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From what I am told, the union big dog of a massive Operating Engineers is a billionaire. Big, big money.
This statement needs far more context.

1. Are you saying the Owner of a large Crane company, who is signatory to the Operating Engineers for his source of employees, is a billionaire?

Or

2. Are you saying that one of the Operating Engineers head honcho's is a billionarie?
 

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This statement needs far more context.

1. Are you saying the Owner of a large Crane company, who is signatory to the Operating Engineers for his source of employees, is a billionaire?

Or

2. Are you saying that one of the Operating Engineers head honcho's is a billionarie?
#2
 

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"Indispensable"!! If there was a group that was "Indispensable" it was the Air Traffic Controllers and President Reagan, proved that there is No Such Thing, as "Indispensable"


It is all about "Attitude" and how you decide to have one.
 

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Not when you are outperforming everyone around you.

But if everyone is outperforming, you, sure, hide behind the collective and reap the rewards.
If only that were true. I only need to look at what the companies do to the managers to see how I would fare on my own. I see excellent managers get "meets expectations" as opposed to exceeds all the time. Not because they aren't exceeding what is expected of someone in their position, but... you know what, I'll leave it at that. I know if my compensation package were performance based, I'd do better than most around me. But I also know that if there weren't a union, I wouldn't be getting what I get. Yes, it sucks seeing those that are horrible and DGAF about their performance get the same as me, but I do enjoy what has been negotiated for me.
 

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I sell to both union and non union outfits. From what I am told, the union big dog of a massive Operating Engineers is a billionaire. Big, big money.
I’ve watched Pete Rodriguez one of our big dogs climb the ranks. From apprentice to western district vp He’s gotta be 500k a year or around there somewhere. Our director is over 200k. Like i said it’s not as black and white and I haven’t settled yet
 

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I sell to both union and non union outfits. From what I am told, the union big dog of a massive Operating Engineers is a billionaire. Big, big money.
When we sold our business (non-union, by the way….though they tried to organize once, and were voted down), the rumor among the employees was that we had sold for 3x the actual (I wish!). Rumors aren’t worth repeating.
 

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When we sold our business (non-union, by the way….though they tried to organize once, and were voted down), the rumor among the employees was that we had sold for 3x the actual (I wish!). Rumors aren’t worth repeating.
I think UBC President Doug does pretty good. I don’t think billionaire though
 

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Harold Daggett, the ILA boss who pledged to "cripple" the United States, owns a 76-foot yacht, a Bentley, and gets paid over $900,000.

He was acquitted on RICO charges after the main witness against him, mobster Lawrence Ricci, was found decomposing in a car trunk in New Jersey.


 

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Harold Daggett, the ILA boss who pledged to "cripple" the United States, owns a 76-foot yacht, a Bentley, and gets paid over $900,000.

He was acquitted on RICO charges after the main witness against him, mobster Lawrence Ricci, was found decomposing in a car trunk in New Jersey.


What an upstanding citizen lol
 

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If only that were true. I only need to look at what the companies do to the managers to see how I would fare on my own. I see excellent managers get "meets expectations" as opposed to exceeds all the time. Not because they aren't exceeding what is expected of someone in their position, but... you know what, I'll leave it at that. I know if my compensation package were performance based, I'd do better than most around me. But I also know that if there weren't a union, I wouldn't be getting what I get. Yes, it sucks seeing those that are horrible and DGAF about their performance get the same as me, but I do enjoy what has been negotiated for me.

It is totally true. It is about owning your personal brand, managing your manager, and showcasing your performance and accomplishments to the right people.

There is always someone that will pay you more to do a similar job. You have less options with a union typically.
 

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Same reason you'd pay a lawyer to argue for you in court. Just because someone is good at what they do doesn't make them a good negotiator/advocator. Or, same reason you have group health insurance rather than try to negotiate your medical costs on your own. There's plenty of times in life you want someone doing the talking for you.
Yes I would need a professional to argue I need $100hr to move containers because it’s difficult. I’m not that good at bullshitng.

I will tell you right now offer those jobs to the average Joe and the port will be up and running by tomorrow morning. It’s not rocket science.
 
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I have not dealt with the Union assholes at the ports since the early 80's

They were usually dicks and much like the mafia then. The "checker" was paid by the trucker to count the boxes you load into your truck while he sits on his ass, only getting up to knife open a box and take what he wants home. But would gladly sign a "damaged box" form for his troubles.

An old girlfriend married an underpaid ILWU guy, now lives in Palos Verdes and golfs at Trump's club.

Sadly, they will most likely get their demands met.... as usual.

Just wait for the next west coast strike if you think these demands are ridiculous!
 
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Yes I would need a professional to argue I need $100hr to move containers because it’s difficult. I’m not that good at bullshitng.

I will tell you right now offer those jobs to the average Joe and the fossil be up and running by tomorrow morning. It’s not rocket science.
What's to stop the Port's from doing just that? Lock-Out the LSA and fill every slot with AJ's? Upper management? Consultants? Non-Union Sub-Contractors?

Or an enterprising union could get real Froggy and jump right into the middle just like the Carpenter's did back in the day in SoCal, swoop on down wade right in, claim jurisdiction and steal all they could get. The Roaring 80's.
BSS. Before Steel Studs.
 
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Talk to my bud that’s a longshoreman at the port of Los Angeles this morning. He says if the East Coast ships are diverted to the West Coast they will walk honoring the strike
I wonder if the Port Hueneme guys will as well. That's where most of my cranes get loaded out
 

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"Trump Hater", Larry Hogan has the Union's Endorsement and does not agree with the "Taft Hartley Act" use. BUT!!! Larry is All About "LARRY":(
 

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Anyone silly enough not to think this was a political ploy to make Cameltoe look good right before the election? The unions have a lot of pull and power enough to make this happen.

The union blames inflation for their wage demands. How's that help Harris?
 

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Anyone silly enough not to think this was a political ploy to make Cameltoe look good right before the election? The unions have a lot of pull and power enough to make this happen.
I think the union knows that the Dems are between a rock and a hard place on this, and will do anything to get the port/union to settle.
 

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Man this feels like a damn nightmare, high inflation, strikes, sending billions to other countries, not giving a chit about this country. Just makes me sick.
It will be a nightmare for the next 4 years. I dont see Trump righting the ship, he’ll continue to alienate voters because he can’t learn he needs them.
 

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So these union big wigs don't do the job as a service to the rights the working man?

What is the product these guys deliver to the union members?
 

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How many people have had a chance to turn down a 50% pay increase guaranteed over 6 years?

This is f****** criminal.
It's not about the money. They want to limit automation at the port. If they don't the union loses everything.
 

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It will be a nightmare for the next 4 years. I dont see Trump righting the ship, he’ll continue to alienate voters because he can’t learn he needs them.
Hopefully the next 4 starts the ball rolling back in our favor and we can get 8 after that. But maybe a level head like Vance seems to be, will learn business over politics but can unite🤷‍♂️
I’m a pretty straight forward. I’ll say what I need to, but sometimes I stop short in the moment and pick another time or situation to make my point.
 

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That is why unions stick together because they are not doing extremely difficult tasks from an intelligence stand point. It’s more labor based. They know they could be replaced by someone willing to do the job for less. If it wasn’t for unions allot of these guys wouldn’t be able to keep a job.
As a High Voltage Lineman for 40 years I'll argue that.
 

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Wasn't djunkie a longshoreman? I wonder how he is doing?
I don't think he has the blue Duramax anymore. I used to see him driving all the time. He lives a block from my Mom and a few blocks from me. Unless he moved.

He works with a lot of my friends. Casuals are not getting that many hours lately. But the rest doing good. Port is crazy these days. Just looking from the 110 as you pass by it has grown insane amounts. Going over the Vincent Thomas to the bars in Long Beach it's crazy how many cranes there are now and containers as far as you can see stacked.
 

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Some people are great craftsmen, but suck at negotiating compensation. For those people, the Union is worth its fees. 😮
 

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Most all ocean freight shipping companies don’t blink an eye to wages or wage increases. They make a killing every year. Especially during covid. They hiked the cost of container shipment from about $4k to over $20k in less than 12 months. However, the shipping industry would love nothing more than to automate every aspect of our ports.
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