Speed cars hit the assembly Line

[Lunatic Fringe]

It’s a completely different car than what he originally started to build. Then He decided to make his own power plant instead of using something that already existed. Then he decided to add a three speed sequential transmission instead of just a normal high low.

He was pretty transparent in each of these steps that it’s a whole different program and far superior to what he started with.

Honestly I am surprised they are at the point that they are at already. Any of those changes are monumental undertakings.

They are in the final Stages and the major hurdles have already been accomplished (in my opinion). Now they for sure have more hurdles, but dialing in a production line is far easier than creating an engine from scratch.

RD

But none of that has any bearing on your comment I quoted and my response.

Had they not taken money from buyers, they could have taken all the time they wanted in whatever level of secrecy they chose.

My point is to not give them credit for something they really had no choice in.

 

[RiverDave]

Especially when they have 100 test cars driving around testing before they start mass production.

I think what some people are doing in this thread are reading LOF’s posts and then arguing with LOF.. but getting their information from LOF and that’s it..


It has been said a couple times in this thread that he is hiding things or not being transparent enough.

Pretty much all of this has been shouted from the rooftops since day 1.

They have missed some delivery dates for sure.. but they improved the platform, engine, transmission, doors, at each step of the way.

I am happy with the improvements, I believe we are in the final stretch.. I had hoped to have my car this weekend, I don’t.. I’m not terribly upset about it, it will come when it comes.

I will say I am considering changing up my plan from my original plan at this point. I was going to sell the first and keep the second..

I might sell the second spot and keep the first car at this point depending on timing.

RD

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It’s a completely different car than what he originally started to build. Then He decided to make his own power plant instead of using something that already existed. Then he decided to add a three speed sequential transmission instead of just a normal high low.

He was pretty transparent in each of these steps that it’s a whole different program and far superior to what he started with.

Honestly I am surprised they are at the point that they are at already. Any of those changes are monumental undertakings.

They are in the final Stages and the major hurdles have already been accomplished (in my opinion). Now they for sure have more hurdles, but dialing in a production line is far easier than creating an engine from scratch.

RD

Sounds just like the opinions I have put forward as facts countless times.

 

[RiverDave]

But none of that has any bearing on your comment I quoted and my response.

Had they not taken money from buyers, they could have taken all the time they wanted in whatever level of secrecy they chose.

My point is to not give them credit for something they really had no choice in.

I’m not sure I follow but I don’t care to argue it. I don’t see the big deal in taking a deposit?

 

[RiverDave]

Sounds just like the opinions I have put forward as facts countless times.

But in a less confrontational fashion. Your problem isn’t the position it’s the delivery and you relish in it..

Why ya want to go out of your way to be the most hated guy on here is baffling to me.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I’m not sure I follow but I don’t care to argue it. I don’t see the big deal in taking a deposit?

I don't mean to be argumentative but the comments that they were too transparent were all I was referring to.

The need to be "too transparent" was driven by their decisions to take non-refundable money up front.
Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Mr. C]

I think what some people are doing in this thread are reading LOF’s posts and then arguing with LOF.. but getting their information from LOF and that’s it..


It has been said a couple times in this thread that he is hiding things or not being transparent enough.

Pretty much all of this has been shouted from the rooftops since day 1.

They have missed some delivery dates for sure.. but they improved the platform, engine, transmission, doors, at each step of the way.

I am happy with the improvements, I believe we are in the final stretch.. I had hoped to have my car this weekend, I don’t.. I’m not terribly upset about it, it will come when it comes.

I will say I am considering changing up my plan from my original plan at this point. I was going to sell the first and keep the second..

I might sell the second spot and keep the first car at this point depending on timing.

RD

Again I start with no / zero dog in this fight.
But it sounds like you were promised a car on a certain date. And that passed months ago? And you’re okay with that. Your choice. I hope you’re happy with what up you end getting. When you get is still TBD.
FYI. Happy thanksgiving

 

[RiverDave]

I don't mean to be argumentative but the comments that they were too transparent were all I was referring to.

The need to be "too transparent" was driven by their decisions to take non-refundable money up front.
Nothing more, nothing less.

I’m not sure I agree with the non refundable part. I don’t believe the company has refunded anyone’s money.. but the company itself will
Sell your spot at zero markup within a day and transfer it to a new owner.

Everyone else if they decided to move on actually made money on the endeavor?

So where’s the victim here?

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I’m not sure I agree with the non refundable part. I don’t believe the company has refunded anyone’s money.. but the company itself will
Sell your spot at zero markup within a day and transfer it to a new owner.

Everyone else if they decided to move on actually made money on the endeavor?

So where’s the victim here?

Again, I'm not pointing at failings or victimization.

Because you can sell a spot to another retail buyer doesn't make the deposit refundable.
It makes it sellable.

You said one of their problems was being "too transparent" and I simply stated that was by necessity, not by altruism.

 

[Canuck 1]

I haven’t even showered yet.. lol. Might be worth it though

It's only noon Dave, no point in rushing

 

[RiverDave]

Again I start with no / zero dog in this fight.
But it sounds like you were promised a car on a certain date. And that passed months ago? And you’re okay with that. Your choice. I hope you’re happy with up you end getting. When you get is still TBD.
FYI. Happy thanksgiving

I was promised a “certain Car” around a “certain date.”

The car has improved I think eight times to a new “certain” car on an “around certain date”.

The latest date I have been told after that oil line mess was around Christmas.

I was told that they may release 20 or so cars and let them run around for 30 days and see if there’s anything they missed. While it pushes me out further it does make sense from a business perspective. It’s one thing to fix 20 cars.. it’s another to send a ton of them out in the market and have to fix all of them.

Had that oil line failed on 500 cars they’d be replacing 500 engines / potential fires / injuries etc.. one really small change made in production would have screwed the whole pooch on the company.

I’d be gun shy about releasing them as well. They want to make damn sure they not only live up
To the hype but don’t fail over something minor..

RD

 

[RiverDave]

Again, I'm not pointing at failings or victimization.

Because you can sell a spot to another retail buyer doesn't make the deposit refundable.
It makes it sellable.

You said one of their problems was being "too transparent" and I simply stated that was by necessity, not by altruism.

Honestly the line of people buying these things they could have just said “we will take your money and let you know when it’s ready”. I’d suspect for a 1500.00 investment they would have sold similar numbers.

It wasn’t that much money to layout to potentially get something ahead of the game..

 

[RiverDave]

Surprised that nobody is talking about at least two cars with the exact same 3 pre production number..

That’s the biggest news of the day because now we have no idea how many of them are actually in the wild but we can say for sure it’s more than we thought at least by one

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

But in a less confrontational fashion. Your problem isn’t the position it’s the delivery and you relish in it..

Why ya want to go out of your way to be the most hated guy on here is baffling to me.

Dave, I’ve said what you are saying and have done what you are doing today in the same words with the same delivery 10 times at least. I’m cordial with people who are cordial with me. The evidence is right here in the thread.

Who else arguing with me has produced any factual information ever? Most even freely admit they don’t even watch the updates.

Why someone would hate someone they have never met, that has done nothing to them and that they can easily ignore and avoid is even more baffling.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Surprised that nobody is talking about at least two cars with the exact same 3 pre production number..

That’s the biggest news of the day because now we have no idea how many of them are actually in the wild but we can say for sure it’s more than we thought at least by one

I’m not seeing 2 different 3s in those pics? Looks like the same car with wheels on the trailer, and again on jackstands in Hastings?

Is there something we are missing?

 

[RiverDave]

I’m not seeing 2 different 3s in those pics? Looks like the same car with wheels on the trailer, and again on jackstands in Hastings?

Is there something we are missing?

The pictures were taken ten seconds apart by me.. a couple hours ago.

One was on the trailer, one was in the building at the same time on stands they both had the same number on them and said pre production

 

[RiverDave]

Dave, I’ve said what you are doing today in the same words with the same delivery 10 times at least. I’m cordial with people who are cordial with me. The evidence is right here in the thread.

The whining about me being a problem is more of a problem that I will ever be.

Why someone would hate someone they have never met, that has done nothing to them and that they can easily ignore and avoid is even more baffling.

Disagree. At some point ya just gotta move on. You started with a debate, then devolved into an argument and devolved to a point I’m not sure anyone even cares to know any actual information..

They would rather argue and suffer through philosophical differences of how a company should be run.. why they would or wouldn’t ever buy one based upon those same philosophical arguments..

They are arguing points as facts when they were all derived from theories and opinions.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

 

[riverroyal]

Dave, I’ve said what you are doing today in the same words with the same delivery 10 times at least. I’m cordial with people who are cordial with me. The evidence is right here in the thread.

The whining about me being a problem is more of a problem that I will ever be.

Why someone would hate someone they have never met, that has done nothing to them and that they can easily ignore and avoid is even more baffling.

I still love you
Not in JBNSOCAL village people way.

We will off road eventually this winter. Not with the BPracing guy, he likes to nerf people into the bushes. Ha

 

[outboard_256]

It’s a completely different car than what he originally started to build. Then He decided to make his own power plant instead of using something that already existed. Then he decided to add a three speed sequential transmission instead of just a normal high low.

He was pretty transparent in each of these steps that it’s a whole different program and far superior to what he started with.

Honestly I am surprised they are at the point that they are at already. Any of those changes are monumental undertakings.

They are in the final Stages and the major hurdles have already been accomplished (in my opinion). Now they for sure have more hurdles, but dialing in a production line is far easier than creating an engine from scratch.

RD

It was always a 300HP E85 Robby deisgned engine since he announced it at the sand expo and starting taking deposits. I don't know why everyone keeps saying he changed it and that is what delayed producution.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I still love you
Not in JBNSOCAL village people way.

We will off road eventually this winter. Not with the BPracing guy, he likes to nerf people into the bushes. Ha

Still? I’ve always agreed with JB that you are a homo. .

Yes we will.

 

[WhatExit?]

Again, I'm not pointing at failings or victimization.

Because you can sell a spot to another retail buyer doesn't make the deposit refundable.
It makes it sellable.

You said one of their problems was being "too transparent" and I simply stated that was by necessity, not by altruism.

Imagine if you will, an investment (deposit) that isn’t worth what you paid for it

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It was always a 300HP E85 Robby deisgned engine since he announced it at the sand expo and starting taking deposits. I don't know why everyone keeps saying he changed it and that is what delayed producution.

He built an entire new car with a new engine.

The 300HP spec was supposed to be a 1300cc car back then.

 

[RiverDave]

Dave, I’ve said what you are doing today in the same words with the same delivery 10 times at least. I’m cordial with people who are cordial with me. The evidence is right here in the thread.

The whining about me being a problem is more of a problem that I will ever be.

Why someone would hate someone they have never met, that has done nothing to them and that they can easily ignore and avoid is even more baffling.

Disagree. At some point ya just gotta move on. You started with a debate, then devolved into an argument and devolved to a point I’m not sure anyone even cares to know any actual information..

They would rather argue and suffer through philosophical differences of how a company should be run.. why they would or wouldn’t ever buy one based upon those same philosophical arguments..

They are arguing points as facts when they were all derived from theories and opinions.

The whole thing is ridiculous I’m

It was always a 300HP E85 Robby deisgned engine since he announced it at the sand expo and starting taking deposits. I don't know why everyone keeps saying he changed it and that is what delayed producution.

It was a different motor.. they were originally going to use some prototype motor that had been built before but wasn’t in production. There were several articles about it.

He was going to be more in the chassis business and building cars from existing parts. He went and developed everything new right down to the electronics / screens etc / motor / tranny / shocks / tires etc.

Unless my memory is completely wrong? I can’t remember the name of the motor they were going to originally use now but I did look it up after a few months initially

RD

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Disagree. At some point ya just gotta move on. You started with a debate, then devolved into an argument and devolved to a point I’m not sure anyone even cares to know any actual information..

They would rather argue and suffer through philosophical differences of how a company should be run.. why they would or wouldn’t ever buy one based upon those same philosophical arguments..

They are arguing points as facts when they were all derived from theories and opinions.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

You are asking the same questions I’ve asked them. . You are engaged in debate right now relitigating the deposits. Refundable or non-refundable is nearly irrelevant. The net-net is that anyone in the first 1000 can get their money out in probably 48 hours or less and Speed will actively help with the process.

I’m just happy I’ve fought off the stupidity enough to empower others to add their experience and knowledge of what we are going to see and when. I don’t need or want to be the single resource on this. I only pay attention because my money is wrapped up in it.

If you don’t want me to post another word in this thread, I won’t. Just say the word.

 

[RiverDave]

You are asking the same questions I’ve asked them. .

I’m just happy I’ve fought off the stupidity enough to empower others to add their experience and knowledge of what we are going to see and when. I don’t need or want to be the single resource on this. I only pay attention because my money is wrapped up in it.

If that was true you wouldn’t have argued rack storage into the ground.. lol. (Which incidentally they are in fact building).

If the economy tanks ya might be right on capacity.. but judging by their slip sales it will sell out as well.

 

[outboard_256]

He built an entire new car with a new engine.

The 300HP spec was supposed to be a 1300cc car back then.

Wrong again:

SXS Game Changer, wow

Looks like numbers are changing a little....

www.riverdavesplace.com

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If that was true you wouldn’t have argued rack storage into the ground.. lol. (Which incidentally they are in fact building)

This isn’t rack storage. And as you acknowledged that was a debate, this has devolved below that.

And my argument was that they will never build it for 300 boats like originally stated.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Wrong again:

SXS Game Changer, wow

Looks like numbers are changing a little....

www.riverdavesplace.com

That is the engine in prototype car. An the engine they didn’t use and instead built their own engine from the ground up.

They make 300 HP on E85 today.

Thanks for the validation!

 

[outboard_256]

That is the engine in prototype car.
With the engine they didn’t use and instead built their own engine from the ground up.

But they have been saying from day 1 it's going to be a 1000cc 300HP on race gas engine. "Industry leading" is the term I remember them saying over and over again. This was the main selling point. If they were throwing some 180HP existing turbo engine in it, no one would care.

 

[Singleton]

Surprised that nobody is talking about at least two cars with the exact same 3 pre production number..

That’s the biggest news of the day because now we have no idea how many of them are actually in the wild but we can say for sure it’s more than we thought at least by one

Shows they can’t count
Maybe pre-production (hand built) vs pre-production (mfg line built).
Who knows, but the date was around Thanksgiving prior to the oil line issue, then pushed to TBD.

They have been testing hand built cars. They need to run the line, take some of those cars and start testing. Way too many variables and testing needs to occur on cars built on the line before a general release IMO.

 

[yz450mm]

These two posts just happened to end up next to each other in my feed, interesting comparison between the look of two cars.

 

[BIGRED9158]

Jesus Christ it’s fucking thanksgiving and all you guys are still letting LOF get in your head go eat some turkey and stuff your wife I mean eat stuffing

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

But they have been saying from day 1 it's going to be a 1000cc 300HP on race gas engine. "Industry leading" is the term I remember them saying over and over again. This was the main selling point. If they were throwing some 180HP existing turbo engine in it, no one would care.

E85 isn’t race gas. There are no race gas HP claims as it relates to production cars.

 

[JayBreww]

Shows they can’t count
Maybe pre-production (hand built) vs pre-production (mfg line built).
Who knows, but the date was around Thanksgiving prior to the oil line issue, then pushed to TBD.

They have been testing hand built cars. They need to run the line, take some of those cars and start testing. Way too many variables and testing needs to occur on cars built on the line before a general release IMO.

No, there was a date for SSSS.

 

[riverroyal]

My can am is the 190-200 hp version. Can't remember.
But im not sure I've even held the pedal to the floor.
300 is going to be a handful. Maybe with paddles in the sand it won't.

 

[Bpracing1127]

I still love you
Not in JBNSOCAL village people way.

We will off road eventually this winter. Not with the BPracing guy, he likes to nerf people into the bushes. Ha

Hey I take offense to that!!!

 

[RiverDave]

You are asking the same questions I’ve asked them. .

I’m just happy I’ve fought off the stupidity enough to empower others to add their experience and knowledge of what we are going to see and when. I don’t need or want to be the single resource on this. I only pay attention because my money is wrapped up in it.

If that was true you wouldn’t have argued rack storage into the ground.. lol. (Which incidentally they are in fact building

Wrong again:

SXS Game Changer, wow

Looks like numbers are changing a little....

www.riverdavesplace.com

That was a different pre existing motor if memory serves.. it was something1.. not an R1 but something else I think?

 

[RiverDave]

Shows they can’t count
Maybe pre-production (hand built) vs pre-production (mfg line built).
Who knows, but the date was around Thanksgiving prior to the oil line issue, then pushed to TBD.

They have been testing hand built cars. They need to run the line, take some of those cars and start testing. Way too many variables and testing needs to occur on cars built on the line before a general release IMO.

See post 5,713

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Not to ruin some peoples day here…. But some customer cars are rolling off the line and Robby sent a few texts to them

I’ll give it a go.

Maybe they made more than one #3 car so when it breaks down again they could keep claiming it’s a high mile test mule when in fact it’s one of 4 low mile cars that keep breaking?



No fact or actual truth to any of what I typed but just wanted to ad a few pages to the thread.

Just happened to be getting last minute thanksgiving items last night and Robbie had the same idea.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

If you don’t want me to post another word in this thread, I won’t. Just say the word.

OMG!
Please Dave, say the word
Please, please, please....

Not because I don't want to see LOF posting, it's easy pickings for me, I just want to see how long he could actually go before creating a second screen name to post.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

OMG!
Please Dave, say the word
Please, please, please....

Not because I don't want to see LOF posting, it's easy pickings for me, I just want to see how long he could actually go before creating a second screen name to post.

I seem to remember you and the others lost that challenge of who could not post last time around .

The catch is Dave can’t call me for info anymore if he does not want me to post. .

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I seem to remember you and the others lost that challenge of who could not post last time around .

The catch is Dave can’t call me for info anymore if he does not want me to post. .

You seem to remember incorrectly, but that's not a surprise .

I've never stated I wasn't going to post.

As far as Dave calling you for information, that's not necessary with cars being delivered next week.
Right?

 

[RVR SWPR]

Fuck the haters at this point. No other manufacturer of a product reputation offered world wide falls on one man as RG / SPEED. Especially the first months right in the middle of off road season.
Point is RG has every right to release just 25 cars for at least 30 days. That is a good idea in this situation of Speed just about a one man operation.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

All teasing and bullshitting aside, the cars do look pretty good and I have every reason to want them to be as good as they look.

That being said, if Dave still thinks he can get $80K for his first car, he better get it now because when deliveries actually begin, believe me or not, those high $ numbers (if they even exist) will be gone.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You seem to remember incorrectly, but that's not a surprise .

I've never stated I wasn't going to post.

As far as Dave calling you for information, that's not necessary with cars being delivered next week.
Right?

You can’t not post here so that is no surprise either

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

You can’t not post here so that is no surprise either

I find this very entertaining so why wouldn't I post?

 

[DMF]

I find this very entertaining so why wouldn't I post?

Honestly, I find it exhausting.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Honestly, I find it exhausting.

Then take the advice LOF doles out and stay away.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

Just checking in.. its Thanksgiving, I heard product was going to be delivered by today.. and my info doesnt come from here (or @LargeOrangeFont ) .. anyone got one in their garage yet? Anyone... Anyone.. ?













Just askin....

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Just checking in.. its Thanksgiving, I heard product was going to be delivered by today.. and my info doesnt come from here (or @LargeOrangeFont ) .. anyone got one in their garage? Anyone... Anyone.. ?













Just askin....