The zombie apocalypse is coming.

[Toolman]

This shit pisses me off! It’s getting worse by the day. LA transit system hasn’t got a clue on what they’re gonna do about it. Here in La Habra, we cannot leave anything outside overnight, especially a vehicle. We had to go to the city police department and get a no trespassing permit taken out on our property so that the police can remove them when they start to set up an encampment. On our street, a Zombie went up and down the properties and ripped out any small plants of multiple buildings and threw them into the street. And yes, I call them “zombies” because they are The Walking Dead. Get up close to one and you’ll see what I mean.

 

[HNL2LHC]

They just need to enforce the government no trespassing signs posted on fences lining the freeways. Happens in Hawaii too. Cut chains and fencing with homeless living in the areas. Something needs to be done this has gone on too long and is out of control!!!

 

[oldschool]

It’s already arrived here in Central California.

 

[CommanderLee]

I thought I was only one that called them Zombies! Its pretty sad when filling up my truck at 6 in the morning on my way work and your head has to be on a swivel in case one of them tries something. Around La Mirada and Whittier it has gotten pretty bad. The shit that happens around the shop in Whittier is crap you can't make up.

 

[brianwhiteboy]

Grab those rocks and bash that fucker’s head in. They should not walk among us.

 

[4Waters]

I probably would have gotten up and killed the mother fucker

 

[WYRD]

This shit pisses me off! It’s getting worse by the day. LA transit system hasn’t got a clue on what they’re gonna do about it. Here in La Habra, we cannot leave anything outside overnight, especially a vehicle. We had to go to the city police department and get a no trespassing permit taken out on our property so that the police can remove them when they start to set up an encampment. On our street, a Zombie went up and down the properties and ripped out any small plants of multiple buildings and threw them into the street. And yes, I call them “zombies” because they are The Walking Dead. Get up close to one and you’ll see what I mean.

100% feel the same way... we call them Zombies too. Had an encampment move into our vacant land behind us was a complete shitshow of process with the city and the police department to get them out but we finally did took about 4 months and I spent $5,000 to put up a fence just to keep the bastards out. They're still all around us though there's a city park less than a mile from our office and that looks like a damn KOA Campground

 

[dread Pirate]

Driving through Eureka the kids play Count The Zombies. It's almost more challenging to find a normal human walking or riding a bike..

 

[oldschool]

Seems like the undead have increased 1000% here in Visalia. My wife and I used to play a game called “exercise or transportation “ when we saw someone on a bike. All transportation now.

 

[oldschool]

If they only had homes everything would be fine.

 

[Waterjunky]

I refer to them as "cockroaches".

My wife is not impressed as our 8 yr old is now using the reference.

 

[SeanRitchie]

Here's a question about the photographer taking the video...

KCAL mentioned this morning that 911 had not been called about this situation until a few hours after this had been happening.

Can the videographer be held accountable for the motorcycle rider taking the fall?

The videographer clearly did nothing to stop the guy throwing rocks onto the freeway. I would say by him not doing anything to stop this, it could be said he was complicit in the crime. The videographer clearly saw what was happening and chose to record the event rather than call 911 and try to put a stop to it. A simple 911 call could have prevented this from happening.

If I'm the motorcycle rider, I'm shopping around for attorney's right now.

Unfortunately most attorneys would probably suggest not going after the videographer unless there was some money to go after. I can't imagine these types of free lance photogs have any real money to pay out in this type of case. I am sure there are some lawyers that will spin this and turn it into a case against the city/police to get a settlement.

(I will add that I absolutely hate the "ambulance chaser" lawyers and their predatory ways to make money off of other peoples suffering and bullshit cases. The real Saul Goodman's of the world.)

 

[PRIMO]

GuadaLahabra......

 

[LazyLavey]

Urban Dwellers

 

[JayBreww]

Here's a question about the photographer taking the video...

KCAL mentioned this morning that 911 had not been called about this situation until a few hours after this had been happening.

Can the videographer be held accountable for the motorcycle rider taking the fall?

The videographer clearly did nothing to stop the guy throwing rocks onto the freeway. I would say by him not doing anything to stop this, it could be said he was complicit in the crime. The videographer clearly saw what was happening and chose to record the event rather than call 911 and try to put a stop to it. A simple 911 call could have prevented this from happening.

If I'm the motorcycle rider, I'm shopping around for attorney's right now.

Unfortunately most attorneys would probably suggest not going after the videographer unless there was some money to go after. I can't imagine these types of free lance photogs have any real money to pay out in this type of case. I am sure there are some lawyers that will spin this and turn it into a case against the city/police to get a settlement.

(I will add that I absolutely hate the "ambulance chaser" lawyers and their predatory ways to make money off of other peoples suffering and bullshit cases. The real Saul Goodman's of the world.)

How long was he filming prior to the accident? I don’t think the cops would have shown up instantaneously after 911 was called.
Sucks it happened, at least now they have a good description of the suspect.

 

[drew_built]

The problem I’ve had calling 911 is dispatch now asks if the person you are reporting is a transient, if they assume it is, good luck getting a officer on the scene in a timely matter

 

[J&k beer can]

This happened to us back in end of april in San diego area..
Piece of crap homeless waste thew rock from hill on 52 fwy just past the 805fwy.
We reported it to CHP..

 

[oldschool]

Urban Dwellers

We call them urban campers.

 

[Gelcoater]

I refer to them as "cockroaches".

My wife is not impressed as our 8 yr old is now using the reference.

Tell the wife it could be worse?
At least you didn’t slip and call them cock-suckers....

 

[bonesfab]

Tell the wife it could be worse?
At least you didn’t slip and call them cock-suckers....

Or farkin cork suckers.

 

[Romans9]

.22 in the shin.

The Israeli’s know how to do it.

 

[bonesfab]

.22 in the shin.

The Israeli’s know how to do it.

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.556 to the skull would be better. Wounding them only makes us tax payers pay more. Just like the criminals. If they are dead, they don't cost more than enough natural gas to incinerate them. And that might be able to be done in bulk to save a few bucks.

 

[Romans9]

.556 to the skull would be better. Wounding them only makes us tax payers pay more. Just like the criminals. If they are dead, they don't cost more than enough natural gas to incinerate them. And that might be able to be done in bulk to save a few bucks.

I cannot disagree……..

 

[jet496]

I've been describing San Diego as the Walking Dead for a couple years now. When we get out of our car to go in a store they come walking out of the darkness, slow, covered with blankets, gravitating towards us as if they just sensed some movement. Then drive down the road & there's camps & them wondering, pandering everywhere.

We've had our work trucks broken into 8 times in the last year. Can't even claim insurance because it's not worth the raise in premiums. Cops say they can't do anything. We are the Walking Dead, Banana Republic, laughing stock of the world right now. Sad!

 

[whiteworks]

around our town they find a zombie every once in a while with his head bashed in, I suspect we have a local serial killer, but maybe it’s just a coincidence and that’s what happens amongst themselves now and then

 

[Racey]

Not very long ago society would have never tolerated this behavior, now everyone just brushes it off and goes about their own day....

I wonder why that is

 

[monkeyswrench]

Not very long ago society would have never tolerated this behavior, now everyone just brushes it off and goes about their own day....

I wonder why that is

Sad but true.
Maybe the society in question fears the ramifications associated with not tolerating the behavior? I don't think people are okay with it, but they fear harm from the homeless, and retribution by the legal system.

 

[Jefftowz]

It’s for sure the Zombie apocalypse, no consequences for their actions and nothing to lose, lawlessness takes over. We are past the point of no return…

 

[jetboatperformance]

When I was a kid my Mom called them "Hobos" or Bums and the mostly road the trains it seems , Society has let this expand and subsidized it I sure between begging and freebies provided by government some of these folks have found this a life style , There also used to be mental institutions for the crazy ones and alot I see should be there .

 

[RiverDave]

This shit pisses me off! It’s getting worse by the day. LA transit system hasn’t got a clue on what they’re gonna do about it. Here in La Habra, we cannot leave anything outside overnight, especially a vehicle. We had to go to the city police department and get a no trespassing permit taken out on our property so that the police can remove them when they start to set up an encampment. On our street, a Zombie went up and down the properties and ripped out any small plants of multiple buildings and threw them into the street. And yes, I call them “zombies” because they are The Walking Dead. Get up close to one and you’ll see what I mean.

WTF is a no trespassing "permit?"

either they are trespassing or they aren't?

RD

 

[NOTSOFAST]

The way the "permit" works is you, as a property owner have a written notice on file with the local PD the allows them to arrest a hobo or whoever for trespassing on your property without your permission. Otherwise, the PD has to contact you before that can arrest someone on your property for trespassing. It doesn't make a lot of sense because like you say, they're trespassing, should be cut and dried. But if your having a lot of trouble on your property, this makes life a lot easier on you, the property owner for getting them off the property. The permit or notice doesn't cost you anything, at least here in O.C. it doesn't.

 

[Racey]

Sad but true.
Maybe the society in question fears the ramifications associated with not tolerating the behavior? I don't think people are okay with it, but they fear harm from the homeless, and retribution by the legal system.

Demoralization that has led to complete apathy.

 

[941Punk]

But the weather...

 

[monkeyswrench]

But the weather...

It's not just California though. It's nationwide.

 

[BigMike]

It's not just California though. It's nationwide.

It might be nationwide but CA has the most by far.
“ California had 161,548 homeless people, which accounted for 28% of the nation's homeless population. California also had the highest rate of unsheltered people at 70.4% (113,660 were unsheltered). More than half of all unsheltered people in the country were in California (51%).”

Newsome also “spent” 24 billion dollars to “tackle” the homelessness but the percentage of homeless people has gone up.

 

[Cobalt232]

My daughter went to college at the University of San Francisco. The first time we took her up to the school to check it out, we took BART from Oakland airport over to the Market Street stop. The scene there freaked her out and she wanted to do a U-turn home. The school is in a good part of town though. She actually liked it up there and went to grad school there too until Covid. She became unfazed by the zombies and just learned to walk over them and to shoo them off her doorstep.

 

[RiverDave]

This shit pisses me off! It’s getting worse by the day. LA transit system hasn’t got a clue on what they’re gonna do about it. Here in La Habra, we cannot leave anything outside overnight, especially a vehicle. We had to go to the city police department and get a no trespassing permit taken out on our property so that the police can remove them when they start to set up an encampment. On our street, a Zombie went up and down the properties and ripped out any small plants of multiple buildings and threw them into the street. And yes, I call them “zombies” because they are The Walking Dead. Get up close to one and you’ll see what I mean.

On a side note we'd love to see what you have been working on in the machining section!! I miss your posts on that.

RD

 

[rivermobster]

Sad but true.
Maybe the society in question fears the ramifications associated with not tolerating the behavior? I don't think people are okay with it, but they fear harm from the homeless, and retribution by the legal system.

Bingo. The laws are not applied to the zombies, only to the people that can afford to Pay the fines and legal fees.

No money in it to police the zombies.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

A lot of folks here love President Ronald Reagan, but he may have played a significant role in our current homeless crisis when he pulled funding for mental health facilities first as Governor as California and later as President.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Health_Systems_Act_of_1980

In addition his administration played a roll in introducing significant drug trade into the United States and California

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair

IMHO I see the following types of chronic Homelessness with a large percentage being attributed to some form of mental health issues.

• Mental Heath issues
• Substance abuse issues (Mental Health)
• Lack of support network willing to continue supporting a deadbeat
• Homeless by choice (Hobos)
• Elderly people who made poor choices (see number 3)

I assume much of the homelessness is attributed to family members no longer willing to put up with the Bullshit and giving up on support. I have met a few people who are homeless by choice, I would argue they had some type of mild mental health issues. We all know what makes substance abusers homeless.

Solving this problem will take courage and it won't please many people, but as many have been taught; don't feed strays unless you want to be responsible for them.
If you are going to manage a homeless shelter, you must take responsibility for the people you are feeding. I see very little qualified leadership managing Homeless shelters. The brightest and best are not aspiring to this role. It is often times managed by the very people they serve in exchange for a warm bed and a hot meal.

My Grandfather did a lot of Homeless charity work in Hemet for the Catholic church as he tried to buy his way into Heaven. He was never able to connect the dots as to why the homeless population was growing so quickly and the cause and effect of his actions feeding them. I've no idea why so many cats are in my yard now, as he pours a 10 lbs bag of cat food into the bowls. (Metaphorically speaking of course)

To solve this problem we need a massive increase in investment in turning back on long shuttered mental health facilities (Insane asylums) Homeless need to be rounded up and placed into protective custody where they can get decent mental heath care, food, and shelter. many of these places are still boarded up. It will cost significant money to restore these places and find suitable qualified staff. many of these people are never going to be rehabilitated, but we can't leave them on the street being menaces to society. I'm sick of the rights of homeless people being considered above children and families who want to safely use a park.

I get it, these places were not good places, but is mismanagement an excuse to leave these people to the streets?

Judge me all you want, this is a topic I give a lot of thought trying to solve in my own head. I don't believe giving homeless people a house is the answer, they are primarily mentally ill in some way. Those rare occasions where someone experiences tragedy and blame they are homeless on that event do happen, but often times it is because they have alienated their family and friends long before. They have broken their support network. They have no place to go for a reason.

I'm also not ashamed to share that I have been homeless twice in my life. Two separate occasions both somewhat extended and I have turned out just fine. Three times if you count the two years Angie and I drove around in our RV exploring the western states.

Until we want to invest in getting mentally ill people off the street, this problem will continue. I would rather we spend money on this than on War Pigs.

 

[wallnutz]

A lot of folks here love President Ronald Reagan, but he may have played a significant role in our current homeless crisis when he pulled funding for mental health facilities first as Governor as California and later as President.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Health_Systems_Act_of_1980

In addition his administration played a roll in introducing significant drug trade into the United States and California

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair

IMHO I see the following types of chronic Homelessness with a large percentage being attributed to some form of mental health issues.

• Mental Heath issues
• Substance abuse issues (Mental Health)
• Lack of support network willing to continue supporting a deadbeat
• Homeless by choice (Hobos)
• Elderly people who made poor choices (see number 3)

I assume much of the homelessness is attributed to family members no longer willing to put up with the Bullshit and giving up on support. I have met a few people who are homeless by choice, I would argue they had some type of mild mental health issues. We all know what makes substance abusers homeless.

Solving this problem will take courage and it won't please many people, but as many have been taught; don't feed strays unless you want to be responsible for them.
If you are going to manage a homeless shelter, you must take responsibility for the people you are feeding. I see very little qualified leadership managing Homeless shelters. The brightest and best are not aspiring to this role. It is often times managed by the very people they serve in exchange for a warm bed and a hot meal.

My Grandfather did a lot of Homeless charity work in Hemet for the Catholic church as he tried to buy his way into Heaven. He was never able to connect the dots as to why the homeless population was growing so quickly and the cause and effect of his actions feeding them. I've no idea why so many cats are in my yard now, as he pours a 10 lbs bag of cat food into the bowls. (Metaphorically speaking of course)

To solve this problem we need a massive increase in investment in turning back on long shuttered mental health facilities (Insane asylums) Homeless need to be rounded up and placed into protective custody where they can get decent mental heath care, food, and shelter. many of these places are still boarded up. It will cost significant money to restore these places and find suitable qualified staff. many of these people are never going to be rehabilitated, but we can't leave them on the street being menaces to society. I'm sick of the rights of homeless people being considered above children and families who want to safely use a park.

I get it, these places were not good places, but is mismanagement an excuse to leave these people to the streets?

Judge me all you want, this is a topic I give a lot of thought trying to solve in my own head. I don't believe giving homeless people a house is the answer, they are primarily mentally ill in some way. Those rare occasions where someone experiences tragedy and blame they are homeless on that event do happen, but often times it is because they have alienated their family and friends long before. They have broken their support network. They have no place to go for a reason.

I'm also not ashamed to share that I have been homeless twice in my life. Two separate occasions both somewhat extended and I have turned out just fine. Three times if you count the two years Angie and I drove around in our RV exploring the western states.

Until we want to invest in getting mentally ill people off the street, this problem will continue. I would rather we spend money on this than on War Pigs.

80 billion to Ukraine, hmmm That would open up a few mental institutions

 

[bilz]

80 billion to Ukraine, hmmm That would open up a few mental institutions

Not to mention what the current powers have pilfered for friends and family.

 

[samsah33]

It might be nationwide but CA has the most by far.
“ California had 161,548 homeless people, which accounted for 28% of the nation's homeless population. California also had the highest rate of unsheltered people at 70.4% (113,660 were unsheltered). More than half of all unsheltered people in the country were in California (51%).”

Newsome also “spent” 24 billion dollars to “tackle” the homelessness but the percentage of homeless people has gone up.

Of course it goes up. If I have a pigeon problem, I don't throw more food at the birds and expect them to go away... Sadly tho, Newsome isn't just feeding the pigeons, he's also feeding CA's Homeless Industrial Complex.

 

[Romans9]

A lot of folks here love President Ronald Reagan, but he may have played a significant role in our current homeless crisis when he pulled funding for mental health facilities first as Governor as California and later as President.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Health_Systems_Act_of_1980

In addition his administration played a roll in introducing significant drug trade into the United States and California

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair

IMHO I see the following types of chronic Homelessness with a large percentage being attributed to some form of mental health issues.

• Mental Heath issues
• Substance abuse issues (Mental Health)
• Lack of support network willing to continue supporting a deadbeat
• Homeless by choice (Hobos)
• Elderly people who made poor choices (see number 3)

I assume much of the homelessness is attributed to family members no longer willing to put up with the Bullshit and giving up on support. I have met a few people who are homeless by choice, I would argue they had some type of mild mental health issues. We all know what makes substance abusers homeless.

Solving this problem will take courage and it won't please many people, but as many have been taught; don't feed strays unless you want to be responsible for them.
If you are going to manage a homeless shelter, you must take responsibility for the people you are feeding. I see very little qualified leadership managing Homeless shelters. The brightest and best are not aspiring to this role. It is often times managed by the very people they serve in exchange for a warm bed and a hot meal.

My Grandfather did a lot of Homeless charity work in Hemet for the Catholic church as he tried to buy his way into Heaven. He was never able to connect the dots as to why the homeless population was growing so quickly and the cause and effect of his actions feeding them. I've no idea why so many cats are in my yard now, as he pours a 10 lbs bag of cat food into the bowls. (Metaphorically speaking of course)

To solve this problem we need a massive increase in investment in turning back on long shuttered mental health facilities (Insane asylums) Homeless need to be rounded up and placed into protective custody where they can get decent mental heath care, food, and shelter. many of these places are still boarded up. It will cost significant money to restore these places and find suitable qualified staff. many of these people are never going to be rehabilitated, but we can't leave them on the street being menaces to society. I'm sick of the rights of homeless people being considered above children and families who want to safely use a park.

I get it, these places were not good places, but is mismanagement an excuse to leave these people to the streets?

Judge me all you want, this is a topic I give a lot of thought trying to solve in my own head. I don't believe giving homeless people a house is the answer, they are primarily mentally ill in some way. Those rare occasions where someone experiences tragedy and blame they are homeless on that event do happen, but often times it is because they have alienated their family and friends long before. They have broken their support network. They have no place to go for a reason.

I'm also not ashamed to share that I have been homeless twice in my life. Two separate occasions both somewhat extended and I have turned out just fine. Three times if you count the two years Angie and I drove around in our RV exploring the western states.

Until we want to invest in getting mentally ill people off the street, this problem will continue. I would rather we spend money on this than on War Pigs.

My wife and I had our foster care license for several years and we adopted a special needs child and raised him.
We also fostered another son.
I spent several years going into distressed homes and working with families in severe, immediate need.
I cannot stand to repeat some of the things I saw.

Your post is spot on.

My work was done around the Kansas City area.

I live in an extreme rural location now (same way I grew up) and I will never live in a high population concentrated area again.

We are turning a corner that I do not believe can be reversed due to the massive, almost incalculable amount of graft our elected politicians are engaged in.
Anyone who cannot see the current political state and the ruling class elites stranglehold on the levers of power are living in some kind of alternate reality.
The out right theft of a national election and the judicial persecution of anyone who threatens to disrupt the party is unthinkable to anyone who hasn’t been conditioned by the pop culture to accept it.
The commies are winning without ever firing a shot.

Good luck folks!
Enjoy the nice weather….

 

[FCT]

It's not just California though. It's nationwide.

Yeah at least we have the weather on our side

 

[Toolman]

I’ve also noticed that where I am at the zombies seem to feed off of the convenient stores and the fast food restaurants. They need those to get by. One of my local restaurants had to put electric door locks on their bathrooms, which by the way, made a significant improvement on the problem.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

You can always tell the zombie zones by the electronic locks on the bathrooms of fast food places.

Sometimes it helps, sometimes the bathrooms are still a disaster.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Of course it goes up. If I have a pigeon problem, I don't throw more food at the birds and expect them to go away... Sadly tho, Newsome isn't just feeding the pigeons, he's also feeding CA's Homeless Industrial Complex.

Homeless advocates are not incentivized to solve the homeless problem. They need it to continue getting funding. I saw an example of this first hand while working in the OHV Motorized recreational access lobby. When conservative leadership is in place it is almost impossible to maintain a healthy budget from donations. I hear some Gun manufactures had the same problem with sales.

NGOs are not going to solve anything, ever. They need the problem to grow. The unattractive by product of capitalism, is that no matter what, it is all about getting paid and making dat money.

 

[lenmann]

Homeless advocates are not incentivized to solve the homeless problem. They need it to continue getting funding. I saw an example of this first hand while working in the OHV Motorized recreational access lobby. When conservative leadership is in place it is almost impossible to maintain a healthy budget from donations. I hear some Gun manufactures had the same problem with sales.

NGOs are not going to solve anything, ever. They need the problem to grow. The unattractive by product of capitalism, is that no matter what, it is all about getting paid and making dat money.

So, only the government can solve this problem?

I agree 100% that many if not most of these individuals need to be institutionalized. Some permanently, some until they can get healthy and productive.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

So, only the government can solve this problem?

Good Question;

I "Think" yes.

• It would require a shift in regulations
• It would take law enforcement
• It would take the court system
• It would require oversight
• It would require fairly stable funding

The unanswered question for me becomes which government, Local, State or Federal? I tend to lack trust in Federal agencies, so I believe (Maybe incorrectly) that the State Level seems the best fit. I don't think local government e.g. Counties or Cities have enough muscle or funding to get the job done, I suspect they would face lawsuits they could not defend that would disrupt any efforts for Homeless policy reform.

I don't "Think" privatization of this type of activity could be effective.

I believe that at the local level in small rural areas, you might be able to get away with enforcement of vagrancy laws, but that would mostly just kick the can down the road and not address the root of the issue.

The court systems seems to be needed to give any resemblance of compassion or liberty to the conversation if we are going to take homeless people off the street and lock them into an institution. Privatization seems like a bad idea to me.

I would love to hear what others think and shoot holes in my ideas, just not my head.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Good Question;

I "Think" yes.

• It would require a shift in regulations
• It would take law enforcement
• It would take the court system
• It would require oversight
• It would require fairly stable funding

The unanswered question for me becomes which government, Local, State or Federal? I tend to lack trust in Federal agencies, so I believe (Maybe incorrectly) that the State Level seems the best fit. I don't think local government e.g. Counties or Cities have enough muscle or funding to get the job done, I suspect they would face lawsuits they could not defend that would disrupt any efforts for Homeless policy reform.

I don't "Think" privatization of this type of activity could be effective.

I believe that at the local level in small rural areas, you might be able to get away with enforcement of vagrancy laws, but that would mostly just kick the can down the road and not address the root of the issue.

The court systems seems to be needed to give any resemblance of compassion or liberty to the conversation if we are going to take homeless people off the street and lock them into an institution. Privatization seems like a bad idea to me.

I would love to hear what others think and shoot holes in my ideas, just not my head.

Holes in your idea or not, at least you and a few others are talking about the root of the problem. I've been privy to some of the challenges of mental health. It really seems to be a topic everyone admits exists, but no one speaks of. Many of these things I think could be helped long before LE is needed, and long before the burden is placed on business owners and citizens in general.

The problem is, people like me aren't smart enough to solve the problem. The people that may be smart enough don't have control of the situation. Those that do, profit from the situation.