Speed- Another Irritated Customer

[rivermobster]

Easy there, some of us don't have an LS in our sand cars

It was a bit of a joke...

Awhile back, the rumor was, the Speed car was eventually gonna have an LS.

@rivrrts429 knew what I meant.

 

[Gelcoater]

As are ALL SxS's...

The power to weight ratio is totally bassackwards for the sand.

Yet, there are shit tons of em trying to pretend they are sand cars.

Sand cars actually DO have an LS in them!

They feel way to tippy for me.

Personally I wouldn’t own a V8 sand car.
They’re fun to watch and look at.

Lightweight and nimble is my flavor.
VW power, no radiators and it’s plumbing.
If you manage to get the car in a screwy situation you can get out and pick up the front of the car and point it down hill.
Ain’t doing that in a 2,100lb car.

Sure the big cars are faster, but in a legit 300 yard sand drag most would be handed their ass by a rail with a well dialed in setup.
Saw it happen many times when they became popular.

That’s when the evening drags on sand highway changed.
Rather than lining up and running it they would get a running start, jumping the launch mound that accumulated from years of standing stop drags.

Was actually the second time it changed.
Early days those drags went down just North of Gecko loop.
Back then they had some serious sand drags, many who raced sanctioned events were out there and their circles always had some impressive stuff going on.

 

[rivrrts429]

Except they didn't have one...pretty sure they left the car overnight

Preparation makes up for a lack of talent

 

[rivrrts429]

Tie-rods (on production vehicles) are designed/meant to break. It's the weak link, that helps prevent more expensive suspension components from breaking.

(Richard, I know you know this, I'm just posting it for those that don't)

100%

 

[Bpracing1127]

I did see a new polaris with a broke tie rod yesterday in a absolutely horrible spot. The down hill to Boriana mine.
Best fix would be to push it off the cliff right there and total it.
No clue what the guy was going to do. He was in a group, we stopped and didn't need to help.
Car looked less that a year old.
They all break.

That’s an easy fix on the trail!!

 

[Outdrive1]

I did see a new polaris with a broke tie rod yesterday in a absolutely horrible spot. The down hill to Boriana mine.
Best fix would be to push it off the cliff right there and total it.
No clue what the guy was going to do. He was in a group, we stopped and didn't need to help.
Car looked less that a year old.
They all break.

Drive one of the other cars to the road. Scavenge parts off it and go back and get the other car? Just a thought.

 

[rivermobster]

Preparation makes up for a lack of talent

I'm glad you said, what I was thinking!

 

[rivermobster]

They feel way to tippy for me.

Personally I wouldn’t own a V8 sand car.
They’re fun to watch and look at.

Lightweight and nimble is my flavor.
VW power, no radiators and it’s plumbing.
If you manage to get the car in a screwy situation you can get out and pick up the front of the car and point it down hill.
Ain’t doing that in a 2,100lb car.

Sure the big cars are faster, but in a legit 300 yard sand drag most would be handed their ass by a rail with a well dialed in setup.
Saw it happen many times when they became popular.

That’s when the evening drags on sand highway changed.
Rather than lining up and running it they would get a running start, jumping the launch mound that accumulated from years of standing stop drags.

Was actually the second time it changed.
Early days those drags went down just North of Gecko loop.
Back then they had some serious sand drags, many who raced sanctioned events were out there and their circles always had some impressive stuff going on.

Hey Tim...

Would you mind taking this guy for a ride? Thanks in advance.

@Melloyellovector

 

[Melloyellovector]

Hey Tim...

Would you mind taking this guy for a ride? Thanks in advance.

@Melloyellovector

Larry’s Welcome to go for ride anytime I’m there.
passenger is never as fun as driving.
Its like a 4 wheel dirt bike that can go 150 in the sand lol

 

[CLdrinker]

Robby did even better. He told him to go fuck himself.

Part of the white glove service?

 

[Singleton]

Part of the white glove service?

Part of the, I want to end up in court service.
Customer has product, product breaks and customer becomes a PIA. Those types of customers usually end up hiring lawyers when the product warranty repairs take months to fix IMO.

 

[rivermobster]

Part of the I want to end up in court service.
Customer has product, product breaks and customer becomes a PIA. Those types of customers usually end up hiring lawyers when the product warranty repairs take months to fix IMO.

There are lemon laws for this.

If something can't be fixed, after three attempts, or so many days in the shop, the manufacturer Has to buy it back AND has to pay for the court costs.

In California anyway. And that's exactly how it Should be. No one should be forced to pay for a lemon.

 

[Bpracing1127]

There are lemon laws for this.

If something can't be fixed, after three attempts, or so many days in the shop, the manufacturer Has to buy it back AND has to pay for the court costs.

In California anyway. And that's exactly how it Should be. No one should be forced to pay for a lemon.

not for offraod

 

[rivermobster]

not for offraod

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[Melloyellovector]

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Guy in my glamis group has lemon law’d refrigerator and washing machine.
Basically anything new can be forced into a buy back situation.

 

[done]

The pro Rs are really nice and turn key. What kind of cracks me up about this whole thing is there really is no noticeable performance difference on the top 3 cars. Why would you want to put up with the headache at this point unless you live or are 50% plus based in Havasu. Even then is it worth it?

I have a Pro R, Game changer......

 

[rivermobster]

Guy in my glamis group has lemon law’d refrigerator and washing machine.
Basically anything new can be forced into a buy back situation.

I know. But I didn't wanna argue with the guy.

 

[Bpracing1127]

I know. But I didn't wanna argue with the guy.

Guess I learned something

 

[Singleton]

There are lemon laws for this.

If something can't be fixed, after three attempts, or so many days in the shop, the manufacturer Has to buy it back AND has to pay for the court costs.

In California anyway. And that's exactly how it Should be. No one should be forced to pay for a lemon.

I am not talking lemon law.
Speed has a warranty, but I could see RG slow playing his repairs. He has pissed RG off enough, RG will make sure his car is last to be fixed.

 

[Universal Elements]

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[rivermobster]

I am not talking lemon law.
Speed has a warranty, but I could see RG slow playing his repairs. He has pissed RG off enough, RG will make sure his car is last to be fixed.

The longer it sits in the shop, the closer it gets to the lemon law rule.

30 days is all a manufactuer gets to make something right.

Now here is where it gets interesting...

The Lemon Law Generally applies to a vehicle Still under warranty.

It doesn't apply to aftermarket warranty repairs.

So once the car is 6 months old (in this case) your pretty much stuck with the car...

And Possibly getting pushed to the back of the line.

 

[Bpracing1127]

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Yes

 

[SHOCKtheMONKEY]

Yes

I was expecting more orange...

 

[FCT]

The dude has a Robbie Gordon tattoo on his back. That should say enough about the fag right there.

And that’s not a put down towards Robbie. Just the fact of a guy getting a tattoo of another dude.

 

[OCMerrill]

I bet that guy in the Video would complain just the same if nothing on the car was broken.
Holy hell, a RG Tattoo? He's a complete attention whore.

 

[OCMerrill]

The longer it sits in the shop, the closer it gets to the lemon law rule.

30 days is all a manufactuer gets to make something right.

Now here is where it gets interesting...

The Lemon Law Generally applies to a vehicle Still under warranty.

It doesn't apply to aftermarket warranty repairs.

So once the car is 6 months old (in this case) your pretty much stuck with the car...

And Possibly getting pushed to the back of the line.

So you can Lemon Law and off road toy?
I learned something. Is that the same for motorcycles?

 

[rivermobster]

So you can Lemon Law and off road toy?
I learned something. Is that the same for motorcycles?

Yep.

 

[NicPaus]

So you can Lemon Law and off road toy?
I learned something. Is that the same for motorcycles?

That RZR 200 I got for my Nieces and Nephews. Had a stop ride. If you signed a document stating you would not sue for lemon law. They sent a good faith check for $800 and extended the warranty. Once the recall is completed they send a $250 voucher. Only to CA buyers.

 

[Bowtiepower00]

Lemon law applying to an off-road vehicle is a California thing, and varies by state. You cannot lemon law an offroad vehicle in AZ.

Here is the AZ wording of the law, for reference:

2. “Motor vehicle” means a self-propelled vehicle designated primarily for the transportation of persons or property over the public highways.

Edit: it doesn’t look like you can in CA, either:

For the purposes of subdivision (d) of Section 1793.2 and this section, the following terms have the following meanings:

1. “Nonconformity” means a nonconformity which substantially impairs the use, value, or safety of the new motor vehicle to the buyer or lessee.
2. “New motor vehicle” means a new motor vehicle that is bought or used primarily for personal, family, or household purposes. “New motor vehicle” also means a new motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight under 10,000 pounds that is bought or used primarily for business purposes by a person, including a partnership, limited liability company, corporation, association, or any other legal entity, to which not more than five motor vehicles are registered in this state. “New motor vehicle” includes the chassis, chassis cab, and that portion of a motor home devoted to its propulsion, but does not include any portion designed, used, or maintained primarily for human habitation, a dealer-owned vehicle and a “demonstrator” or other motor vehicle sold with a manufacturer’s new car warranty but does not include a motorcycle or a motor vehicle which is not registered under the Vehicle Code because it is to be operated or used exclusively off the highways. A demonstrator is a vehicle assigned by a dealer for the purpose of demonstrating qualities and characteristics common to vehicles of the same or similar model and type.

Edit 2: Lemon Law is based on the state the vehicle was purchased in, and not state of residence, not sure how that would apply to speed cars as many are being delivered (purchased?) in AZ:

Initially, it is important to consider whether a product was purchased within the state of California. Because coverage can vary from state to state, products purchased outside of California will be ineligible for coverage under California law, but may receive coverage under another state’s lemon law.

 

[rivermobster]

Lemon law applying to an off-road vehicle is a California thing, and varies by state. You cannot lemon law an offroad vehicle in AZ.

Here is the AZ wording of the law, for reference:

2. “Motor vehicle” means a self-propelled vehicle designated primarily for the transportation of persons or property over the public highways.

Edit: it doesn’t look like you can in CA, either:

For the purposes of subdivision (d) of Section 1793.2 and this section, the following terms have the following meanings:

1. “Nonconformity” means a nonconformity which substantially impairs the use, value, or safety of the new motor vehicle to the buyer or lessee.
2. “New motor vehicle” means a new motor vehicle that is bought or used primarily for personal, family, or household purposes. “New motor vehicle” also means a new motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight under 10,000 pounds that is bought or used primarily for business purposes by a person, including a partnership, limited liability company, corporation, association, or any other legal entity, to which not more than five motor vehicles are registered in this state. “New motor vehicle” includes the chassis, chassis cab, and that portion of a motor home devoted to its propulsion, but does not include any portion designed, used, or maintained primarily for human habitation, a dealer-owned vehicle and a “demonstrator” or other motor vehicle sold with a manufacturer’s new car warranty but does not include a motorcycle or a motor vehicle which is not registered under the Vehicle Code because it is to be operated or used exclusively off the highways. A demonstrator is a vehicle assigned by a dealer for the purpose of demonstrating qualities and characteristics common to vehicles of the same or similar model and type.

Edit 2: Lemon Law is based on the state the vehicle was purchased in, and not state of residence, not sure how that would apply to speed cars as many are being delivered (purchased?) in AZ:

Initially, it is important to consider whether a product was purchased within the state of California. Because coverage can vary from state to state, products purchased outside of California will be ineligible for coverage under California law, but may receive coverage under another state’s lemon law.

Am I the only one that finds it interesting that Havasu, AZ is where Speed decided to deliver their cars?

I wonder how location delivery plays into this?

 

[RiverDave]

As far as this guy is concerned (and several others) it seems as soon as they got their cars they instantly went out and treated it like a race car and then are surprised that they are going to have to fix and maintain it like a race car?

If you are gonna get something (anything) and instantly go out and run it like that with zero break in period you are going to have problems

 

[Melloyellovector]

As far as this guy is concerned (and several others) it seems as soon as they got their cars they instantly went out and treated it like a race car and then are surprised that they are going to have to fix and maintain it like a race car?

If you are gonna get something (anything) and instantly go out and run it like that with zero break in period you are going to have problems

Im pretty confident if you weren’t RD with zero relationships you would have some serious shit to talk about these cars. Building a semi reliable car for Offroad is done by many many people everyday. Granted they are not mass produced. But Robbie bit that bullet and committed, and took deposits to make that happen.

Every Offroad toy I have ever owned was driven like a race bike, quad, car, truck day 1. Minor things like tighten nuts, add a heat shield, re route a wire, tune shocks etc. Are typical with a new build #1 car etc

Exhausts falling off, turbos falling apart, trans failures, overheating issues, starters failing, axels breaking, motors failing etc. Isn’t growing pains that’s shit parts or engineering. Robbie has been decent fixing shit. But come on, if you loaded up and went to johnson valley and break day 1 and that was your only toy for family you’d be upset, and that’s w Robbie couple miles from your house. Get it fixed, load up and go to st Anthony 10 + hours away Breaks again day 1, now your fucking pissed. Meantime your out 50k cash and or paying monthly on a toy that’s in the shop more then it’s used.
Shit you can’t even reliably drive it around havasu with out breaking, jus sayin. lol

The dude crying in video went from #1 fanboy to hater. Granted it was because he expected Robbie to suck him off for ever. But entertaining to watch
Theres many more that have had all the same problems that have remained silent, to not hurt the speed name. Or fear of what if Robby eventually says not covered.

Idk how many have had zero problems, so maybe my viewpoint is wrong. But I doubt it

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

Lol, that guy in the video is an old buddy of mine. Dave is a super animated guy and actually funny as hell to be around, he is a character for sure. That car in the video you will see around town from time to time, he also has a 2 seat speed car on order he hasn't taken delivery of yet.

When he ordered his cars that's all he talked about for 2 years, I'm sensing some buyers remorse with him. His dad had a nice extreme dual sport car a few years ago, but that's comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Bpracing1127]

As far as this guy is concerned (and several others) it seems as soon as they got their cars they instantly went out and treated it like a race car and then are surprised that they are going to have to fix and maintain it like a race car?

If you are gonna get something (anything) and instantly go out and run it like that with zero break in period you are going to have problems

So you are saying you drove yours like a race car too from day 1 and blew your motor?

90% of speed owners have had a major part failure.

Axles
Motor
Trans
Starter
Belt
Exhaust
Turbo

Like it or not speed are not reliable and they now have a reputation for not being reliable.

 

[pixrthis]

So you are saying you drove yours like a race car too from day 1 and blew your motor?

90% of speed owners have had a major part failure.

Axles
Motor
Trans
Starter
Belt
Exhaust
Turbo

Like it or not speed are not reliable and they now have a reputation for not being reliable.

It appears that people who bought them to flip are trying to protect their resale and you can’t blame them for that. If they are perceived, correctly or incorrectly, to be piles the resale market would be hurt. If I had one to flip I’d be singing its praises all over the internet.

 

[rivermobster]

It appears that people who bought them to flip are trying to protect their resale and you can’t blame them for that. If they are perceived, correctly or incorrectly, to be piles the resale market would be hurt. If I had one to flip I’d be singing its praises all over the internet.

And finally we are at the heart of the matter.

Anyone with Any common sense knows not to buy the first year release of anything.

But Some people thought, that this would be not only the exception to the rule, but that the product would actually go UP in value. So they bought multiple cars, hoping that one would pay for the other.

Sadly, The Gamble is not paying off.

 

[BHC Vic]

And finally we are at the heart of the matter.

Anyone with Any common sense knows not to buy the first year release of anything.

But Some people thought, that this would be not only the exception to the rule, but that the product would actually go UP in value. So they bought multiple cars, hoping that one would pay for the other.

Sadly, The Gamble is not paying off.

There’s still a chance. I’m not friends with Ashley so I don’t know for sure but I’m kind of measuring it by him. He lowered the price already so I don’t know if the first car will actually pay for the second car but I’m curious where he lands when it’s all said and done

 

[HotRod82]

So you are saying you drove yours like a race car too from day 1 and blew your motor?

90% of speed owners have had a major part failure.

Axles
Motor
Trans
Starter
Belt
Exhaust
Turbo

Like it or not speed are not reliable and they now have a reputation for not being reliable.

Add Robby's stellar customer service skills to that list.

 

[RiverDave]

Im pretty confident if you weren’t RD with zero relationships you would have some serious shit to talk about these cars. Building a semi reliable car for Offroad is done by many many people everyday. Granted they are not mass produced. But Robbie bit that bullet and committed, and took deposits to make that happen.

Every Offroad toy I have ever owned was driven like a race bike, quad, car, truck day 1. Minor things like tighten nuts, add a heat shield, re route a wire, tune shocks etc. Are typical with a new build #1 car etc

Exhausts falling off, turbos falling apart, trans failures, overheating issues, starters failing, axels breaking, motors failing etc. Isn’t growing pains that’s shit parts or engineering. Robbie has been decent fixing shit. But come on, if you loaded up and went to johnson valley and break day 1 and that was your only toy for family you’d be upset, and that’s w Robbie couple miles from your house. Get it fixed, load up and go to st Anthony 10 + hours away Breaks again day 1, now your fucking pissed. Meantime your out 50k cash and or paying monthly on a toy that’s in the shop more then it’s used.
Shit you can’t even reliably drive it around havasu with out breaking, jus sayin. lol

The dude crying in video went from #1 fanboy to hater. Granted it was because he expected Robbie to suck him off for ever. But entertaining to watch
Theres many more that have had all the same problems that have remained silent, to not hurt the speed name. Or fear of what if Robby eventually says not covered.

Idk how many have had zero problems, so maybe my viewpoint is wrong. But I doubt it

I didn’t experience those things though so why would I be talking shit?

Im pretty confident if you weren’t RD with zero relationships you would have some serious shit to talk about these cars. Building a semi reliable car for Offroad is done by many many people everyday. Granted they are not mass produced. But Robbie bit that bullet and committed, and took deposits to make that happen.

Every Offroad toy I have ever owned was driven like a race bike, quad, car, truck day 1. Minor things like tighten nuts, add a heat shield, re route a wire, tune shocks etc. Are typical with a new build #1 car etc

Exhausts falling off, turbos falling apart, trans failures, overheating issues, starters failing, axels breaking, motors failing etc. Isn’t growing pains that’s shit parts or engineering. Robbie has been decent fixing shit. But come on, if you loaded up and went to johnson valley and break day 1 and that was your only toy for family you’d be upset, and that’s w Robbie couple miles from your house. Get it fixed, load up and go to st Anthony 10 + hours away Breaks again day 1, now your fucking pissed. Meantime your out 50k cash and or paying monthly on a toy that’s in the shop more then it’s used.
Shit you can’t even reliably drive it around havasu with out breaking, jus sayin. lol

The dude crying in video went from #1 fanboy to hater. Granted it was because he expected Robbie to suck him off for ever. But entertaining to watch
Theres many more that have had all the same problems that have remained silent, to not hurt the speed name. Or fear of what if Robby eventually says not covered.

Idk how many have had zero problems, so maybe my viewpoint is wrong. But I doubt it

Why would I be talking shit? I didn't have my exhaust fall off, trans failure, starting issue, breaking axle, etc?


I have a condition where my car overheats with the windshield on.. (something I was told about before we even got the car) . I broke one front drive shaft (faulty manufacturing where the weld was in the incorrect spot) it was fixed in one day. They gave me a replacement turbo that we put in.

My head gasket blew from an overheating condition caused by the windshield and they warrantied it and put a new motor in the car. (which by all rights I'm not entirely sure they had to do that).

What could I be upset about? None of that was done because I'm "RD" or anything of the sort. They did the same things for me that they have done for others that weren't me or own rdp?

Look at the end of the day yes they are having a lot of teething pains, and some issues.. but overall they are working through them and working towards resolution on all fronts.

My take though is if ya try hard enough with anything Offroad you are gonna break it.. and it seems like a lot of these guys are going right out of the gate and doing just that?

RD

 

[RiverDave]

So you are saying you drove yours like a race car too from day 1 and blew your motor?

90% of speed owners have had a major part failure.

Axles
Motor
Trans
Starter
Belt
Exhaust
Turbo

Like it or not speed are not reliable and they now have a reputation for not being reliable.

First off the number isn't 90%.. That's laughable.. I'd guess it to me more like 5-8% max.

It appears that people who bought them to flip are trying to protect their resale and you can’t blame them for that. If they are perceived, correctly or incorrectly, to be piles the resale market would be hurt. If I had one to flip I’d be singing its praises all over the internet.

If you are referring to me, I don't have any cars for sale anymore.. I just have the one I'm keeping.

RD

 

[rivermobster]

There’s still a chance. I’m not friends with Ashley so I don’t know for sure but I’m kind of measuring it by him. He lowered the price already so I don’t know if the first car will actually pay for the second car but I’m curious where he lands when it’s all said and done

I've tried to work this out in my feeble mind, but can't do it. Let's try...

You bought it for 30k (but not really, your only 15k out of pocket).

You sell it for 45k (that's about all your gonna get today).

So the buyer gives you your deposit, and the balance of the 45k, and you take delivery of the car and only have to pay the remaining 15k balance and pocket the rest?

So you got to keep a difference of 15k?



P. S. I hate math!

 

[RiverDave]

And finally we are at the heart of the matter.

Anyone with Any common sense knows not to buy the first year release of anything.

But Some people thought, that this would be not only the exception to the rule, but that the product would actually go UP in value. So they bought multiple cars, hoping that one would pay for the other.

Sadly, The Gamble is not paying off.

How can you figure that, when it did in fact pay off for me and several others?

It's probably not paying off right now.. but I got news for ya. It was 90 degrees outside in Havasu yesterday as well. Offroad season is coming to a close if not closed. My car is getting ready to go for mods during the summer.


RD

 

[RiverDave]

I've tried to work this out in my feeble mind, but can't do it. Let's try...

You bought it for 30k (but not really, your only 15k out of pocket).

You sell it for 45k (that's about all your gonna get today).

So the buyer gives you your deposit, and the balance of the 45k, and you take delivery of the car and only have to pay the remaining 15k balance and pocket the rest?

So you got to keep a difference of 15k?



P. S. I hate math!

LOL No. Accessories aside it would go something like..

Put 1500 deposit down in the beginning.. Sit on early spot. Sometime awhile back you sell spot for the 1500 dollars you are into it, plus the 10-15,000.00 it went up since you purchased said spot.

Now if you add in the accessories.. Accessories have gone up roughly 25% since initial purchase so you have your initial deposit plus accessories.. You configure a new car and create a build sheet of today's cost. Now you sell for deposit plus increase, plus accessories at newer prices.

At one time I had six at one Time, and I bought and sold a few during as well. Three of them I ran the scenario above.. A couple I traded dollars. The last 2 I got out what I put in.

As I joke with the other guys that did the same, and own the cars.. Owning these things is more volatile than crypto. Especially before they were delivered as it was just theoretical money.. or paper money whatever ya want to call it.

They would announce something and everyone wanted them.. Then something would happen and nobody wanted them.. then something else would happen and everyone would want them.. and on and on..

They did that private tent at the sand show with the beers.. There was a lot of transactions that happened right outside that. They did their open house, even Carl sold one of his for like 80K.. They won the race and money's falling form the sky..

Sometimes this shit is in a matter of hours though.. When they broke that trailing arm at the demo.. When people were jump starting it with a screw driver. When and on and on..

The best timing was about 2 years ago though for jumping out of the spots.. Now that the cars are actually physical I don't think they are nearly as profitable as just the spots in line where.

RD

 

[BHC Vic]

LOL No. Accessories aside it would go something like..

Put 1500 deposit down in the beginning.. Sit on early spot. Sometime awhile back you sell spot for the 1500 dollars you are into it, plus the 10-15,000.00 it went up since you purchased said spot.

Now if you add in the accessories.. Accessories have gone up roughly 25% since initial purchase so you have your initial deposit plus accessories.. You configure a new car and create a build sheet of today's cost. Now you sell for deposit plus increase, plus accessories at newer prices.

At one time I had six at one Time, and I bought and sold a few during as well. Three of them I ran the scenario above.. A couple I traded dollars. The last 2 I got out what I put in.

As I joke with the other guys that did the same, and own the cars.. Owning these things is more volatile than crypto. Especially before they were delivered as it was just theoretical money.. or paper money whatever ya want to call it.

They would announce something and everyone wanted them.. Then something would happen and nobody wanted them.. then something else would happen and everyone would want them.. and on and on..

They did that private tent at the sand show with the beers.. There was a lot of transactions that happened right outside that. They did their open house, even Carl sold one of his for like 80K.. They won the race and money's falling form the sky..

Sometimes this shit is in a matter of hours though.. When they broke that trailing arm at the demo.. When people were jump starting it with a screw driver. When and on and on..

The best timing was about 2 years ago though for jumping out of the spots.. Now that the cars are actually physical I don't think they are nearly as profitable as just the spots in line where.

RD

I believe he’s explaining Ashley’s scenario. I think he just lowered the price to 45k. So if he paid 30k that’s 15k. Doesn’t pay for the car but I would take that all day long

 

[rivermobster]

LOL No. Accessories aside it would go something like..

Put 1500 deposit down in the beginning.. Sit on early spot. Sometime awhile back you sell spot for the 1500 dollars you are into it, plus the 10-15,000.00 it went up since you purchased said spot.

Now if you add in the accessories.. Accessories have gone up roughly 25% since initial purchase so you have your initial deposit plus accessories.. You configure a new car and create a build sheet of today's cost. Now you sell for deposit plus increase, plus accessories at newer prices.

At one time I had six at one Time, and I bought and sold a few during as well. Three of them I ran the scenario above.. A couple I traded dollars. The last 2 I got out what I put in.

As I joke with the other guys that did the same, and own the cars.. Owning these things is more volatile than crypto. Especially before they were delivered as it was just theoretical money.. or paper money whatever ya want to call it.

They would announce something and everyone wanted them.. Then something would happen and nobody wanted them.. then something else would happen and everyone would want them.. and on and on..

They did that private tent at the sand show with the beers.. There was a lot of transactions that happened right outside that. They did their open house, even Carl sold one of his for like 80K.. They won the race and money's falling form the sky..

Sometimes this shit is in a matter of hours though.. When they broke that trailing arm at the demo.. When people were jump starting it with a screw driver. When and on and on..

The best timing was about 2 years ago though for jumping out of the spots.. Now that the cars are actually physical I don't think they are nearly as profitable as just the spots in line where.

RD

Copy.

My buddy would be happy to get his 15k deposit back at this point. You still buying?

 

[rivermobster]

I believe he’s explaining Ashley’s scenario. I think he just lowered the price to 45k. So if he paid 30k that’s 15k. Doesn’t pay for the car but I would take that all day long

I wasn't singing out anyone. Just trying to understand how it works, in the real world.

If you only put out 1500.00 (no accessories, car only) and made a tidy 15k on that deal...

I'd be happy with that as well!

 

[rivermobster]

How can you figure that, when it did in fact pay off for me and several others?

It's probably not paying off right now.. but I got news for ya. It was 90 degrees outside in Havasu yesterday as well. Offroad season is coming to a close if not closed. My car is getting ready to go for mods during the summer.


RD

I've been off roading my whole life, and never Once considered off roading at the river! Lol

Upper deserts in CA are in the mid 50's today, and the mountains here still have plenty of snow.

It may be over for you. But it's definitely prime off road season Most anywhere else.

Except the Sierra's. It hasn't even started up there yet.

 

[RiverDave]

Copy.

My buddy would be happy to get his 15k deposit back at this point. You still buying?

Nobody has a 15K deposit.. He has some deposit and if he's really into it 15K than he ordered quite a bit of accessories.

RD

 

[rivermobster]

Nobody has a 15K deposit.. He has some deposit and if he's really into it 15K than he ordered quite a bit of accessories.

RD

Why yes. Yes he did. You interested?

 

[RiverDave]

Why yes. Yes he did. You interested?

Read the last part of post #93..

The best timing was about 2 years ago though for jumping out of the spots.. Now that the cars are actually physical I don't think they are nearly as profitable as just the spots in line where.


If he's interested at possibly selling at his original cost I maybe interested in a bit? I still have to finish my sign truck, put on Supercat, and buy a boat real quick.. but after that?

What's his #? Model? Accessories?

RD