Speed- Another Irritated Customer

[rivermobster]

Read the last part of post #93..

The best timing was about 2 years ago though for jumping out of the spots.. Now that the cars are actually physical I don't think they are nearly as profitable as just the spots in line where.


If he's interested at possibly selling at his original cost I maybe interested in a bit? I still have to finish my sign truck, put on Supercat, and buy a boat real quick.. but after that?

What's his #? Model? Accessories?

RD

PM Scent

 

[OLDRAAT]

What 'scent' are ya using today, Joe?

 

[BRONCOBOY]

As far as this guy is concerned (and several others) it seems as soon as they got their cars they instantly went out and treated it like a race car and then are surprised that they are going to have to fix and maintain it like a race car?

If you are gonna get something (anything) and instantly go out and run it like that with zero break in period you are going to have problems

I believe this car was promoted as a out of the box race car and light years ahead of the competition - Right?

 

[jesco]

I believe this car was promoted as a out of the box race car and light years ahead of the competition - Right?

Yes, yes it was... and it doesnt need any mods... and it wont ever break.... and and and. I hope they get it figured out, but from the cheapest seats, its pretty funny to watch unfold. I know a few guys that have them... One guy is a big name guy, has had NUMEROUS issues, but hasn't been public at all because he doesn't want the fall out in his business.. Robby has jumped through hoops for him because of it. Which I know Dave doesn't think he is getting any special treatment, but without him feeling/knowing it, he definitely is and Robby would be stupid to not be doing it.

 

[RiverDave]

I believe this car was promoted as a out of the box race car and light years ahead of the competition - Right?

It was promoted as all kinds of shit.. but if it was truly promoted as a race car than I think the slogan would be
" break at the wrong time every time, there is no warranty, and you better have 7 digits per season to be taken seriously in kids classes, but those few moments of satisfaction and glory make it all worth it"

So in theory on that logic.. I'd say they are over delivering with a warranty.. .

I'm joking but seriously if you go run any of this shit like a race car, expect race car results. Which is about what I described above.


For me an owner I had a few conversations last weekend with people about my thoughts on the car. I said "Well it isn't a turn the key and go kinda situation and if you are looking for that then this ain't for you.. What I can tell you is out of the box it's the closest thing you can drive to a legit Offroad race car, and it kinda comes with all the pro's and cons of that.. In short owning one is a journey, not a destination or possession."

And that's honestly how I feel about it.

What I can tell you is coming out of my X3 and running the same trails (which for the most part are rougher now than they were then) my cruise and haul ass speeds 10-15 mph faster (minimum) than they were in the X3.

It isn't just about speed though it's about the shit you are hitting at those speeds is what matters.. rocks, whoops, ruts, G outs, etc..

I can tell you my concerns are engine temps and tires so far.. In my X3 it was A arms, gusset kits, radius rods... inversely though I wasn't really concerned about the engine though.. LOL



RD

 

[NIKAL]

That RZR 200 I got for my Nieces and Nephews. Had a stop ride. If you signed a document stating you would not sue for lemon law. They sent a good faith check for $800 and extended the warranty. Once the recall is completed they send a $250 voucher. Only to CA buyers.

Polaris also did this for the RZR, XP Pro Turbo R that had the Stop Ride recall for the fuel line fitting. But Polaris was offering $4500. If you had an attorney people were getting 7500 plus attorney fees. This was why Polaris offered up the $4500.

 

[rivermobster]

I believe this car was promoted as a out of the box race car and light years ahead of the competition - Right?

That's what I head as well.

Except if you read the fine print, about the warranty being void if you race it!

 

[RiverDave]

That's what I head as well.

Except if you read the fine print, about the warranty being void if you race it!

Which would be the same for anything on the planet..

 

[rivermobster]

Which would be the same for anything on the planet..

Then Why bill it as a race car?

 

[RiverDave]

Then Why bill it as a race car?

Go buy a race car... They aren't going to warranty it if ya race it?

You can go buy Teague motors and they will say "warranty void if raced" etc.. it's the same across the board? But you guys all are claiming this is unique to this?



RD

 

[NicPaus]

Polaris also did this for the RZR, XP Pro Turbo R that had the Stop Ride recall for the fuel line fitting. But Polaris was offering $4500. If you had an attorney people were getting 7500 plus attorney fees. This was why Polaris offered up the $4500.

A few that had payments still got $1000-1200. They asked a few questions when I called. I felt $800 was fair for my situation. I traded work for it and the $800 brought my costs of the unit down below 4k. Others have posted a thousand was not enough but paid covid prices for them.

 

[SeanRitchie]

Trans failures...

I have 2 confirmed trans failures via direct phone calls with customers. Nick from Chupacabra broke one after about 1500 miles, and another customer up north that said he ran his car somewhat hard. I have not seen either of them yet, I don't know if they are Gen 1 or Gen 2 versions yet. Will sort out what broke and give a report to Speed so it can be addressed.

There have been a few hundred Speed cars delivered.

I have prepped and fixed 6 Pro-R transmissions in the past month alone, and have another 4 sitting here waiting their turn.

 

[BRONCOBOY]

I have spent a fortune on race cars knowing I will spend a small fortune preping it for the next race. Robby inserted his foot in his mouth early on and deserves these negative responses solely on arrogant sales tactics. I hope they get it figured out but the amount of waisted time and money spent by customers having their weekend gone south has to be in the millions. I know it cost me a mim of 750 per weekend to get to the desert and I'm not happy if my shit breaks.

 

[DMF]

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Yes

 

[n2otoofast4u]

Yes

Can we let LOF back for a few days? I’d like to hear/read his true opinion now that he’s had one.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Can we let LOF back for a few days? I’d like to hear/read his true opinion now that he’s had one.

He hasn’t driven his all but 20 miles. The 20 miles he did drive it. He said his rzr turbo is actually pretty good compared to the speed. What he means is the speed is good if not great with handling but it’s not night and day different. Again this is only 10-20 miles review from him

 

[BHC Vic]

He hasn’t driven his all but 20 miles. The 20 miles he did drive it. He said his rzr turbo is actually pretty good compared to the speed. What he means is the speed is good if not great with handling but it’s not night and day different. Again this is only 10-20 miles review from him

His rzr is dialed in with everything he wanted though correct? And he obviously has a lot of experience with setup and driving

 

[Bpracing1127]

First off the number isn't 90%.. That's laughable.. I'd guess it to me more like 5-8% max.


If you are referring to me, I don't have any cars for sale anymore.. I just have the one I'm keeping.

RD

You are forgetting all the turbo’s they had to replace. Plus new tunes. That alone was 90% of the cars

 

[Bpracing1127]

His rzr is dialed in with everything he wanted though correct? And he obviously has a lot of experience with setup and driving

Correct

 

[pixrthis]

First off the number isn't 90%.. That's laughable.. I'd guess it to me more like 5-8% max.


If you are referring to me, I don't have any cars for sale anymore.. I just have the one I'm keeping.

RD

I’m not referring to anybody specifically.

 

[Cole Trickle]

Can we let LOF back for a few days? I’d like to hear/read his true opinion now that he’s had one.

he has moved on to playing with corvettes no time for speed...lol

 

[HotRod82]

I can't believe how much people care about this......it's a toy.

 

[HALLETT BOY]

I can't believe how much people care about this......it's a toy.

A very expensive toy …

 

[pixrthis]

It was promoted as all kinds of shit.. but if it was truly promoted as a race car than I think the slogan would be
" break at the wrong time every time, there is no warranty, and you better have 7 digits per season to be taken seriously in kids classes, but those few moments of satisfaction and glory make it all worth it"

So in theory on that logic.. I'd say they are over delivering with a warranty.. .

I'm joking but seriously if you go run any of this shit like a race car, expect race car results. Which is about what I described above.


For me an owner I had a few conversations last weekend with people about my thoughts on the car. I said "Well it isn't a turn the key and go kinda situation and if you are looking for that then this ain't for you.. What I can tell you is out of the box it's the closest thing you can drive to a legit Offroad race car, and it kinda comes with all the pro's and cons of that.. In short owning one is a journey, not a destination or possession."

And that's honestly how I feel about it.

What I can tell you is coming out of my X3 and running the same trails (which for the most part are rougher now than they were then) my cruise and haul ass speeds 10-15 mph faster (minimum) than they were in the X3.

It isn't just about speed though it's about the shit you are hitting at those speeds is what matters.. rocks, whoops, ruts, G outs, etc..

I can tell you my concerns are engine temps and tires so far.. In my X3 it was A arms, gusset kits, radius rods... inversely though I wasn't really concerned about the engine though.. LOL



RD

I agree with how you run it and if it’s for everyone very much like a twin turbo v-drive Schiada, most people love them but most people should not own one. The knowledge to use and maintain is learned and costly if not done correctly and obviously not for everyone but amazing for the ones that really get it. I’ve seen so many abused works of art (Schiadas) that someone thought they had what it takes only to find out they didn’t. The Speed car might be like that.

 

[HCP3]

I can't believe how much people care about this......it's a toy.

The perfect toy.

 

[rivermobster]

Go buy a race car... They aren't going to warranty it if ya race it?

You can go buy Teague motors and they will say "warranty void if raced" etc.. it's the same across the board? But you guys all are claiming this is unique to this?



RD

And that didn't answer the question I asked now did it?

And not only was it Advertised as a "race ready" car, it's been competing in a whole bunch of races, as if it actually is a "race ready" car.

So when you bill something as "race ready", and race it like it's "race ready", some people actually BELIEVED that's what it was actually gonna be.

And, they are Pissed that it's not!!!

The rest of us? Yeah, not so much.

Let's hope at least the reliability factor Eventually gets better.

So congrats to you. Sounds like you actually did end up getting one for free. Your gambling skilz never cease to amaze me.

 

[JayBreww]

It was promoted as all kinds of shit.. but if it was truly promoted as a race car than I think the slogan would be
" break at the wrong time every time, there is no warranty, and you better have 7 digits per season to be taken seriously in kids classes, but those few moments of satisfaction and glory make it all worth it"

So in theory on that logic.. I'd say they are over delivering with a warranty.. .

I'm joking but seriously if you go run any of this shit like a race car, expect race car results. Which is about what I described above.


For me an owner I had a few conversations last weekend with people about my thoughts on the car. I said "Well it isn't a turn the key and go kinda situation and if you are looking for that then this ain't for you.. What I can tell you is out of the box it's the closest thing you can drive to a legit Offroad race car, and it kinda comes with all the pro's and cons of that.. In short owning one is a journey, not a destination or possession."

And that's honestly how I feel about it.

What I can tell you is coming out of my X3 and running the same trails (which for the most part are rougher now than they were then) my cruise and haul ass speeds 10-15 mph faster (minimum) than they were in the X3.

It isn't just about speed though it's about the shit you are hitting at those speeds is what matters.. rocks, whoops, ruts, G outs, etc..

I can tell you my concerns are engine temps and tires so far.. In my X3 it was A arms, gusset kits, radius rods... inversely though I wasn't really concerned about the engine though.. LOL



RD

If I remember correctly, you and someone had plans on racing one of your orders initially?


EDIT: Found it.
Post in thread 'Speed UTV take 3'
https://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/threads/speed-utv-take-3.261718/post-5028840

 

[RiverDave]

And that didn't answer the question I asked now did it?

And not only was it Advertised as a "race ready" car, it's been competing in a whole bunch of races, as if it actually is a "race ready" car.

So when you bill something as "race ready", and race it like it's "race ready", some people actually BELIEVED that's what it was actually gonna be.

And, they are Pissed that it's not!!!

The rest of us? Yeah, not so much.

Let's hope at least the reliability factor Eventually gets better.

So congrats to you. Sounds like you actually did end up getting one for free. Your gambling skilz never cease to amaze me.

I don’t give a shit what ya buy.. if your gonna race it ya better race prep it first.. lol. Ask rvrrats about that.. lol

I have my shit somewhat prepped just to do long poker runs and the like.. a once over on a speed is about 3k over at Morgan..

 

[rivermobster]

I don’t give a shit what ya buy.. if your gonna race it ya better race prep it first.. lol. Ask rvrrats about that.. lol

I have my shit somewhat prepped just to do long poker runs and the like.. a once over on a speed is about 3k over at Morgan..

I don't have to ask anyone about what it takes to race or be competitive.

And I also didn't ask if you give a shit or not!

The topic is about Speed pretending to be something it's not, and people getting pissed about it.

Personally, even though it's clear he's a drama queen who's trying to make money on his YouTube channel...

I don't blame the guy for being pissed off.

 

[RiverDave]

I don't have to ask anyone about what it takes to race or be competitive.

And I also didn't ask if you give a shit or not!

The topic is about Speed pretending to be something it's not, and people getting pissed about it.

Personally, even though it's clear he's a drama queen who's trying to make money on his YouTube channel...

I don't blame the guy for being pissed off.

Well I guess I’m not sure what you are saying? It doesn’t matter what ya buy you are gonna have to race prep It if you go racing?

I prep mine for any kind of long journey?

It kinda seems like you are gonna Debbie downer it no matter what so..

If your total sum of experience with the brand is these threads I can understand why..

Nobody pays attention to many posts each week about customers over the moon with their cars.. guy just ran 2500 miles in Baja Fresh delivery no problems etc etc..

I’m not the only guy who’s happy with the car there’s a lot of them out there.. they are just conveniently overlooked because someone is mad at about a 25;1 ratio

 

[rivermobster]

Well I guess I’m not sure what you are saying? It doesn’t matter what ya buy you are gonna have to race prep It if you go racing?

I prep mine for any kind of long journey?

It kinda seems like you are gonna Debbie downer it no matter what so..

If your total sum of experience with the brand is these threads I can understand why..

Nobody pays attention to many posts each week about customers over the moon with their cars.. guy just ran 2500 miles in Baja Fresh delivery no problems etc etc..

I’m not the only guy who’s happy with the car there’s a lot of them out there.. they are just conveniently overlooked because someone is mad at about a 25;1 ratio

I thought I was pretty clear...

But it seems like you've conveniently overlooked it.

Carry on!

 

[NIKAL]

Trans failures...

I have 2 confirmed trans failures via direct phone calls with customers. Nick from Chupacabra broke one after about 1500 miles, and another customer up north that said he ran his car somewhat hard. I have not seen either of them yet, I don't know if they are Gen 1 or Gen 2 versions yet. Will sort out what broke and give a report to Speed so it can be addressed.

There have been a few hundred Speed cars delivered.

I have prepped and fixed 6 Pro-R transmissions in the past month alone, and have another 4 sitting here waiting their turn.

Gen 1 or 2? When did a Gen 2 come out and what was changed? Are you talking about after the side cases broke? Because all cars got the revised version.

Has Speed sent you the two broken trans to inspect and figure out where the failure was?

 

[riverroyal]

So you can Lemon Law and off road toy?
I learned something. Is that the same for motorcycles?

Anything with a warranty. 30 days to fix. Manufacturer/ dealer has 3 tries, each get 30 days. If it brakes a 4th time it's eligible. Typical lemon wins are based on days put of service
Manufacturer also pays your attorneys fees, all of them.
There's no out of pocket

Edit...there's also out of service durations that can be used. Like 5 different issues and 300 days in the shop type thing. That helped with our lemon win years back

 

[rivrrts429]

I still want to race the car. I’d have that car prepped down to it’s last nut & bolt before I raced it but the non radius arm is a game changer if the drivetrain can be made to stay together.

I have ideas that would improve it.

I don’t need the Speed key. A legit suspension can feel like a 50 horse gain.

I’ve raced the NA class and it’s brutally slow but fun. Comparable to class 11 style racing. Dog shit for power. After putting cubic dollars into suspension you start wearing out the turbo classes before long. That only compounds positively when you don’t have antiquated radius arm technology.

From a consumer standpoint I can’t understand why people view the Speed car as a negative. It only helps the industry propel the technology from the manufacturers to provide an improved product to the consumer.

I have no connection to Robby besides bench racing with him and banter in the pits. I don’t have a tattoo of him and don’t have, or plan, to have a Speed car anytime soon but the challenges and results of the insane business risk he’s tackled doesn’t spin me out either. It’s good for the industry and good for the consumer. Some of these posts sounds like my grandfather when Toyota became a formidable foe to the big three back in the 80’s lol

 

[Bullhead bully]

Agreed 100%. The Pro R will be our next ride unless something crazy happens.

LLLLOOOVVE MINE !

 

[SeanRitchie]

Gen 1 or 2? When did a Gen 2 come out and what was changed? Are you talking about after the side cases broke? Because all cars got the revised version.

Has Speed sent you the two broken trans to inspect and figure out where the failure was?

Gen 2 trans got delivered just after the first 10 production cars were delivered. Remember Speed replaced the Gen 1 transmissions in all of those cars after the failures at KOH.

I don't know what broke yet. Only chatted with customers over the phone about it.

 

[NIKAL]

Gen 2 trans got delivered just after the first 10 production cars were delivered. Remember Speed replaced the Gen 1 transmissions in all of those cars after the failures at KOH.

I don't know what broke yet. Only chatted with customers over the phone about it.

Thats correct. All cars got the Gen 2, even the fist 10. I was wondering if there was another revision since then.

Well hopefully Speed sends you those couple of transmissions to inspect, and not just scrap them. I would have thought they would have done that by now.

 

[evantwheeler]

Thats correct. All cars got the Gen 2, even the fist 10. I was wondering if there was another revision since then.

Well hopefully Speed sends you those couple of transmissions to inspect, and not just scrap them. I would have thought they would have done that by now.

Your intentional replacement of his word “customers” with “Speed” in two separate posts is odd. Why are you doing that?

 

[dirtslinger2]

Your intentional replacement of his word “customers” with “Speed” in two separate posts is odd. Why are you doing that?

Because these transmissions are under warranty, so they would have to come from Speed to Weddle, not from the customer to Weddle. So, he's asking if Speed has sent or reached out to them.

 

[evantwheeler]

Because these transmissions are under warranty, so they would have to come from Speed to Weddle, not from the customer to Weddle. So, he's asking if Speed has sent or reached out to them.

Have to? Can a car owner not fix their own car outside of the speed warranty program?

 

[dirtslinger2]

Have to? Can a car owner not fix their own car outside of the speed warranty program?

Well I guess if they wanted to fork over the money, but who would do that when the transmission is warrantied by Speed. Seems stupid.
But, I was replying to you asking why Nikal was asking if Speed sent Weddle the trans vs. the customer sending it.

 

[Justsomeguy]

Well I guess if they wanted to fork over the money, but who would do that when the transmission is warrantied by Speed. Seems stupid.
But, I was replying to you asking why Nikal was asking if Speed sent Weddle the trans vs. the customer sending it.

Furthermore, why send it it Weddle if they are, "fixing it themselves". Wouldn't you want it to go elsewhere at that point? To have "your people" fix it. If you're sending it to the same place speed does, and it's under warranty. Why would you do it yourself?

 

[RVR_RCN]

Reading through these, can't help but think of what my Dad's old racing pals used to say - "if it has t*ts or a motor, you're gonna have problems at some point"

 

[Bpracing1127]

Well I guess if they wanted to fork over the money, but who would do that when the transmission is warrantied by Speed. Seems stupid.
But, I was replying to you asking why Nikal was asking if Speed sent Weddle the trans vs. the customer sending it.

Factory warranties are starting to be up now. We are now into extended warranty for several cars and even some members

 

[outboard_256]

Some non-speed dealerships are starting to do warranty work. So you have some options, but they have to go through speed for parts so it adds an extra step and takes longer.

 

[DLC]

Reading through these, can't help but think of what my Dad's old racing pals used to say - "if it has t*ts or a motor, you're gonna have problems at some point"

I was told …

If it Flies, Fu*ks or Floats, your going to have issues…

 

[stonehenge]

Some non-speed dealerships are starting to do warranty work. So you have some options, but they have to go through speed for parts so it adds an extra step and takes longer.

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[n2otoofast4u]

He hasn’t driven his all but 20 miles. The 20 miles he did drive it. He said his rzr turbo is actually pretty good compared to the speed. What he means is the speed is good if not great with handling but it’s not night and day different. Again this is only 10-20 miles review from him

That is what I was always wondering. Ash seemed pretty savy with setup of his cars and I was interested to hear/read what his thoughts were from the out of box Speed to a well setup RZR or CanAm.

 

[RiverDave]

I've always heard good things about Coyne.. To the point where if I was ever gonna buy a car I was gonna try and get one from them? Sucks he had that experience..

RD

 

[Singleton]

I've always heard good things about Coyne.. To the point where if I was ever gonna buy a car I was gonna try and get one from them? Sucks he had that experience..

RD

I have been hearing issues with the service dept. Something changed in the service dept in the last 6-9 months IMO. Never heard issues with service prior to this season.

Just ordered new Simpson seats from Coyne and the parts guy was great. Matched online sale, seat bases and a few other items were discounted/free.