Speed cars hit the assembly Line

[SKIDMARC]

Tell that to the owners of RZRs that caught fire and burned to the ground.

Polaris should feel emasculated.. they fail at product rollouts and have recalls year after year.

So yes Dan, keep arguing Polaris is the gold standard of quality in the UTV space just to disagree with me .

Tell me about all the startups you’ve been apart of again!

Then why do you own a Polaris if they are so bad? You just got a second one correct? Why trash talk a company that does make a good product that is not perfect that allot of people own and love. All the while claiming a car that has not been delivered to one single customer is by far a superior car hands down no questions. Its that approach that rubs the masses the wrong way and for good reason.

But I agree, comparing Speed to Polaris or BRP is not apples to apples and you know it, not even close. These are massive organizations that have so many products they design, develop, produce, maintain etc. Polaris revenue is north of 8 Billion annually, BRP is north of 6 Billion.

If Polaris said, ok we are going to focus all of our efforts and resources on developing and delivering the Pro R they could have had it out in a year or less. Because they have so many resources.

Speed UTV should not even be in the same discussion when it comes to comparing resources, because its a start up that has been funded to a certain extent by its customers who made deposits. Which is why I totally understand why its been 3 years and counting. If I didn't have a car in the 100-200 range, I wouldn't expect my car until end of 2023 or even 2024 for reasons I already stated, and I think that is really generous.

 

[MK1MOD0]

Well if you paid attention, those parts are designed/redesigned in house with Speeds engineers, and Hisuns manufacturing, no shipping.

Ok... so he saves shipping cost. . Time is money. He’s burning it by the wheelbarrow full right now.

 

[HTTP404]

WTB sub 1000 spot at face value.

 

[Heylam]

Getting Speed cars off the assembly line is no problem. Getting them off the reassembly line is the issue.

 

[EPL]

WTB sub 1000 spot at face value.

Go on FB speed page !

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Go on FB speed page !

The one you posted earlier was niether.. master 17XX and the guy wanted $2500.

 

[RiverDave]

Plenty on Facebook at cost. Last one I saw at cost that was low number was 65x or something like that. They wanted out

To be clear they are asking todays pricing and that number starts at 650+ for Mfg number.

Nobody is selling a sub 500 number for original costs. If they are I will buy it right now

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Then why do you own a Polaris if they are so bad? You just got a second one correct? Why trash talk a company that does make a good product that is not perfect that allot of people own and love. All the while claiming a car that has not been delivered to one single customer is by far a superior car hands down no questions. Its that approach that rubs the masses the wrong way and for good reason.

But I agree, comparing Speed to Polaris or BRP is not apples to apples and you know it, not even close. These are massive organizations that have so many products they design, develop, produce, maintain etc. Polaris revenue is north of 8 Billion annually, BRP is north of 6 Billion.

If Polaris said, ok we are going to focus all of our efforts and resources on developing and delivering the Pro R they could have had it out in a year or less. Because they have so many resources.

Speed UTV should not even be in the same discussion when it comes to comparing resources, because its a start up that has been funded to a certain extent by its customers who made deposits. Which is why I totally understand why its been 3 years and counting. If I didn't have a car in the 100-200 range, I wouldn't expect my car until end of 2023 or even 2024 for reasons I already stated, and I think that is really generous.

I never said Polaris or Can Ams are bad. I said the bar for quality in the space is low. I am not talking trash on the company, what I am stating is fact. They bring products to market that need revisions, year over year.

Where did I say that this car will be superior to a Pro R?. I said it represents a tremendous value, and is the most feature filled and powerful car in the class. Why would I care how the masses are rubbed? I'm not selling the cars. Speed is doing exactly what they need to, by raising awareness of the brand. You have people here that say they won't buy one, yet are are waiting on the sidelines to see if people's cars is any good before they will commit to buying another SXS because they want to buy "the best" car. That says volumes right there. The FOMO is real.

We can play the IF game all day. Polaris isn't getting a good product out at the margins they need in a year. No one is putting the effort out for moonshots in this space, they don't need to. If what you say is true why does Polaris have all these resources have major recalls year after year? It is because these cars are signed off by bean counters. They all are to some extent, just as Speed is. These companies are here to make money. Polaris needs to make more money per car than Speed does.

It takes a couple years of design and testing to develop any of these cars. The bigger the company the longer it takes, because they get designed and redesigned by committee. It took Textron almost 3 years to get the Wildcat XX out. It took longer for Honda and Kawasaki to bring their cars to market. These are bigger companies than Polaris with even more resources. Arguably their quality has been better than Polaris, they just don't make the sexy high HP cars.

If it takes Speed another year (it won't) that is STILL record time for a startup to bring a vehicle to market. I don't want a car wrought with problems. The more small things they find and fix, and revise, the better the finished product will be.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Getting Speed cars off the assembly line is no problem. Getting them off the reassembly line is the issue.

Well played

 

[buck35]

Tell that to the owners of RZRs that caught fire and burned to the ground.

Polaris should feel emasculated.. they fail at product rollouts and have recalls year after year.

So yes Dan, keep arguing Polaris is the gold standard of quality in the UTV space just to disagree with me .

Tell me about all the startups you’ve been apart of again!

Don't you own one of these piles of shit, with no concern when the unicorn is born?

 

[dirtslinger2]

Speed UTV 87

Speed UTV with Upgrades. ...click to see more of this listing

classifieds.race-dezert.com

 

[pixrthis]

Will the Speed car’s tires be out of date within a year of delivery? What will you replace them with if so?

 

[dirtslinger2]

Will the Speed car’s tires be out of date within a year of delivery? What will you replace them with if so?

I'll be swapping mine out with BFG 35's since I got a racer BFG hook up.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Tell that to the owners of RZRs that caught fire and burned to the ground.

Polaris should feel emasculated.. they fail at product rollouts and have recalls year after year.

So yes Dan, keep arguing Polaris is the gold standard of quality in the UTV space just to disagree with me .

Tell me about all the startups you’ve been apart of again!

My ex-wife's parents were one of the owners of one that was involved in that.... Polaris and their dealer went above and beyond to make it right.... They at least can deliver something besides excuses... I've had a couple of their sleds as well.. Polaris has great after sale service...

At this point are you up for a wager? $100 donation to WAGS or Hospice of Havasu made by the losing party. My bet, NO 50 state legal car is delivered by Dec 31st. Care to take the other side of that?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

My ex-wife's parents were one of the owners of one that was involved in that.... Polaris and their dealer went above and beyond to make it right.... They at least can deliver something besides excuses... I've had a couple of their sleds as well.. Polaris has great after sale service...

At this point are you up for a wager? $100 donation to WAGS or Hospice of Havasu made by the losing party. My bet, NO 50 state legal car is delivered by Dec 31st. Care to take the other side of that?

No on that bet.. I can’t in good faith wager on CA bureaucrats accomplishing something on any timetable.

If you don’t like the excuses from Speed, don’t buy one. I’ve been abundantly clear on that. I don’t want my car rushed to appease you or anyone else.

My neighbor in theory can’t even drive his RZR because it is under a stop ride order. 0 word from Polaris on the fix for months. So you are right, Polaris is not delivering excuses, just radio silence.

I’ll tell him how great your relations Polaris service was after the sale and the the unit burned to the ground. I’m sure that will make him happy he’s losing a season .

I now have you guys defending Polaris quality and QC as somehow being superior and the gold standard of the industry. This fantastic.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

No on that bet.. I can’t in good faith wager on CA doing something on any timetable.

If you don’t like the excuses, don’t buy one, I’ve been abundantly clear on that.

My neighbor in theory can’t even drive his RZR because it is under a stop ride order. 0 word from Polaris on the fix for months. So you are right, Polaris is not delivering excuses, just radio silence.

I’ll tell him how great your relations Polaris service was after the sale and the the unit burned to the ground. I’m sure that will make him happy he’s losing a season .

Their incident was one of the ones that triggered the recall. Again Polaris took care of it quickly...and above and beyond expectation. I also understand their stop ride orders....I passed on a RMK sled over it, and went with skidoo to not "lose a season." Your neighbor should be calling his dealer..every day...I would be.

I have no intention of buying one at this point....was just looking to make a friendly wager. I don’t believe for an instant that’s all that’s holding it up. I'll double it and say not a single unit will be delivered in the US by year end? You in? Same terms, same recipients...just $200 vs $100. It's not going to break you obviously.

 

[Brokeboatin221]

Did they ever get that tab welded back on

 

[702sandman]

LOF and I have a bet for $1000.00 that he does not get his car #497 before Christmas Eve December 24th at midnight. Cut and dry

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Their incident was one of the ones that triggered the recall. Again Polaris took care of it quickly...and above and beyond expectation. I also understand their stop ride orders....I passed on a RMK sled over it, and went with skidoo to not "lose a season." Your neighbor should be calling his dealer..every day...I would be.

I have no intention of buying one at this point....was just looking to make a friendly wager. I don’t believe for an instant that’s all that’s holding it up. I'll double it and say not a single unit will be delivered in the US by year end? You in? Same terms, same recipients...just $200 vs $100. It's not going to break you obviously.

I’m glad they were OK and were made whole.

At this point I don’t think that will happen either by years end. I know that CARB is not the holdup, RG has said as much. There is no reason for them to wait for that.

Some folks were right about the deliveries, good on them, they were right. Myself and some others were wrong. It’s all good, I get to watch some people take ridiculous positions just to disagree with me for a little while longer

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

LOF and I have a bet for $1000.00 that he does not get his car #497 before Christmas Eve December 24th at midnight. Cut and dry

Yes we do. PM me when you get a chance. Cheers to you for taking some action when no one else would .

 

[EmpirE231]

LOF and I have a bet for $1000.00 that he does not get his car #497 before Christmas Eve December 24th at midnight. Cut and dry

Sounds like that SPEED car just got a little more expensive.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Sounds like that SPEED car just got a little more expensive.

Yep. Still plenty of margin left in it though

 

[702sandman]

Yes we do. PM me when you get a chance. Cheers to you for taking some action when no one else would .

I truly want you to get your car and I hope it’s bad ass, just not till at least Christmas Day I’ll pm you

 

[Ultra...Good]

LOF and I have a bet for $1000.00 that he does not get his car #497 before Christmas Eve December 24th at midnight. Cut and dry

Of what year?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I truly want you to get your car and I hope it’s bad ass, just not till at least Christmas Day I’ll pm you

I know. All in fun. It seems like you are gonna get me on this one.

Thank you.

 

[702sandman]

Of what year?

22’

 

[EarpRider]

Robby's got balls- He announces to his customers, that are waiting for cars, that he took a 10 day vacation in Mexico off roading.

 

[WhatExit?]

Tell that to the owners of RZRs that caught fire and burned to the ground.

Polaris should feel emasculated.. they fail at product rollouts and have recalls year after year.

So yes Dan, keep arguing Polaris is the gold standard of quality in the UTV space just to disagree with me .

Tell me about all the startups you’ve been apart of again!

I’m confident I’ve worked for more startups than you, likely more startups than you’ve owned SxS but that’s irrelevant. Your insecurity coupled with your need to tout and support Speed makes you a painful poster - ad painful as others who also are notorious for their abuse of members.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I’m confident I’ve worked for more startups than you, likely more startups than you’ve owned SxS but that’s irrelevant. Your insecurity coupled with your need to tout and support Speed makes you a painful poster - ad painful as others who also are notorious for their abuse of members.

Keep that gaslight shining bright Dan.

Speed will shut its doors and run off with our money like you are hoping any day now, and then you can triumphantly cut and paste the article.

 

[dirtslinger2]

Robby's got balls- He announces to his customers, that are waiting for cars, that he took a 10 day vacation in Mexico off roading. View attachment 1174298

Not from Robby, that was from Todd. Facts matter.

 

[WhatExit?]

In spite of your incessant insults and touting of Speed the reality is what you know and think you know has zero bearing on what will happen.

Tell us again in 100 more posts how you don’t care

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

In spite of your incessant insults and touting of Speed the reality is what you know and think you know has zero bearing on what will happen.

Tell us again in 100 more posts how you don’t care

Say it again to the mirror Dan .

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Keep that gaslight shining bright Dan.

Speed will shut its doors and run off with our money like you are hoping any day now, and then you can triumphantly cut and paste the article.

I don't suspect that will happen. RG is tied in with a big manufacturer that I would assume has more than just a contract to build involved in this deal.. The concern I see is long term stability the longer he drags this out. I'm a finance guy...My concerns focus around financing ability for buyers, and decreased demand in a recession. Yea there are a lot of "booked" orders, but that can go south if things really shift. Delays are not good, just as a product with problems isn't good.

 

[EarpRider]

Not from Robby, that was from Todd. Facts matter.

Yeah, Robby only posted a video with his kid from Mex..
And Todd clearly has the power to speak for Robby.

 

[Bpracing1127]

No on that bet.. I can’t in good faith wager on CA bureaucrats accomplishing something on any timetable.

If you don’t like the excuses from Speed, don’t buy one. I’ve been abundantly clear on that. I don’t want my car rushed to appease you or anyone else.

My neighbor in theory can’t even drive his RZR because it is under a stop ride order. 0 word from Polaris on the fix for months. So you are right, Polaris is not delivering excuses, just radio silence.

I’ll tell him how great your relations Polaris service was after the sale and the the unit burned to the ground. I’m sure that will make him happy he’s losing a season .

I now have you guys defending Polaris quality and QC as somehow being superior and the gold standard of the industry. This fantastic.

Would you be willing to give up your spot to someone else so your car isn’t rushed? And you get the perfection you desire?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I don't suspect that will happen. RG is tied in with a big manufacturer that I would assume has more than just a contract to build involved in this deal.. The concern I see is long term stability the longer he drags this out. I'm a finance guy...My concerns focus around financing ability for buyers, and decreased demand in a recession. Yea there are a lot of "booked" orders, but that can go south if things really shift. Delays are not good, just as a product with problems isn't good.

It would make no sense if it did happen. He would burn every professional and many personal bridges the guy has made his entire life. They absolutely bit off more than they could chew.. most startups go through that point.

Even at the 16k units they are talking about, that is not a dent in the SXS market. If they did 10k units the first year that would probably be a success for the company and that is absolutely doable in their addressable market.

As @dirtslinger2 mentioned, a Polaris employee didn’t even know WTF Speed was. As covered over a year ago, Can Am and Polaris could care less. Their efforts are better spent taking share from each other, not squashing Speed.

This is a niche car for a niche market.

As far as financing.. I understand your though process. However, you can finance a Hisun, you can finance a Speed. When has anyone ever said, “No we won’t finance you this toy at a high rate sir?”

In my estimation problems after delivery are worse than delays before delivery for a start up with a single product lineup.

And honestly I hope they are using the time to better prepare their dealer network, etc. to make the experience better going forward.

If we agree that they are not going to go out of business, than it seems to me we might also agree that it stands to reason the brand/product/experience/dealer network is also improving with time, not decaying.

Unless of course we think RG and Todd have been in Bahamas at the FTX compound this whole time.

 

[CLdrinker]

Investment opportunity

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Would you be willing to give up your spot to someone else so your car isn’t rushed? And you get the perfection you desire?

I sort of already have. I am flipping the sub 500 car. I’m keeping the 1000 car.

 

[702sandman]

A low number on Race Dezert just popped up

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Investment opportunity View attachment 1174309

Guy doubled his investment at that price.

 

[JayBreww]

LOF and I have a bet for $1000.00 that he does not get his car #497 before Christmas Eve December 24th at midnight. Cut and dry

I said they won’t get it by February a few pages ago.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

A low number on Race Dezert just popped up

View attachment 1174310 View attachment 1174311

Unless he picked every single option, that dude will pocket several thousand to $10k as well.

87 is lowwwww

 

[JayBreww]

Guy is trying to make like 6k.

Doesn’t seem like much compared to what you’ll make after selling it right?
Didn’t you say you want +10 on your car you are going to sell?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Doesn’t seem like much compared to what you’ll make after selling it right?
Didn’t you say you want +10 on your car you are going to sell?

It entirely depends on the option list. So it is hard to tell on some of these.

When someone is 13XX that was when the car was +$3k over the original price. So he’s saying you’ll save 3k vs today’s pricing. I’m figuring he’s marking it up about 6k. Yes I think you will of course make more when they deliver. Some don’t want to wait, some want the money now. Times are getting tighter, at best these will arrive in late Dec or Jan, and from whenever they arrive we don’t know the the cadence.

Selling either of mine for MSRP as it is priced now would net between $11 and $12k. I don’t see that happening unless I have a car.

FWIW flipping the first one at MSRP covers the out of pocket on my newer Polaris car. If the market is strong enough to command more than that, great. I paid $6k more for the new one than I sold the old one for, and spent about $4k on mods, about half of which is shock work.

The 2nd car that I plan to keep, that delta is just the depreciation. I am hoping to use it for a couple years and sell it for near what I had into it. That is the hope anyway.

I could be out of the deals for what I have in them by tomorrow morning however.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

It would make no sense if it did happen. He would burn every professional and many personal bridges the guy has made his entire life. They absolutely bit off more than they could chew.. most startups go through that point.

Even at the 16k units they are talking about, that is not a dent in the SXS market. If they did 10k units the first year that would probably be a success for the company and that is absolutely doable in their addressable market.

As @dirtslinger2 mentioned, a Polaris employee didn’t even know WTF Speed was. As covered over a year ago, Can Am and Polaris could care less. Their efforts are better spent taking share from each other, not squashing Speed.

This is a niche car for a niche market.

As far as financing.. I understand your though process. However, you can finance a Hisun, you can finance a Speed. When has anyone ever said, “No we won’t finance you this toy at a high rate sir?”

In my estimation problems after delivery are worse than delays before delivery for a start up with a single product lineup.

And honestly I hope they are using the time to better prepare their dealer network, etc. to make the experience better going forward.

If we agree that they are not going to go out of business, than it seems to me we might also agree that it stands to reason the brand/product/experience/dealer network is also improving with time, not decaying.

Unless of course we think RG and Todd have been in Bahamas at the FTX compound this whole time.

I understand your point...however we are going into an economic downturn etc. HiSun has a value, Polaris has a value, Honda has a value, Can Am has a value etc.. Speed is a newcomer, and may not get the same AVL listing (term may be different in that industry..essentially its manufacturers whose products we will loan against) in terms of finance companies as a larger player....especially if the perception is instability. if you have some of the finance guys that aren't real hot on this deal they can absolutely dictate that they just won't finance that brand regardless of the rate..risk is risk. It happens all the time. Those decisions aren't always based on absolutes...perception dictates a lot of things.

I hope for perception sake he starts either being far more open, or starts delivering cars in a fucking Santa suit with bells on

BTW going back to our previous conversation, I bought from a different dealer....but it wasn't ADM or anything like that related..I wound up falling into a deal on a summit expert and that what I had actually wanted. They didn't really try to add a bunch of fees etc..If it wasn't for finding the sled I really wanted I would have bought from them...I did talk to them about the speed pricing and they said that was a corp question.

 

[EarpRider]

Robby Gordon on Instagram: "Caution and Safty is important. There are so many small details that are built into the Speed UTV it’s mind blowing 🔥 thank you to everyone for allowing us to refine this beast ❤️"

3,771 likes, 136 comments - robbygordon on November 21, 2022: "Caution and Safty is important. There are so many small details that are built into the Speed UTV it’s mind blowing 🔥 thank you to everyone for allowing us to refine this beast ❤️".

www.instagram.com

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I understand your point...however we are going into an economic downturn etc. HiSun has a value, Polaris has a value, Honda has a value, Can Am has a value etc.. Speed is a newcomer, and may not get the same AVL listing (term may be different in that industry..essentially its manufacturers whose products we will loan against) in terms of finance companies as a larger player....especially if the perception is instability. if you have some of the finance guys that aren't real hot on this deal they can absolutely dictate that they just won't finance that brand regardless of the rate..risk is risk. It happens all the time. Those decisions aren't always based on absolutes...perception dictates a lot of things.

I hope for perception sake he starts either being far more open, or starts delivering cars in a fucking Santa suit with bells on

BTW going back to our previous conversation, I bought from a different dealer....but it wasn't ADM or anything like that related..I wound up falling into a deal on a summit expert and that what I had actually wanted. They didn't really try to add a bunch of fees etc..If it wasn't for finding the sled I really wanted I would have bought from them...I did talk to them about the speed pricing and they said that was a corp question.

These are all legitimate points. They already have secured a financing partner. If that went away I agree there would be real problems.

From a bickering and speculation perspective if there were no updates it would be better. None of this conversation would really even exist. It would be like waiting for any Tesla… “Yep I’m supposed to get it next year, hope I like it”. I think he’d have 2000 cars in the pipeline had he done that. No customers seeing the car or design, not touching the car, no getting rides in prototypes, just having it debut and say “Here it is!”

Now there are not enough updates, we want to see more of the product, more of how it’s made, more of what Speed is doing, more on fixing screw ups, etc. they are a victim of their own creation in that regard, but grew commits and grew the pipeline a lot more because of it.

Gordon is like the Trump of the SXS world, and like Trump sometimes he does more harm to himself than good. He has said he does not care if you like Speed or hate them.. only that you are talking about them. For better or worse that is what he’s accomplished. You have people that say they will never buy the car following their every move.

I’d love for them to just go over a punch list of shit they are doing, have done or still need to do each week, but that does not create excitement either.

 

[Bpracing1127]

These are all legitimate points. They already have secured a financing partner. If that went away I agree there would be real problems.

From a bickering and speculation perspective if there were no updates it would be better. None of this conversation would really even exist. It would be like waiting for any Tesla… “Yep I’m supposed to get it next year, hope I like it”. I think he’d have 2000 cars in the pipeline had he done that. No customers seeing the car or design, not touching the car, no getting rides in prototypes, just having it debut and say “Here it is!”

Now there are not enough updates, we want to see more of the product, more of how it’s made, more of what Speed is doing, more on fixing screw ups, etc. they are a victim of their own creation in that regard, but grew commits and grew the pipeline a lot more because of it.

Gordon is like the Trump of the SXS world, and like Trump sometimes he does more harm to himself than good. He has said he does not care if you like Speed or hate them.. only that you are talking about them. For better or worse that is what he’s accomplished. You have people that say they will never buy the car following their every move.

I’d love for them to just go over a punch list of shit they are doing, have done or still need to do each week, but that does not create excitement either.

I think it comes down to stop lying to us week in and week out. Stop saying 5-8 weeks if you don’t mean it. Ect

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Robby Gordon on Instagram: "Caution and Safty is important. There are so many small details that are built into the Speed UTV it’s mind blowing 🔥 thank you to everyone for allowing us to refine this beast ❤️"

3,771 likes, 136 comments - robbygordon on November 21, 2022: "Caution and Safty is important. There are so many small details that are built into the Speed UTV it’s mind blowing 🔥 thank you to everyone for allowing us to refine this beast ❤️".

www.instagram.com

"Safty" It's that attention to detail we've come to expect from speed

 

[HTTP404]

A low number on Race Dezert just popped up

View attachment 1174310 View attachment 1174311

So 50k plus taxes bla bla bla? What is the "mark up" on this one?