The OCM saga has come to a close

[460]

An open handed bitch slap?

I'm just in shock Dave didn't snap an arm slapping said person.

 

[HavasuHank]

I'm just in shock Dave didn't snap an arm slapping said person.

Didnt he bust up his arm a number of years ago chasing someone?

[emoji1]

 

[Whitecaps]

Guys on a lift truck were pealing the OCM off the Windows this morning as we were headed to launch

finished by 3 pm

 

[Whitecaps]

fireworks going off on the island. Is it the jet ski final or someone is happy ocm is closed:champagne:

 

[beertruck]

looking for my 2006 Nordic Flame that Tim supposedly had there, anyone see, or know of it?
all black with fire, and demons. 525 mercs

I am also a victim, not sure if he sold the boat, or when, but I never got a cent from him

anyone remember seeing it there?





Don Bellis

beertruck

206 679 4472

 

[wsuwrhr]

fireworks going off on the island. Is it the jet ski final or someone is happy ocm is closed:champagne:

yes

 

[wsuwrhr]

looking for my 2006 Nordic Flame that Tim supposedly had there, anyone see, or know of it?
all black with fire, and demons. 525 mercs

I am also a victim, not sure if he sold the boat, or when, but I never got a cent from him

anyone remember seeing it there?


Don Bellis

beertruck

206 679 4472

You are a litte late to the party

 

[460]

Didnt he bust up his arm a number of years ago chasing someone?

[emoji1]

That or he lifted his car keys. [emoji1][emoji1]

 

[zhandfull]

looking for my 2006 Nordic Flame that Tim supposedly had there, anyone see, or know of it?
all black with fire, and demons. 525 mercs

I am also a victim, not sure if he sold the boat, or when, but I never got a cent from him

anyone remember seeing it there?

View attachment 441513



Don Bellis

beertruck

206 679 4472

Dang that boat really stands out! Hope someone here has some helpful information.
I'm thinking this may be the end for OCM but just the beginnings to a lot of their unpaid obligations.

 

[spotondl]

looking for my 2006 Nordic Flame that Tim supposedly had there, anyone see, or know of it?
all black with fire, and demons. 525 mercs

I am also a victim, not sure if he sold the boat, or when, but I never got a cent from him

anyone remember seeing it there?

View attachment 441513



Don Bellis

beertruck

206 679 4472

Documented vessel?

Opens a different can of worms for Tim & OCM.

 

[beertruck]

yes, I have the title, and current coast guard documentation

beertruck

 

[H20-ski]

Cops won't do anything. You entered into an agreement for someone to sell your boat. Someone else bought on good faith.. Even though it's stolen.. It isn't technically stolen according to az law enforcement.

:thumbup::rolleyes

 

[H20-ski]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stolen :thumbsdown

 

[Tank]

The only publicity this situation received was on the boards. Then the local paper. If you aren't a board member or receive the havasu newspaper how would they know? All they know is what lie Tim fed them.

Tanks buddy is prime example of an unassuming customer who has better things to do than stay up to speed on Internet forums.

This is exactly the case. I'd call and text him. He'd get nervous and call tim. Tim would answer his calls right away and blow sunshine up his ass.

 

[spotondl]

yes, I have the title, and current coast guard documentation

beertruck

Several 3 letter agencies would have an interest in this at this point.

 

[GRADS]

looking for my 2006 Nordic Flame that Tim supposedly had there, anyone see, or know of it?
all black with fire, and demons. 525 mercs

I am also a victim, not sure if he sold the boat, or when, but I never got a cent from him

anyone remember seeing it there?

View attachment 441513



Don Bellis

beertruck

206 679 4472

Is that a wrap? If it is maybe post a picture without it
in case someone peeled it off.

 

[GRADS]

Like the first slap, or the second slap?

[video=youtube_https;xlRQuzUIsPQ]https://youtu.be/xlRQuzUIsPQ[/video]

I'm guessing it was more like this....

[video=youtube;93B072j-E3I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93B072j-E3I[/video]

Just kidding RD.

 

[Tank]

My buddy has pinks in hand FYI. No paperwork was ever handed to Tim
Just a sales agreement for him to sell boats and when it happens my buddy would show up with the pinks.

My buddy really isn't actually sweating it that hard. He'll just report that shit stolen and call it a day.

It may be civil between him and Tim but he holds the pinks. Reports it stolen and tim a suspect. Let the insurance figure it out. Boats will be recovered. The person that's going to get bent over is the one that "bought" the boat from Tim. Out the cash they paid for the boat. No paperwork in hand or at best false paperwork. Even if Tim made a false pink or paperwork for the boats for the buyer. Boats still owned by the original owner in the laws eyes. Civil between boat purchaser and Tim among fraud and other criminal statutes against Tim. But the boat will go back to the owner.

 

[beertruck]

not a wrap. custom painted inside and out by Mike Lavallee of killerpaint

 

[Tank]

not a wrap. custom painted inside and out by Mike Lavallee of killerpaint

I remember when you first got that boat. You're up in Oregon too no? Get burned while Tim was up there?

 

[GRADS]

My buddy has pinks in hand FYI. No paperwork was ever handed to Tim
Just a sales agreement for him to sell boats and when it happens my buddy would show up with the pinks.

My buddy really isn't actually sweating it that hard. He'll just report that shit stolen and call it a day.

It may be civil between him and Tim but he holds the pinks. Reports it stolen and tim a suspect. Let the insurance figure it out. Boats will be recovered. The person that's going to get bent over is the one that "bought" the boat from Tim. Out the cash they paid for the boat. No paperwork in hand or at best false paperwork. Even if Tim made a false pink or paperwork for the boats for the buyer. Boats still owned by the original owner in the laws eyes. Civil between boat purchaser and Tim among fraud and other criminal statutes against Tim. But the boat will go back to the owner.

Pinks or not....the old saying stands true that possession is 9/10 of the law.

 

[DaBank]

My buddy has pinks in hand FYI. No paperwork was ever handed to Tim
Just a sales agreement for him to sell boats and when it happens my buddy would show up with the pinks.

My buddy really isn't actually sweating it that hard. He'll just report that shit stolen and call it a day.

It may be civil between him and Tim but he holds the pinks. Reports it stolen and tim a suspect. Let the insurance figure it out. Boats will be recovered. The person that's going to get bent over is the one that "bought" the boat from Tim. Out the cash they paid for the boat. No paperwork in hand or at best false paperwork. Even if Tim made a false pink or paperwork for the boats for the buyer. Boats still owned by the original owner in the laws eyes. Civil between boat purchaser and Tim among fraud and other criminal statutes against Tim. But the boat will go back to the owner.

What sucks is in the eyes of the law it is civil and DMV will protect the retail buyer. Your friends insurance company will go after Tims bond but that is first come first served and that money is long done. The DMV will then do a criminal case against Tim. Tim will owe your friend the money and your friend will have a nice Judgement that I am sure he will never see a cent of because Tim will never have a asset in HIS name again.I am sure the next thing that will come to light is what ever boats that time helped retail buyers get a loan for ..........will turn out that he got there boats doubled and tripled financed threw different banks and Tim got funded multiple times on the same sale.

 

[spectras only]

Is that a wrap? If it is maybe post a picture without it
in case someone peeled it off.

It is painted by Mike Lavallee, $$$. https://www.killerpaint.com/

Can't believe Don trusted OCM to sell his boat, probably knowing the history of Oregon Custom Marine!

Da boat in better times

 

[DRYHEAT]

FWIW when I was down there Friday afternoon picking up my boat from quality marine service there was still six boats in the show room only one I really noticed was it twin-engine what I believe to be a 22 DCB on the end sorry I can't be more help.

 

[LuauLounge]

My buddy has pinks in hand FYI. No paperwork was ever handed to Tim
Just a sales agreement for him to sell boats and when it happens my buddy would show up with the pinks.

My buddy really isn't actually sweating it that hard. He'll just report that shit stolen and call it a day.

It may be civil between him and Tim but he holds the pinks. Reports it stolen and tim a suspect. Let the insurance figure it out. Boats will be recovered. The person that's going to get bent over is the one that "bought" the boat from Tim. Out the cash they paid for the boat. No paperwork in hand or at best false paperwork. Even if Tim made a false pink or paperwork for the boats for the buyer. Boats still owned by the original owner in the laws eyes. Civil between boat purchaser and Tim among fraud and other criminal statutes against Tim. But the boat will go back to the owner.

And who will be representing your buddy in sorting this out?

 

[RiverDave]

I didn't even bother reading the thread... it's friday night.. According to my guys he's drinking beers down at Flying X if you want to go deal with it..

I'm going to bed. This isn't my fight or my problem.


RD

 

[RiverDave]

looking for my 2006 Nordic Flame that Tim supposedly had there, anyone see, or know of it?
all black with fire, and demons. 525 mercs

I am also a victim, not sure if he sold the boat, or when, but I never got a cent from him

anyone remember seeing it there?

View attachment 441513



Don Bellis

beertruck

206 679 4472

yes, I have the title, and current coast guard documentation

beertruck

Been down there a bunch and I have never seen that boat.

I'm guessing it was more like this....

[video=youtube;93B072j-E3I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93B072j-E3I[/video]

Just kidding RD.

Well I'll give you a try if you ever want to find out. I've been close a couple times.

My buddy has pinks in hand FYI. No paperwork was ever handed to Tim
Just a sales agreement for him to sell boats and when it happens my buddy would show up with the pinks.

My buddy really isn't actually sweating it that hard. He'll just report that shit stolen and call it a day.

It may be civil between him and Tim but he holds the pinks. Reports it stolen and tim a suspect. Let the insurance figure it out. Boats will be recovered. The person that's going to get bent over is the one that "bought" the boat from Tim. Out the cash they paid for the boat. No paperwork in hand or at best false paperwork. Even if Tim made a false pink or paperwork for the boats for the buyer. Boats still owned by the original owner in the laws eyes. Civil between boat purchaser and Tim among fraud and other criminal statutes against Tim. But the boat will go back to the owner.

Yeah insurace isn't going to cover that when it all shakes outl.. I thought the same shit until I talked to the cops first hand.. While it's stolen, it isn't stolen. Read the fine print and then he will say "Holy shit."

RD

 

[wsuwrhr]

I didn't even bother reading the thread... it's friday night.. According to my guys he's drinking beers down at Flying X if you want to go deal with it..

I'm going to bed. This isn't my fight or my problem.


RD

Ahhh, I believe it was Saturday night last night. Just sayin.

 

[beertruck]

thank you River Dave

I have not physically seen the boat in person for about two years when it was at his shop in Oregon. Last picture Tim sent of the boat was 5/31/14, and it was suppose to be at the shop in Havasu. I have about 100 texts, and many phone calls over the time he had the boat checking on it, and supposedly almost sold 4-5 time. Each time it dragged out for months, and eventually went no where. Told him i was picking the boat up last May, and he told me he had a buyer, and it was as good as sold, so I believed him again. Now I'm not sure it wasn't gone prior to this??

Per Tim he delivered the boat 4 weeks ago to a buyer, the check cleared from the buyer, and he was wiring me money. Never happened.

I do not know what has happened to the boat, if it ever sold during the two plus year he had possession, and he will not give me any detail of the sales, to confirm it did sell.

With no proof of a sale, no boat to return, and no money if it did sell, then to me it is stolen.

I know I am limited to relying on the police, federal government, ( documented boat) and the courts to work this out.

My goal with posting on here is to see if anyone can confirm the boat was at his shop in Havasu, and when it was last seen there.

Thanks Again

Beertruck

 

[Outdrive1]

thank you River Dave

I have not physically seen the boat in person for about two years when it was at his shop in Oregon. Last picture Tim sent of the boat was 5/31/14, and it was suppose to be at the shop in Havasu. I have about 100 texts, and many phone calls over the time he had the boat checking on it, and supposedly almost sold 4-5 time. Each time it dragged out for months, and eventually went no where. Told him i was picking the boat up last May, and he told me he had a buyer, and it was as good as sold, so I believed him again. Now I'm not sure it wasn't gone prior to this??

Per Tim he delivered the boat 4 weeks ago to a buyer, the check cleared from the buyer, and he was wiring me money. Never happened.

I do not know what has happened to the boat, if it ever sold during the two plus year he had possession, and he will not give me any detail of the sales, to confirm it did sell.

With no proof of a sale, no boat to return, and no money if it did sell, then to me it is stolen.

I know I am limited to relying on the police, federal government, ( documented boat) and the courts to work this out.

My goal with posting on here is to see if anyone can confirm the boat was at his shop in Havasu, and when it was last seen there.

Thanks Again

Beertruck

I saw your boat in Havasu at some point over the last year. Not at Tims shop but being towed around. I remembered it because of the magazine write up on it years ago. Hope you find it.

 

[cxr]

what happens to the boats from people who don't know about this debacle and their boats get left on the lot when he rides out of town?


I'm not saying I'm the type of person that does this, but if I rode into town rught now with 30-50K cash and made a deal for a boat your saying their is no repercussions and that boat would be mine?

 

[RiverDave]

what happens to the boats from people who don't know about this debacle and their boats get left on the lot when he rides out of town?


I'm not saying I'm the type of person that does this, but if I rode into town rught now with 30-50K cash and made a deal for a boat your saying their is no repercussions and that boat would be mine?

If Tim was still involved that could happen.

The guys at quality marine aren't releasing anything unless you are he registeredl owner. They are going way out of their way for people on this deal.

 

[spectracular]

Documented vessel?

Opens a different can of worms for Tim & OCM.

How so? What changes because it is federal vs state?

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

thank you River Dave

I have not physically seen the boat in person for about two years when it was at his shop in Oregon. Last picture Tim sent of the boat was 5/31/14, and it was suppose to be at the shop in Havasu. I have about 100 texts, and many phone calls over the time he had the boat checking on it, and supposedly almost sold 4-5 time. Each time it dragged out for months, and eventually went no where. Told him i was picking the boat up last May, and he told me he had a buyer, and it was as good as sold, so I believed him again. Now I'm not sure it wasn't gone prior to this??

Per Tim he delivered the boat 4 weeks ago to a buyer, the check cleared from the buyer, and he was wiring me money. Never happened.

I do not know what has happened to the boat, if it ever sold during the two plus year he had possession, and he will not give me any detail of the sales, to confirm it did sell.

With no proof of a sale, no boat to return, and no money if it did sell, then to me it is stolen.

I know I am limited to relying on the police, federal government, ( documented boat) and the courts to work this out.

My goal with posting on here is to see if anyone can confirm the boat was at his shop in Havasu, and when it was last seen there.

Thanks Again

Beertruck

A very similar situation occurred to us with a motorhome sale, $205,000, dealer never paid off our loan, re sold it, etc., saga went on for about a year. FBI seized dealers assets and seized the motorhome from the new owner. We lucked out, Foremost insurance has a theft by fraud clause and paid us off, replacement value, we actually made money on the deal.

 

[beertruck]

not sure how much a difference it makes in this situation, but this is from the coast guard documentation web site

If stolen, a documented vessel falls under federal jurisdiction for recovery and prosecution, rather than state or local.

 

[Singleton]

How so? What changes because it is federal vs state?

U.S. coast guard documented boats have an entirely different set of rules during a transfer (sale). If Tim did sell this boat, with fake documents then he just broke a few federal laws.

 

[Willie B]

...Certainly none of this is a laughing matter but I can't help it,... I'm still laughing about the bitch slap...

 

[pronstar]

not sure how much a difference it makes in this situation, but this is from the coast guard documentation web site

If stolen, a documented vessel falls under federal jurisdiction for recovery and prosecution, rather than state or local.

I think the next question is...would the Feds devote any resources toward investigating this whole debacle?

 

[LBLL]

Tim was cutting a rug last night at the X. Sure didn't look like a man getting ready leave town. There were so many people pointing at him and taking photos.

 

[Ziggy]

Not quite a diamond but ruby's are pretty too.......For the single guys.[emoji4]

 

[Ziggy]

Not quite a diamond but ruby's are pretty too.......For the single guys.[emoji4]

Without joking though, its Tim and Rubys child that could really be affected by all this.[emoji35] Certainly not fair to him.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

Tim was cutting a rug last night at the X. Sure didn't look like a man getting ready leave town. There were so many people pointing at him and taking photos.

Guy sure has some balls going out like that.

 

[BHC Vic]

Guy sure has some balls going out like that.

Maybe he's hoping somebody hits him.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

Maybe he's hoping somebody hits him.

Your probably right......lol.

 

[Ziggy]

Maybe he's hoping somebody hits him.

That's funny. [emoji1]

 

[yz450mm]

Guy sure has some balls going out like that.

I don't think he has any balls. I think he has convinced himself that he has done no wrong, and that all the BS that comes out of his mouth is true. I bet that if he can even look in the mirror at himself, he sees an innocent person and probably feels sorry for himself.

I knew a pathological liar once... It was really infuriating at first, then I just felt sorry for the guy. He really did believe his own bs.

Somebody with some internet skills needs to track this douche to wherever he moves, and make those people aware of his past history.

 

[Willie B]

... People like that don't care what people think of them or what people say about them whether it's bad or good,...they just want to be the center of attention...

 

[OCMerrill]

How so? What changes because it is federal vs state?

A Documented Vessel has a Certificate of Documentation. We keep a copy of this on board at all times.

Upon a sale, You fill out the back and sign it same as a State Pink slip. There is also a [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Satisfaction of Mortgage.that also needs to be filled out if a lien holder is involved. This all gets sent to the Coast Guard.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So if someone was to send false documents to the Coast Guard.....That is definitely a Federal crime and your dealing with the Federal Boating Police dept if you will.

[/FONT]That said registering a vessel's HIN that has always been a Documented Vessel....I wonder if that deal is pretty easy if the Federal System is not directly comparable or compatible with that states DMV. I still think it would all eventually come to light.

 

[Stainless]

Not quite a diamond but ruby's are pretty too.......For the single guys.[emoji4]

Who's got a picture of Ruby?

 

[Whitecaps]

thank you River Dave

I have not physically seen the boat in person for about two years when it was at his shop in Oregon. Last picture Tim sent of the boat was 5/31/14, and it was suppose to be at the shop in Havasu. I have about 100 texts, and many phone calls over the time he had the boat checking on it, and supposedly almost sold 4-5 time. Each time it dragged out for months, and eventually went no where. Told him i was picking the boat up last May, and he told me he had a buyer, and it was as good as sold, so I believed him again. Now I'm not sure it wasn't gone prior to this??

Per Tim he delivered the boat 4 weeks ago to a buyer, the check cleared from the buyer, and he was wiring me money. Never happened.

I do not know what has happened to the boat, if it ever sold during the two plus year he had possession, and he will not give me any detail of the sales, to confirm it did sell.

With no proof of a sale, no boat to return, and no money if it did sell, then to me it is stolen.

I know I am limited to relying on the police, federal government, ( documented boat) and the courts to work this out.

My goal with posting on here is to see if anyone can confirm the boat was at his shop in Havasu, and when it was last seen there.

Thanks Again

Beertruck

I have never seen the boat.