: Indoctrination and socialism

If you want your kids to get a real education it appears it can't be gained in a public school

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Cap guns and "Cops & Robbers"...raised in households that were still proud of their country.
Liberals don't see the need for families to own guns. We (may) have them for both hunting and defense in our house. I think vegans now make the rules. I had never heard of such a creature in my youth, so vegans and their ilk may be the problem. People on the left somehow think guns represent violence. They fail to see their own blowing things up, and causing bloodshed.
If the left realized what could be done with tools chemicals around the house, they would see that guns are not the perpetrators of violence, people are. I am very thankful those who are more prepared for "war", are not the ones instigating the fight.
Teach your kids to shoot. If you don't, learn how. Learn how a gun works, and points of failure, firing pins, ejectors, gas rings, etc. Like G.I.Joe toons used to say, "Knowing is half the battle."

If you also taught them that the guns are not toys to brandish and screw around with when you are bored and alone while on video then there would never be a problem.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

@Flying_Lavey already said he is not going to change anything about his household and daily habits while his kids are distance learning LOL.

I’ve seen half naked parents, heard screaming matches, inappropriate music, etc. Believe me.. I don’t want to be a part of any of these other households either, but here I am.

Does your kid do that in the classroom? Do they bring to school?

That is the difference. Yes it is in your house. The time to mess around with it and pose for pictures is not during school time on a video conference.

If you don’t want people in your business, don’t post details about your kids and life on open social platforms.

The cops were called in this case because the teacher overreacted. She should have reached out to the parents first.

The fact that the cops came to the kids house and he was “traumatized and sobbing” because of a welfare check is another commentary on the state of policing as well.

Don't know what your problem is with me and common fucking sense. Age appropriate content should be the ONLY rule with this distance learning bullshit.

My kids go to a charter school that doesn't have their head up their collective asses and are actually IN school.

I think if more people were taught the correct way to handle guns there would be a lot less fear mongering and stigma surrounding all types of guns.

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[Wheeler]

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Don't know what your problem is with me and common fucking sense. Age appropriate content should be the ONLY rule with this distance learning bullshit.

My kids go to a charter school that doesn't have their head up their collective asses and are actually IN school.

I think if more people were taught the correct way to handle guns there would be a lot less fear mongering and stigma surrounding all types of guns.

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The kid was clearly not correctly handling the airsoft gun, the parents of the kid admit that, so I’m not sure what you are requesting here?

It is distance learning, not distance fuck off with random stuff in your room on camera.

Should this have gone strait to a welfare check from the cops? Probably not.

 

[DRYHEAT]

Does your kid do that in the classroom? Do they bring to school?

Don’t you remember show and tell?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Don’t you remember show and tell?

LOL if this happened during show and tell I take it all back

 

[monkeyswrench]

If you also taught them that the guns are not toys to brandish and screw around with when you are bored and alone while on video then there would never be a problem.

Fully agree. My kids know that the screen is closed at the end of the lesson, and only allowed to "doodle" with pen and paper during "class". Though it would be fun to do a backdrop of the armory scene from "The Matrix", just to see the response.

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She must be an old school teacher...them Israeli chicks are pretty good with rifles of more "modern" design.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

The kid was clearly not correctly handling the airsoft gun, the parents of the kid admit that, so I’m not sure what you are requesting here?

It is distance learning, not distance fuck off with random stuff in your room on camera.

Should this have gone strait to a welfare check from the cops? Probably not.

Not correctly handling it? Glad you have been able to review the video and his procedure for handling a TOY GUN when all the article said was he was handling it and posing with before loading a magazine. Doesn't say he pointed it at anybody, threatened anybody, or anything like that.

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[was thatguy]

Stupid move on the kids part home or not during class, deserves the suspension in my opinion.

For a toy fucking gun?!
Fuck that.
They called the god damned police over an obvious air soft gun...in his home?
What the fuck.
And anyone thinks that’s reasonable??

In the mean time CO is one of the states leading the way to defund police and THIS is their priority??

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Fully agree. My kids know that the screen is closed at the end of the lesson, and only allowed to "doodle" with pen and paper during "class". Though it would be fun to do a backdrop of the armory scene from "The Matrix", just to see the response.


She must be an old school teacher...them Israeli chicks are pretty good with rifles of more "modern" design.

Yea that is how we approach it too. 3rd grader is doing ok. She lost focus in a social studies lesson/video deal last week and got 5 out of 15 on the test. We told her she’s going to have to repeat third grade if she keeps doing that. I think we scared her straight lol.

This is a different style of learning for sure. If anything just helping her master how to retain information and take tests in this format is a win for me if we get nothing else out of it.

 

[monkeyswrench]

He was "handling" a toy gun during class. 30 years ago, we could still have the toy gun, but would still get in trouble for playing with it in class. That hasn't changed, I don't think. Kid should have got a talking to from the teacher though, not a welfare check from PD.

 

[was thatguy]

so is he a child sex offender now?

Running for mayor in CA somewhere no doubt.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Not correctly handling it? Glad you have been able to review the video and his procedure for handling a TOY GUN when all the article said was he was handling it and posing with before loading a magazine. Doesn't say he pointed it at anybody, threatened anybody, or anything like that.

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What you just described from the article is exactly how to not handle a projectile shooting gun, so I guess you saw the video as well?

You can’t point the gun at anybody on a screen. In class is simply not the time and place to brandish and mess with it. Even the kids parents said as much, they are his parents, and they know best.

Do you toss an airsoft gun in your kids backpack to play with on campus when they are bored?

 

[was thatguy]

If you also taught them that the guns are not toys to brandish and screw around with when you are bored and alone while on video then there would never be a problem.

Hmmm
We had BB gun wars all the time.
Snow suits and goggles in July!

Air soft and nerf guns are EXACTLY for playing with.

Hell, it’s the fucking norm in the channel these days...where is the outrage??

 

[DRYHEAT]

The kid was clearly not correctly handling the airsoft gun, the parents of the kid admit that, so I’m not sure what you are requesting here?

It is distance learning, not distance fuck off with random stuff in your room on camera.

Should this have gone strait to a welfare check from the cops? Probably not.

This is why the kids need to be in school. I don’t think any 11-year-old is going to be able to police himself, yes some kids are more responsible than others, but without direct adult supervision none of these kids are getting a proper education.

I personally think the teachers unions are using this “crisis“ to glean more money from the system. If teachers are really worried about catching COVID-19 and we can build plexiglass boxes around the teachers desks and let them teach a classroom like they should be doing.
I wonder how many of these kids are home alone with no supervision whatsoever?

 

[was thatguy]

I just can’t believe so many parents have willingly let the gestapo influencers straight into their homes.
You thought Alexis and Siri weren’t enough?
Congrats. Big brother is raising your own kids in your own house and made you sign a paper saying you allow it.

Unreal.
listening wasn’t enough I guess?
Now they have a video link to monitor your shit with..while they program your kids.
Thank god I’m old and will die sooner than later.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

This is why the kids need to be in school. I don’t think any 11-year-old is going to be able to police himself, yes some kids are more responsible than others, but without direct adult supervision none of these kids are getting a proper education.

I personally think the teachers unions are using this “crisis“ to glean more money from the system. If teachers are really worried about catching COVID-19 and we can build plexiglass boxes around the teachers desks and let them teach a classroom like they should be doing.
I wonder how many of these kids are home alone with no supervision whatsoever?

I agree they should be in school, but this is where we are at right now. Hopefully mine will be back in class by this time next month.

30 years ago you could leave a 10-11 year old home alone. Now you’d have your kids taken away for doing it. That 11 year old was just being a dumb preteen boy most likely, but they are old enough to police themselves to a degree and stay disciplined For short periods of time at that age.

 

[4Waters]

This is why the kids need to be in school. I don’t think any 11-year-old is going to be able to police himself, yes some kids are more responsible than others, but without direct adult supervision none of these kids are getting a proper education.

I personally think the teachers unions are using this “crisis“ to glean more money from the system. If teachers are really worried about catching COVID-19 and we can build plexiglass boxes around the teachers desks and let them teach a classroom like they should be doing.
I wonder how many of these kids are home alone with no supervision whatsoever?

There's a few in my son's class that are home alone, he's in 4th grade.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I just can’t believe so many parents have willingly let the spus straight into their homes.
You thought Alexis and Siri weren’t enough?
Congrats. Big brother is raising your own kids in your own house and made you sign a paper saying you allow it.

Unreal.

An experienced teacher likely is not seeing much they couldn’t figure out on their own.

My daughter does her thing in private in her room. Her teacher does not hear or see anything unless there is a technology problem and one of us has to go in and help her and we try to stay off camera lol.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

There's a few in my son's class that are home alone, he's in 4th grade.

lots of people don’t have any choice.

Our school opened a shaded outdoor area for kids to sit and do their work connected to the schools WiFI.

 

[was thatguy]

There's a few in my son's class that are home alone, he's in 4th grade.

We were always home alone after school as long as I could remember.
At 11 we were riding our MX’s and YZ’s after school, or our snow machines in winter, until mom got home at night.
Then again, at 12 we were old enough to legally bag groceries. I guess today a 12 year old still rides around in a car seat and drinks formula?

 

[was thatguy]

An experienced teacher likely is not seeing much they couldn’t figure out on their own.

My daughter does her thing in private in her room. Her teacher does not hear or see anything unless there is a technology problem and one of us has to go in and help her and we try to stay off camera lol.

I believe you, and I realize that a LOT of parents have little choice.
But my point is that it isn’t THEIR DAMNED JOB to figure out ANYTHING in my home.
Thats mine and your business, not theirs.
My kids are grown, my oldest is 38 and a teacher herself.
I know this...IF I had any say so about kids or grandkids there is NO FUCKING WAY I would permit ANY intrusion into my household under the guise of education...Period.
I actually read and know my history.

 

[was thatguy]

Can someone remind me?
How many kids died from covid at school??
Maybe about the same as in gyms??

 

[was thatguy]

I am still baffled as to when guns became so evil that the mere sight of one causes all this bullshit?

am I the only one that grew up with cap guns and played cowboys and Indians etc?

To that end if I put my kid in class on video in a gun room with the walls completely loaded, I’m not sure why that would be “inappropriate?”

I would understand if a kid was handling one and pointing it at the camera or making threats..

But this same situation happened recently because the kid had a BB gun on the wall behind him.

also before Covid cops came to a kids house and he was I believe expelled because he had pictures of himself at a shooting range on HIS SOCIAL MEDIA.. nothing to do with school.

In the meantime I’m over here with my kids

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so are the cops coming? Lol.

Nice!
Love the trigger discipline even with no mag.
Dust cover is open so she checked the receiver...thumbs up!

Is that a can on the end or am I seeing it wrong?
(Which little soldier is that? The oldest?)

 

[DRYHEAT]

I believe you, and I realize that a LOT of parents have little choice.
But my point is that it isn’t THEIR DAMNED JOB to figure out ANYTHING in my home.
Thats mine and your business, not theirs.
My kids are grown, my oldest is 38 and a teacher herself.
I know this...IF I had any say so about kids or grandkids there is NO FUCKING WAY I would permit ANY intrusion into my household under the guise of education...Period.
I actually read and know my history.

I guess part of my ignorance is not understanding why the teachers need to be able to see the children on screen or why any of the other kids can see what the other kids are doing. Oh well, no easy answers I guess I hope this shit ends soon and we get back to somewhat normal but I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

What you just described from the article is exactly how to not handle a projectile shooting gun, so I guess you saw the video as well?

You can’t point the gun at anybody on a screen. In class is simply not the time and place to brandish and mess with it. Even the kids parents said as much, they are his parents, and they know best.

Do you toss an airsoft gun in your kids backpack to play with on campus when they are bored?

What I described is what they did not say. They said he was fiddling with it (no other clarification than that) and loaded it. A toy. Not a fucking 44 mag or a 22 or any sort of powder powered projectile weapon. An airsoft. Sorry your afraid if a toy, but it is that. A toy.

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[LargeOrangeFont]

I believe you, and I realize that a LOT of parents have little choice.
But my point is that it isn’t THEIR DAMNED JOB to figure out ANYTHING in my home.
Thats mine and your business, not theirs.
My kids are grown, my oldest is 38 and a teacher herself.
I know this...IF I had any say so about kids or grandkids there is NO FUCKING WAY I would permit ANY intrusion into my household under the guise of education...Period.
I actually read and know my history.

I understand your position. Honestly if I thought it was a concern I’d home school my kids.

This is not a situation anyone likes or is comfortable with.

 

[was thatguy]

I guess part of my ignorance is not understanding why the teachers need to be able to see the children on screen or why any of the other kids can see what the other kids are doing. Oh well, no easy answers I guess I hope this shit ends soon and we get back to somewhat normal but I don’t know if that’s ever going to happen.

Agreed. There is no REAL reason to video other than maybe to simulate classroom?

But know this and know it for real...it will never “go back” to normal. Never.
No different than erasing temporary taxes or what have you.
Especially in Lib controlled states.
There MIGHT be a compromise, but not much.
At best half the time in class which actually makes it harder for many parents.
Nope, they’ve gained massive ground here and will not surrender it easily.
All based on bullshit. All of it.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Can someone remind me?
How many kids died from covid at school??
Maybe about the same as in gyms??

Our kids school has been in session for almost a month now. Not a single reported case and you know kids are always great at social distancing and all that other bullshit.

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[LargeOrangeFont]

What I described is what they did not say. They said he was fiddling with it (no other clarification than that) and loaded it. A toy. Not a fucking 44 mag or a 22 or any sort of powder powered projectile weapon. An airsoft. Sorry your afraid if a toy, but it is that. A toy.

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Once again, it was not playtime, was it?

And how do you expect a teacher to know that it was not an actual gun? If that kid shot himself the next week now the school district has a real problem on its hands.

This was a 100% CYA move by the teacher and the school. If you aren’t prepared for this type of reaction, home school your kids, or take potentially questionable items for a scholastic setting out of their room during distance learning on video.

 

[was thatguy]

I understand your position. Honestly if I thought it was a concern I’d home school my kids.

This is not a situation anyone likes or is comfortable with.

It’ll be a “concern” soon enough.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Agreed. There is no REAL reason to video other than maybe to simulate classroom?

But know this and know it for real...it will never “go back” to normal. Never.
No different than erasing temporary taxes or what have you.
Especially in Lib controlled states.
There MIGHT be a compromise, but not much.
At best half the time in class which actually makes it harder for many parents.
Nope, they’ve gained massive ground here and will not surrender it easily.
All based on bullshit. All of it.

This would be a total shit show without vide for elementary aged children. Middle school and above, whatever, flunk them if the fuck off and fail tests . But that won’t happen either.

 

[was thatguy]

Once again, it was not playtime, was it?

And how do you expect a teacher to know that it was not an actual gun? If that kid shot himself the next week now the school district has a real problem on its hands.

This was a 100% CYA move by the teacher and the school. If you aren’t prepared for this type of reaction, home school your kids, or take potentially questionable items for a scholastic setting out of their room during distance learning on video.

Or put tape over the camera and do voice and text...who the fuck do they think they are?

 

[was thatguy]

This would be a total shit show without vide for elementary aged children. Middle school and above, whatever, flunk them if the fuck off and fail tests . But that won’t happen either.

To me, it’s an totalitarian shit show as is.
Like I said, thank god I won’t be around for the total implosion.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Once again, it was not playtime, was it?

And how do you expect a teacher to know that it was not an actual gun? If that kid shot himself the next week now the school district has a real problem on its hands.

This was a 100% CYA move by the teacher and the school. If you aren’t prepared for this type of reaction, home school your kids, or take potentially questionable items for a scholastic setting out of their room during distance learning on video.

The article says the teacher recognized it was a toy gun.

An appropriate response would be an email or message to all parents to try to ensure the kids treat their learning time as if they were in actual school. That is it. If the kid grabbed a hot wheels and played with it, that would be response. If he didn't threaten anybody, no difference. Period

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[LargeOrangeFont]

It’ll be a “concern” soon enough.

I’ve seen the level of competency at the school district.. they aren’t collecting and parsing anything

If my daughter’s teacher is gathering intel on my family from her bed, stuffed animals and the trees out her window, let them.

The smartphone you and I are holding and the tech companies we yield our privacy to via the smartphone will gather more info on you in 2 minutes than an entire year of distance learning.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Or put tape over the camera and do voice and text...who the fuck do they think they are?

Well the Blow boy learned that lesson. Hopefully his parents bought him one of the little sliding camera covers while he was enjoying his 4 day suspension. I would have headed to the river.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The article says the teacher recognized it was a toy gun.

An appropriate response would be an email or message to all parents to try to ensure the kids treat their learning time as if they were in actual school. That is it. If the kid grabbed a hot wheels and played with it, that would be response. If he didn't threaten anybody, no difference. Period

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Again, the police welfare check was a CYA move by the school. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[was thatguy]

I’ve seen the level of competency at the school district.. they aren’t collecting and parsing anything

If my daughter’s teacher is gathering intel on my family from her bed, stuffed animals and the trees out her window, let them.

The smartphone you and I are holding and the tech companies we yield our privacy to via the smartphone will gather more info on you in 2 minutes than an entire year of distance learning.

Lol! Fair enough!
But that’s generalizing, and we do it willingly.
There is no Alexis or anything beyond my phone here..and most of all my location apps are off. I know it doesn’t matter much, but we can’t go entirely off the grid and function in society. I get that.
But I feel for you parents. Seriously.
There is no fucking way I would ever let any adult access to my kids bedrooms via video link for any reason at any time. No fucking way. Teachers not the least.

Call me old fashion.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Again, the police welfare check was a CYA move by the school. Nothing more, nothing less.

No, it was a HUGE over reach. HUGE.

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[LargeOrangeFont]

Lol! Fair enough!
But that’s generalizing, and we do it willingly.
There is no Alexis or anything beyond my phone here..and most of all my location apps are off. I know it doesn’t matter much, but we can’t go entirely off the grid and function in society. I get that.
But I feel for you parents. Seriously.
There is no fucking way I would ever let any adult access to my kids bedrooms via video link for any reason at any time. No fucking way. Teachers not the least.

Call me old fashion.

I don’t have an Alexa or smart home anything at my house. But the camera on the front of you phone is there for a reason... and there is a reason it is so powerful. The phone is tracking your eye movements, facial reactions, touch, and app/web history. Don’t believe me? In the dark you can see the infrared light on the front of the camera turn on and off based on app use on most Apple devices.

In less than 10 years they are estimating single AI systems (large ones of course) could have the computational power of ALL human brains.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

No, it was a HUGE over reach. HUGE.

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Most CYA moves are. I never said I didn’t agree it was an overreaction.

 

[was thatguy]

I don’t have an Alexa or smart home anything at my house. But the camera on the front of you phone is there for a reason... and there is a reason it is so powerful. The phone is tracking your eye movements, facial reactions, touch, and app/web history. Don’t believe me? In the dark you can see the infrared light on the front of the camera turn on and off based on app use on most Apple devices.

In less than 10 years they are estimating single AI systems (large ones of course) could have the computational power of ALL human brains.

Preaching to the choir.
I’m a Snowden subscriber.
But I still wouldn’t willingly let an adult have video access to my kids room while agreeing to not be present.
Just sort of rubs me wrong...

This toy gun incident just solidifies my opinion in my mind.
I can’t stop all the spying, I’ll agree on that, but that doesn’t mean I’ll sign away everything willingly.

The intrusiveness will not recede, it will only expand.
Glad I’m not raising kids now.

For the record, when my step kids were in HIgh school the principle, VP, and all their teachers knew who I was. And I was not in a Lib County. Far from it.
They both finished out home schooled for other reasons besides just my “involvement” lol.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Most CYA moves are. I never said I didn’t agree it was an overreaction.

No, but you are justifying it and chalking it up to business as usual. I'd be FURIOUS if cops were called to my house cause my kid played with a toy someone didn't feel comfortable with yet was nothing wrong with the toy itself.

Not only should there be NO punishment to the child from the school (this is unchartered water for everybody including parents trying to figure out how to make this bullshit work), the teacher and SRO should publicly apologize to the kid for scaring the ever loving shit out of him for playing with his own toy.

But that's the problem. They won't. They will defend as if they are protecting the boy and his classmates and all. Yet every common sense loving person in this world knows there is really nothing wrong with what he did except get a little distracted during down time.

The schools rules ends at my property line (figure of speech since I live in an apartment at this time). From there, the law of the land and proper human decency and age appropriate behavior is all that is tolerated. Nobody dictates any further.

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